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1. 06:58 PM - Breaker breaker, anyone got their ears on...? (Matt Dralle)
2. 07:05 PM - Re: Breaker breaker, anyone got their ears on...? (bryan green)
3. 07:25 PM - Re: Breaker breaker, anyone got their ears on...? (David Carr)
4. 07:49 PM - firefly Prop (Herb Gayheart)
5. 08:06 PM - Re: Breaker breaker, anyone got their ears on...? (George T. Alexander, Jr.)
6. 08:28 PM - Re: Breaker breaker, anyone got their ears on...? (Flycrazy8@aol.com)
7. 08:29 PM - Re: Lar's "test" (dixieshack@webtv.net (Mike and Dixie Shackelford))
8. 08:49 PM - Re: firefly Prop (Richard Pike)
9. 09:05 PM - Re: firefly Prop (WhiskeyVictor36@aol.com)
10. 09:05 PM - Re: firefly Prop (Herb Gayheart)
11. 09:16 PM - Re: Breaker breaker, anyone got their ears on...? (ElleryWeld@aol.com)
12. 09:16 PM - Re: test (Richard Pike)
13. 09:46 PM - Re: firefly Prop (Herb Gayheart)
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| Subject: | Breaker breaker, anyone got their ears on...? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
Kolbers,
Anyone got their ears on? There hasn't been a single Kolb-List post today
and I'm getting a little worried that the system is broken. Kolbers can't
go a whole day without saying *something*!
Is everyone just out flying. Or maybe everyone is at SnF??
Matt Dralle
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
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| Subject: | Re: Breaker breaker, anyone got their ears on...? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: bryan green <lgreen1@sc.rr.com>
Hi Matt I think that most of them are at s&f and I just got back home
from running around all day.
Bryan Green
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Matt Dralle wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
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>Kolbers,
>
>Anyone got their ears on? There hasn't been a single Kolb-List post today
>and I'm getting a little worried that the system is broken. Kolbers can't
>go a whole day without saying *something*!
>
>Is everyone just out flying. Or maybe everyone is at SnF??
>
>Matt Dralle
>
>
>Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
>925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
>http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
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>do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Breaker breaker, anyone got their ears on...? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: David Carr <DECarr@direcway.com>
Many are at Sun and Fun and the rest must be flying or elsewise busy. The
list seems fine but strangeley quiet
DEC
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Subject: Kolb-List: Breaker breaker, anyone got their ears on...?
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
Kolbers,
Anyone got their ears on? There hasn't been a single Kolb-List post today
and I'm getting a little worried that the system is broken. Kolbers can't
go a whole day without saying *something*!
Is everyone just out flying. Or maybe everyone is at SnF??
Matt Dralle
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Herb Gayheart <herbgh@juno.com>
Firefly Guys
I am trying to get a 60 inch three blade IVO prop to work on my
firefly with a 447. 2.58 to 1 gear box and 165 main jet. Pitch of prop
is neutral.
The problem is that I cannot get rpms obove 4k. It bogs down and goes
into 4 cycle mode. Plugs are wet and black. I dropped the needle all
the way down and the rpms come up to 5500 or so.
Is this an over size main jet problem. Kolb and IVO say that the 3
blade 60 inch prop should work. Herb in Ky
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| Subject: | Breaker breaker, anyone got their ears on...? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "George T. Alexander, Jr." <gtalexander@att.net>
Matt et al:
I can attest to the presence of about 8-10 listers at SnF today. Not all
are frequent posters, but a couple of them are.
Modest turnout overall today for SnF. The weather forecast is good for Sat
& Sun. If people don't show then, it won't be because of the weather. It
will be other reason$.
George Alexander
http://gtalexander.home.att.net
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[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Matt Dralle
Subject: Kolb-List: Breaker breaker, anyone got their ears on...?
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
Kolbers,
Anyone got their ears on? There hasn't been a single Kolb-List post today
and I'm getting a little worried that the system is broken. Kolbers can't
go a whole day without saying *something*!
