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1. 03:17 AM - Re: Pitot location (David L. Bigelow)
2. 04:06 AM - Pitot static problem (Edward Steuber)
3. 05:54 AM - Re: firefly Tires (Beauford)
4. 05:56 AM - Re: Sun (Wayne T. McCullough)
5. 06:09 AM - Re: Sun (snuffy@usol.com)
6. 06:22 AM - Re: Sun (James, Ken)
7. 06:37 AM - Re: SWRFI (alananpat)
8. 06:38 AM - Re: Pitot location (Earl & Mim Zimmerman)
9. 06:48 AM - Re: Pitot location (Jack & Louise Hart)
10. 06:58 AM - Re: Sun (Steve Garvelink)
11. 07:06 AM - Re: Pitot static problem (Richard Pike)
12. 07:22 AM - Re: Pitot location (Herb Gayheart)
13. 07:29 AM - Re: Sun (Richard & Martha Neilsen)
14. 07:53 AM - Re: Pitot location (Richard Pike)
15. 08:00 AM - Re: Sun (Wayne @ Aircraft Engravers)
16. 08:23 AM - Re: Pitot location (Jack & Louise Hart)
17. 09:33 AM - Monument Valley (ghaley@wt.net)
18. 09:44 AM - Bryce Cyn and on to Monument Valley (Erich_Weaver@URSCorp.com)
19. 11:27 AM - Re: firefly Tires (N27SB@AOL.com)
20. 11:53 AM - Re: Sun (N27SB@aol.com)
21. 12:23 PM - Re: Sun (Kirby Dennis Contr MDA/AL)
22. 12:50 PM - Re: Pitot location (Kirby Dennis Contr MDA/AL)
23. 02:10 PM - Re: EAA and SnF..by Beauford (dixieshack@webtv.net (Mike and Dixie Shackelford))
24. 02:34 PM - Re: Sun (Steve Schlieper)
25. 02:58 PM - Sun N Fun (flykolb)
26. 03:07 PM - kolb titan exhaust (Giovanni Day)
27. 03:12 PM - Re: Re: Sun (Herb Gayheart)
28. 03:53 PM - Re: Sun (Beauford)
29. 03:56 PM - Re: Sun N Fun (Beauford)
30. 04:39 PM - Re: Sun (Steve Schlieper)
31. 05:12 PM - Re: firefly Tires (Flycrazy8@aol.com)
32. 05:46 PM - Re: Sun (Kirk Smith)
33. 06:06 PM - Re: firefly Tires (Larry Bourne)
34. 06:24 PM - Re: Monument Valley (Larry Bourne)
35. 07:48 PM - Re: Sun (N27SB@aol.com)
36. 08:08 PM - Re: Sun (DAquaNut@AOL.com)
37. 09:48 PM - Sun'nFun website update (John Williamson)
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| Subject: | Re: Pitot location |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "David L. Bigelow" <dlbigelow@verizon.net>
I put the pitot tube on my FS2 at the very front of the nose cone as per the plans.
That seems to be a reasonable place to catch an undisturbed airflow. Most
airspeed errors are related to static port position. You need two ports, one
on each side of the fuselage, and in an area as perpendicular to the airflow
as possible. Having one on each side cancels out the effects of yaw.
I bought a pair of static ports from Aircraft Spruce and Specialty, and installed
them low down and as far to the rear of the nose cone as possible. I did the
test flights with a Hall Wind meter mounted out the side of the cockpit to
cross check the indicated air speeds. The two are right together in the lower
speed ranges, but the indicated air speed is slightly lower than the Hall meter
at 45 mph and above.
Having no static ports and just using the static pressure inside the cockpit works,
but will never be very accurate.
Dave Bigelow
Kamuela, Hawaii
FS2
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| Subject: | Pitot static problem |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Edward Steuber" <esteuber@rochester.rr.com>
Richard ,
You may have a problem with the airspeed indicator calibration...It should
have a card showing the test results but sometimes they are not even close...try
another airspeed indicator ?
Uncalibrated ED in Western NY
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| Subject: | Re: firefly Tires |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Beauford" <beauford@tampabay.rr.com>
Ed...
Yes, the same cable actuated brakes Kolb furnished with my FF kit will also
fit on the six inch Azuzalite wheels... the holes are already in the
six-inch wheels to accomodate them. Not sure who the manufacturer of those
brakes might be, but I am certain that someone on the List would know if you
are curious.
I never had the four-inch wheels... I took one look at them and ordered the
five inch Firestar wheels and tires with my FF kit. Unfortunately, even the
five inch proved too small for the rougher areas on the strip.
