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1. 12:00 AM - Re: Sun (Dale Sellers)
2. 03:24 AM - mikuni carbs (Ted Cowan)
3. 02:13 PM - Re: mikuni carbs (Denny Rowe)
4. 02:55 PM - Re: firefly Tires (Beauford)
5. 03:18 PM - Re: firefly Tires (Richard Pike)
6. 04:54 PM - Re: firefly Tires (Flycrazy8@aol.com)
7. 05:54 PM - Pitot location (Richard Pike)
8. 06:42 PM - Re: Pitot location (Jack & Louise Hart)
9. 07:01 PM - Re: Pitot location (Earl & Mim Zimmerman)
10. 07:01 PM - Re: Pitot location (robert bean)
11. 07:15 PM - Re: Pitot location (George T. Alexander, Jr.)
12. 07:24 PM - Re: Sun (Beauford)
13. 07:49 PM - Re: Pitot location (Larry Cottrell)
14. 07:52 PM - SWRFI (alananpat)
15. 08:04 PM - Re: SWRFI (John Williamson)
16. 08:35 PM - Re: Pitot location (Richard Pike)
17. 08:43 PM - John Williamson's webpage (WillUribe@aol.com)
18. 08:49 PM - Re: John Williamson's webpage (John Williamson)
19. 09:01 PM - Re: John Williamson's webpage (Richard Pike)
20. 09:37 PM - Re: firefly Tires (DAquaNut@aol.com)
21. 09:48 PM - Re: Sun (DAquaNut@aol.com)
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dale Sellers" <dsel1@bellsouth.net>
Ed,
I've been to S&F several times. I live about five hours from there. I went
last year for two days because I was staying in Tampa taking cancer
treatments, but since I've had to retire and am on a fixed income I doubt I
will go back. It's gotten too rich for my blood too.
Dale Sellers
Georgia UltraStar
----- Original Message -----
From: <DAquaNut@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Sun
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: DAquaNut@aol.com
>
> In a message dated 4/18/2005 7:41:58 A.M. Central Standard Time,
> Airgriff2@aol.com writes:
>
> Bob Writes,
>
>
> has dropped "EAA" from it's logo because they want people to realize that
>>> the show is owned and operated by "Sun & Fun Inc.", not the EAA.
>
> Fly Safe
> Bob Griffin
>
>
> Bob,
>
> If there was a way to get every one who is not rich enough to go
> both
> to Oshkosh AND Sun N Fun each year to unite and just go to Oshkosh
> next
> year I bet that would get their attention. I guess its like the sports
> teams
> . They will keep raising ticket prices as long as enough people will pay
> the
> price. Whew guess Ive said too much already, but I dont have all the
> money
> in the world. Hope everyone who was able to go, got there moneys worth.
>
> Ed ( in Houston)
>
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Ted Cowan <trc1917@direcway.com>
was clearing my closet when I found a brand new pair of mikuni carbs. I
think they were jetted for the Zenoa single banger but jets are jets. These
are out of the box brand new but I will give some needy person a good deal.
Ted Cowan, Alabama.
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| Subject: | Re: mikuni carbs |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Denny Rowe" <rowedl@highstream.net>
Whats the size? 32 mm?
How much?
Denny
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ted Cowan" <trc1917@direcway.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: mikuni carbs
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Ted Cowan <trc1917@direcway.com>
>
> was clearing my closet when I found a brand new pair of mikuni carbs. I
> think they were jetted for the Zenoa single banger but jets are jets.
> These
> are out of the box brand new but I will give some needy person a good
> deal.
> Ted Cowan, Alabama.
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: firefly Tires |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Beauford" <beauford@tampabay.rr.com>
Brother Stephen,
I had the same problem with the smaller wheels... The field I use is often
damp and prone to rutting; as I recall, I managed to get the Fly up on the
nose at least three times in attempts to taxi across just moderate ruts and
holes. Highly entertaining to onlookers, but somewhat unsettling when one is
trying to look cool while moving around the airport... Having an expectant
crowd assemble whenever one starts one's airplane is not a confidence
builder.