Is everyone just out flying. Or maybe everyone is at SnF??
Matt Dralle
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
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| Subject: | Re: Breaker breaker, anyone got their ears on...? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Flycrazy8@aol.com
Hello from Sun-N -Fun.........
Yep.....everyone is Here
Bama Firefly
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| Subject: | Re: Lar's "test" |
message of Thu, 14 Apr 2005 23:56:25 -0700
--> Kolb-List message posted by: dixieshack@webtv.net (Mike and Dixie Shackelford)
Hey, Lar....some of us hillbillies didn't go to SnF. One in
particular chose to stay home and finish his log shanty. Been ten-plus
years now...remember the exposed wiring over that bed you slept in? It
ain't exposed no more! Got a ceiling fan/light hangin' on th' end of
it. I'm gettin' there. Maybe one of these days.......
Hillbilly Mike and th' boss, Dixie
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| Subject: | Re: firefly Prop |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org>
Yes, a three blade 60" ought to work fine. So...
Too much oil in the air filter?
Does it have point ignition? Timing is correct?
The jet needle clip is against the metal carb slide and the white nylon
gizmo that the spring pushes against is on top of the needle clip? If you
have the needle in so that the clip is above the white nylon gizmo, then it
will be way rich.
Floats are set right? When you pull the float bowl off, the little pin that
comes out of the side of the floats is about even with the gas? Sometimes
floats go bad and sink, makes everything really rich.
No grass seeds or stems holding the float needle off the seat? All the
various jets are snug & tight against the castings? If you have a jet back
itself out and get loose, the engine will go super rich. (Guess how I know
this? Got the whole neighborhood really excited... lots of grass stains and
cow poop on the airplane... weeds jammed between the aileron counter
balances and the tips... at least a MKIII will fly back out of any place
you can fly it into... with weeds hanging from between the gear legs and
wheel pants, & wrapped around the lower stab wires... which got the
neighbors even more excited... you really do want to avoid such things if
at all possible... sigh...)
Is your choke cable too short? All the choke (actually an enrichner jet)
really is, is an auxiliary jet circuit that makes the mixture a lot richer
when you actuate it, and if the cable is a hair short, then the plunger
stays lifted off the seat a bit, and the enrichner circuit stays open,
making everything really rich.
Is your premix gas old?
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
At 09:47 PM 4/15/2005 -0500, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: Herb Gayheart <herbgh@juno.com>
>
>
>Firefly Guys
>
> I am trying to get a 60 inch three blade IVO prop to work on my
>firefly with a 447. 2.58 to 1 gear box and 165 main jet. Pitch of prop
>is neutral.
>
> The problem is that I cannot get rpms obove 4k. It bogs down and goes
>into 4 cycle mode. Plugs are wet and black. I dropped the needle all
>the way down and the rpms come up to 5500 or so.
>
> Is this an over size main jet problem. Kolb and IVO say that the 3
>blade 60 inch prop should work. Herb in Ky
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: firefly Prop |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: WhiskeyVictor36@aol.com
In a message dated 4/15/2005 10:50:08 PM Eastern Standard Time,
herbgh@juno.com writes:
I am trying to get a 60 inch three blade IVO prop to work on my
firefly with a 447. 2.58 to 1 gear box and 165 main jet. Pitch of prop
is neutral.
The problem is that I cannot get rpms obove 4k. It bogs down and goes
into 4 cycle mode. Plugs are wet and black. I dropped the needle all
the way down and the rpms come up to 5500 or so.
Herb,
I am no expert by any means. But I have read in the CPS catalog about
engines not being able to reach top rpm. He said that the prop, and only the prop,
controls the rpm. That comment is made, I believe, to mean that the engine
did previously reach top rpm, and the drop in rpm is due to either a different
prop, or perhaps engine wear. In the case of engine wear, the rpm drop would
be minimal.
