---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 04/23/05:22 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:21 AM - Sun'nFun Awards (John Williamson) 2. 06:42 AM - Re: Sun'nFun Awards (bryan green) 3. 06:42 AM - Re: Sun'nFun Awards (bryan green) 4. 12:49 PM - VAL COM 760 XNSVR WITH HARNESS (John Hauck) 5. 01:54 PM - Droop tips (Don Gherardini) 6. 02:33 PM - Re: VAL COM 760 XNSVR WITH HARNESS (Charlie England) 7. 02:48 PM - q (russ kinne) 8. 02:49 PM - Re: VAL COM 760 XNSVR WITH HARNESS - ANR Comments (Jim O'Day) 9. 03:03 PM - Re: VAL COM 760 XNSVR WITH HARNESS (Edward Chmielewski) 10. 04:04 PM - Re: Droop tips (Kirk Smith) 11. 05:08 PM - ANR/Radios (John Hauck) 12. 05:48 PM - firestar 2 trim help (WADE LAWICKI) 13. 06:27 PM - Re: firestar 2 trim help (flyrotax@comcast.net) 14. 06:28 PM - Re: Droop tips (Richard Pike) 15. 07:14 PM - MK III versus Challenger; CGS Hawk Arrow???? (DonMorrisey@netscape.net) 16. 07:20 PM - Re: VAL COM 760 XNSVR WITH HARNESS (Rusty) 17. 07:25 PM - Re: Droop tips (Don Gherardini) 18. 07:26 PM - New engine from Diamond? (WhiskeyVictor36@aol.com) 19. 07:43 PM - Re: MK III versus Challenger; CGS Hawk Arrow???? (Billie Futrell) 20. 08:13 PM - Re: VAL COM 760 XNSVR WITH HARNESS (Denny Rowe) 21. 08:36 PM - Re: MK III versus Challenger; CGS Hawk Arrow???? (Richard Pike) 22. 09:17 PM - Re: MK III versus Challenger; CGS Hawk Arrow???? (Dave & Eve Pelletier) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:21:50 AM PST US From: "John Williamson" Subject: Kolb-List: Sun'nFun Awards --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Williamson" >-> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Martin" >>Does anyone have pics of these outstanding planes? Here is a photo of Pauls's Reserve-Grand Champion Ultralight: Kolb FireStar: http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot/2005_Flights/sunnfun2005/100_3264.JPG Here is a photo that has Anthony's Outstanding Lightplane:Kolb Mark III Xtra in it: ttp://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot/2005_Flights/sunnfun2005/100_3269.JPG John Williamson Arlington, TX Kolb Kolbra, Rotax 912ULS, 748 hours http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot do not archive ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:42:29 AM PST US From: bryan green Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Sun'nFun Awards --> Kolb-List message posted by: bryan green Two fine looking planes for sure. Thanks for the pictures John. Do not archive Bryan Green Elgin SC John Williamson wrote: >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Williamson" > > > >>-> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Martin" >> >> >>>Does anyone have pics of these outstanding planes? >>> >>> > > >Here is a photo of Pauls's Reserve-Grand Champion Ultralight: Kolb FireStar: >http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot/2005_Flights/sunnfun2005/100_3264.JPG > >Here is a photo that has Anthony's Outstanding Lightplane:Kolb Mark III Xtra >in it: >ttp://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot/2005_Flights/sunnfun2005/100_3269.JPG > > >John Williamson >Arlington, TX > >Kolb Kolbra, Rotax 912ULS, 748 hours >http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot > >do not archive > > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:42:32 AM PST US From: bryan green Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Sun'nFun Awards --> Kolb-List message posted by: bryan green Two fine looking planes for sure. Thanks for the pictures John. Do not archive Bryan Green Elgin SC John Williamson wrote: >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Williamson" > > > >>-> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Martin" >> >> >>>Does anyone have pics of these outstanding planes? >>> >>> > > >Here is a photo of Pauls's Reserve-Grand Champion Ultralight: Kolb FireStar: >http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot/2005_Flights/sunnfun2005/100_3264.JPG > >Here is a photo that has Anthony's Outstanding Lightplane:Kolb Mark III Xtra >in it: >ttp://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot/2005_Flights/sunnfun2005/100_3269.JPG > > >John Williamson >Arlington, TX > >Kolb Kolbra, Rotax 912ULS, 748 hours >http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot > >do not archive > > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 12:49:00 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Kolb-List: VAL COM 760 XNSVR WITH HARNESS --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" Hi Gang: Anyone out there own a VAL COM 760 XNSVR WITH HARNESS? My hearing is getting so bad I can not understand what is being transmitted with my little ICOM A3, which I operate at max volume. I believe I could do a better job of communicating if I had a radio that would put out more audio power. The VAL and ICOM put out 5W audio, but the VAL is about $120.00 cheaper than the ICOM. Another route might be Active Noise Reduction headset. Was reading an ad from Lightspeed. They