Regards,
Beauford
----- Original Message -----
From: <DAquaNut@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: firefly Tires
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: DAquaNut@aol.com
>
>
> In a message dated 4/19/2005 9:34:18 P.M. Central Standard Time,
> beauford@tampabay.rr.com writes:
>
>
> About 2 years ago I changed to the six-inch Azuza nylon wheels (Spruce
> part
> #06-02700) with the 4.10 x 3.50 x 6 narrow profile tires... (Spruce part
> #06-03000). There are only a few ounces difference per wheel from the
> wider
> five inch Azuzas and tires I removed (I weighed them), but the difference
> in
> the way the airplane rolls on rough ground is remarkable... a vast
> improvement.
>
>
> Bro. Beauford,
>
> Do you have brakes on those 6 inch plastic wheels. If so what kind.
> It
> seems every one(almost) agrees that the 4 inch wheels are not acceptable
>
> Ed( in Hou)
>
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Wayne T. McCullough" <blackbird754@alltel.net>
I went to Sun-n-fun, and observed the same information and thoughts. I did
have a chance to touch base with some fellow Kolbers and talked with Travis
at the Kolb booth...I heard the vendors were down 25 % as one of our members
works security in the ultralight area.....
I agree that after 10 years of attending , our members will not be
back...what a shame...Cost has outweighed everything....
I still like the smaller groups of enthusiasts and grass roots of
aviation....Thats what brought us all together in the first place....WOW!
Wayne McCullough
EAA chapter 330 president
Springfield, Georgia
----- Original Message -----
From: <DAquaNut@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Sun
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: DAquaNut@aol.com
>
>
> In a message dated 4/19/2005 9:44:26 P.M. Central Standard Time,
> beauford@tampabay.rr.com writes:
>
>
> Kolbers...
>
> Stand by for a minor rant...
>
>
> Bro beauford,
>
>
> AMAN
> That will preach!
>
> Do Not Archive
>
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: snuffy@usol.com
> "The EAA has gotten their last dollar of my money,
Same here..........
Do not
archive
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "James, Ken" <KDJames@berkscareer.com>
Anyone see any interesting engine developments at Fun and $un
Still looking
Ken James
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "alananpat" <alananpat@ev1.net>
Cool. Thank you.
Alan
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Williamson" <kolbrapilot@comcast.net>
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: SWRFI
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Williamson"
<kolbrapilot@comcast.net>
>
> Alan and All,
>
> I might make it down to SWRFI on Friday morning, spend lunch time there
and
> fly back home that afternoon.
>
> You will be more than welcome to try the Kolbra on for size.
>
>
> John Williamson
> Arlington, TX
>
> Kolb Kolbra, Rotax 912ULS, 748 hours
> http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot
>
> do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Pitot location |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Earl & Mim Zimmerman <emzi@supernet.com>
David L. Bigelow wrote:
> Having no static ports and just using the static pressure inside the cockpit
works, but will never be very accurate.
>
Not accurate. But very consistent! It will also read higher from actual
the faster you go. ~ Earl
--
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| Subject: | Re: Pitot location |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Jack & Louise Hart <jbhart@ldd.net>
At 11:34 PM 4/19/05 -0400, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org>
>
>At 08:41 PM 4/19/2005 -0500, you wrote:
> The faster you fly, the indicator reads higher than the actual speed. For
>instance, test flight this evening, stall was within 2 mph of expected @ 32
>mph. But at 55 indicated, the actual airspeed was 73, average determined by
>gps and flying a triangle pattern..
>
>The airspeed reads almost correct at stall speed, but as the speed goes up,
>the airspeed indicator reads progressively higher than actual speed.
>
>Tried modifying the pitot tube so that it was 13" above the nose cone, and
>the pickup even with the front edge of the nose cone, no change.
>
>Open for suggestions.
>
>Richard Pike
>MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
>
Richard,
First, you may want to check out your ASI to see if it is the problem. It
is easy to do by using a water manometer made from Tygon tubing with one
end connected to the dynamic port. The inches of water to airspeed
indication follow:
h = .00853 P (v)2 / T where
h = inches of water
P = altimeter (in Hg)
v = mph
T = temperature (deg R)
At 80 degF and 29.95 inHg:
mph - h (in)
30 - 0.43
40 - 0.76
50 - 1.18
60 - 1.70
70 - 2.32
80 - 3.03
90 - 3.83
100 - 4.73
If you have already done this then it is time to put a dam on the pitot tube
static port. Since your airspeed it reading high, it indicates that the
pressure difference is too high between the dynamic and static ports. Place
a little dam over the static port tube behind or down wind of the static
opening(s). You have a couple of options on how to tune the ASI in. You
can make the dam small and slide it forward and backward until the ASI reads
correctly and then fix it into place. The other way is make the dam too
large and fix it in place. Then keep trimming material away until the ASI
read correctly. For test purposes, you can use a rubber band and multi wrap
the pitot tube. It is easy to slide up and down tube and will stay in place
during test flights.
