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1. 06:24 AM - Re: Re: Flying in Key West (Earl & Mim Zimmerman)
2. 08:34 AM - Re: Rotax Clutch in "C" box questions (Denny Rowe)
3. 10:09 AM - Sport Pilot, Preventive Maintenance & FAR's (John Williamson)
4. 03:30 PM - Re: Rotax Clutch in (Steve Kroll)
5. 04:38 PM - Fuel Line/Pulse Line (John Hauck)
6. 06:36 PM - Re: Fuel Line/Pulse Line (ul15rhb@juno.com)
7. 07:12 PM - Re: Sport Pilot, Preventive Maintenance & FAR's (ul15rhb@juno.com)
8. 07:47 PM - Re: Sport Pilot, Preventive Maintenance & FAR's 19fc19 (ray anderson)
9. 08:57 PM - Sun-N-Fun (Richard & Martha Neilsen)
10. 08:59 PM - Re: Sport Pilot, Preventive Maintenance & FAR's (John Williamson)
11. 09:12 PM - Re: Sun-N-Fun (John Hauck)
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| Subject: | Re: Flying in Key West |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Earl & Mim Zimmerman <emzi@supernet.com>
Flycrazy8@aol.com wrote:
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> Hi Bob and Kolbers:
> My Cousin is from Key West and he went there for one reason
> -------> To Retire from Work
> A good reason to have Time to fly all day....
> Also the Weather there is almost always sunny....
> No Grass to mow because his front yard consists of rocks.
> No yard Younguns to look after or diapers to change.
> And biggest reason Wife stayed in Kentucky.
>
> Perfect situation EHh?
Yeah Right! Not in my book?? I love to mow grass. I love my kids. And I
love my wife! AND I love to fly. ~ Earl
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax Clutch in "C" box questions |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Denny Rowe" <rowedl@highstream.net>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Pongracz" <pongoflyer@myway.com>
"C" box questions
>
> Talked again to my friend in Key WstHe flies almost every day several
> hoursWhat am I doing wrong?!
Bob PFogelsville, PAFireflyFlying M (P91)
Bob,
What we're both doing wrong is trying to fly as a hobby in Penns-HOLE-vania!
At least you are wise enough to live on the side of the mountains that has
fewer overcast days. Me on the other hand :-(
Oh well enough pouting.
Denny Rowe
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| Subject: | Sport Pilot, Preventive Maintenance & FAR's |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Williamson" <kolbrapilot@comcast.net>
Hi Gang,
Just killing time waiting for parts to get here for the Kolbra and ran
across a possible problem for folks that are flying their Kolb as a Light
Sport Aircraft.
If the Kolb is registered as Experimental-Amateur Built, FAR 43.7 requires
an A&P or the manufacturer or a person with at least a Private Pilot
certificate to make the logbook entry for return to service after
maintenance has been performed on the Kolb.
A person with a Sport Pilot certificate can only make the return to service
entry for an aircraft owned or operated by that pilot and issued a special
airworthiness certificate in the light-sport category after performing
preventive maintenance under the provisions of 43.3 (g).
Just some things to think about. Here is the FAR paragraph that got my
attention.
Sec. 43.7
Persons authorized to approve aircraft, airframes, aircraft engines,
propellers, appliances, or component parts for return to service after
maintenance, preventive maintenance, rebuilding, or alteration.
(a) Except as provided in this section and Sec. 43.17, no person, other than
the Administrator, may approve an aircraft, airframe, aircraft engine,
propeller, appliance, or component part for return to service after it has
undergone maintenance, preventive maintenance, rebuilding, or alteration.
(b) The holder of a mechanic certificate or an inspection authorization may
approve an aircraft, airframe, aircraft engine, propeller, appliance, or
component part for return to service as provided in Part 65 of this chapter.
(c) The holder of a repair station certificate may approve an aircraft,
airframe, aircraft engine, propeller, appliance, or component part for
return to service as provided in Part 145 of this chapter.
(d) A manufacturer may approve for return to service any aircraft, airframe,
aircraft engine, propeller, appliance, or component part which that
manufacturer has worked on under Sec. 43.3(j). However, except for minor
alterations, the work must have been done in accordance with technical data
approved by the Administrator.
(e) The holder of an air carrier operating certificate or an operating
certificate issued under Part 121, 127, or 135, may approve an aircraft,
airframe, aircraft engine, propeller, appliance, or component part for
return to service as provided in Part 121 or 135 of this chapter, as
applicable.
(f) A person holding at least a private pilot certificate may approve an
aircraft for return to service after performing preventive maintenance under
the provisions of Sec. 43.3(g).