said by removing a lot of the noise one would have a better chance of hearing what was being communicated rather than all the racket. Anyone have any experience with ANR and small hand held VHF rigs like my ICOM A3? My primary problem is when I fly with other Kolbs and small experimentals and ULs. Talking to ATC facilities and GA aircraft with powerful radios is not a problem for me to hear and understand. Thanks, john h MKIII ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 01:54:31 PM PST US From: "Don Gherardini" Subject: Kolb-List: Droop tips --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" HI men and welcome back from the land of Sun'n'Fun. Hope all who went made it back safe and sound. My question for all is has anyone ever seen a Kolb with droop tips such as on a TEAM or Titan?...any expieriences here? As I was sitting here study'n the tips of my FireFly on a cold and rainy day, It occured to me that of its diminutive 22 ft span, it really does not have 22 ft of good airfoil due to the taper of the top surface for the outboard 18 inchs. This of course is the signature look of a Kolb wing we have all come so accustomed to. I began to wonder just how much more lift a Kolb wing might have if it were of a consistant thickness out to the tip with a nice glass drooptip on it. Numbers in my head came and It appears at the first consideration that if a FireFly with its 100 sq ft of wing just had 1 foot more on each wing...that 10 square ft of lifting surface 10% more lift might be available , without really extending the wingspan. That would come in pretty handy for that extra large gas tank I have been hauling around and all the other stuff I always want to take with me, and would be double handy when landing with a near full load of fuel. Might even pay back the investment if it kept me from bending another gear leg someday. Share you thought with me on this gents, what do you think??? ...and I will offer apolgy to Dennis S. and Homer for again considering screwing up a perfectly good airplane!!! Don Gherardini FireFly 098 http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 02:33:17 PM PST US From: Charlie England Subject: Re: Kolb-List: VAL COM 760 XNSVR WITH HARNESS --> Kolb-List message posted by: Charlie England John Hauck wrote: >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" > >Hi Gang: > >Anyone out there own a VAL COM 760 XNSVR WITH HARNESS? > >My hearing is getting so bad I can not understand what is being >transmitted with my little ICOM A3, which I operate at max volume. I >believe I could do a better job of communicating if I had a radio that >would put out more audio power. The VAL and ICOM put out 5W audio, >but the VAL is about $120.00 cheaper than the ICOM. > >Another route might be Active Noise Reduction headset. Was reading an >ad from Lightspeed. They said by removing a lot of the noise one >would have a better chance of hearing what was being communicated >rather than all the racket. Anyone have any experience with ANR and >small hand held VHF rigs like my ICOM A3? > >My primary problem is when I fly with other Kolbs and small >experimentals and ULs. Talking to ATC facilities and GA aircraft with >powerful radios is not a problem for me to hear and understand. > >Thanks, > >john h >MKIII > Have you considered just using a small audio amplifier between the icom & your headset? If you're handy with a soldering iron it's not too difficult. An inexpensive car stereo booster amp would raise the volume quite a bit. Using one with an a/c radio isn't going to be 'plug & play' but I'd be happy to walk you through installing one if you are interested. ANR headsets are great for low frequency noise & I like my Lightspeeds, but don't expect much (meaning nothing more than a passive headset) for mid/high freqs like wind noise. Charlie (just back from a half-hour ride in the back seat of a Robinson R44 Raven, the ultimate 4 seat, 1/4million$ ultralite) ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 02:48:32 PM PST US From: russ kinne Subject: Kolb-List: q --> Kolb-List message posted by: russ kinne Are there any Kolbers in the Seattle area who'd have time for little gab-fest this Friday (4/29) or over the weekend? Russ Kinne ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 02:49:27 PM PST US From: "Jim O'Day" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: VAL COM 760 XNSVR WITH HARNESS - ANR Comments --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jim O'Day" I have some ANR comments. I have been flying with ANR for at least 10+ years it is the solution for better communications. Today I have a Telex and Light Speed set and prefer the Light Speed because of its weight and comfort. The Telex goes for about 40 hours on a pair of 9 V batteries and the LS uses 2- AA and they last for ~ 20 hours. The Light Speed has a cool feature where I can plug in a MP3 player or CD player and it delivers stereo and mutes when the AC radio is active. The LS also has a cell phone cable which is