My pitot tube is mounted on top of the nose cone. There has been a lot of
work done on the design of pitot tubes. It is important to get the distance
between the dynamic and static ports located correctly. I have a book that
I didn't use when I made mine and so my ASI read too low. I had to mount the
dam in front of my static ports to increase the pressure difference. How it
was done can be seen at:
http://www.thirdshift.com/jack/firefly/firefly36.html
I hope this helps.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Jackson, MO
Jack & Louise Hart
jbhart@ldd.net
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Steve Garvelink" <link@cdc.net>
Hey I am sure some FBO would be interesting in creating a new meca for
ultralight avation. Somewhere around southern ga or northern florida.
Maybe it is time to git er done.
Srglink
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Wayne T.
McCullough
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Sun
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Wayne T. McCullough"
<blackbird754@alltel.net>
I went to Sun-n-fun, and observed the same information and thoughts. I
did
have a chance to touch base with some fellow Kolbers and talked with
Travis
at the Kolb booth...I heard the vendors were down 25 % as one of our
members
works security in the ultralight area.....
I agree that after 10 years of attending , our members will not be
back...what a shame...Cost has outweighed everything....
I still like the smaller groups of enthusiasts and grass roots of
aviation....Thats what brought us all together in the first
place....WOW!
Wayne McCullough
EAA chapter 330 president
Springfield, Georgia
----- Original Message -----
From: <DAquaNut@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Sun
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: DAquaNut@aol.com
>
>
> In a message dated 4/19/2005 9:44:26 P.M. Central Standard Time,
> beauford@tampabay.rr.com writes:
>
>
> Kolbers...
>
> Stand by for a minor rant...
>
>
> Bro beauford,
>
>
> AMAN
> That will preach!
>
> Do Not Archive
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Pitot static problem |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org>
We have another airspeed indicator on order, hasn't got here yet. Yesterday
morning, the Good Lookin' Old Poop & I calibrated the current airspeed
indicator, mounted a 10' long pipe on the roof racks of the Jeep, with a
pitot tube at the front, even with the bumper and 3' above the hood, and
the instrument on the dash. Tried to adjust for variables of static air by
having windows up/down, A/C off/on, not much difference.
The current airspeed indicator reads 10 mph high across the board, so
covered the front of it with little cut out Dymo labels to show the correct
speeds. And it still reads all screwed up. Will wait until the new
indicator arrives and then try some of these suggestions.
Thanks
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
do not archive
At 07:06 AM 4/20/2005 -0400, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Edward Steuber" <esteuber@rochester.rr.com>
>
>Richard ,
> You may have a problem with the airspeed indicator
> calibration...It should have a card showing the test results but
> sometimes they are not even close...try another airspeed indicator ?
>
> Uncalibrated ED in Western NY
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Pitot location |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Herb Gayheart <herbgh@juno.com>
> >Richard Pike
> >MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
> >
>
> Richard,
>
> First, you may want to check out your ASI to see if it is the
> problem. It
> is easy to do by using a water manometer made from Tygon tubing with
> one
> end connected to the dynamic port. The inches of water to airspeed
>
> indication follow:
>
> h = .00853 P (v)2 / T where
>
> h = inches of water
> P = altimeter (in Hg)
> v = mph
> T = temperature (deg R)
>
> At 80 degF and 29.95 inHg:
>
> mph - h (in)
> 30 - 0.43
> 40 - 0.76
> 50 - 1.18
> 60 - 1.70
> 70 - 2.32
> 80 - 3.03
> 90 - 3.83
> 100 - 4.73
>
Jack
do not know how you did it--but I installed a "T" in the line from
the manometer to the airspeed indicator. In this extra line I added a
large animal syringe. That way all I had to do was pump up the
differential pressure and read the airspeed. Herb
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard & Martha Neilsen" <NeilsenRM@comcast.net>
Yes there was a weight shift anfib that had a three cylinder turbo diesel
with a reduction drive. The engine was out of a European car called a Smart
Car. There were all kinds of claims that I will not repeat.