[(g) The holder of a repairman certificate (light-sport aircraft) with a
maintenance rating may approve an aircraft issued a special airworthiness
certificate in light-sport category for return to service, as provided in
part 65 of this chapter.
(h) The holder of at least a sport pilot certificate may approve an aircraft
owned or operated by that pilot and issued a special airworthiness
certificate in the light-sport category for return to service after
performing preventive maintenance under the provisions of 43.3 (g).]
Amdt. 43-39, Eff. 9/1/2004
John Williamson
Arlington, TX
Kolb Kolbra,
http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax Clutch in |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Steve Kroll <muso2080@yahoo.com>
Unusual performance!
High fast was your engine idling?
john h
John, all
I don't have spacifics here. I just remember the experience vividly. The speed
I normally hold in the pattern once I've backed off to idle on approach (50mph)
is the speed I tried to maintain when I was deadstick. The deck angle at
50 with the engine off at least seemed to be much steeper than what I have on
a normal approach. BTW....the engine out was a result of a tiny, almost invisible
crack in the pulse line right at the engine block. Kind of rediculous to
put your life at stake over a 50 cent chunk of hose, but I did. I change that
chunk much more frequently now as it becomes brittle sooner than any of the
fuel lines. I suspect It's because of the heat that short chunk endures being
so close to the block.
Anybody else have any first hand experience with an engine out that might add
to this discussion?
Steve Kroll
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| Subject: | Fuel Line/Pulse Line |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
might add to this discussion?
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| Steve Kroll
Steve/All:
I am assuming you are using clear, blue, yellow urethane tubing for
your pulse line and fuel lines. I did the same thing for a long, long
time. Do not ask me why I used the stuff, but I did. Probably
because everybody else was using it. Several years ago I changed over
to Gates heavy wall 1/4" ID neoprene automotive fuel line. It is
highly resistant to UV and heat. Last for years. It is reinforced
inside with braided cord. Sometimes the outter layer will crack a
little next to the hose clamp. When it does, I cut off a half inch
and stick it back on there.
Plastic fuel and pulse lines are notorious for failure. Sometimes
they will look 100%, reach over and grab the pulse line, and it will
break off at the fitting.
Anybody see any advantage in using plastic fuel line? Is there a
necessity to see the fuel inside it?
I personally consider it dangerous. Therefore, I do not use it.
If you use it, don't be afraid to reach over and give it a tug at each
fitting to insure it is still serviceable. Can't always tell by
giving it a cursory glance.
john h
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Line/Pulse Line |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "ul15rhb@juno.com" <ul15rhb@juno.com>
I use blue urethane fuel line on mine all the time. Some of it has been on for
8 years and was still flexible when I took it off. There is a type of urethane
that only lasts a few weeks to a year and it's bad news. I got a hold of that
one time (color was pink and bought from LEAF, however their blue fuel line is
what I use now). Cable ties work great for securing it.
It's a no-no to use it for the pulse line. Use thick single ply auto fuel line
and worm clamps on the fuel pump with some sleeving for protection.
Ralph
Original Firestar
18 years flying it
-- "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com> wrote:
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
might add to this discussion?
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| Steve Kroll
Steve/All:
I am assuming you are using clear, blue, yellow urethane tubing for
your pulse line and fuel lines. I did the same thing for a long, long
time. Do not ask me why I used the stuff, but I did. Probably
because everybody else was using it. Several years ago I changed over
to Gates heavy wall 1/4" ID neoprene automotive fuel line. It is
highly resistant to UV and heat. Last for years. It is reinforced
inside with braided cord. Sometimes the outter layer will crack a
little next to the hose clamp. When it does, I cut off a half inch
and stick it back on there.
Plastic fuel and pulse lines are notorious for failure. Sometimes
they will look 100%, reach over and grab the pulse line, and it will
break off at the fitting.
Anybody see any advantage in using plastic fuel line? Is there a
necessity to see the fuel inside it?
I personally consider it dangerous. Therefore, I do not use it.
If you use it, don't be afraid to reach over and give it a tug at each
fitting to insure it is still serviceable. Can't always tell by
giving it a cursory glance.
john h
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| Subject: | Re: Sport Pilot, Preventive Maintenance & FAR's |
19fc19
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "ul15rhb@juno.com" <ul15rhb@juno.com>
John and others,
My understanding of any maintenance done under ELSA (which could include all Kolbs)
would require only the 16-hour maintenance course. You can then perform any
work done on your own plane and inspect it. There is no need to have an A&P
inspect it even if you sell it. The new owner would have to take the 16-hour
course to become eligible to maintain it.
Under Experimental AB, you are the repairman (and the manufacturer as you built
over 51% of it), and can do any repairs and mods without an A&P, until you sell
it. The new owner would then need an A&P to inspect it after the repairs or
mods.