really nice to make or take a call a call (on the ground of course). My AME told me 10 years ago to price "hearing aids" and then go buy a ANR headset. I have had the Telex ANR 10 years now and it is a rugged system and the factory service is excellent. It has failed 2 times and both times I sent it back I got a NEW set. The first time it was free and the second it cost me $89. I bought the LS at OSH last summer and have had no problems. It makes such a difference for communications it is a MUST HAVE item for my regular (business)-plane flying. Keep a set of fresh batteries with you and you will be communicating better as well as being more comfortable. Am I sold on ANR - you bet. I admit I do not have a ANR for my FS but I do use a helmet/headset system with ear-plugs, but I only fly my FS a tiny number of hours compared to my other flying (plus I rarely have anyone to talk to on the radio). But if I was a continent trecker like John, I would figure out a way of retrofitting my set-up. Fly safe, Jim O'Day FSII do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hauck" Subject: Kolb-List: VAL COM 760 XNSVR WITH HARNESS > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" > > Hi Gang: > > Anyone out there own a VAL COM 760 XNSVR WITH HARNESS? > > My hearing is getting so bad I can not understand what is being > transmitted with my little ICOM A3, which I operate at max volume. I > believe I could do a better job of communicating if I had a radio that > would put out more audio power. The VAL and ICOM put out 5W audio, > but the VAL is about $120.00 cheaper than the ICOM. > > Another route might be Active Noise Reduction headset. Was reading an > ad from Lightspeed. They said by removing a lot of the noise one > would have a better chance of hearing what was being communicated > rather than all the racket. Anyone have any experience with ANR and > small hand held VHF rigs like my ICOM A3? > > My primary problem is when I fly with other Kolbs and small > experimentals and ULs. Talking to ATC facilities and GA aircraft with > powerful radios is not a problem for me to hear and understand. > > Thanks, > > john h > MKIII > > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 03:03:36 PM PST US From: "Edward Chmielewski" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: VAL COM 760 XNSVR WITH HARNESS --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Edward Chmielewski" Hi John & All, I know what you mean about hearing loss! My upper register is about gone. I use ANR headsets in most of the aircraft I fly, and can highly recommend the Headsets, Inc., add-on ANR system. It's about $160, takes a short evening to put in, is very durable, and works as well as the $1K Bose/Dave Clarks/Sennheisers I use in corporate turboprops. I know Miss P'fer may be noisy, but sit in a Merlin IIIB with 2 howling Garretts 4 feet away and you'll find they can be pretty noisy too. Turning the ANR on is akin to placing a large pillow over each ear. Truly remarkable. The radio volume jumps 50% too, due to the noise isolation. Use the silicone earseals also, as they seal around glasses and allow the ANR to work to its best. Good Luck, Ed in JXN (MI!) MkII/503 ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hauck" Subject: Kolb-List: VAL COM 760 XNSVR WITH HARNESS > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" > > Hi Gang: > > Anyone out there own a VAL COM 760 XNSVR WITH HARNESS? > > My hearing is getting so bad I can not understand what is being > transmitted with my little ICOM A3, which I operate at max volume. I > believe I could do a better job of communicating if I had a radio that > would put out more audio power. The VAL and ICOM put out 5W audio, > but the VAL is about $120.00 cheaper than the ICOM. > > Another route might be Active Noise Reduction headset. Was reading an > ad from Lightspeed. They said by removing a lot of the noise one > would have a better chance of hearing what was being communicated > rather than all the racket. Anyone have any experience with ANR and > small hand held VHF rigs like my ICOM A3? > > My primary problem is when I fly with other Kolbs and small > experimentals and ULs. Talking to ATC facilities and GA aircraft with > powerful radios is not a problem for me to hear and understand. > > Thanks, > > john h > MKIII > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 04:04:41 PM PST US From: "Kirk Smith" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Droop tips --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kirk Smith" > FireFly with its 100 sq ft of wing just had 1 foot more on each wing...that > 10 square ft of lifting surface 10% more lift might be available , without > really extending the wingspan. It's not just the extra 10% but the location of that extra 10%. 