Also I was told by the Kolb folks that they were charged $5,000 for the
single space that they had at Sun-N-Fun. They have to sell a bunch of
airplanes to recoup those costs. It is no wonder that there were no low cost
airplanes there. They also said that they will only have one lot/space at
Oshkosh this summer and it will be near the exhibit halls not at the
ultralight strip.
I had a great time at Sun-N-Fun meeting great people, seeing old friends,
and seeing new things. I will go again but it is over priced and I fear that
the cost will be the down fall for the big air shows.
I'm back in Michigan and I just got my new VW engine running on my MKIIIc. I
should be back in the air shortly.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW powered MKIIIc
----- Original Message -----
From: "James, Ken" <KDJames@berkscareer.com>
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Sun
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "James, Ken" <KDJames@berkscareer.com>
>
> Anyone see any interesting engine developments at Fun and $un
>
> Still looking
>
> Ken James
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Pitot location |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org>
Jack, I think the static port air dam might just be the ticket, the
symptoms you describe sound the same as what we are experiencing, I will
try that out today. Thanks.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
At 08:48 AM 4/20/2005 -0500, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: Jack & Louise Hart <jbhart@ldd.net>
<snip>
>If you have already done this then it is time to put a dam on the pitot tube
>static port. Since your airspeed it reading high, it indicates that the
>pressure difference is too high between the dynamic and static ports. Place
>a little dam over the static port tube behind or down wind of the static
>opening(s). You have a couple of options on how to tune the ASI in. You
>can make the dam small and slide it forward and backward until the ASI reads
>correctly and then fix it into place. The other way is make the dam too
>large and fix it in place. Then keep trimming material away until the ASI
>read correctly. For test purposes, you can use a rubber band and multi wrap
>the pitot tube. It is easy to slide up and down tube and will stay in place
>during test flights.
>
>My pitot tube is mounted on top of the nose cone. There has been a lot of
>work done on the design of pitot tubes. It is important to get the distance
>between the dynamic and static ports located correctly. I have a book that
>I didn't use when I made mine and so my ASI read too low. I had to mount the
>dam in front of my static ports to increase the pressure difference. How it
>was done can be seen at:
>
>http://www.thirdshift.com/jack/firefly/firefly36.html
>
>I hope this helps.
>
>Jack B. Hart FF004
>Jackson, MO
>
>
>Jack & Louise Hart
>jbhart@ldd.net
>
>
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| From: | "Wayne @ Aircraft Engravers" <wayne@engravers.net> |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Wayne @ Aircraft Engravers" <wayne@engravers.net>
Your 100% right about everything you commented on. From 14 years of going to
Sun 'N Fun as a vendor I see it as just a money maker for the top few
"Owners" and paid staff. The unpaid volunteers are what make it all work,
without them it couldn't happen at all. Now that the EAA is out of the
picture I think you will see some more price gouging going on.
What burns me the most is their (Sun 'N Fun's) propagating lie about the
attendance figures. In the past they stated that there was something around
640,000 in attendance (not 100% sure on that figure, but close enough for
this). There is NO way the area towns can absorb that many people! What they
were counting was how many tickets were sold not the people. So if someone
came for the whole week they were counted 7 times. That one person only has
so much money to spend during his or her stay, where as if it was truly 7
different people seven times more money could be spent. Our (Vendor) costs
continue to rise each year also. A 10 x 10 booth inside a hangar was
$1480.35 this year. I quickly added up just the cost for all the exhibitor
spaces EXCLUDING any food vendors, $957,395.00, almost a million dollars.
Money is certainly flowing but not into the vendors pockets. It's become a
marketing cost that is added to the price of everything you purchase as
opposed to a friendly gathering of aircraft enthusiasts getting together to
promote aviation.
Just my two cents worth.
Wayne
(Deleted most of the original post to shorten this email)
> Stand by for a minor rant...
>
> Concur with Bob and Ed... Costs of attending SnF are wildly out of
> control.
> Some examples...
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| Subject: | Re: Pitot location |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Jack & Louise Hart <jbhart@ldd.net>
>
>Jack
>
> do not know how you did it--but I installed a "T" in the line from
>the manometer to the airspeed indicator. In this extra line I added a
>large animal syringe. That way all I had to do was pump up the
>differential pressure and read the airspeed. Herb
>
Herb,
That is a good idea, it makes it much easier. I filled the tube with a bit
of water and then arced it by a level. By raising and lowering the free
end of the tube I could expand the arc and measure the water height
difference against the level. Your method lets one keep the tubing up "U"
sides next to each other so one can measure with out the level.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Jackson, MO
Jack & Louise Hart
jbhart@ldd.net
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: ghaley@wt.net
Larry,
Thanks for the narrative on Monument Valley and the
surrounding areas.