An A&P inspection (or 120-hour maintenance course) is required for SLSA (Special
LSA) which is an entirely different class than the above two categories. This
is for manufactured "ready to fly" aircraft.
Ralph
-- "John Williamson" <kolbrapilot@comcast.net> wrote:
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Williamson" <kolbrapilot@comcast.net>
Hi Gang,
Just killing time waiting for parts to get here for the Kolbra and ran
across a possible problem for folks that are flying their Kolb as a Light
Sport Aircraft.
If the Kolb is registered as Experimental-Amateur Built, FAR 43.7 requires
an A&P or the manufacturer or a person with at least a Private Pilot
certificate to make the logbook entry for return to service after
maintenance has been performed on the Kolb.
A person with a Sport Pilot certificate can only make the return to service
entry for an aircraft owned or operated by that pilot and issued a special
airworthiness certificate in the light-sport category after performing
preventive maintenance under the provisions of 43.3 (g).
Just some things to think about. Here is the FAR paragraph that got my
attention.
Sec. 43.7
Persons authorized to approve aircraft, airframes, aircraft engines,
propellers, appliances, or component parts for return to service after
maintenance, preventive maintenance, rebuilding, or alteration.
(a) Except as provided in this section and Sec. 43.17, no person, other than
the Administrator, may approve an aircraft, airframe, aircraft engine,
propeller, appliance, or component part for return to service after it has
undergone maintenance, preventive maintenance, rebuilding, or alteration.
(b) The holder of a mechanic certificate or an inspection authorization may
approve an aircraft, airframe, aircraft engine, propeller, appliance, or
component part for return to service as provided in Part 65 of this chapter.
(c) The holder of a repair station certificate may approve an aircraft,
airframe, aircraft engine, propeller, appliance, or component part for
return to service as provided in Part 145 of this chapter.
(d) A manufacturer may approve for return to service any aircraft, airframe,
aircraft engine, propeller, appliance, or component part which that
manufacturer has worked on under Sec. 43.3(j). However, except for minor
alterations, the work must have been done in accordance with technical data
approved by the Administrator.
(e) The holder of an air carrier operating certificate or an operating
certificate issued under Part 121, 127, or 135, may approve an aircraft,
airframe, aircraft engine, propeller, appliance, or component part for
return to service as provided in Part 121 or 135 of this chapter, as
applicable.
(f) A person holding at least a private pilot certificate may approve an
aircraft for return to service after performing preventive maintenance under
the provisions of Sec. 43.3(g).
[(g) The holder of a repairman certificate (light-sport aircraft) with a
maintenance rating may approve an aircraft issued a special airworthiness
certificate in light-sport category for return to service, as provided in
part 65 of this chapter.
(h) The holder of at least a sport pilot certificate may approve an aircraft
owned or operated by that pilot and issued a special airworthiness
certificate in the light-sport category for return to service after
performing preventive maintenance under the provisions of 43.3 (g).]
Amdt. 43-39, Eff. 9/1/2004
John Williamson
Arlington, TX
Kolb Kolbra,
http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot
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| Subject: | Re: Sport Pilot, Preventive Maintenance & FAR's 19fc19 |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: ray anderson <rsanoa@yahoo.com>
Ralph,
I read it the way you do. In fact, I'm going to take the 16 hr. course
as soon as one of our Universities near by, who have an extensive aeronautical
program, get it organized.
"ul15rhb@juno.com" <ul15rhb@juno.com> wrote:
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "ul15rhb@juno.com"
John and others,
My understanding of any maintenance done under ELSA (which could include all Kolbs)
would require only the 16-hour maintenance course. You can then perform any
work done on your own plane and inspect it. There is no need to have an A&P
inspect it even if you sell it. The new owner would have to take the 16-hour
course to become eligible to maintain it.
Under Experimental AB, you are the repairman (and the manufacturer as you built
over 51% of it), and can do any repairs and mods without an A&P, until you sell
it. The new owner would then need an A&P to inspect it after the repairs or
mods.
An A&P inspection (or 120-hour maintenance course) is required for SLSA (Special
LSA) which is an entirely different class than the above two categories. This
is for manufactured "ready to fly" aircraft.
Ralph
-- "John Williamson" wrote:
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Williamson"
Hi Gang,
Just killing time waiting for parts to get here for the Kolbra and ran
across a possible problem for folks that are flying their Kolb as a Light
Sport Aircraft.
If the Kolb is registered as Experimental-Amateur Built, FAR 43.7 requires
an A&P or the manufacturer or a person with at least a Private Pilot
certificate to make the logbook entry for return to service after
maintenance has been performed on the Kolb.