So, did your engine operate at top rpm before mounting the IVO 3 blade? If
so, then I would venture to say the prop needs to have the pitch changed (to
the negative?).
If you did not operate the engine before installing this prop, then I would
check the carb to make sure it has all the specified jets and that the "return
spring, slide and plastic piece" is assembled properly. If the plastic piece
is not installed correctly, the carb will be over rich and might cause the
problem you are explaining.
When I built my Kolb, it came with a 66X32 wood prop, but my 377 engine was
supposed to have a 66X28 prop. It would only turn about 6000 rpm. I tried
changing jets, needle positions to no avail. Finally I read about the prop
controlling the rpm and then purchased a used 66X30, a compromise to be sure, but
my rpm increased to 6200. These are static rpm's.
Hope you get it dialed in for flying soon.
Bill Varnes
Original Kolb FireStar
Audubon NJ
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| Subject: | Re: firefly Prop |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Herb Gayheart <herbgh@juno.com>
Richard
I have flown three hours + with the needle in wrong. New engine.
Two blade prop 62 inch prop that was not performing well either. I had
it out at least twice today and did not realize that it was wrong!!
Thanks a bunch! Herb
On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 23:48:18 -0400 Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org>
writes:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org>
>
> Yes, a three blade 60" ought to work fine. So...
>
> Too much oil in the air filter?
>
> Does it have point ignition? Timing is correct?
>
> The jet needle clip is against the metal carb slide and the white
> nylon
> gizmo that the spring pushes against is on top of the needle clip?
> If you
> have the needle in so that the clip is above the white nylon gizmo,
> then it
> will be way rich.
>
> Floats are set right? When you pull the float bowl off, the little
> pin that
> comes out of the side of the floats is about even with the gas?
> Sometimes
> floats go bad and sink, makes everything really rich.
>
> No grass seeds or stems holding the float needle off the seat? All
> the
> various jets are snug & tight against the castings? If you have a
> jet back
> itself out and get loose, the engine will go super rich. (Guess how
> I know
> this? Got the whole neighborhood really excited... lots of grass
> stains and
> cow poop on the airplane... weeds jammed between the aileron counter
>
> balances and the tips... at least a MKIII will fly back out of any
> place
> you can fly it into... with weeds hanging from between the gear legs
> and
> wheel pants, & wrapped around the lower stab wires... which got the
>
> neighbors even more excited... you really do want to avoid such
> things if
> at all possible... sigh...)
>
> Is your choke cable too short? All the choke (actually an enrichner
> jet)
> really is, is an auxiliary jet circuit that makes the mixture a lot
> richer
> when you actuate it, and if the cable is a hair short, then the
> plunger
> stays lifted off the seat a bit, and the enrichner circuit stays
> open,
> making everything really rich.
>
> Is your premix gas old?
>
> Richard Pike
> MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
>
>
> At 09:47 PM 4/15/2005 -0500, you wrote:
>
> >--> Kolb-List message posted by: Herb Gayheart <herbgh@juno.com>
>
> >
> >Firefly Guys
> >
> > I am trying to get a 60 inch three blade IVO prop to work on
> my
> >firefly with a 447. 2.58 to 1 gear box and 165 main jet. Pitch
> of prop
> >is neutral.
> >
> > The problem is that I cannot get rpms obove 4k. It bogs down
> and goes
> >into 4 cycle mode. Plugs are wet and black. I dropped the needle
> all
> >the way down and the rpms come up to 5500 or so.
> >
> > Is this an over size main jet problem. Kolb and IVO say that
> the 3
> >blade 60 inch prop should work. Herb in Ky
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Breaker breaker, anyone got their ears on...? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: ElleryWeld@aol.com
I think everyone is at sun & fun where I would like to be myself but work
keeps me from it and I am rebuilding and modifying my ole firestar any way its
going to be a pretty sharp one when she's done this time even with float
fittings and a set for her so I can take ea fishin
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Rebuilding my Escape from this Planet, Ellery
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org>
All is well. Flew the MKIII yesterday, clear and beautiful, visibility 50+
Flew the Firestar II today, playing with the trim, still trying to get it
just right.
