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1. 12:04 AM - Re: [ Mike Pierzina ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! (Larry Bourne)
2. 12:04 AM - Re: [ Lloyd McFarlane ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! (Larry Bourne)
3. 08:22 AM - FSII VG update (Richard Pike)
4. 01:12 PM - ultralight to sportpilot (Charles & Meredith Blackwell)
5. 02:52 PM - Re: Re: MK III versus Challenger; CGS Hawk Arrow???? (PATRICK LADD)
6. 03:23 PM - ultralight to sport pilot (Lanny Fetterman)
7. 04:23 PM - ANR Headset in a Firestar (John Jung)
8. 04:59 PM - Re: ANR Headset in a Firestar (Mark Murphy)
9. 05:11 PM - Mk3c/912, Sentimental Journey (H MITCHELL)
10. 06:04 PM - Re: Brrrr... (David L. Bigelow)
11. 06:47 PM - Re: Mk3c/912, Sentimental Journey (N27SB@aol.com)
12. 06:47 PM - Re: ANR Headset in a Firestar (John Hauck)
13. 07:43 PM - Re: FSII VG update (Richard Swiderwski)
14. 08:55 PM - Re: ultralight to sport pilot (DAquaNut@aol.com)
15. 09:17 PM - Re: FSII VG update (Richard Pike)
16. 09:43 PM - Re: ANR Headset in a Firestar (J.D. Stewart)
17. 09:52 PM - Re: (DAquaNut@aol.com)
18. 10:13 PM - Re: ANR Headset in a Firestar (Larry Cottrell)
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| Subject: | Re: [ Mike Pierzina ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
What a tremendous amount of thought and work, Mike. Very nice.
Lar. Do not Archive.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Building Kolb Mk III
N78LB Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Email List Photo Shares" <pictures@matronics.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: [ Mike Pierzina ] : New Email List Photo Share
Available!
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> A new Email List Photo Share is available:
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> Poster: Mike Pierzina <planecrazzzy@yahoo.com>
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> Lists: Kolb-List,Ultralight-List
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> Subject: 21 ft airplane on 10 ft trailer...
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> http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/planecrazzzy@yahoo.com.05.02.2005/index.html
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> o Main Photo Share Index
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| Subject: | Re: [ Lloyd McFarlane ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Very nice, Lloyd. It's been years since I spoke with you.
Lar. Do not Archive.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Building Kolb Mk III
N78LB Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Email List Photo Shares" <pictures@matronics.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: [ Lloyd McFarlane ] : New Email List Photo Share
Available!
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> A new Email List Photo Share is available:
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> Poster: Lloyd McFarlane <lrmcf@ix.netcom.com>
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> Lists: Kolb-List,Ultralight-List
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> Subject: Kolb FireStar II
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> http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/lrmcf@ix.netcom.com.05.02.2005/index.html
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> o Main Photo Share Index
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> o Submitting a Photo Share
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> following information along with your email message and files:
>
> 1) Email List or Lists that they are related to:
> 2) Your Full Name:
> 3) Your Email Address:
> 4) One line Subject description:
> 5) Multi-line, multi-paragraph description of topic:
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org>
A little bit ago I posted to the list the placement of the vortex
generators on the FSII, and a link to the web page. Got several quizzical
inquiries concerning the placement of the vg's, and some good constructive
criticism. Took it to heart and thought it over, removed the 14 inboard vg's.
Flew without the inboard vg's, moved them back, flew some more, moved them
around, flew some more, and then duplicated the pattern of the vg's on the
outboard half of the wing. Ka-ching!
Thanks guys, especially Topher, your criticism was well intentioned and
timely. It now stalls 1 mph slower, stall is now more straight ahead and
gentle than before, less likely to roll off to either wing, and slow flight
is even better.
Here is a link to the page with the new placement,
http://www.bcchapel.org/pages/0003/kolb.htm
Click on FSII vg's.
Moral to the story - as it says in Proverbs 11:14,
"Where there is no advice, the people fall,
but in the multitude of counsellors, there is safety."
Hmmm... - Wonder how King Solomon knew about the Kolb list...?