10% more on the wing ends would put more stress on the wing and lift strut than 10% at the root. Do not archive ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 05:08:13 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Kolb-List: ANR/Radios --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" Thanks to all who responded to my request for info. I will try out a Lightspeed ANR and someone is sending me. Then make a decision to buy and upgrade my DC 10-13.4 headset for $160.00. From what I understand, the ANR will shut down enough noise to help me hear voice communications better. Thanks again, john h ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 05:48:51 PM PST US From: WADE LAWICKI Subject: Kolb-List: firestar 2 trim help --> Kolb-List message posted by: WADE LAWICKI group, im in need of trimming assistance from the group. after my initial few flights i adjusted a heavy left wing problem, control horns adjusted. now i need pitch trim help, i have to hold forward stick over 55 mph, not alot but annoying on a long trip. im looking for elevator trim tab info, vg info. this has to do with me only weighing 155# i suppose. thanks for your support,just wanting to get it right the first time around. wade fs 2 # 1030 do not archive ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 06:27:30 PM PST US From: flyrotax@comcast.net Subject: Re: Kolb-List: firestar 2 trim help --> Kolb-List message posted by: flyrotax@comcast.net Wade, Try ajusting the aileron push rods in the direction to lower the traling edge. This will pick up the back of the wing and lower the nose. Try one turn at the time, it will not take much. Bill Alexander Firestar 2 Trenton Flyers,SC Do not archive -------------- Original message -------------- > --> Kolb-List message posted by: WADE LAWICKI > > group, > im in need of trimming assistance from the group. after my initial few > flights i adjusted a heavy left wing problem, control horns adjusted. now i need > pitch trim help, i have to hold forward stick over 55 mph, not alot but annoying > on a long trip. im looking for elevator trim tab info, vg info. this has to do > with me only weighing 155# i suppose. thanks for your support,just wanting to > get it right the first time around. > > wade > fs 2 # 1030 > do not archive > > > > > > Wade, Try ajusting the aileron push rods in the direction to lower the traling edge. This will pick up the back of the wing and lower the nose. Try one turn at the time, it will not take much. Bill Alexander Firestar 2 Trenton Flyers,SC Do not archive -------------- Original message -------------- -- Kolb-List message posted by: WADE LAWICKI group, im in need of trimming assistance from the group. after my initial few flights i adjusted a heavy left wing problem, control horns adjusted. now i need pitch trim help, i have to hold forward stick over 55 mph, not alot but annoying on a long trip. im looking for elevator trim tab info, vg info. this has to do with me only weighing 155# i suppose. thanks for your support,just wanting to get it right the first time around. wade fs 2 # 1030 do not archive ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 06:28:51 PM PST US From: Richard Pike Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Droop tips --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike There was a thread on droop tips a few years ago - probably in the archives - and seems I remember somebody - Dennis? - don't remember - saying that Old Kolb tried droop tips and the present shape worked better. I suggest you go for the Porcupine Effect. We have played with the vortex generators on the FSII for the last two weeks and concluded that they improve climb rate by 200' a minute and lower the stall speed by 5 mph. They also change the handling qualities of the airplane so that at three or four mph above it's current +-30 mph stall speed, the airplane feels like it is flying 50 mph in terms of solid handling. If they do that for the FSII, they ought to do something similar for the Firefly. Something I have noticed with the VG's is that it is now possible to land dragging the tailwheel into the grass well before the mains touch down, which suggests that the wing is working longer and harder into the stall and flare. Perhaps that extra lift would accomplish what you are looking for with your higher wing loading? Without changing the way the load is distributed across the length of the wing, and thereby giving a better margin of safety? I would prefer a normal sized wing that works harder and hangs on longer at a higher angle of attack to a longer wing that applies stress in new areas that I am unqualified to appraise for stress loading. Since it was windy and rainy all day, we spent the day removing the VG's from their taped on temporary position, cleaning off the tape goo, and preparing them for permanent attachment. We have come up with a very novel method of spacing them out on the wing which makes establishing the ideal location completely fool proof. Should have pictures posted by next weekend. PS - There is no way our's will look as good as yours - keep up the good work! Richard Pike Firestar II N582EF (Ed's 582 Firestar) At 03:56 PM 4/23/2005 -0500, you wrote: >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" > >HI men and welcome back from the land of Sun'n'Fun. Hope all who went made >it back safe and sound. >My question for all is has anyone ever seen a Kolb with droop tips such as >on a TEAM or Titan?...any expieriences here? > >As I was sitting here study'n the tips of my FireFly on a cold and rainy >day, It occured to me that of its diminutive 22 ft span, it really does not >have 22 ft of good airfoil due to the taper of the top surface for the >outboard 18 inchs. This of course is the signature look of a Kolb wing we >have all come so accustomed to. >I began to wonder just how much more lift a Kolb wing might have if it were >of a consistant thickness out to the tip with a nice glass drooptip on it. >Numbers in my head came and It appears at the first consideration that if a >FireFly with its 100 sq ft of wing just had 1 foot more on each wing...that >10 square ft of lifting surface 10% more lift might be available , without >really extending the wingspan. That would come in pretty handy for that >extra large gas tank I have been hauling around and all the other stuff I >always want to take with me, and would be double handy when landing with a >near full load of fuel. Might even pay back the investment if it kept me >from bending another gear leg someday. > >Share you thought with me on this gents, what do you think??? > >...and I will offer apolgy to Dennis S. and Homer for again considering >screwing up a perfectly good airplane!!! > >Don Gherardini >FireFly 098 >http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 07:14:34 PM PST US From: DonMorrisey@netscape.net Subject: Kolb-List: MK III versus Challenger; CGS Hawk Arrow???? --> Kolb-List message posted by: DonMorrisey@netscape.net Hello list members. I joined several weeks ago and have been soaking up the info. Lot's of good advice. I've made the decision to build my own airplane and am leaning toward the Kolb MK III. I have also looked into the Challenger and CGS Hawk Arrow. I know I might be asking this question to an audience that has a special interest (since you all built and fly Kolb aircraft) but I am sure that each of you went thorugh the same process that I'm going through right now. What made you decide on a Kolb? In your opinion what were the most important characteristics of the Kolb when comparing it to competitors? Any info and insight would be greatly appreciated by this novice would-be builder. As a point of information I am a licensed pilot with 150+ hours in primarily piper warriors and cessna 172's. Thanks so much. Don... Switch to Netscape Internet Service. As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Netscape. Just the Net You Need. New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 07:20:14 PM PST US From: "Rusty" <13brv3c@bellsouth.net> Subject: RE: Kolb-List: VAL COM 760 XNSVR WITH HARNESS --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Rusty" <13brv3c@bellsouth.net> Hi John, I've had the VAL COM radios in two planes, and have found them to be just dandy for the price. They've got a couple annoying points, but overall, they transmit and receive just fine. I also am a big fan of Lightspeed headsets. Unfortunately, I've found that they don't like high noise environments. In my current rotary engine RV-3, I had trouble in the beginning with my latest 30-3G model. It would pop and crackle, when the ANR was on. LS got it back twice, and could only assume that my cockpit was too loud. They added the old XL style ear foams, and it was much better. It was much better after that, but the popping and crackling didn't completely go away until I made some changes to the exhaust on the plane. "Who cares about your silly rotary engine" you ask :-) Well, these same headsets were completely unusable in the 912S powered SS that I flew home from MS. I actually had to turn off the ANR feature, and just let them be passive, so it would seem the noise level was much higher than with my rotary RV-3. I hope they work for you, but I'm glad you're borrowing a pair to try first. It's possible that other brands, such as the add-on version will tolerate high noise better. I just don't have any experience with anything but the Lightspeed. Cheers, Rusty (RV-3 flying again, so I might finally get around to the single rotor SS) ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 07:25:38 PM PST US From: "Don Gherardini" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Droop tips --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" Brother Pike, Thx for the kind words, I am not deserved. I do have VGs on my fly...and it did the same thing for me...about 4 or 5 mph on the stall.... On the firefly..I generally bring it in over the fence at 50...then level off slowly at about 45...then pull the throttle sloooowly back,,,still...the sink rate gets fast below 45....so at my home airfield which is plenty long...I usually let it touch down at 40 to 45 ...especially if anybody is watching....if I try and get it slower than that...I usually bounce it. This come from being kinda heavy I believe..... The droop tips are only a thought that upon rumination I believed might generate some discussion and possibly be worth starting a topic. It would be alot of trouble to make them thats for sure...need another outboard rib to attach em to...and it would likely need be a stamped style rib instead of the tubing style for a good mateing ...also all the trouble making 2 plugs...then 2 molds...and so on..... I remember how much they helped the airbike....and although I have never piloted any of the MAX series...