A person with a Sport Pilot certificate can only make the return to service
entry for an aircraft owned or operated by that pilot and issued a special
airworthiness certificate in the light-sport category after performing
preventive maintenance under the provisions of 43.3 (g).
Just some things to think about. Here is the FAR paragraph that got my
attention.
Sec. 43.7
Persons authorized to approve aircraft, airframes, aircraft engines,
propellers, appliances, or component parts for return to service after
maintenance, preventive maintenance, rebuilding, or alteration.
(a) Except as provided in this section and Sec. 43.17, no person, other than
the Administrator, may approve an aircraft, airframe, aircraft engine,
propeller, appliance, or component part for return to service after it has
undergone maintenance, preventive maintenance, rebuilding, or alteration.
(b) The holder of a mechanic certificate or an inspection authorization may
approve an aircraft, airframe, aircraft engine, propeller, appliance, or
component part for return to service as provided in Part 65 of this chapter.
(c) The holder of a repair station certificate may approve an aircraft,
airframe, aircraft engine, propeller, appliance, or component part for
return to service as provided in Part 145 of this chapter.
(d) A manufacturer may approve for return to service any aircraft, airframe,
aircraft engine, propeller, appliance, or component part which that
manufacturer has worked on under Sec. 43.3(j). However, except for minor
alterations, the work must have been done in accordance with technical data
approved by the Administrator.
(e) The holder of an air carrier operating certificate or an operating
certificate issued under Part 121, 127, or 135, may approve an aircraft,
airframe, aircraft engine, propeller, appliance, or component part for
return to service as provided in Part 121 or 135 of this chapter, as
applicable.
(f) A person holding at least a private pilot certificate may approve an
aircraft for return to service after performing preventive maintenance under
the provisions of Sec. 43.3(g).
[(g) The holder of a repairman certificate (light-sport aircraft) with a
maintenance rating may approve an aircraft issued a special airworthiness
certificate in light-sport category for return to service, as provided in
part 65 of this chapter.
(h) The holder of at least a sport pilot certificate may approve an aircraft
owned or operated by that pilot and issued a special airworthiness
certificate in the light-sport category for return to service after
performing preventive maintenance under the provisions of 43.3 (g).]
Amdt. 43-39, Eff. 9/1/2004
John Williamson
Arlington, TX
Kolb Kolbra,
http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard & Martha Neilsen" <NeilsenRM@comcast.net>
I have heard that a few of you will be going to Sun-N-Fun. I will be there
on April 12-13 then I need to head back to Michigan. Who from the Kolb
group will be attending. Has anyone planned a place and time for group
gathering? I will be driving so I can take up to three people with me if
anyone needs transportation for a restaurant gathering.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW powered MKIIIc
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| Subject: | Sport Pilot, Preventive Maintenance & FAR's |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Williamson" <kolbrapilot@comcast.net>
Ralph and Ray,
You have expanded the discussion to the area of ELSA. This is the category
for that the "Illegal Ultralights" have a chance to become legal through.
As the owner/operator of them, you can do the maintenance and inspections if
you have completed the 16 or 120 hour courses yet to be set up.
As the manufacturer of an Experimental-Amateur Built aircraft, you can do
all maintenance and after you get the repairman certificate for your
aircraft, you can do the annual inspection.
Just because the aircraft is a Kolb does not make it an ELSA. ELSA is the
temporary category that our illegal folks will have to use to get legal.
If you are not the holder of the repairman certificate for the particular
Kolb aircraft you own/operate, and it is not a factory built LSA, it
requires a private pilot or better or a mechanic rating to make the return
to service log book entry.
As the owner/operator of an Experimental-Amateur Built aircraft, you can do
all the maintenance you want to on it even if you did not build it. If you
are not the builder of the aircraft and don't have the repairman certificate
for that aircraft, then a person with the A&P rating is required to sign the
log book for major alterations and repairs and the annual condition
inspection.
John Williamson
Arlington, TX
Kolb Kolbra,
http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Who from the Kolb
| group will be attending.
Has anyone planned a place and time for group
| gathering?
| Rick Neilsen
Rick/Gang:
John W, Gary H, and I will arrive Lakeland afternoon of 11 Apr,
Monday. We will be camping with our airplanes in the UL tie down area
on the east side of Paradise City and north side of the grass air
strip. Once we land, we are limited to foot travel and volunteers to
take us to town for chow.
As far as I know, no time and place for a get together has been
decided upon. Couple years ago we gathered at the Kolb trailer, then
headed to Sonny's BBQ in Lakeland. I think I can speak for Gary and
John W too. We'll be ready to go chow down any evening.
Looking forward to seeing everyone again this year.
john h
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