---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 04/10/05: 24 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:49 AM - Re: q (russ kinne) 2. 05:45 AM - Tailwind-List: Wally's return (Walter Critchlow) 3. 07:51 AM - Tailwind-List: Wally's return (Walter Critchlow) 4. 08:04 AM - Tailwind-List: Wally's return (Walter Critchlow) 5. 09:59 AM - Tailwind-List: Wally's return (Walter Critchlow) 6. 01:51 PM - Tailwind-List: Wally's return (Walter Critchlow) 7. 02:57 PM - Tailwind-List: Wally's return (Walter Critchlow) 8. 02:59 PM - Tailwind-List: Wally's return (Walter Critchlow) 9. 03:27 PM - Tailwind-List: Wally's return (Walter Critchlow) 10. 03:51 PM - Tailwind-List: Wally's return (Walter Critchlow) 11. 04:22 PM - Tailwind-List: Wally's return (Walter Critchlow) 12. 04:35 PM - Tailwind-List: Wally's return (Walter Critchlow) 13. 05:02 PM - Re: Kolb List (bryan green) 14. 05:05 PM - Re: Tailwind-List: Wally's return (Jimmy) 15. 05:06 PM - Re: Tailwind-List: Wally's return (bryan green) 16. 05:07 PM - Re: Tailwind-List: Wally's return (Bob N.) 17. 05:32 PM - Wally Messages Stopped! (Matt Dralle) 18. 05:32 PM - Fw: Click (Dale Sellers) 19. 07:26 PM - Aerodynamics Background (David Paule) 20. 07:33 PM - Re: Mid Atlantic Fly- in (Richard Pike) 21. 08:07 PM - Re: Kolb List (Richard Swiderwski) 22. 08:14 PM - Re: Mid Atlantic Fly- in (Dave & Eve Pelletier) 23. 08:37 PM - Kolb list electric trim tab (Steve Garvelink) 24. 10:09 PM - Steve Gravelink (Dale Sellers) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:49:15 AM PST US From: russ kinne Subject: Re: Kolb-List: q --> Kolb-List message posted by: russ kinne Right on, big Lar! Wonder what else he doesn't know -- On Apr 10, 2005, at 1:09 AM, Edward Chmielewski wrote: > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Edward Chmielewski" > > > Hi all, > > I wuz gonna reply BC, but what the hey... > > Gogittum, Lar!! > > Ed in JXN > MkII/503 > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Larry Bourne" > To: > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: q > > >> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" >> >> I'd be very interested in your definition of "arrogant." Seems to me >> there's about 30 or so outgoing people who took up an open ended >> invitation >> to join like minded people for a very enjoyable outing. I'm very >> sorry - >> for you - if you have issues with that. By the way, it's spelled >> "clique." >> Didn't you also have issues not too long ago with a small group who >> were >> enjoying themselves with the "gaiters" thread. >> Hmmmm..............??? >> Seems like someone recently had issues with our good friend Mr. >> Hauck, as >> well.........??? Hmmmm..................??? Big >> Bad >> Ol' Lar. Do not Archive. >> >> Larry Bourne >> Palm Springs, CA >> Building Kolb Mk III >> N78LB Vamoose >> www.gogittum.com >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Dale Sellers" >> To: >> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: q >> >> >>> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dale Sellers" >>> >>> Yep Jerb, >>> >>> We'll have to shut the list down while their gone I guess. You got >>> it >>> right >>> about the click and the arrogant thingie too!Dale Sellers >>> Georgia UltraStar >>> DO NOT ARCHIVE >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "jerb" >>> To: >>> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: q >>> >>> >>>> --> Kolb-List message posted by: jerb >>>> >>>> That's funny Dale, I thought the very same thing. Guess were just >>>> not >>>> part >>>> of the click. I think you have to be arrogant to belong. >>>> jerb >>>> >>>> At 11:06 PM 4/8/05 -0400, you wrote: >>>>> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dale Sellers" >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> John & all, >>>>> >>>>> Does that mean that everyone on the list is going to Monument >>>>> Valley? >>>>> >>>>> Dale Sellers >>>>> Georgia UltraStar >>>>> DO NOT ARCHIVE >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "John Hauck" >>>>> To: >>>>> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: q >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> | Would there be any Kolbers in the Memphis area around May >>>>>> 16th? >>>>>> Or >>>>>> | New Orleans May 22-23? >>>>>> | Or Seattle April 30-May 3 or so? >>>>>> | Russ Kinne >>>>>> >>>>>> Russ/Gang: >>>>>> >>>>>> We're going to be at Monument Valley 21-23 May, then strung out up >>>>>> towards the Seattle area, then east and south to Alabama. >>>>>> >>>>>> Need to adjust your schedule. ;-) >>>>>> >>>>>> john h >>>>>> >>>>>> DO NOT ARCHIVE >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:45:10 AM PST US From: "Walter Critchlow" Subject: Kolb-List: Tailwind-List: Wally's return --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Walter Critchlow" Interested parties .. I'm back. The south will never be the same W.C. C/FRDF ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:51:28 AM PST US From: "Walter Critchlow" Subject: Kolb-List: Tailwind-List: Wally's return --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Walter Critchlow" Interested parties .. I'm back. The south will never be the same W.C. C/FRDF ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:04:05 AM PST US From: "Walter Critchlow" Subject: Kolb-List: Tailwind-List: Wally's return --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Walter Critchlow" Interested parties .. I'm back. The south will never be the same W.C. C/FRDF ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:59:41 AM PST US From: "Walter Critchlow" Subject: Kolb-List: Tailwind-List: Wally's return --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Walter Critchlow" Interested parties .. I'm back. The south will never be the same W.C. C/FRDF ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 01:51:40 PM PST US From: "Walter Critchlow" Subject: Kolb-List: Tailwind-List: Wally's return --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Walter Critchlow" Interested parties .. I'm back. The south will never be the same W.C. C/FRDF ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 02:57:19 PM PST US From: "Walter Critchlow" Subject: Kolb-List: Tailwind-List: Wally's return --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Walter Critchlow" Interested parties .. I'm back. The south will never be the same W.C. C/FRDF ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 02:59:37 PM PST US From: "Walter Critchlow" Subject: Kolb-List: Tailwind-List: Wally's return --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Walter Critchlow" Interested parties .. I'm back. The south will never be the same W.C. C/FRDF ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 03:27:29 PM PST US From: "Walter Critchlow" Subject: Kolb-List: Tailwind-List: Wally's return --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Walter Critchlow" Interested parties .. I'm back. The south will never be the same W.C. C/FRDF ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 03:51:29 PM PST US From: "Walter Critchlow" Subject: Kolb-List: Tailwind-List: Wally's return --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Walter Critchlow" Interested parties .. I'm back. The south will never be the same W.C. C/FRDF ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 04:22:43 PM PST US From: "Walter Critchlow" Subject: Kolb-List: Tailwind-List: Wally's return --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Walter Critchlow" Interested parties .. I'm back. The south will never be the same W.C. C/FRDF ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 04:35:09 PM PST US From: "Walter Critchlow" Subject: Kolb-List: Tailwind-List: Wally's return --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Walter Critchlow" Interested parties .. I'm back. The south will never be the same W.C. C/FRDF ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 05:02:22 PM PST US From: bryan green Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Kolb List --> Kolb-List message posted by: bryan green Hi Ellery the only thing I can suggest is look at adding longer gear legs, this moves the wheels forward a bit and may save you a lot of work. Bryan Green Elgin SC Firestar 447 BRS Powerfin ElleryWeld@aol.com wrote: >--> Kolb-List message posted by: ElleryWeld@aol.com > >Original Firestar Mods >I am rebuilding my Original firestar and just wanted to know if anyone has >done any modifications to where the leg sockets are, I am thinking I will move >the bottom of them forward a bit to help prevent nose overs especially on skis >in sticky snow . > > Thanks in advance > >Original Firestar in Maine > Ellery Batchelder Jr. > DO >NOT ARCHIVE > > > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 05:05:31 PM PST US From: "Jimmy" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Tailwind-List: Wally's return --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jimmy" Wally don't know where you have been, please go back. Do Not Archive ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 05:06:41 PM PST US From: bryan green Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Tailwind-List: Wally's return --> Kolb-List message posted by: bryan green Welcome back Walley let up on the coffee before ya hit dat sind button. Bryan Green Elgin SC Do not archive Walter Critchlow wrote: >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Walter Critchlow" > >Interested parties .. I'm back. >The south will never be the same > W.C. > C/FRDF > > > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 05:07:09 PM PST US From: "Bob N." Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Tailwind-List: Wally's return --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bob N." OK Ok Ok Ok Ok Ok Walter, so you're back! Geez that's NINE TIMES! Four more now! DO NOT ARCHIVE Bob N. ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 05:32:15 PM PST US Engines-List@matronics.com, Europa-List@matronics.com, Kitfox-List@matronics.com, Kolb-List@matronics.com, Pietenpol-List@matronics.com, Rocket-List@matronics.com, RV-List@matronics.com, RV9-List@matronics.com, RV10-List@matronics.com, Tailwind-List@matronics.com, Yak-List@matronics.com, Zenith-List@matronics.com From: Matt Dralle Subject: Kolb-List: Wally Messages Stopped! --> Kolb-List message posted by: Matt Dralle Dear Listers, My sincere apologies! At about 4:30am this morning there was an odd system problem on the Matornics email server, causing many mail files to become marked as "read-only". This wedged many of the List filters causing all sorts of weird behavior. Perhaps the oddest was that an innocent message from Walter Critchlow, kept getting posted instead of the actual incoming List message. If you receive this message, and sent a list message to any of the lists shown below between the hours of 4:30am and 5:15pm PDT on Sunday Apr 10th, your message was one of the ones that got subverted. Please repost your message to the respective list. AeroElectric-list Commandaer-list Engines-List Europa-List Kitfox-List Kolb-List Pietenpol-List Rocket-List RV-List RV9-List RV10-List Tailwind-List Yak-List Zenith-List Again, my sincere apologies for the problems. I was doing my Taxes (!) today and wasn't keeping as close an eye on the Lists as I normally do. Best regards, Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Admin Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 05:32:16 PM PST US From: "Dale Sellers" Subject: Kolb-List: Fw: Click --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dale Sellers" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dale Sellers" Subject: Click > Let me make sure I got it right. I deleted that message before I took > time to study it good. Was it C-L-I-Q-U-E? Correct me if I'm wrong now. > > Dale Sellers > Georgia UltraStar > do not archive ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 07:26:16 PM PST US From: "David Paule" Subject: Kolb-List: Aerodynamics Background --> Kolb-List message posted by: "David Paule" A sound general introduction to all sorts of aerodynamic knowledge: http://www.aerodyn.org, according to Peter Garrison. Dave Paule (I've just skimmed part of it....) ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 07:33:16 PM PST US From: Richard Pike Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Mid Atlantic Fly- in --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike Nope. Those guys are hard core, I'm just a fair weather flyer. Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) At 07:39 PM 4/9/2005 -0400, you wrote: >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dale Sellers" > >Thanks, >Too far for me. Even if I'm flapping as hard as I can. You in the monument >valley click? > >Dale Sellers >do not archive >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Richard Pike" >To: >Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Mid Atlantic Fly- in > > > > --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike > > > > Lumberton, NC > > http://www.celebrationofflightnc.com/ > > > > Richard Pike > > MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) > > ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 08:07:05 PM PST US From: "Richard Swiderwski" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Kolb List --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard Swiderwski" Ellery, An alternative to relocating your gearleg sockets would be to go with a chromoly steel, .060-.090" (I am just guestamating on this, I believe the archives have wall thickness on steel legs that have been used in the past. John H. made some for his old FS. He has the Rockwell hardness number also.) wall thickness & put a gradual forward bend into them & make them as long as possible. Between the extra length & the forward bend, you should easily get the distance you need. After you have them bent & the axle welded on, all the holes drilled, get them heat treated & you will be on your way! I moved my old UltraStar's gear forward & was happy I did, as I used the brakes on some very short dead-end strips & never could have done that before. ...Richard Swiderski -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of ElleryWeld@aol.com Subject: Kolb-List: Kolb List --> Kolb-List message posted by: ElleryWeld@aol.com Original Firestar Mods I am rebuilding my Original firestar and just wanted to know if anyone has done any modifications to where the leg sockets are, I am thinking I will move the bottom of them forward a bit to help prevent nose overs especially on skis in sticky snow . Has anyone got any ideas or info as to what I would need to do to accomplish this? Welding is not a problem so I just need to know what to do about the wing strut mounting point should I move that also and make modifications to my wing strut length and or is this safe enough to move wing strut point forward with gear Leg sockets. if anyone has done this and has Pictures I would like to have a peek if you dont mind. Thanks in advance Original Firestar in Maine Ellery Batchelder Jr. DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 08:14:21 PM PST US From: "Dave & Eve Pelletier" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Mid Atlantic Fly- in --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dave & Eve Pelletier" Guys, Y'know, I usually don't bother responding to the insulting, name calling messages but this "clique" stuff really irritates me. Like Lar said, MV started by individuals on the list who mostly had never met one another deciding to meet one another at Monument Valley. We went and had such a great time that we decided to make it an unofficial annual event. This is the third time. Some people there were "lurkers," others were frequent commenters and others were once-in-a-while commenters. No one had axes to grind and we didn't spend our time talking about folks on the list or even talking about the list. It may surprise you, but mostly we talked about Kolbs, Monument Valley and other airplane related stuff. Everyone had a great time. Now if you check the dictionary, a "clique" is a small group of people who exclude others. Now I don't know of anyone who wanted to go to Monument Valley who was excluded. As a matter of fact, there were even non-Kolb owners there and one guy (at least) who didn't have an airplane yet. We invited anyone and everyone, and there were really no "invitations" made because nobody was "in charge" to make them. Whoever wanted to come came and that's still the way it is. In fact, there is a (gulp) Challenger owner who is talking about coming up this year. So if it makes you guys feel big and strong by insulting those who go to MV, then go ahead. But if you do, I think you'd better do the same for all the events, the Sun & Fun clique, the Homer's fly in clique, etc. And if you want to take issue with this, my phone number is below. (Oh, and some or us trailered our planes up there, me included, so we're probably considered fair weather flyers, and that's jess fine with me 'cuz thats what I am.) AzDave 928 771-2295 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Pike" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Mid Atlantic Fly- in > --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike > > Nope. Those guys are hard core, I'm just a fair weather flyer. > > Richard Pike > MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) > > At 07:39 PM 4/9/2005 -0400, you wrote: > >>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dale Sellers" >> >>Thanks, >>Too far for me. Even if I'm flapping as hard as I can. You in the >>monument >>valley click? >> >>Dale Sellers >>do not archive >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Richard Pike" >>To: >>Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Mid Atlantic Fly- in >> >> >> > --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike >> > >> > Lumberton, NC >> > http://www.celebrationofflightnc.com/ >> > >> > Richard Pike >> > MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) >> > > > > ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 08:37:39 PM PST US From: "Steve Garvelink" Subject: Kolb-List: Kolb list electric trim tab --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Steve Garvelink" This is a link to a clever electric trim system that appears very easy to do Thought you guys would be interested in this arrangement. SRGLINK http://www.n566aj.com/max/frugal.htm ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 10:09:03 PM PST US From: "Dale Sellers" Subject: Kolb-List: Steve Gravelink --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dale Sellers" Steve. I enjoyed our phone conversation this evening. If there is anything I can do to help with your Ultra Star project, don't hesitate to ask. What kind of damage do you have to your cage? Dale Sellers Georgia UltraStar do not archive