(V-max, z-max, eros etc.)...I do envy their apparant low speed handleing when I watch them. Don Gherardini FireFly 098 http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 07:26:02 PM PST US From: WhiskeyVictor36@aol.com Subject: Kolb-List: New engine from Diamond? --> Kolb-List message posted by: WhiskeyVictor36@aol.com Courtesy AOPA ePilot Vol 7, Issue 16 April 22, 2005 DIAMOND GOES INTO ENGINE BUSINESS, PLANS NEW PLANT Diamond Aircraft President and CEO Christian Dries dropped some bombs this week at a trade show in Germany. He said that his company is going into the engine manufacturing business with two 101-horsepower mounts, one that runs on avgas and the other on diesel, intended for retrofit on the Diamond Katana and Dimona models. Diamond is producing smaller engines for the ultralight business as well. Dries also said the company is expanding into the simulator business for the DA40 or DA42 equipped with the Garmin G1000 avionics package, and that Diamond is establishing a big new manufacturing plant near Beijing, China. For more on this story and other news from AERO Friedrichshafen, see AOPA Online. ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 07:43:36 PM PST US From: " Billie Futrell" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: MK III versus Challenger; CGS Hawk Arrow???? --> Kolb-List message posted by: " Billie Futrell" Don I considered a Challenger before I bought my Kolb. You being a licensed pilot, the Kolb will fly more like what you have been used to. What I did not like about the Challenger was you had to make all your corrections with the rudder and then follow with ailerons. The Kolb will fly more like a Cessna 150 except when landing. You fly the Kolb all the way down to the ground. If you flair high like you would in a 150 it will drop through with you. Do Not Archive Bill Futrell MK111Xtra ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Kolb-List: MK III versus Challenger; CGS Hawk Arrow???? > --> Kolb-List message posted by: DonMorrisey@netscape.net > > Hello list members. I joined several weeks ago and have been soaking up the info. Lot's of good advice. I've made the decision to build my own airplane and am leaning toward the Kolb MK III. I have also looked into the Challenger and CGS Hawk Arrow. I know I might be asking this question to an audience that has a special interest (since you all built and fly Kolb aircraft) but I am sure that each of you went thorugh the same process that I'm going through right now. What made you decide on a Kolb? In your opinion what were the most important characteristics of the Kolb when comparing it to competitors? Any info and insight would be greatly appreciated by this novice would-be builder. As a point of information I am a licensed pilot with 150+ hours in primarily piper warriors and cessna 172's. Thanks so much. Don... > > > Switch to Netscape Internet Service. > As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register > > Netscape. Just the Net You Need. > > New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer > Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. > Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp > > ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 08:13:07 PM PST US From: "Denny Rowe" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: VAL COM 760 XNSVR WITH HARNESS --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Denny Rowe" > Another route might be Active Noise Reduction headset. Was reading an > ad from Lightspeed. They said by removing a lot of the noise one > would have a better chance of hearing what was being communicated > rather than all the racket. Anyone have any experience with ANR and > small hand held VHF rigs like my ICOM A3? > > My primary problem is when I fly with other Kolbs and small > experimentals and ULs. Talking to ATC facilities and GA aircraft with > powerful radios is not a problem for me to hear and understand. > > Thanks, > > john h > MKIII > > John, I have rode in a 582 powered Buckeye PPC with a friend that used the Lynx headets linked to the tiny Icom radio with no nav. The ANR system in the Lynx was far beyond any other system I have ever tried. It basically took all the engine noise out of the equation and was pretty much like talking on the back porch swing, and I live in the woods. :-) Its pricey, but like the 912, it is the very best if you can swing it. Denny Rowe ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 08:36:57 PM PST US From: Richard Pike Subject: Re: Kolb-List: MK III versus Challenger; CGS Hawk Arrow???? --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike Looked at a Challenger before I got the MKIII. That was years ago and I was more agile then, but getting in and out was much harder then, and if I could have sold tickets for spectators to watch my wife struggling to get in and out of the passenger seat, I could have paid it off in three months. Bummer... Obviously decided not to get one. Plus, one of our chapter club members, who is an airplane junkie (He has 8 airplanes, from a Citation (!) through PPC's, Baby Ace, CGS Hawk, Pober Pixie, Fly Baby, Ercoupe, Taylorcraft, wow...) got a 2 seat Challenger, flew it for ten minutes and sold it, said it was the worst handling thing he was ever in. Probably couldn't be that bad, or they wouldn't still be in business, but makes ya wonder. Hawks fly good, always have. I have flown both, prefer the MKIII. Subjective preference. Most important feature? Steel fuselage, Dope & fabric covering, dirt simple systems, (a friend has fiddled with his Hawk 2-seater for three months trying to keep the control cables from going slack when the stick is moved around. Common problem apparently) and a good support network. Plus, it will haul anything (except sheet lead) than you can stuff into it. And still handle good. If you live near East Tennessee, come visit and I will let you fly one. Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) do not archive At 10:13 PM 4/23/2005 -0400, you wrote: >--> Kolb-List message posted by: DonMorrisey@netscape.net > >Hello list members. I joined several weeks ago and have been soaking up >the info. Lot's of good advice. I've made the decision to build my own >airplane and am leaning toward the Kolb MK III. I have also looked into >the Challenger and CGS Hawk Arrow. I know I might be asking this question >to an audience that has a special interest (since you all built and fly >Kolb aircraft) but I am sure that each of you went thorugh the same >process that I'm going through right now. What made you decide on a >Kolb? In your opinion what were the most important characteristics of the >Kolb when comparing it to competitors? Any info and insight would be >greatly appreciated by this novice would-be builder. As a point of >information I am a licensed pilot with 150+ hours in primarily piper >warriors and cessna 172's. Thanks so much. Don... > > >Switch to Netscape Internet Service. >As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register > >Netscape. Just the Net You Need. > >New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer >Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. >Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp > > ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 09:17:21 PM PST US From: "Dave & Eve Pelletier" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: MK III versus Challenger; CGS Hawk Arrow???? --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dave & Eve Pelletier" Don, The primary thing I was looking for when I bought my Firestar was the ability to trailer it and put it together without a helper - just one person. I didn't know much about ultralights - I only had 20 hours when I bought it - but I got lucky and think I stumbled on the absolute best UL on the market. Since then I've upgraded to the MK III Classic, but the important point is that I can assemble it by myself. I like the idea of no hangar rental fees and I hook the trailer up to my BAMH and go flying all over the place. Good Luck. AzDave Do Not Archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Kolb-List: MK III versus Challenger; CGS Hawk Arrow???? > --> Kolb-List message posted by: DonMorrisey@netscape.net > > Hello list members. I joined several weeks ago and have been soaking up > the info. Lot's of good advice. I've made the decision to build my own > airplane and am leaning toward the Kolb MK III. I have also looked into > the Challenger and CGS Hawk Arrow. I know I might be asking this question > to an audience that has a special interest (since you all built and fly > Kolb aircraft) but I am sure that each of you went thorugh the same > process that I'm going through right now. What made you decide on a Kolb? > In your opinion what were the most important characteristics of the Kolb > when comparing it to competitors? Any info and insight would be greatly > appreciated by this novice would-be builder. As a point of information I > am a licensed pilot with 150+ hours in primarily piper warriors and cessna > 172's. Thanks so much. Don... > > > Switch to Netscape Internet Service. > As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at > http://isp.netscape.com/register > > Netscape. Just the Net You Need. > > New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer > Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. > Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp > > >