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1. 12:08 AM - Re: Firefly spinning beahavior (Larry Bourne)
2. 01:36 AM - Re: Firestar 2 Vortex Generator Tests (David L. Bigelow)
3. 04:49 AM - Re: Re: Firestar 2 Vortex Generator Tests (robert bean)
4. 04:49 AM - MV (John Hauck)
5. 08:57 AM - strut covers (b young)
6. 09:40 AM - Re: MV (neilsenrm05@comcast.net)
7. 01:52 PM - MV (John Jung)
8. 02:12 PM - Re: MV (Gherkins Tim-rp3420)
9. 06:05 PM - Re: strut covers (Bob N.)
10. 06:24 PM - MV (Larry Bourne)
11. 08:19 PM - monument valley (b young)
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| Subject: | Re: Firefly spinning beahavior |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Gotta chuckle. After meeting you, I really have trouble merging Beauford
and Bill Tuton in my alleged mind. Thanks for the ongoing grins, amigo.
Sad ol' Lar...........still beating my head against the wall trying to
decide what to do this weekend - MV or not to MV. For 1 day ?? 600 - 700
miles, each way ?? To see or not to see everyone after all the
anticipation. Aaaaaarrrrgghh ! ! ! Do
not Archive.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Building Kolb Mk III
N78LB Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Beauford" <beauford@tampabay.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Firefly spinning beahavior
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Beauford" <beauford@tampabay.rr.com>
>
> Brother Jones...
> Re: your spin fetish...
>
> All I can address is my own machine... FF #076...
> Yessir, it will certainly spin with great gusto if pushed... I tried it in
> both directions, just for curiosity's sake... that little machine will
> wrap
> right up if left to its' own devices...
>
> Recovery for my kite was conventional ... release back pressure and apply
> opposite rudder....
> It stopped rotation in one half of one turn and resumed normal aviation in
> a
> second or two...
> My amateur observations: I had to force it to spin... it did not have a
> proclivity for spinning, but had to be enticed to do so... It quit the
> business immediately when offered an opportunity.
>
> My curiosity was fully satisfied...
>
> I wish you well in your experimentation drills... Keep track of the
> surface,
> sir.... it tends to be spectacularly unforgiving of miscalculation...
>
> As far as the remainder of what you should know.... buy low... sell
> high...
>
> Worth what you paid for it...
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Beauford of Brandon, FL
> FF# 076
> Do Not archive
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "kevin-jones" <kevin-jones@snet.net>
> To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Kolb-List: Firefly spinning beahavior
>
>
>> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "kevin-jones" <kevin-jones@snet.net>
>>
>> At long last I have a Kolb aircraft. It is a firefly which I bought
>> from Ed Reilly. I am going to give it a try soon. When I take a plane up
>> for the first time it is my practice to try a few stalls. Usually I have
>> plenty of people to ask but this time I don't. So I go to the source. How
>> does the Firefly stall? Does it try to spin? Is there any difficulty
>> getting it out of a spin? What should I know?
>> Kevin Jones
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Firestar 2 Vortex Generator Tests |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "David L. Bigelow" <dlbigelow@verizon.net>
Richard,
I added some extra dihedral to my Firestar too. With the stock dihedral, there
is almost no yaw/roll coupling, and the aircraft has spiral instability (once
banked, the bank continues to increase unless control input is made). I also
put small bendable aluminun trim tabs on one aileron and the rudder. It will
now fly hands off, and rudder inputs (hands off the stick) will eventually translate
to roll in the same direction. There may be some reduction in roll rate
because of the added dihedral, but not enough to be significant.
Nice job on the web page - lot of good hints. I think I'll do the stablizer bracket
mod and remove the lead weights from the nose. No sense flying around with
6 lb of extra weight
Dave Bigelow
FS2
Kamuela, Hawaii
"Pitch stability? Firestars have pitch stability? Wow... <grin>
Yes, it still has some stability. Some.
With the extra dihedral it has, it will fly hands off no problem."
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| Subject: | Re: Firestar 2 Vortex Generator Tests |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
Dave and lift strut builders, that will be my next project (when I
again muster up the
ambition). I miss using rudder input for minor wing leveling too.
Annoying to
have to wiggle the butter churn constantly in slight thermal conditions.
And a steep turn should require only back pressure once your angle is
set.
From the heft of my struts, I imagine I should shed about 5 lbs with a
set of
welded up streamline steel.
-BB do not archive
On 17, May 2005, at 4:35 AM, David L. Bigelow wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "David L. Bigelow"
> <dlbigelow@verizon.net>
>
> Richard,
>
> I added some extra dihedral to my Firestar too. With the stock
> dihedral, there is almost no yaw/roll coupling, and the aircraft has
> spiral instability (once banked, the bank continues to increase unless
> control input is made). I also put small bendable aluminun trim tabs
> on one aileron and the rudder. It will now fly hands off, and rudder
> inputs (hands off the stick) will eventually translate to roll in the
> same direction. There may be some reduction in roll rate because of
> the added dihedral, but not enough to be significant.
>
> Nice job on the web page - lot of good hints. I think I'll do the
> stablizer bracket mod and remove the lead weights from the nose. No
> sense flying around with 6 lb of extra weight
>
> Dave Bigelow
> FS2
> Kamuela, Hawaii
>
> "Pitch stability? Firestars have pitch stability? Wow... <grin>
> Yes, it still has some stability. Some.
> With the extra dihedral it has, it will fly hands off no problem."
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Morning Gang:
Still working on the first cup of coffee.
Packed and ready to go. Will go back through some bags to toss out
stuff I do not need, and insure I have everything I do need. It is so
easy to over pack. In a little airplane, that ain't good.
Weather looks great for today. May even luck out and get a little
tail wind. Hope to make Love County Airport, Marietta, OK, this
evening, around 636 miles. Will make for a good day's flying. If I
get off here at 0900, I'll have 12 hours of day light to fly today.
At 75 mph ground speed will take 8+30 flight time, but we are going to
get a little help from the wind, soooooo we can probably guess at 8 or
less hours today.
Tomorrow will be another story, but only 7 hours flight time. Winds
will be topping out at 24 mph out of the south and then the west.
Will be trying to make Sandia East Air Park on the east side of Sandia
Mountain, from Albuquerque, NM. Always seem to have a head wind
coming into the Albuquerque area from Santa Rosa, along the
Interstate. Have to look over and watch the 18 wheelers outrun me
while my ASI is indicating 85 mph. Oh well, I don't have to look over
there. ;-)
Thursday, will be a short day, 2+30, unless I do not make good time
Wednesday. Winds are supposed to be favorable to get me into MV.
Looking forward to seeing everybody.
Take care,
john h
334-315-2621 cell
PS: Looking for my first Navajo Taco when I get to Goulding's, and a
pot of coffee to go with it. ;-)
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "b young" <by0ung@brigham.net>
Still, I'd use the bottom of
the wing for reference, it's easier to measure.
Tom Kuffel
Whitefish, MT
Building Original FireStar
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
i am with tom
i used the wing for mine.... my thinking was along the lines of ( i think
it was the builder of the balanka ) he thought that every drag producing item
on the aircraft should produce lift if at all possible..... so by installing
the streemlined covers at the same angle of attack as the bottom of the wing....
and if they would create even enough lift to cary their weight, so much
the better.
boyd
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: neilsenrm05@comcast.net
Morning All
I'm in Mesa, Az seeing my parents. I plan to drive up to MV on Friday and back
on Sunday. I have my camping gear and will be camping with the gang. Is there
anyone in the area that would like to share the ride with me. Contact me off
the list or call my parents number here at 480-984-7991
Also I tried to call Craig Nelson at the number on the Kolb data base so that I
could get a first hand look at his airplane and the cowling on his MKIIIx but
the number is not in service. If you are out there and wouldn't mind brief visit
please get back with me
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW powered MKIIIc
-------------- Original message --------------
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck"
>
> Morning Gang:
>
> Still working on the first cup of coffee.
>
Morning All
I'm in Mesa, Az seeing my parents. I plan to drive up to MV on Friday and back
on Sunday. I have my camping gear and will be camping with the gang. Is there
anyone in thearea that would like to share the ride with me. Contact me off the
list or call my parents number here at 480-984-7991
Also I tried to call Craig Nelson at the number on the Kolb data base so that I
could get a first hand look at his airplane and the cowling on his MKIIIx but
the number is not in service. If you are out there and wouldn't mind brief visit
please get back with me
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW powered MKIIIc
-------------- Original message --------------
-- Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <JHAUCK@ELMORE.RR.COM>
Morning Gang:
Still working on the first cup of coffee.
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Jung <jrjungjr@yahoo.com>
MV Group,
My Firestar is fueled, oiled, packed, and inspected. I
plan to take off from Buckeye Muni Thursday morning
and arrive at MV sometime in the afternoon. I will be
stopping at Wickenburg to top off with fuel, then on
to Valle for fuel, a rest and a vist to their aviation
museum. After that, I'll stop at Tuba City to top off
and them on to Monument Valley. Total miles is 316.
That's not far for some, but it will be my longest
cross-country. Plus, it is over some very remote and
rugged country. I'm looking forward to the flight as
well the weekend of visiting and flying.
John Jung
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Gherkins Tim-rp3420 <rp3420@freescale.com>
Rick,
Uncle Craig is out of town at this moment, and won't be getting in til late sat.
night. I'll be glad to meet with you and show you his Xtra. We are in Gilbert-
Lindsey & Guadalupe area. I'll give you a call at your parents home.
Tim Gherkins
FSII/Xtra
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of neilsenrm05@comcast.net
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: MV
--> Kolb-List message posted by: neilsenrm05@comcast.net
Morning All
I'm in Mesa, Az seeing my parents. I plan to drive up to MV on Friday and back
on Sunday. I have my camping gear and will be camping with the gang. Is there
anyone in the area that would like to share the ride with me. Contact me off
the list or call my parents number here at 480-984-7991
Also I tried to call Craig Nelson at the number on the Kolb data base so that I
could get a first hand look at his airplane and the cowling on his MKIIIx but
the number is not in service. If you are out there and wouldn't mind brief visit
please get back with me
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW powered MKIIIc
-------------- Original message --------------
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck"
>
> Morning Gang:
>
> Still working on the first cup of coffee.
>
Morning All
I'm in Mesa, Az seeing my parents. I plan to drive up to MV on Friday and back
on Sunday. I have my camping gear and will be camping with the gang. Is there
anyone in thearea that would like to share the ride with me. Contact me off the
list or call my parents number here at 480-984-7991
Also I tried to call Craig Nelson at the number on the Kolb data base so that I
could get a first hand look at his airplane and the cowling on his MKIIIx but
the number is not in service. If you are out there and wouldn't mind brief visit
please get back with me
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW powered MKIIIc
-------------- Original message --------------
-- Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <JHAUCK@ELMORE.RR.COM>
Morning Gang:
Still working on the first cup of coffee.
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| Subject: | Re: strut covers |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bob N." <ronoy@shentel.net>
Although this is not Kolb-list specific, I've had some experience in
strut coverings. On my Cessna Cardinal, in the process of cleaning up a
lot of drag, I installed new gear leg covers. Tufted the originals and
found they were almost completely stalled at cruising! Made new covers,
much wider, tufted them, and adjusted. At the angle of min. drag (smooth
tufts) they were about same angle as bottom of wing.
Bob N.
http://www.angelfire.com/rpg/ronoy/
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Can't stand it. That durned ol' John Hauck hadta go and mention those Navajo Tacos,
and my mouth started watering. If'n you've never tried one, you're missing
a real treat. 'Sides, I promised Jim Hefner a look at a couple of photo books
I have, and can't back out on that, now can I ?? Not to mention seeing the
rest of the crew up there, and maybe bumming a ride or 3. Truck's all dieseled
up and camper's already loaded with everything but perishables and personals,
so I'll leave Palm Springs on Thursday afternoon, (my Friday) and camp partway;
prob'ly in Kingman, AZ, then be in MV by noon Friday. Leave there on
Sat afternoon around 3 or 4 PM, and camp in Flagstaff or Kingman, and be home
in time for work on Sunday aft at 3:30 PM. Like I just told Tim off List - when
you gotta go, you gotta go. It's only about a 1500 mile round trip. Nuffing
to it. Long Legged Lar. Do not Archive.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Building Kolb Mk III
N78LB Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "b young" <by0ung@brigham.net>
i just got an email from jim heffner, he has arrived at monument valley
early and found that the tiedown cables have been removed..... you will
need to bring your own tiedowns and anchors....... jim will try and see
if he can get the management to get something installed before we arrive but
is not sure it will happen.... he also mentioned that the ground is
extreemely hard after all the moisture recieved there this winter.....
i am leaving tomorrow ( wed ) morning, eric weaver has had van trouble
but has gone on to plan 2 and pulling his trailor with another truck.... i
hope to see as many there as possib le.
boyd
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