---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 03/24/05: 11 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:24 AM - Re: Re: Flying in Key West (Earl & Mim Zimmerman) 2. 08:34 AM - Re: Rotax Clutch in "C" box questions (Denny Rowe) 3. 10:09 AM - Sport Pilot, Preventive Maintenance & FAR's (John Williamson) 4. 03:30 PM - Re: Rotax Clutch in (Steve Kroll) 5. 04:38 PM - Fuel Line/Pulse Line (John Hauck) 6. 06:36 PM - Re: Fuel Line/Pulse Line (ul15rhb@juno.com) 7. 07:12 PM - Re: Sport Pilot, Preventive Maintenance & FAR's (ul15rhb@juno.com) 8. 07:47 PM - Re: Sport Pilot, Preventive Maintenance & FAR's 19fc19 (ray anderson) 9. 08:57 PM - Sun-N-Fun (Richard & Martha Neilsen) 10. 08:59 PM - Re: Sport Pilot, Preventive Maintenance & FAR's (John Williamson) 11. 09:12 PM - Re: Sun-N-Fun (John Hauck) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:24:23 AM PST US From: Earl & Mim Zimmerman Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Flying in Key West --> Kolb-List message posted by: Earl & Mim Zimmerman Flycrazy8@aol.com wrote: > --> Kolb-List message posted by: Flycrazy8@aol.com > > Hi Bob and Kolbers: > My Cousin is from Key West and he went there for one reason > -------> To Retire from Work > A good reason to have Time to fly all day.... > Also the Weather there is almost always sunny.... > No Grass to mow because his front yard consists of rocks. > No yard Younguns to look after or diapers to change. > And biggest reason Wife stayed in Kentucky. > > Perfect situation EHh? Yeah Right! Not in my book?? I love to mow grass. I love my kids. And I love my wife! AND I love to fly. ~ Earl Do Not Archive -- ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 08:34:15 AM PST US From: "Denny Rowe" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Rotax Clutch in "C" box questions --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Denny Rowe" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Pongracz" "C" box questions > > Talked again to my friend in Key WstHe flies almost every day several > hoursWhat am I doing wrong?! Bob PFogelsville, PAFireflyFlying M (P91) Bob, What we're both doing wrong is trying to fly as a hobby in Penns-HOLE-vania! At least you are wise enough to live on the side of the mountains that has fewer overcast days. Me on the other hand :-( Oh well enough pouting. Denny Rowe do not archive ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 10:09:47 AM PST US From: "John Williamson" Subject: Kolb-List: Sport Pilot, Preventive Maintenance & FAR's --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Williamson" Hi Gang, Just killing time waiting for parts to get here for the Kolbra and ran across a possible problem for folks that are flying their Kolb as a Light Sport Aircraft. If the Kolb is registered as Experimental-Amateur Built, FAR 43.7 requires an A&P or the manufacturer or a person with at least a Private Pilot certificate to make the logbook entry for return to service after maintenance has been performed on the Kolb. A person with a Sport Pilot certificate can only make the return to service entry for an aircraft owned or operated by that pilot and issued a special airworthiness certificate in the light-sport category after performing preventive maintenance under the provisions of 43.3 (g). Just some things to think about. Here is the FAR paragraph that got my attention. Sec. 43.7 Persons authorized to approve aircraft, airframes, aircraft engines, propellers, appliances, or component parts for return to service after maintenance, preventive maintenance, rebuilding, or alteration. (a) Except as provided in this section and Sec. 43.17, no person, other than the Administrator, may approve an aircraft, airframe, aircraft engine, propeller, appliance, or component part for return to service after it has undergone maintenance, preventive maintenance, rebuilding, or alteration. (b) The holder of a mechanic certificate or an inspection authorization may approve an aircraft, airframe, aircraft engine, propeller, appliance, or component part for return to service as provided in Part 65 of this chapter. (c) The holder of a repair station certificate may approve an aircraft, airframe, aircraft engine, propeller, appliance, or component part for return to service as provided in Part 145 of this chapter. (d) A manufacturer may approve for return to service any aircraft, airframe, aircraft engine, propeller, appliance, or component part which that manufacturer has worked on under Sec. 43.3(j). However, except for minor alterations, the work must have been done in accordance with technical data approved by the Administrator. (e) The holder of an air carrier operating certificate or an operating certificate issued under Part 121, 127, or 135, may approve an aircraft, airframe, aircraft engine, propeller, appliance, or component part for return to service as provided in Part 121 or 135 of this chapter, as applicable. (f) A person holding at least a private pilot certificate may approve an aircraft for return to service after performing preventive maintenance under the provisions of Sec. 43.3(g). [(g) The holder of a repairman certificate (light-sport aircraft) with a maintenance rating may approve an aircraft issued a special airworthiness certificate in light-sport category for return to service, as provided in part 65 of this chapter. (h) The holder of at least a sport pilot certificate may approve an aircraft owned or operated by that pilot and issued a special airworthiness certificate in the light-sport category for return to service after performing preventive maintenance under the provisions of 43.3 (g).] Amdt. 