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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| Subject: | ultralight to sportpilot |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Charles & Meredith Blackwell <wozani@optonline.net>
Found for sale on the EAA website a conversion kit for ultralights to transition to exp. LSA thanks to the Ultraflight Radio Show. Link is http://www.sportpilot.org/news/050405_elsa.html
Looks like when the time comes this is an easy way to go, has all the paperwork
in one place along with instructions. My local FAA guy is still telling me unofficially
to wait a few months for people to settle into the idea and iron out
the bumps and for some DARs to come up to speed.
If anyone is going through this process already with a plane they did not build,
please share the process.
Charlie, MKII in NJ
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| Subject: | Re: MK III versus Challenger; CGS Hawk Arrow???? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "PATRICK LADD" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
Hi David,
just clearing my backlog of mail and saw your query.
One thing which is unarguable, the Challenger is a darn sight easier to
build.
The fuselage comes welded up, no jigs required. Many parts have been
preassembled, knocked down, and you only have to put them together again.
The wings are held square by the two struts. No adjustment on the struts,
the untouched factory product will ensure the wings are ok.
I fly mine open cockpit, no doors. Very comfortable in the front, a bit
draughty in the rear.
Every one laughs at the wire between the u/c legs but I have had no trouble
and have certainly not encountered the problems which seem inherent in the
Kolb.
If Challenger offerred a 4 stroke engine it would be very hard to decide. As
it is i bought a kolb and fitted a Jabiru engine . It is nearly finished soI
hope to be able to compare the 2 a/c better soon. The assembly of the Kolb
has not been straightforward. Grinding of parts to fit, discrepancies in the
plans, factory kits not made up correctly, 2 engine mounts made
inaccurately ( Kolbs buy them in) Not good enough.
Nevertheless after seeing the Xtra at Sun n Fun and at our main ultralight
fair in the UK last weekend I can`t wait to get mine into the air.
Cheers
Pat
do not archive
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| Subject: | ultralight to sport pilot |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Lanny Fetterman <donaho@csrlink.net>
I read that EAA , USUA and ASC are asking for revisions to part 103,
mostly increasing the 254 lb. weight limit. At this time I am waiting to
see what happens with that. Is anyone else on the list in a holding
pattern? Any thoughts why this may be a mistake? Lanny
Fetterman FSII flown as a single place aircraft.
Do not
archive
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| Subject: | ANR Headset in a Firestar |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Jung <jrjungjr@yahoo.com>
Group,
I promised to give report on the use of a $299. DRE 6000 headset in my
Firestar. This is it.
My new headset was delivered last night, and today I took a 170 mile
trip with a couple other planes with radios. I started out with the DRE
2000 that i had been using. It has very good passive noise reduction,
but no active. After getting accustomed to the sound, I changed to the
new 6000 set. The passive part seemed just like the 2000. Then I pushed
the ON switch.
Wow!
It was every bit as impressive as any demo that I had heard. After 2.5
hours of flying with it, I am very pleased. It did what I wanted, which
was to reduce the prop noise and make flying more comfortable for my
ears. But it did more than that. It made it much easier to make out
what others were saying.
If I had known that an ANR headset would work as well in my plane as
the simulated demos they do, I would have owned on a long time ago. But
I had heard that they don't work well with Rotax engine sounds. I can't
speak for others, but I have a 503 with a 68 inch, 2 blade IVO, and the
DRE 6000 does a very good job in my plane.
Oh, if anyone wants to borrow the new DRE to do there own test, come to
Monument Valley on the 20th. I'll be there with my plane and the new
headset.
John Jung
Firestar II
Surprise, AZ
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| Subject: | Re: ANR Headset in a Firestar |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Mark Murphy" <mbmurphy@verizon.net>
I always wore my Lightspeed 3G-twenty headset in my J-3 Kitten with a Rotax
503 and 3 blade warp drive prop. The noise was deafening without it and
barely audible with it. I will never fly without an ANR headset again.
On another note, does anyone have any thoughts on the Rotax 618 engine?
Thanks, Murf
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Jung" <jrjungjr@yahoo.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: ANR Headset in a Firestar
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: John Jung <jrjungjr@yahoo.com>
>
> Group,
>
> I promised to give report on the use of a $299. DRE 6000 headset in my
> Firestar. This is it.
>
> My new headset was delivered last night, and today I took a 170 mile
> trip with a couple other planes with radios. I started out with the DRE
> 2000 that i had been using. It has very good passive noise reduction,
> but no active. After getting accustomed to the sound, I changed to the
> new 6000 set. The passive part seemed just like the 2000. Then I pushed
> the ON switch.
