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1. 05:53 AM - Welding (Mike Pierzina)
2. 06:49 AM - Re: FSII vortex generators (John Jung)
3. 01:57 PM - Nother engine (Kirk Smith)
4. 06:41 PM - Brakes (Judy or Larry Gitt)
5. 06:48 PM - Brrrr....! (David L. Bigelow)
6. 07:21 PM - Re: FSII vortex generators (JACK HART)
7. 07:55 PM - Re: FSII vortex generators (Bob N.)
8. 08:00 PM - Re: Brrrr....! (robert bean)
9. 08:44 PM - Re: Brrrr....! (Larry Bourne)
10. 09:46 PM - Re: Brrrr....! (Steve Garvelink)
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Mike Pierzina <planecrazzzy@yahoo.com>
Hey Guys,
Here's my 37 yrs welding $02. ( I'm 49 )
When I was with a Top Fuel Dragster ( 767 "Blair's Fugowie" ) I learned that
the Chrome moly tubing was "only" supposed to be welded with TIG.....NHRA rules.
I have talked to alot of people about my next airplane (Steve Witman - Tailwind)
and the perferd way is to Torch weld it......but if you TIG it (tack with
MIG- faster) you should aneal the tubing afterwards.
Now, I hear some people don't think anealing is nesassery....well, if your IN
& OUTA their like you should be then you should aneal it.....But if your DICKIN
AROUND with it , your probly already anealing it with the TIG.....
Now..... What "I've" done with MY cage is...I preheat the area with a quick
start propane torch and I MIG weld it with hard wire/ CO2
Kolb MIG welded my Firestar Cage , but they didn't preheat before each weld
and alot of the welds started out with "Cold lap" , as you guys with the expensive
powder coat jobs with the RUST leaking down from the joints can testify....
I spent over 40 hrs on my cage cleaning and repairing the welds and if I need
any repairs I'll fix it the same way .....
Gotta Fly...
Mike in MN N381PM
My Web Site:
http://www.geocities.com/planecrazzzy/Planecrazzzy.html
Sometimes you just have to take the leap and build your wings on the way down...
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| Subject: | FSII vortex generators |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Jung <jrjungjr@yahoo.com>
Jack,
Please explain your statement below. It sounds like you are suggesting
that VG's won't help much with slower landing speeds. Am I not
understanding you?
John Jung
> But if one is going to use VG's as a reason to make slower landing
> approaches or to fly slow or establish high climb rates close to the
> ground,
> I wish you luck.
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kirk Smith" <snuffy@usol.com>
http://www.hciaviation.com/
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Judy or Larry Gitt" <gittj@earthlink.net>
I got a pair of Tracy OBrien brake left over from my Kolbra There for sell
$250.oo and here a your for the taking Larry
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "David L. Bigelow" <dlbigelow@verizon.net>
A few months ago, the Kolb 10,000 foot club was recognized on the Kolb List. Today
was a beautiful day here on the Big Island of Hawaii, and just for the heck
of it, I decided to see how high my Rotax 503 powered Firestar 2 would go.
The engine has dual carbs with the high altitude compensation kit installed.
The prop is a 60 inch two blade Powerfin driven by a 2.58 B box.
I bundled up in a snowmobile suit, put on some heavy gloves, and took of from my
pasture strip at the 4,000 foot level on the Mauna Kea west slope. I climbed
at 6400 rpm and topped out at 16,000 feet. The FS was still climbing at about
150 fpm, but the cold and lack of supplemental oxygen made me decide to quit
there. I think it would have topped out at about 18,000. Over here, we don't
have positive controlled airspace above us, so there were no hassles with ATC.
EGT ranged from 990 at the start of climb to 940 at the top of climb. It
took about 40 minutes to get up there. The whole flight was 1:25 and used 5
gallons of gas.
Never thought I'd get a stock ultralight that high.
Dave Bigelow
FS2
Kamuela, Hawaii
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| Subject: | FSII vortex generators |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: JACK HART <jbhart@ldd.net>
John,
No, landing speed will be reduced if one holds the plane off as speed falls after
the landing flare. I feel that no one should fly an ultra light close to the
ground at any other speed than slightly below cruise speed or higher. Low
mass and dragy aircraft will bite you quicker that the heavier ga types. And
so you must be quicker in your response to stay ahead of the ultra light. If
you run out of wind, loose lift or engine at low speed close to the ground, VG's
are not going to keep you from bending your landing gear, the cage, or your
self. During slow flight altitude is your friend. When in the landing pattern
speed is your friend as it reduces the chances of dropping or stalling a wing
and spinning in. The FireFly slips very well so one can make high approaches
at speed to keep control function crisp right up to the flare into ground effect.
Then hold it off and let the VG's do their thing.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
-----Original Message-----
From: John Jung <jrjungjr@yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: FSII vortex generators
--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Jung <jrjungjr@yahoo.com>
Jack,
Please explain your statement below. It sounds like you are suggesting
that VG's won't help much with slower landing speeds. Am I not
understanding you?