43-39, Eff. 9/1/2004 John Williamson Arlington, TX Kolb Kolbra, http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot do not archive ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 03:30:24 PM PST US From: Steve Kroll Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Rotax Clutch in --> Kolb-List message posted by: Steve Kroll Unusual performance! High fast was your engine idling? john h John, all I don't have spacifics here. I just remember the experience vividly. The speed I normally hold in the pattern once I've backed off to idle on approach (50mph) is the speed I tried to maintain when I was deadstick. The deck angle at 50 with the engine off at least seemed to be much steeper than what I have on a normal approach. BTW....the engine out was a result of a tiny, almost invisible crack in the pulse line right at the engine block. Kind of rediculous to put your life at stake over a 50 cent chunk of hose, but I did. I change that chunk much more frequently now as it becomes brittle sooner than any of the fuel lines. I suspect It's because of the heat that short chunk endures being so close to the block. Anybody else have any first hand experience with an engine out that might add to this discussion? Steve Kroll do not archive --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 04:38:45 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Kolb-List: Fuel Line/Pulse Line --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" might add to this discussion? | | Steve Kroll Steve/All: I am assuming you are using clear, blue, yellow urethane tubing for your pulse line and fuel lines. I did the same thing for a long, long time. Do not ask me why I used the stuff, but I did. Probably because everybody else was using it. Several years ago I changed over to Gates heavy wall 1/4" ID neoprene automotive fuel line. It is highly resistant to UV and heat. Last for years. It is reinforced inside with braided cord. Sometimes the outter layer will crack a little next to the hose clamp. When it does, I cut off a half inch and stick it back on there. Plastic fuel and pulse lines are notorious for failure. Sometimes they will look 100%, reach over and grab the pulse line, and it will break off at the fitting. Anybody see any advantage in using plastic fuel line? Is there a necessity to see the fuel inside it? I personally consider it dangerous. Therefore, I do not use it. If you use it, don't be afraid to reach over and give it a tug at each fitting to insure it is still serviceable. Can't always tell by giving it a cursory glance. john h ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:36:01 PM PST US From: "ul15rhb@juno.com" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Fuel Line/Pulse Line --> Kolb-List message posted by: "ul15rhb@juno.com" I use blue urethane fuel line on mine all the time. Some of it has been on for 8 years and was still flexible when I took it off. There is a type of urethane that only lasts a few weeks to a year and it's bad news. I got a hold of that one time (color was pink and bought from LEAF, however their blue fuel line is what I use now). Cable ties work great for securing it. It's a no-no to use it for the pulse line. Use thick single ply auto fuel line and worm clamps on the fuel pump with some sleeving for protection. Ralph Original Firestar 18 years flying it -- "John Hauck" wrote: --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" might add to this discussion? | | Steve Kroll Steve/All: I am assuming you are using clear, blue, yellow urethane tubing for your pulse line and fuel lines. I did the same thing for a long, long time. Do not ask me why I used the stuff, but I did. Probably because everybody else was using it. Several years ago I changed over to Gates heavy wall 1/4" ID neoprene automotive fuel line. It is highly resistant to UV and heat. Last for years. It is reinforced inside with braided cord. Sometimes the outter layer will crack a little next to the hose clamp. When it does, I cut off a half inch and stick it back on there. Plastic fuel and pulse lines are notorious for failure. Sometimes they will look 100%, reach over and grab the pulse line, and it will break off at the fitting. Anybody see any advantage in using plastic fuel line? Is there a necessity to see the fuel inside it? I personally consider it dangerous. Therefore, I do not use it. If you use it, don't be afraid to reach over and give it a tug at each fitting to insure it is still serviceable. Can't always tell by giving it a cursory glance. john h Now includes pop-up blocker! Only $14.95/month -visit http://www.juno.com/surf to sign up today! ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:12:25 PM PST US From: "ul15rhb@juno.com" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Sport Pilot, Preventive Maintenance & FAR's 19fc19 --> Kolb-List message posted by: "ul15rhb@juno.com" John and others, My understanding of any maintenance done under ELSA (which could include all Kolbs) would require only the 16-hour maintenance course. You can then perform any work done on your own plane and inspect it. There is no need to have an A&P inspect it even if you sell it. The new owner would have to take the 16-hour course to become eligible to maintain it. Under Experimental AB, you are the repairman (and the manufacturer as you built over 51% of it), and can do any repairs and mods without an A&P, until you sell it. The new owner would then need an A&P to inspect it after the repairs or mods. An A&P inspection (or 120-hour maintenance course) is required for SLSA (Special LSA) which is an entirely different class than the above two categories. This is for manufactured "ready to fly" aircraft. Ralph -- "John Williamson" wrote: --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Williamson" Hi Gang, Just killing time waiting for parts to get here for the Kolbra and ran across a possible problem for folks that are flying their Kolb as a Light Sport Aircraft. If the Kolb is registered as Experimental-Amateur Built, FAR 43.7 requires an A&P or the manufacturer or a person with at least a Private Pilot certificate to make the logbook entry for return to service after maintenance has been performed on the Kolb. A person with a Sport Pilot certificate can only make the return to service entry for an aircraft owned or operated by that pilot and issued a special airworthiness certificate in the light-sport category after performing preventive maintenance under the provisions of 43.3 (g). Just some things to think about. Here is the FAR paragraph that got my attention. Sec. 43.7 Persons authorized to approve aircraft, airframes, aircraft engines, propellers, appliances, or component parts for return to service after maintenance, preventive maintenance, rebuilding, or alteration. (a) Except as provided in this section and Sec. 43.17, no person, other than the Administrator, may approve an aircraft, airframe, aircraft engine, propeller, appliance, or component part for return to service after it has undergone maintenance, preventive maintenance, rebuilding, or alteration. (b) The holder of a mechanic certificate or an inspection authorization may approve an aircraft, airframe, aircraft engine, propeller, appliance, or component part for return to service as provided in Part 65 of this chapter. (c) The holder of a repair station certificate may approve an aircraft, airframe, aircraft engine, propeller, appliance, or component part for return to service as provided in Part 145 of this chapter. (d) A manufacturer may approve for return to service any aircraft, airframe, aircraft engine, propeller, appliance, or component part which that manufacturer has worked on under Sec. 43.3(j). However, except for minor alterations, the work must have been done in accordance with technical data approved by the Administrator. (e) The holder of an air carrier operating certificate or an operating certificate issued under Part 121, 127, or 135, may approve an aircraft, airframe, aircraft engine, propeller, appliance, or component part for return to service as provided in Part 121 or 135 of this chapter, as applicable. (f) A person holding at least a private pilot certificate may approve an aircraft for return to service after performing preventive maintenance under the provisions of Sec. 43.3(g). [(g) The holder of a repairman certificate (light-sport aircraft) with a maintenance rating may approve an aircraft issued a special airworthiness certificate in light-sport category for return to service, as provided in part 65 of this chapter. (h) The holder of at least a sport pilot certificate may approve an aircraft owned or operated by that pilot and issued a special airworthiness certificate in the light-sport category for return to service after performing preventive maintenance under the provisions of 43.3 (g).] Amdt. 43-39, Eff. 9/1/2004 John Williamson Arlington, TX Kolb Kolbra, http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot do not archive Now includes pop-up blocker! Only $14.95/month -visit http://www.juno.com/surf to sign up today! ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:47:24 PM PST US From: ray anderson Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Sport Pilot, Preventive Maintenance & FAR's 19fc19 --> Kolb-List message posted by: ray anderson Ralph, I read it the way you do. In fact, I'm going to take the 16 hr. course as soon as one of our Universities near by, who have an extensive aeronautical program, get it organized. "ul15rhb@juno.com" wrote: --> Kolb-List message posted by: "ul15rhb@juno.com" John and others, My understanding of any maintenance done under ELSA (which could include all Kolbs) would require only the 16-hour maintenance course. You can then perform any work done on your own plane and inspect it. There is no need to have an A&P inspect it even if you sell it. The new owner would have to take the 16-hour course to become eligible to maintain it. Under Experimental AB, you are the repairman (and the manufacturer as you built over 51% of it), and can do any repairs and mods without an A&P, until you sell it. The new owner would then need an A&P to inspect it after the repairs or mods. An A&P inspection (or 120-hour maintenance course) is required for SLSA (Special LSA) which is an entirely different class than the above two categories. This is for manufactured "ready to fly" aircraft. Ralph -- "John Williamson" wrote: --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Williamson" Hi Gang, Just killing time waiting for parts to get here for the Kolbra and ran across a possible problem for folks that are flying their Kolb as a Light Sport Aircraft. If the Kolb is registered as Experimental-Amateur Built, FAR 43.7 requires an A&P or the manufacturer or a person with at least a Private Pilot certificate to make the logbook entry for return to service after maintenance has been performed on the Kolb. A person with a Sport Pilot certificate can only make the return to service entry for an aircraft owned or operated by that pilot and issued a special airworthiness certificate in the light-sport category after performing preventive maintenance under the provisions of 43.3 (g). Just some things to think about. Here is the FAR paragraph that got my attention. Sec. 43.7 Persons authorized to approve aircraft, airframes, aircraft engines, propellers, appliances, or component parts for return to service after maintenance, preventive maintenance, rebuilding, or alteration. (a) Except as provided in this section and Sec. 43.17, no person, other than the Administrator, may approve an aircraft, airframe, aircraft engine, propeller, appliance, or component part for return to service after it has undergone maintenance, preventive maintenance, rebuilding, or alteration. (b) The holder of a mechanic certificate or an inspection authorization may approve an aircraft, airframe, aircraft engine, propeller, appliance, or component part for return to service as provided in Part 65 of this chapter. (c) The holder of a repair station certificate may approve an aircraft, airframe, aircraft engine, propeller, appliance, or component part for return to service as provided in Part 145 of this chapter. (d) A manufacturer may approve for return to service any aircraft, airframe, aircraft engine, propeller, appliance, or component part which that manufacturer has worked on under Sec. 43.3(j). However, except for minor alterations, the work must have been done in accordance with technical data approved by the Administrator. (e) The holder of an air carrier operating certificate or an operating certificate issued under Part 121, 127, or 135, may approve an aircraft, airframe, aircraft engine, propeller, appliance, or component part for return to service as provided in Part 121 or 135 of this chapter, as applicable. (f) A person holding at least a private pilot certificate may approve an aircraft for return to service after performing preventive maintenance under the provisions of Sec. 43.3(g). [(g) The holder of a repairman certificate (light-sport aircraft) with a maintenance rating may approve an aircraft issued a special airworthiness certificate in light-sport category for return to service, as provided in part 65 of this chapter. (h) The holder of at least a sport pilot certificate may approve an aircraft owned or operated by that pilot and issued a special airworthiness certificate in the light-sport category for return to service after performing preventive maintenance under the provisions of 43.3 (g).] Amdt. 43-39, Eff. 9/1/2004 John Williamson Arlington, TX Kolb Kolbra, http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot do not archive Now includes pop-up blocker! Only $14.95/month -visit http://www.juno.com/surf to sign up today! --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:57:10 PM PST US From: "Richard & Martha Neilsen" Subject: Kolb-List: Sun-N-Fun --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard & Martha Neilsen" I have heard that a few of you will be going to Sun-N-Fun. I will be there on April 12-13 then I need to head back to Michigan. Who from the Kolb group will be attending. Has anyone planned a place and time for group gathering? I will be driving so I can take up to three people with me if anyone needs transportation for a restaurant gathering. Rick Neilsen Redrive VW powered MKIIIc ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:59:17 PM PST US From: "John Williamson" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Sport Pilot, Preventive Maintenance & FAR's --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Williamson" Ralph and Ray, You have expanded the discussion to the area of ELSA. This is the category for that the "Illegal Ultralights" have a chance to become legal through. As the owner/operator of them, you can do the maintenance and inspections if you have completed the 16 or 120 hour courses yet to be set up. As the manufacturer of an Experimental-Amateur Built aircraft, you can do all maintenance and after you get the repairman certificate for your aircraft, you can do the annual inspection. Just because the aircraft is a Kolb does not make it an ELSA. ELSA is the temporary category that our illegal folks will have to use to get legal. If you are not the holder of the repairman certificate for the particular Kolb aircraft you own/operate, and it is not a factory built LSA, it requires a private pilot or better or a mechanic rating to make the return to service log book entry. As the owner/operator of an Experimental-Amateur Built aircraft, you can do all the maintenance you want to on it even if you did not build it. If you are not the builder of the aircraft and don't have the repairman certificate for that aircraft, then a person with the A&P rating is required to sign the log book for major alterations and repairs and the annual condition inspection. John Williamson Arlington, TX Kolb Kolbra, http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot do not archive ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:12:40 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Sun-N-Fun --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" Who from the Kolb | group will be attending. Has anyone planned a place and time for group | gathering? | Rick Neilsen Rick/Gang: John W, Gary H, and I will arrive Lakeland afternoon of 11 Apr, Monday. We will be camping with our airplanes in the UL tie down area on the east side of Paradise City and north side of the grass air strip. Once we land, we are limited to foot travel and volunteers to take us to town for chow. As far as I know, no time and place for a get together has been decided upon. Couple years ago we gathered at the Kolb trailer, then headed to Sonny's BBQ in Lakeland. I think I can speak for Gary and John W too. We'll be ready to go chow down any evening. Looking forward to seeing everyone again this year. john h DO NOT ARCHIVE