About 2 years ago I changed to the six-inch Azuza nylon wheels (Spruce part
#06-02700) with the 4.10 x 3.50 x 6 narrow profile tires... (Spruce part
#06-03000). There are only a few ounces difference per wheel from the wider
five inch Azuzas and tires I removed (I weighed them), but the difference in
the way the airplane rolls on rough ground is remarkable... a vast
improvement.
I am aware of the bad press the Chinee bearings and nylon Azuzas have
received over past years on this list, but I have had no problems operating
with mine off grass (except for one pinched tube before I installed liners)
in the 50 or so hours they have been installed... I noticed, however, that
they are not too perfectly round or balanced and they announce that fact to
you when flying off a paved surface. It isn't really bad, but it is
noticable. Knowing Azuzalite's questionable reputation in some quarters, I
watch 'em, spin 'em and shake 'em regularly looking for excessive bearing
slop or noise... So far, so good.... and they are light.
Not sure how the wheel pants would work out with them.
Hope this helps some...
Beauford
FF#076
Brandon, FL
----- Original Message -----
From: <Flycrazy8@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: firefly Tires
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Flycrazy8@aol.com
>
> Hi You' all Kolbers,
> I was wanting to get some bigger tires for my Firefly than the small
> Azura
> tires that is presently on it...... Does anyone have any experience with
> what
> works best ??... I have heel brakes on the Firefly I have and would also
> like
> to put some wheel pants on tooo..... Thanking you in advance for your
> help.....
>
> Stephen
> Bama Firefly
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: firefly Tires |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org>
I got some wheel pants to sell, contact me off list.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
At 11:09 PM 4/18/2005 -0400, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: Flycrazy8@aol.com
>
>Hi You' all Kolbers,
>I was wanting to get some bigger tires for my Firefly than the small Azura
>tires that is presently on it...... Does anyone have any experience with
>what
>works best ??... I have heel brakes on the Firefly I have and would also
>like
>to put some wheel pants on tooo..... Thanking you in advance for your
>help.....
>
>Stephen
>Bama Firefly
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: firefly Tires |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Flycrazy8@aol.com
Thanks for the info.....Guy.....Did you use the same rims for the bigger
tires ?
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org>
Need some insight into what is the problem with the pitot/static air
location on the FSII. The owner wanted the pitot and static air to come out
the top of the nosebowl and point forward, and that seemed like a good
idea, other aircraft are done that way. (Vesta for one)
Here is where they are now - top picture on the page
http://www.bcchapel.org/pages/0003/Latch.html
Anyway, it has turned into a soup sandwich trying to get the airspeeds to
be accurate, this position is not working. Owner has decided he now wants
them out the bottom and pointing forward like I have on my MKIII, and since
that works, it ought to be ok, but does anyone have any insight into why
the current position above the nose is so non functional? (I don't mind
fixing it, but I would like to understand why it won't work)
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Pitot location |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Jack & Louise Hart <jbhart@ldd.net>
At 08:52 PM 4/19/05 -0400, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org>
>
>Need some insight into what is the problem with the pitot/static air
>location on the FSII. The owner wanted the pitot and static air to come out
>the top of the nosebowl and point forward, and that seemed like a good
>idea, other aircraft are done that way. (Vesta for one)
>Here is where they are now - top picture on the page
>http://www.bcchapel.org/pages/0003/Latch.html
>
>Anyway, it has turned into a soup sandwich trying to get the airspeeds to
>be accurate, this position is not working. Owner has decided he now wants
>them out the bottom and pointing forward like I have on my MKIII, and since
>that works, it ought to be ok, but does anyone have any insight into why
>the current position above the nose is so non functional? (I don't mind
>fixing it, but I would like to understand why it won't work)
>
>Richard Pike
>MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
>
>do not archive
>
Richard,
Which direction is the error?