>
> Wow!
>
> It was every bit as impressive as any demo that I had heard. After 2.5
> hours of flying with it, I am very pleased. It did what I wanted, which
> was to reduce the prop noise and make flying more comfortable for my
> ears. But it did more than that. It made it much easier to make out
> what others were saying.
>
> If I had known that an ANR headset would work as well in my plane as
> the simulated demos they do, I would have owned on a long time ago. But
> I had heard that they don't work well with Rotax engine sounds. I can't
> speak for others, but I have a 503 with a 68 inch, 2 blade IVO, and the
> DRE 6000 does a very good job in my plane.
>
> Oh, if anyone wants to borrow the new DRE to do there own test, come to
> Monument Valley on the 20th. I'll be there with my plane and the new
> headset.
>
> John Jung
> Firestar II
> Surprise, AZ
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Mk3c/912, Sentimental Journey |
Seal-Send-Time: Tue, 3 May 2005 20:10:45 -0400
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "H MITCHELL" <mitchmnd@msn.com>
Rolled 7078A out of the hangar at sunrise this AM, did a thorough preflight and
headed West for Doyle Langford's strip near Malone, Alabama. The air was smooth
as silk and and there was only a few stringy clouds wa-a-ay up there. It was
chilly at 3,000' and I was glad I had my long underwear on. Approaching the
area I called Doyle on a pre-arranged frequency and told him where I was. He replied
that he and some others were there at the strip and waiting for my arrival.
A few minutes later he said "look down you are over the field". From 2500'
feet I saw one very narrow looking strip among surrounding farm fields and dropped
down for a low pass. Sure enough, there it was with power lines at the
South end just as he had described. "We are all here watching" he announced. I
did my best to concentrate on my approach but I could not help notice the folks
standing by the strip. This was one of my better touchdowns and I had plenty
of runway left. I turned around and taxied back to where the little group was
standing and shut down the engine. "You've done that before" Doyle called. There
were handshakes and intros all around and could see they were all eager to
get a close look at my bird.
Tom Replogle, the new owner, was happy to have the plane at it's new location and
we had a long chat about the way she likes to fly. After we rolled her to the
new hangar, chocked her in place and had a chance to cover about everything
there is to talk about while waiting for my wife to pick me up. Tom has a private
ticket and has been flying a two-place powered parachute for the last few
years. He is going to keep the P'chute while he takes some Kolb transition training
in the Kolb. As personable as he is, he will be welcome member of the group.
I gave him the site address for this list and he will be joining us soon.
When my wife arrived I felt like Cowboy Bob saying goodbye to "Old Paint".
P.S.
When I talked to Tom for the first time I learned that he was one of my son's playmates
when we lived on Merritt Island and I worked at the Space Center 30+
years ago. 'Small world and getting smaller.
Duane the plane Mitchell, Nothing to fly.
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "David L. Bigelow" <dlbigelow@verizon.net>
I am surprised at all the interest in my FS2 16,000 foot flight. I'm in the process
of putting Vortex Generators on the wing, and also making a more efficient
gap cover. I'll have to try it again some time after those mods are in place
and see if it makes any difference.
I made the flight over the saddle area of the Big Island between Mauna Kea and
Mauna Loa, two very big rocks nearly 14,000 feet high. The weather conditions
were very clear with about 100 miles visibility. The wind was light and variable
on the surface, and from the west about 25 mph at the tops of the mountains.
That area of the saddle contains the Pohakuloa Military Training Area, a
live fire artillery range. There is a restricted area R-3103 surrounding the
training area, which was not active that day. When active, the area is closed
from the surface to 30,000 feet. I figured I could accomplish something while
humming along to altitude, that being fly the boundary of the restricted area
and get it on my GPS map for future avoidance of the area.
The air was very smooth all the way up. Ground speed on the west bound leg was
about 25 mph near the top of climb. Best climb speed with my Firestar seems
to be about 45-47 mph indicated. I should have taken my camera - will next time.
Lots of volcanic haze (vog) at the lower altitudes, but could see Haleakala
(10,000 feet) on Maui sticking up through the vog.