Flying to a local fly out tomorrow, hamburgers at noon.
You need to get your airplane finished, dude.
Remember the song by the Smothers Brothers?
Suitably modified for Lar & the Kolb list -
"I see by his MKIII that he is out flying,
I see by my MKIII that I'm flying too.
I see by our MKIII's that we are all flying,
If Vamoose was finished you could be flying too..." <grin>
Get back to work!
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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At 08:10 PM 4/14/2005 -0700, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
>
>Hey, y'all ARE coming, eh ?? Great News ! ! ! I'm looking forward to
>meeting you. I've had some problems with the List lately, and thought
>it had happened again. I didn't realize *everyone* was going to
>SnF.........been lonesome out here. :-) Lar.
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>
>Larry Bourne
>Palm Springs, CA
>Building Kolb Mk III
>N78LB Vamoose
>www.gogittum.com
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| Subject: | Re: firefly Prop |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Herb Gayheart <herbgh@juno.com>
Bill
As you likely know by now--Richard beat you to it. I must have
installed the needle/clip/plastic insert wrong when I hooked up the
throttle cable for the first time??
Not sure about dialing negative pitch into an IVO but I did that also
today. It helped a bit. Sounds like I will be in the patch tomorrow
when I get the needle/clip/plastic insert in the proper relationship. I
flew with a 62 inch two blade IVO for all 3+ hours that I have on the
engine /plane. It flew ok but obviously rich.
The only reason for going to the three blade is that I and everyone
else keeps bumping into the blades with the plane stored in one side of
my garage. Now I have to worry about punching a blade through the
fabric! Herb
On Sat, 16 Apr 2005 00:04:01 EDT WhiskeyVictor36@aol.com writes:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: WhiskeyVictor36@aol.com
>
> In a message dated 4/15/2005 10:50:08 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> herbgh@juno.com writes:
> I am trying to get a 60 inch three blade IVO prop to work on my
> firefly with a 447. 2.58 to 1 gear box and 165 main jet. Pitch of
> prop
> is neutral.
>
> The problem is that I cannot get rpms obove 4k. It bogs down and
> goes
> into 4 cycle mode. Plugs are wet and black. I dropped the needle
> all
> the way down and the rpms come up to 5500 or so.
>
>
> Herb,
>
> I am no expert by any means. But I have read in the CPS catalog
> about
> engines not being able to reach top rpm. He said that the prop, and
> only the prop,
> controls the rpm. That comment is made, I believe, to mean that the
> engine
> did previously reach top rpm, and the drop in rpm is due to either a
> different
> prop, or perhaps engine wear. In the case of engine wear, the rpm
> drop would
> be minimal.
>
> So, did your engine operate at top rpm before mounting the IVO 3
> blade? If
> so, then I would venture to say the prop needs to have the pitch
> changed (to
> the negative?).
>
> If you did not operate the engine before installing this prop, then
> I would
> check the carb to make sure it has all the specified jets and that
> the "return
> spring, slide and plastic piece" is assembled properly. If the
> plastic piece
> is not installed correctly, the carb will be over rich and might
> cause the
> problem you are explaining.
>
> When I built my Kolb, it came with a 66X32 wood prop, but my 377
> engine was
> supposed to have a 66X28 prop. It would only turn about 6000 rpm.
> I tried
> changing jets, needle positions to no avail. Finally I read about
> the prop
> controlling the rpm and then purchased a used 66X30, a compromise to
> be sure, but
> my rpm increased to 6200. These are static rpm's.
>
> Hope you get it dialed in for flying soon.
>
> Bill Varnes
> Original Kolb FireStar
> Audubon NJ
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>
>
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>
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