Jack B. Hart FF004
Jackson, MO
Jack & Louise Hart
jbhart@ldd.net
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| Subject: | Re: Pitot location |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Earl & Mim Zimmerman <emzi@supernet.com>
Richard Pike wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org>
>
> Need some insight into what is the problem with the pitot/static air
> location on the FSII. The owner wanted the pitot and static air to come out
> the top of the nosebowl and point forward, and that seemed like a good
> idea, other aircraft are done that way. (Vesta for one)
> Here is where they are now - top picture on the page
> http://www.bcchapel.org/pages/0003/Latch.html
>
> Anyway, it has turned into a soup sandwich trying to get the airspeeds to
> be accurate, this position is not working. Owner has decided he now wants
> them out the bottom and pointing forward like I have on my MKIII, and since
> that works, it ought to be ok, but does anyone have any insight into why
> the current position above the nose is so non functional? (I don't mind
> fixing it, but I would like to understand why it won't work)
>
> Richard Pike
> MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
>
> do not archive
Richard,
Just a wild guess here, but maybe there is an area of pressure (not
static) on the top side (because of the AOA) of the nose cone that isn't
there on the bottom. A quick was to check this would be to disconnect
the static line at the air speed indicator. We have been flying our
Kolbs for years without a static line connected at all.
~ Earl
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| Subject: | Re: Pitot location |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
>> Need some insight into what is the problem with the pitot/static air
>> location on the FSII. Richard Pike
>> MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
>>
> For my first flight two years ago, wanting to have a handle on yaw, I
attached the accepted piece of yarn at the base of the windshield.
--useless. Didn't tell me squat. I got a lot more input from air
coming
in the door. The under-nose location is ok providing you don't
taxi through a lot of brush.
-BB, engine torn down, looks pretty good. do not archive
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "George T. Alexander, Jr." <gtalexander@att.net>
Richard:
Can't really tell from the picture in the link you provided, but the pitot
may be just a few inches too short. From the picture, it looks like it is
only a little forward of the front of the nose and is not out in clean air.
Just a guess.
George Alexander
Richard Pike wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org>
>
> Need some insight into what is the problem with the pitot/static air
> location on the FSII. The owner wanted the pitot and static air to come
out
> the top of the nosebowl and point forward, and that seemed like a good
> idea, other aircraft are done that way. (Vesta for one)
> Here is where they are now - top picture on the page
> http://www.bcchapel.org/pages/0003/Latch.html
>
> Anyway, it has turned into a soup sandwich trying to get the airspeeds to
> be accurate, this position is not working. Owner has decided he now wants
> them out the bottom and pointing forward like I have on my MKIII, and
since
> that works, it ought to be ok, but does anyone have any insight into why
> the current position above the nose is so non functional? (I don't mind
> fixing it, but I would like to understand why it won't work)
>
> Richard Pike
> MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
>
> do not archive
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Beauford" <beauford@tampabay.rr.com>
Kolbers...
Stand by for a minor rant...
Concur with Bob and Ed... Costs of attending SnF are wildly out of control.
Some examples... After noting last year that they had been removed, my
buddies and I made a point of looking all day to see how many water
fountains we could find.. saw a grand total of four remaining in the whole
place, all in a row at one location between the vendor sheds. There may be
more, but we sure couldn't find them. There used to be many more scattered
around the crowd areas.... Instead, the place is now infested up with
stands selling bottled water for nearly $3 a small .5 liter bottle and $4
lemonade. I Paid $25.50 for lunch for two people; it was two sandwiches,
two orders of fries, and two small cokes at a "carney" booth (the only place
to get chow in the ultralight area).... I won't even get started about the
$25 a head to get in. It's not just the money... It certainly costs a good
bit to put on a show like this, and they are entitled to a fair return... It
is the idea that these people have gone far past that and are gleefully,
unashamedly and unapologetically screwing the clientelle...
I sure do like little airplanes... especially slow little wooden and ragwing
"poorboy" airplanes that sell for less than the price of a house... but by
my observation, there is a sharp and noticible decline in the number of such
little airplanes showing up at this event over the past few years and that,
too, is eating away at my incentive for going.... The numbers of little
airplanes aside, I guess I am unhappiest over the recurring feeling that I
am somehow being taken advantage of because I like slow little airplanes and
want to go where they are aggregated... That said, there are finite limits
to how bad a taste in my mouth I can tolerate when I drive away after a day
out there being bent over a barrel. I don't mind paying for what I get... I
will get out there and spread my meager plastic around with the best of them
when I get fair value for the buck, but I have a stubborn streak about
getting aired-out by perfect strangers while being held in a semi-captive
environment.... and not getting kissed (that I can recall) all day long.