John Jung
> But if one is going to use VG's as a reason to make slower landing
> approaches or to fly slow or establish high climb rates close to the
> ground,
> I wish you luck.
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| Subject: | Re: FSII vortex generators |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bob N." <ronoy@shentel.net>
Jack,
Good to see you made it to (the other) Winchester.
Bob N.
do not archive
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
Dave, extremely impressive. Did you bring a camera along?
-BB do not archive
On 30, Apr 2005, at 9:48 PM, David L. Bigelow wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "David L. Bigelow"
> <dlbigelow@verizon.net>
>
> A few months ago, the Kolb 10,000 foot club was recognized on the Kolb
> List. Today was a beautiful day here on the Big Island of Hawaii, and
> just for the heck of it, I decided to see how high my Rotax 503
> powered Firestar 2 would go. The engine has dual carbs with the high
> altitude compensation kit installed. The prop is a 60 inch two blade
> Powerfin driven by a 2.58 B box.
>
> I bundled up in a snowmobile suit, put on some heavy gloves, and took
> of from my pasture strip at the 4,000 foot level on the Mauna Kea west
> slope. I climbed at 6400 rpm and topped out at 16,000 feet. The FS
> was still climbing at about 150 fpm, but the cold and lack of
> supplemental oxygen made me decide to quit there. I think it would
> have topped out at about 18,000. Over here, we don't have positive
> controlled airspace above us, so there were no hassles with ATC. EGT
> ranged from 990 at the start of climb to 940 at the top of climb. It
> took about 40 minutes to get up there. The whole flight was 1:25 and
> used 5 gallons of gas.
>
> Never thought I'd get a stock ultralight that high.
>
> Dave Bigelow
> FS2
> Kamuela, Hawaii
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Thought they were all beautiful days in Hawaii........?? Nice going.
Brrrrrr for me, too. Lar. Do not Archive.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Building Kolb Mk III
N78LB Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "David L. Bigelow" <dlbigelow@verizon.net>
Subject: Kolb-List: Brrrr....!
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "David L. Bigelow"
> <dlbigelow@verizon.net>
>
> A few months ago, the Kolb 10,000 foot club was recognized on the Kolb
> List. Today was a beautiful day here on the Big Island of Hawaii, and
> just for the heck of it, I decided to see how high my Rotax 503 powered
> Firestar 2 would go. The engine has dual carbs with the high altitude
> compensation kit installed. The prop is a 60 inch two blade Powerfin
> driven by a 2.58 B box.
>
> I bundled up in a snowmobile suit, put on some heavy gloves, and took of
> from my pasture strip at the 4,000 foot level on the Mauna Kea west slope.
> I climbed at 6400 rpm and topped out at 16,000 feet. The FS was still
> climbing at about 150 fpm, but the cold and lack of supplemental oxygen
> made me decide to quit there. I think it would have topped out at about
> 18,000. Over here, we don't have positive controlled airspace above us,
> so there were no hassles with ATC. EGT ranged from 990 at the start of
> climb to 940 at the top of climb. It took about 40 minutes to get up
> there. The whole flight was 1:25 and used 5 gallons of gas.
>
> Never thought I'd get a stock ultralight that high.
>
> Dave Bigelow
> FS2
> Kamuela, Hawaii
>
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Steve Garvelink" <link@cdc.net>
New Club,
16,000 foot club?
There you go always tryin to get to the front of the line.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry Bourne
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Brrrr....!
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Thought they were all beautiful days in Hawaii........?? Nice going.
Brrrrrr for me, too. Lar. Do not
Archive.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Building Kolb Mk III
N78LB Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "David L. Bigelow" <dlbigelow@verizon.net>
Subject: Kolb-List: Brrrr....!
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "David L. Bigelow"
> <dlbigelow@verizon.net>
>
> A few months ago, the Kolb 10,000 foot club was recognized on the Kolb
> List. Today was a beautiful day here on the Big Island of Hawaii, and
> just for the heck of it, I decided to see how high my Rotax 503
powered
> Firestar 2 would go. The engine has dual carbs with the high altitude
> compensation kit installed. The prop is a 60 inch two blade Powerfin
> driven by a 2.58 B box.
>
> I bundled up in a snowmobile suit, put on some heavy gloves, and took
of
> from my pasture strip at the 4,000 foot level on the Mauna Kea west
slope.
> I climbed at 6400 rpm and topped out at 16,000 feet. The FS was still
> climbing at about 150 fpm, but the cold and lack of supplemental
oxygen
> made me decide to quit there. I think it would have topped out at
about
> 18,000. Over here, we don't have positive controlled airspace above
us,
> so there were no hassles with ATC. EGT ranged from 990 at the start
of
> climb to 940 at the top of climb. It took about 40 minutes to get up
> there. The whole flight was 1:25 and used 5 gallons of gas.
>
> Never thought I'd get a stock ultralight that high.
>
> Dave Bigelow
> FS2
> Kamuela, Hawaii
>
>
>
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