Several years back, I flew a DG-400 sailplane to 27,000 over Oahu in mountain wave
lift. That time I could see all the islands. That's a story for another
day.
Dave Bigelow
FS2
Kamuela, Hawaii
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| Subject: | Re: Mk3c/912, Sentimental Journey |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: N27SB@aol.com
In a message dated 5/3/2005 8:11:45 PM Eastern Standard Time,
mitchmnd@msn.com writes:
> Duane the plane Mitchell, Nothing to fly.
>
>
Don't worry Duane, if you don't mind gettin your feet wet you can fly Old 007
anytime.
Steve
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| Subject: | Re: ANR Headset in a Firestar |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
my
| Firestar. | John Jung
John J/Gang:
Your report was very good news.
I have a DRE6000, but no time to test fly with it yet. I did put them
on and parade around the house. My house is pretty quiet, but turning
the headset on and off I could hear the refrigerator running, then
make it go completely away. Well, my MKIII cockpit it a bit more
noisy. Hopefully, I will be able to knock down some of the racket,
which is very fatiguing on a long cross country flight, plus hear and
understand other radio transmissions better.
BTW: I purchased my DRE6000 on the internet from Avionics West of
Tennessee for $279.00 plus shipping.
Here is their website address which includes a good article on testing
the DRE6000:
http://www.avionicswest.com/articles/DRE6000enr.html#6000
john h
MKIII - 2,286.4 hours
912S - 940.5
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard Swiderwski" <rswiderski@earthlink.net>
Richard,
So how did the location of the end result differ from your original
placement? ...Richard swiderski
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Pike
Subject: Kolb-List: FSII VG update
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org>
A little bit ago I posted to the list the placement of the vortex
generators on the FSII, and a link to the web page. Got several quizzical
inquiries concerning the placement of the vg's, and some good constructive
criticism. Took it to heart and thought it over, removed the 14 inboard
vg's.
Flew without the inboard vg's, moved them back, flew some more, moved them
around, flew some more, and then duplicated the pattern of the vg's on the
outboard half of the wing. Ka-ching!
Thanks guys, especially Topher, your criticism was well intentioned and
timely. It now stalls 1 mph slower, stall is now more straight ahead and
gentle than before, less likely to roll off to either wing, and slow flight
is even better.
Here is a link to the page with the new placement,
http://www.bcchapel.org/pages/0003/kolb.htm
Click on FSII vg's.
Moral to the story - as it says in Proverbs 11:14,
"Where there is no advice, the people fall,
but in the multitude of counsellors, there is safety."
Hmmm... - Wonder how King Solomon knew about the Kolb list...?
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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| Subject: | Re: ultralight to sport pilot |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: DAquaNut@aol.com
In a message dated 5/3/2005 5:24:37 P.M. Central Standard Time,
donaho@csrlink.net writes:
I read that EAA , USUA and ASC are asking for revisions to part 103,
mostly increasing the 254 lb. weight limit. At this time I am waiting to
see what happens with that. Is anyone else on the list in a holding
pattern? Any thoughts why this may be a mistake? Lanny
Fetterman FSII flown as a single place aircraft.
Does that equate to more regulation like the Sport Pilot created?
Ed
Do not archive
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org>
The original placement had the seven inboard vg's all in a line, and a bit
forward of the rest. My thinking was that since the FSII wing has a deeper
chord including the ailerons toward the tip, that it would be better to
maintain a vg placement of 10% of the chord. So the inboard vg's were at
10%, which made them a bit forward of the outboard vg's.