The only thing missing out there was pay toilets. Stand-by for next year.
It appears obvious to me that EAA is now vigorously engaged in trying to put
major P.R. daylight between themselves and the present event at Lakeland...
The EAA is engaging in public hand-wringing and blaming forces totally out
of their control over what has happened to what used to be "their" show.
Well, whatever happened to S'nF did not happen with masked men holding
pistols on Poberezny and the EAA board of directors in the middle of the
night... Documents had to be signed conveying the rights to the SnF name
and formal contracts agreed to.... and do you suppose that the EAA "gave
it away" for nothing...??? Right. It looks to me (as well as to
numerous other people I talked to out there) that this Lakeland operation
has undergone a fundamental shift in the past five or six years from a
gathering of enthusiasts with a common love for aviation, to a cash cow for
some unnamed persons or interests. All I know is that not too long ago,
this was an EAA show and they were very proud of it...whatever has happened,
the EAA had to have signed up and allowed it to happen, and I personally
find their protests of disassociation from what is taking place now to be
disingenuous and disgusting. The good 'ol EAA has pretty well outgrown me
and the sort of aviation which initially drew me to it by evolving into a
culture which worships 300 horsepower plastic airplanes with $150K
instrument panels and guys in monogrammed polyester jumpsuits...
My airline retired-pilot buddy who usually flies in to attend S'nF with me
put it about as well as I can as he was getting on the airliner to fly back
to Kansas on Saturday... "The EAA has gotten their last dollar of my money,
and so have the people who have taken over Lakeland..." I have to agree
with him... I live 20 miles from it, but I likely won't be back.
Blatently Bitter Beauford in Brandon
FF#076
No plastic.
----- Original Message -----
From: <Airgriff2@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Sun
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Airgriff2@aol.com
>
> Ed Writes
>>
>> >> Bob,
>>>
>>> Last time I went to S N F they charged a whole week of camping
>>> even if
>>> you just wanted to camp for 2 nights. They would not refund the
>>> difference.
>>> That is not fair. At least at Oshkosh they will refund the days
>>> you
>>> don't use.
>>>
>>> Do you know if that is still the way they operate? If so I may
>>> never
>>> go back!
>>>
>>> Yes, Ed, I arrived 2 days early, paid an extra $40 plus the full week
>>> of
>>> camping regardless of how many nights I stayed. The show itself was
>>> great
>>> as usual but the main campground was a bit less. Their rules say roping
>>> off
>>> areas to save them ahead of time isn't allowed. As you ride around
>>> looking
>>> for a spot you see roped areas all over and nothing is said. Also they
>>> say
>>> no tents around the rim of the pond. I bet you could count 30 or 40 of
>>> them?
>>> The vending and camp stores used to be run by local organizations from
>>> Lakeland trying to raise money, such as boys & girls clubs. Now they
>>> are all
>>> commercial and carnival type venders. Only food available in the main
>>> campground, other than the corn roast, was from the "Cinnamon bun"unit
>>> which got $5
>>> + for a roll. Neither one of the camp stores ever opened up at all. I
>>> was
>>> in a tent only area which is supposed to be quiet with no generators.
>>> Near by
>>> was a refrigerated trailer unit running 24/7. Sorry to go on with the
>>> little gripes, but don't blame the EAA. The local paper explained that
>>> Sun & Fun
>>> has dropped "EAA" from it's logo because they want people to realize
>>> that
>>> the show is owned and operated by "Sun & Fun Inc.", not the EAA.