I am flying my Kolb Mark III to MV and will arrive on
Thursday May 19th if all goes as planned. My wife will be
joining me on Friday and staying until Monday AM. I
forwarded your message to her and she kinda got excited.
She has always said she would never do rapids but after
reading your post she said she would probably do that
onethanks.
I also read some of your other adventures and especially
enjoyed the one about the Salton Sea.
Looking forward to meeting you and others this May.
Gary Haley, Kolb Mark IIIc 912ULS
Dry Creek Airport (TS07)
Cypress, TX
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| Subject: | Bryce Cyn and on to Monument Valley |
04/20/2005 12:43:28 PM
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Erich_Weaver@URSCorp.com
Boyd Young and I have agreed to rendezvous at Bryce Cyn airport sometime
Tuesday, May 17 to take in the sights before heading over to Monument
Valley on Thursday. Boyd will be flying in while I will be trailering.
The plan is to camp in the Bryce area, either at the airport if it looks
ok, or possibly at Ruby's Inn which is fairly close by and has pretty much
anything you would need to get by. We invite all others to join us, as
possible. If we miss you at Bryce, we'll catch you at MV.
regards
Erich Weaver
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| Subject: | Re: firefly Tires |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: N27SB@aol.com
To All:
I saw some really cool tire/wheel/disc brake assy on one of those stupid
little pocket motorcycles. they had a spoked wheel with a smooth tire and a cable
pulled disc brake. Everything looked light enough for a Firefly. I know the
dealer so I can find a source if anyone is interested. I have no interest for my
firefly because it has no wheels.
Steve do not archive
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: N27SB@aol.com
To All:
I have been attending SnF since 1971, back then almost 100% of the activities
were related to Home built airplanes. In the mid 80s some commercial
interest was moving in but I recall seeing over 80 EZ types park on a big day and
a
wide diversity and representation of many other types of homebuilts, built by
the pilot. I quit going in the 90s for many of the reasons that others have
stated. I only went back to SnF in 2002 because I wanted to build a Kolb. Since
then I have become friends with this fine group of people as well as many Kolb
builders. (Kolb guys are also included in the phrase "Fine group of people").
At this past SnF I would say that only about 15% was made up of the true
original intent of an EAA show. Needless to say that the ONLY reason I go is to
contibute my time and ideas to the guys sweating it out at the Kolb booth and to
meet other Kolb flyers. Many companys have pulled out as well as many pilots
do not fly in. Thanks for the soapbox Beauford, I'll get off it now and turn
it over to someone else.
Steve Boetto
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Kirby Dennis Contr MDA/AL <Dennis.Kirby@kirtland.af.mil>
beauford@tampabay.rr.com wrote: << Kolbers... Stand by for a minor rant. >>
Beauford -
You should send your letter to EAA - maybe someone with influence will
actually listen. Every month in Sport Aviation, in his editorial letter,
Tom Poberezny seems to write (ad nauseum) something about grass roots
aviation, or working to preserve aviation heritege since 1953, etc.
Apparently, it's only lip service.
It is apparent you are not the only one with these observations.
If enough folks tell the right people, it just might influence a change ...
Dennis Kirby
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| Subject: | Re: Pitot location |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Kirby Dennis Contr MDA/AL <Dennis.Kirby@kirtland.af.mil>
Richard -
Everything I've read regarding pitot location seems to suggest that the
pitot tube must be placed in a location of UNDISTURBED freestream air.
That's why it is so often suggested to install the pitot tube in such a way
that the tip extends at least six inches ahead of any airframe structure
(like the wing leading edge, or the nosecone).
From the looks of your installation, the pitot tube is seeing airflow that
has already been deflected upward around the nosecone. Airflow entering the
pitot is not hitting it straight on, but at an angle. This is likely the
cause of your error. Even at 13" above the nosecone surface, the air has
still been deflected upward there.
I agree with Larry (in Oregon) - best place to install the pitot on our
Kolbs is on the nose of the nosecone.
That's how I did mine, and my indicated airspeeds agree with my no-wind GPS
readouts.
Keep us posted ...
Dennis Kirby
Mark-3 in NM
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| Subject: | Re: EAA and SnF..by Beauford |
message of Tue, 19 Apr 2005 23:56:26 -0700
--> Kolb-List message posted by: dixieshack@webtv.net (Mike and Dixie Shackelford)
'Way to go, Beauford! For me and the EAA, it was when they did
away with the great little mag the "Experimenter" and replaced it with
"Sport Pilot" then filled it with advertising for high-dollar
fast-glass in the over 50 thou range...no more Legal Eagles or
Ultracruisers, just ads for Ford Excursions, fast glass and how great
the EAA is. I sorta promised George I'd attend this year, but....some
things here at home took priority....then I remembered the $4.00
lemonades and two-thousand mile round trip using $2.50/gal gasoline.
Somehow, it just didn't compute. That'll buy a lot of bait and a tank
or two of fuel for the johnboat.
I'll keep my twenty-plus year old number one more year...then, if
things aren't more member-oriented..that'll be it for me.
Take care of George fer this hillbilly
Mike in WV
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Steve Schlieper" <splitess@suscom-maine.net>
EAA was not associated with Sun and Fun this year. The organizers gave them
the boot last fall. That is why things were screwed up and costs were jacked
up.
D. Steven Schlieper
8 Homeplace
Topsham, Maine 04086
----- Original Message -----
From: <snuffy@usol.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Sun
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: snuffy@usol.com
>
>> "The EAA has gotten their last dollar of my money,
>
>
> Same here..........
>
> Do not
> archive
>
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "flykolb" <flykolb@carolina.rr.com>
Fellow Kolbers,
I took the liberty of sending your comments on to EAA. I deleted your names and
email address. I will let you know when (and if) I get any response.
Jim
Mark III
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| Subject: | kolb titan exhaust |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Giovanni Day" <gde01@bellsouth.net>
Hello all,
I have FS the kolb version of the titan exhaust FS. I use d it for about
15-20 hours. $485 Please email me off list.
Giovanni
MKIII 80566
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Herb Gayheart <herbgh@juno.com>
Dennis
I just looked up the $un n Fun site and believe I read that the Sun n
Fun group and the Eaa are sharing the Venue. Neither in Full control. By
agreement.The Sun n Fun part is organized as a 501-c3, not for profit
charity. :-) EAA also?? The EAA may just lend its presence??
I could not find a list of officers? The 501 c3 would be registered
with the state of Fla. I always try to find the people behind the
organization when I want to understand what is going on. Not sure if
their records have to be made public. My take is that Sun n Fun is not
the EAA. Herb
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On Wed, 20 Apr 2005 20:23:32 +0100 Kirby Dennis Contr MDA/AL
<Dennis.Kirby@kirtland.af.mil> writes:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Kirby Dennis Contr MDA/AL
> <Dennis.Kirby@kirtland.af.mil>
>
> beauford@tampabay.rr.com wrote: << Kolbers... Stand by for a minor
> rant. >>
>
> Beauford -
>
> You should send your letter to EAA - maybe someone with influence
> will
> actually listen. Every month in Sport Aviation, in his editorial
> letter,
> Tom Poberezny seems to write (ad nauseum) something about grass
> roots
> aviation, or working to preserve aviation heritege since 1953, etc.
> Apparently, it's only lip service.
>
> It is apparent you are not the only one with these observations.
> If enough folks tell the right people, it just might influence a
> change ...
>
> Dennis Kirby
> do not archive
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Beauford" <beauford@tampabay.rr.com>
Brother Schlieper...
Agree with you that the Lakeland event clearly fell short to an
unprecedented extent this year, but from where I sit, this EAA shift in
focus toward big money and away from small-time ragwing piddlers like myself
first became really obvious and began to rapidly accelerate about five or
six years ago, not just this year.... To me, as an annual attendee, that
trend's impact on SnF has been evident and growing for some time...
Lemonade did not just get up to $4 this Spring. As you point out, the
people who are running it now did, in fact, take it away from EAA as of this
year, but I suspect you'll have a tough time convincing most people who have
been watching these developments that that the change of "hood ornaments" on
the show last Fall is solely and abruptly responsible for the high costs and
general abuse of the faithful that we just experienced over there...some of
it, perhaps... but all of it?
One thought... Does anyone find it a tad strange that EAA has not, to my
knowledge, mentioned a single mumbling word in any or all of their dazzling
array of slick magazines about their summary removal from SnF and what
significance this holds for the organization and its' membership? This
show was, after all, one of the two EAA crown jewels for decades... Did I
miss the article?
Almost makes one wonder about the nature of the relationship between EAA and
the airfield at Oshkosh.... eh???
I'm coming across as being bitter and hostile about EAA, and I really should
not do that... I just feel betrayed, somehow, that one of the really
pleasurable and fun things in what I laughingly refer to as my "life" now
appears to have turned into a near-total bust in a relatively short period
of time. EAA was a fine little-guy organization at one time in the
not-too-distant past, and Lakeland was an event to be looked forward to and
relished each year... I don't like being cheated out of something I like.
I feel so badly about this that I think I'm about to be driven out into the
yard to light up a stogie, have a Martini and sulk... and it'll all be
Poberezny's fault. I'll shut up about it.
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Melancholy Beauford... sigh....
FF#076
Brandon, FL
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Steve Schlieper"
> <splitess@suscom-maine.net>
>
> EAA was not associated with Sun and Fun this year. The organizers gave
> them
> the boot last fall. That is why things were screwed up and costs were
> jacked
> up.
>
> D. Steven Schlieper
> 8 Homeplace
> Topsham, Maine 04086
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <snuffy@usol.com>
> To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Sun
>
>
>> --> Kolb-List message posted by: snuffy@usol.com
>>
>>> "The EAA has gotten their last dollar of my money,
>>
>>
>> Same here..........
>>
>> Do not
>> archive
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Beauford" <beauford@tampabay.rr.com>
Good lick, Jim... but I doubt they are in the receive mode on this
subject... they have not been in the past.
Beauford
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----- Original Message -----
From: "flykolb" <flykolb@carolina.rr.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: Sun N Fun
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "flykolb" <flykolb@carolina.rr.com>
>
> Fellow Kolbers,
>
> I took the liberty of sending your comments on to EAA. I deleted your
> names and email address. I will let you know when (and if) I get any
> response.
>
> Jim
> Mark III
>
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Steve Schlieper" <splitess@suscom-maine.net>
Brother Beauford,
As a relative neophyte on the subject of Fun and Sun, having just last
year's show under my belt, I will defer to your more experienced eye on the
politics of EAAs betrayal. It is too bad when an organization concentrates
more on the $$$ aspect than on the grass roots, seat-of-the-pants flying
that all us aviators of limited means still thrill over. It is sort of like
dumping the date who brought you to the dance.
I spoke to couple of Lakeland natives yesterday and they relayed to me their
perspectives on the debacle. I also have a couple friends who are fellow
RV-drivers who were quite aggravated in buying a couple of loads of 100LL
fuel to get down to a dog of a show. Too bad.
I really enjoyed myself last year. The folks who seemed to have the most fun
were you Kolbers and fellow light aircraft enthusiasts over on the grass.
Frankly, there is a lot of appeal in being to fly out of a very short grass
strip! I will remember that now every time I write a check for hangar
storage.
Steve S-
D. Steven Schlieper
8 Homeplace
Topsham, Maine 04086
----- Original Message -----
From: "Beauford" <beauford@tampabay.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Sun
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Beauford" <beauford@tampabay.rr.com>
>
> Brother Schlieper...
>
> Agree with you that the Lakeland event clearly fell short to an
> unprecedented extent this year, but from where I sit, this EAA shift in
> focus toward big money and away from small-time ragwing piddlers like
> myself
> first became really obvious and began to rapidly accelerate about five or
> six years ago, not just this year.... To me, as an annual attendee, that
> trend's impact on SnF has been evident and growing for some time...
> Lemonade did not just get up to $4 this Spring. As you point out, the
> people who are running it now did, in fact, take it away from EAA as of
> this
> year, but I suspect you'll have a tough time convincing most people who
> have
> been watching these developments that that the change of "hood ornaments"
> on
> the show last Fall is solely and abruptly responsible for the high costs
> and
> general abuse of the faithful that we just experienced over there...some
> of
> it, perhaps... but all of it?
>
> One thought... Does anyone find it a tad strange that EAA has not, to my
> knowledge, mentioned a single mumbling word in any or all of their
> dazzling
> array of slick magazines about their summary removal from SnF and what
> significance this holds for the organization and its' membership? This
> show was, after all, one of the two EAA crown jewels for decades... Did I
> miss the article?
>
> Almost makes one wonder about the nature of the relationship between EAA
> and
> the airfield at Oshkosh.... eh???
>
> I'm coming across as being bitter and hostile about EAA, and I really
> should
> not do that... I just feel betrayed, somehow, that one of the really
> pleasurable and fun things in what I laughingly refer to as my "life" now
> appears to have turned into a near-total bust in a relatively short period
> of time. EAA was a fine little-guy organization at one time in the
> not-too-distant past, and Lakeland was an event to be looked forward to
> and
> relished each year... I don't like being cheated out of something I like.
> I feel so badly about this that I think I'm about to be driven out into
> the
> yard to light up a stogie, have a Martini and sulk... and it'll all be
> Poberezny's fault. I'll shut up about it.
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
> Melancholy Beauford... sigh....
> FF#076
> Brandon, FL
>
>> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Steve Schlieper"
>> <splitess@suscom-maine.net>
>>
>> EAA was not associated with Sun and Fun this year. The organizers gave
>> them
>> the boot last fall. That is why things were screwed up and costs were
>> jacked
>> up.
>>
>> D. Steven Schlieper
>> 8 Homeplace
>> Topsham, Maine 04086
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: <snuffy@usol.com>
>> To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
>> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Sun
>>
>>
>>> --> Kolb-List message posted by: snuffy@usol.com
>>>
>>>> "The EAA has gotten their last dollar of my money,
>>>
>>>
>>> Same here..........
>>>
>>> Do not
>>> archive
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: firefly Tires |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Flycrazy8@aol.com
Band of Brothers,
Thanks for the information on the Firefly tires...Just what I needed..
I especially am thankful for Brother Beauford sharing his experience with
the Firefly " Nose Stand " .......LOL........Glad to know that I am not the
only one to not LQQK so Kool with a crowd pleasing but embarrassing
predicament.....It's really easy to do on grass with them small tires....
.What is the best way to get out of that situation ?? ..
Does it help to carry a broom handle with you in the cockpit to push
yourself back up ??.. Hey ! Chuck Yeager carried one with him when he broke the
sound barrier .....lol
Stephen
Bama Firefly
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kirk Smith" <snuffy@usol.com>
... Does anyone find it a tad strange that EAA has not, to my
> knowledge, mentioned a single mumbling word in any or all of their
dazzling
> array of slick magazines about their summary removal from SnF
I'll look through the three issues I got for the last year that I was a
member.......
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| Subject: | Re: firefly Tires |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Just for a second that one threw me, till I saw who it was from. OK, Steve,
that's a gotcha. :-) Head Shakin' Lar. Do not
Archive.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Building Kolb Mk III
N78LB Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: <N27SB@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: firefly Tires
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: N27SB@aol.com
>
> To All:
> I saw some really cool tire/wheel/disc brake assy on one of those stupid
> little pocket motorcycles. they had a spoked wheel with a smooth tire and
> a cable
> pulled disc brake. Everything looked light enough for a Firefly. I know
> the
> dealer so I can find a source if anyone is interested. I have no interest
> for my
> firefly because it has no wheels.
>
> Steve do not archive
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Monument Valley |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Thanks, Gary. That raft ride is a real pleasure, and a nice way to spend a
morning. You're coming a long way......will you be grouping up with
John W., Dave and Will ?? Lar. Do not
Archive.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Building Kolb Mk III
N78LB Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: <ghaley@wt.net>
Subject: Kolb-List: Monument Valley
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: ghaley@wt.net
>
> Larry,
>
> Thanks for the narrative on Monument Valley and the
> surrounding areas.
> I am flying my Kolb Mark III to MV and will arrive on
> Thursday May 19th if all goes as planned. My wife will be
> joining me on Friday and staying until Monday AM.
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: N27SB@aol.com
In a message dated 4/20/2005 8:22:17 PM Eastern Standard Time,
beauford@tampabay.rr.com writes:
> I don't like being cheated out of something I like.
> I feel so badly about this that I think I'm about to be driven out into the
> yard to light up a stogie, have a Martini and sulk... and it'll all be
> Poberezny's fault. I'll shut up about it.
>
>
Make it out of Bombay Saphire and very dry and you will feel better.
Steve b
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: DAquaNut@aol.com
In a message dated 4/20/2005 6:03:10 P.M. Central Standard Time,
splitess@suscom-maine.net writes:
EAA was not associated with Sun and Fun this year. The organizers gave them
the boot last fall. That is why things were screwed up and costs were jacked
up.
D. Steven Schlieper
They were jacked up three years ago. It didn't happen overnight!
Ed
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| Subject: | Sun'nFun website update |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Williamson" <kolbrapilot@comcast.net>
Hi ya'all,
I finally made time to update my website and add the photos taken on this
just completed trip to Sun'nFun.
http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot
Sorry to hear all the grumbling about the state of affairs at Sun'nFun. I
had a great time and like to share some of my flying adventures with those
that that can't do it themselves for what ever the reason.
Hope somebody will enjoy the photos and inspire them to make some trips and
post some more photos.
John Williamson
Arlington, TX
Kolb Kolbra, Rotax 912ULS, 748 hours
http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot
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