That proved to be erroneous, Topher argued that the ailerons don't affect
the airfoil that much, and should not affect the chord placement of the
vg's. I thought about it, and decided that he was probably right. So we
removed the inboard vg's that were forward, flew the airplane, and the
stall was at a slightly higher airspeed, but more straight ahead and
predictable. So we moved the inboard vg's around, tried various options,
finally staggered them, and got both a slower stall and a more predictable
stall. Also a stall that is less inclined to drop a wing. Much better
overall. (Thanks, Topher)
By the way, I am not convinced that a stagger of the vg's is the best
method by any means, I suspect that there is one ideal spot that would be
better than a staggered placement. But my health has not been the best
lately, I have not been up for flying through extensive testing, and the
owner is hot to fly to Lumberton in two weeks, so I "shotgunned" a
solution, hedging my bets by spreading the vg's out via a stagger, and it
works. Is it the best possible solution? Probably not, but it still works a
lot better than no vg's at all, (reducing stall speed & slow flight speed
by 5-7 mph is cool no matter if a bit of compromise is involved) and so far
has no adverse characteristics that we could find. The owner is happy, so I
quit while I was ahead.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
At 10:43 PM 5/3/2005 -0400, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard Swiderwski"
><rswiderski@earthlink.net>
>
>Richard,
> So how did the location of the end result differ from your original
>placement? ...Richard swiderski
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Pike
>To: kolb-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Kolb-List: FSII VG update
>
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org>
>
>A little bit ago I posted to the list the placement of the vortex
>generators on the FSII, and a link to the web page. Got several quizzical
>inquiries concerning the placement of the vg's, and some good constructive
>criticism. Took it to heart and thought it over, removed the 14 inboard
>vg's.
>
>Flew without the inboard vg's, moved them back, flew some more, moved them
>around, flew some more, and then duplicated the pattern of the vg's on the
>outboard half of the wing. Ka-ching!
>
>Thanks guys, especially Topher, your criticism was well intentioned and
>timely. It now stalls 1 mph slower, stall is now more straight ahead and
>gentle than before, less likely to roll off to either wing, and slow flight
>is even better.
>
>Here is a link to the page with the new placement,
>http://www.bcchapel.org/pages/0003/kolb.htm
>Click on FSII vg's.
>
>Moral to the story - as it says in Proverbs 11:14,
>"Where there is no advice, the people fall,
>but in the multitude of counsellors, there is safety."
>
>Hmmm... - Wonder how King Solomon knew about the Kolb list...?
>
>Richard Pike
>MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
>
>
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| Subject: | ANR Headset in a Firestar |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "J.D. Stewart" <jstewart@inebraska.com>
I also just got a DRE6000 to run in my Titan/912S, but haven't flown with
it yet. I hope to do so this weekend. I just finished installing their
244e intercom also.
I e-mailed the DRE factory and got it for $275 + free shipping, when I
asked about a SnF special price. The address was cs@drecomm.com
I also have a Telex 50-D, and love them. From other owners reports, I'm
expecting the DREs to work as well. Hope this helps.
J.D. Stewart
UltraFun AirSports, LLC
www.ultrafunairsports.com
Titan Aircraft E-mail list
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Titanaircraft/
Challenger E-mail list
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FlyChallenger/
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
>
> | I promised to give report on the use of a $299. DRE 6000 headset in
> my
>
> John J/Gang:
>
> Your report was very good news.
>
> I have a DRE6000, but no time to test fly with it yet. I did put them
> on and parade around the house. My house is pretty quiet, but turning
> the headset on and off I could hear the refrigerator running, then
> make it go completely away. Well, my MKIII cockpit it a bit more
> noisy. Hopefully, I will be able to knock down some of the racket,
> which is very fatiguing on a long cross country flight, plus hear and
> understand other radio transmissions better.
>
> BTW: I purchased my DRE6000 on the internet from Avionics West of
> Tennessee for $279.00 plus shipping.
>
> Here is their website address which includes a good article on testing
> the DRE6000:
>
> http://www.avionicswest.com/articles/DRE6000enr.html#6000
>
> john h
>
> MKIII - 2,286.4 hours
> 912S - 940.5
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: DAquaNut@aol.com
List,
Finally got my 6" plastic azusa wheels. Any body have any experience
with brakes on this particular wheel? Any pictures of the factory brakes
for a firefly and the 6'' plastic wheels on a Firefly?.
Ed (in Hou.)
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Cottrell" <lcottrel@kfalls.net>
----- Original Message -----
From: "J.D. Stewart" <jstewart@inebraska.com>
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: ANR Headset in a Firestar
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "J.D. Stewart" <jstewart@inebraska.com>
>
> I also just got a DRE6000 to run in my Titan/912S, but haven't
> flown with
> it yet. I hope to do so this weekend. I just finished installing their
> 244e intercom also.
>
OK guys,
How does this "wonder set" work with other systems. Do you need other
patch cords to use with a Icom a3 and a sig. intercom? Or will they all
work. I currently have a Sig S 40 headset.
Larry, Oregon
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