>
> Fly Safe
> Bob Griffin
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Pitot location |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Cottrell" <lcottrel@kfalls.net>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Earl & Mim Zimmerman" <emzi@supernet.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Pitot location
Richard,
I have my pitot tube sticking out of the center of the nose cone in the
front, however it sticks out at least six inches past the nose cone. I
installed a regular GA Static opening in the bottom of the nose cone right
under and between the rudder pedals. It was about the only place that I
wouldn't put my big feet on it. I haven't really done extensive testing to
see how accurate it is, but it is for sure the best reading that I have ever
gotten yet. In no wind conditions it reads right there with my gps. I used
to have the same type of windshield configuration that you have on your
plane. I tried it with no static tube and my speeds were always high, stuck
a tube out the side of the cone pointing back and they were still high. When
I put the tube out the bottom with the GA static screw in thing a bob and it
read lower.
Larry, Oregon
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "alananpat" <alananpat@ev1.net>
Are there going to be any Kolbers at SWRFI next month? I couldn't make it S&F but
I will be at Hondo. I am particularly interested in getting a good look at
a Kolbra, maybe even getting to sit in one.
Alan, soon to be doing the Kolbra thing.
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Williamson" <kolbrapilot@comcast.net>
Alan and All,
I might make it down to SWRFI on Friday morning, spend lunch time there and
fly back home that afternoon.
You will be more than welcome to try the Kolbra on for size.
John Williamson
Arlington, TX
Kolb Kolbra, Rotax 912ULS, 748 hours
http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Pitot location |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org>
At 08:41 PM 4/19/2005 -0500, you wrote:
The faster you fly, the indicator reads higher than the actual speed. For
instance, test flight this evening, stall was within 2 mph of expected @ 32
mph. But at 55 indicated, the actual airspeed was 73, average determined by
gps and flying a triangle pattern..
The airspeed reads almost correct at stall speed, but as the speed goes up,
the airspeed indicator reads progressively higher than actual speed.
Tried modifying the pitot tube so that it was 13" above the nose cone, and
the pickup even with the front edge of the nose cone, no change.
Open for suggestions.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: Jack & Louise Hart <jbhart@ldd.net>
>
>Richard,
>
>Which direction is the error?
>
>Jack B. Hart FF004
>Jackson, MO
>
>
>Jack & Louise Hart
>jbhart@ldd.net
>
>
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| Subject: | John Williamson's webpage |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: WillUribe@aol.com
Hi John,
I was just looking at your web page. That is a beautiful picture you have on
the cover. Who took the picture and when?
http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot/
Regards,
Will Uribe
FireStar II N4GU
do not archive.
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| Subject: | John Williamson's webpage |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Williamson" <kolbrapilot@comcast.net>
Hi Will,
The photo is of James Tripp and his FireStar over the factory airfield at
last September's Fly-In.
It was taken at sunrise on Friday.
John Williamson
Arlington, TX
Kolb Kolbra, Rotax 912ULS, 748 hours
http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot
do not archive
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| Subject: | John Williamson's webpage |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org>
Beautiful, it just replaced the Blue Angels F-18 pic in our chapter
newsletter -
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (N420P (420ldPoops)
At 10:49 PM 4/19/2005 -0500, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Williamson" <kolbrapilot@comcast.net>
>
>Hi Will,
>
>The photo is of James Tripp and his FireStar over the factory airfield at
>last September's Fly-In.
>
>It was taken at sunrise on Friday.
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>
>John Williamson
>Arlington, TX
>
>Kolb Kolbra, Rotax 912ULS, 748 hours
>http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot
>
>do not archive
>
>
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In a message dated 4/19/2005 9:34:18 P.M. Central Standard Time,
beauford@tampabay.rr.com writes:
About 2 years ago I changed to the six-inch Azuza nylon wheels (Spruce part
#06-02700) with the 4.10 x 3.50 x 6 narrow profile tires... (Spruce part
#06-03000). There are only a few ounces difference per wheel from the wider
five inch Azuzas and tires I removed (I weighed them), but the difference in
the way the airplane rolls on rough ground is remarkable... a vast
improvement.
Bro. Beauford,
Do you have brakes on those 6 inch plastic wheels. If so what kind. It
seems every one(almost) agrees that the 4 inch wheels are not acceptable
Ed( in Hou)
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In a message dated 4/19/2005 9:44:26 P.M. Central Standard Time,
beauford@tampabay.rr.com writes:
Kolbers...
Stand by for a minor rant...
Bro beauford,
AMAN
That will preach!
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