---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 05/18/05: 9 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 09:58 AM - Firefly guys... (Jeremy Casey) 2. 12:14 PM - Re: Firefly guys... (N27SB@aol.com) 3. 05:40 PM - Fatal crash near Mobile, AL (Comcast) 4. 06:26 PM - aileron spades (jimmy and jo ann) 5. 07:03 PM - MV Update (Larry Bourne) 6. 07:35 PM - Re: Fatal crash near Mobile, AL (Rusty) 7. 07:43 PM - Re: aileron spades (Richard Pike) 8. 09:34 PM - Re: MV Update (Larry Cottrell) 9. 09:47 PM - Re: MV Update (Larry Bourne) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 09:58:12 AM PST US From: "Jeremy Casey" Subject: Kolb-List: Firefly guys... --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jeremy Casey" The "why" for this question is kinda long, but I would like to know a couple of measurements from a Firefly. First would be the distance from the bolt at the fuselage H-section to the rear end of the tube. Second would be the distance from the inboard face of the inboard steel rib to the H-section bolt. Also what is the actual end-end length of the wing? (Figuring approx. 10'2.) Thanks a ton. Jeremy Casey KiloCharlie Drafting, Inc. jeremy@kilocharlie.us ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 12:14:00 PM PST US From: N27SB@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Firefly guys... --> Kolb-List message posted by: N27SB@aol.com In a message dated 5/18/2005 12:58:52 PM Eastern Standard Time, n79rt@kilocharlie.us writes: > > The "why" for this question is kinda long, but I would like to know a > couple of measurements from a Firefly. First would be the distance from > the bolt at the fuselage H-section to the rear end of the tube. Second > would be the distance from the inboard face of the inboard steel rib to > the H-section bolt. Also what is the actual end-end length of the wing? > (Figuring approx. 10'2.) > > Thanks a ton. > > Jeremy Casey > First would be the distance from the bolt at the fuselage H-section to the rear end of the tube. 114.5" Second would be the distance from the inboard face of the inboard steel rib to the H-section bolt. 44" (inboard face to CL of bolt) Note, The Firefly does not have a wing H-section ala Firestar or MK III. but I used the mount bolt of the Aft strut. Also what is the actual end-end length of the wing? (Figuring approx. 10'2.) 123" (inboard face of rib to wing tip) Steve Boetto FF #007 Old Kolb ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:40:43 PM PST US From: Comcast Subject: Kolb-List: Fatal crash near Mobile, AL --> Kolb-List message posted by: Comcast Talking to my dad In Mobile, Al, today, and he mentioned a crash in St Elmo, south west of Mobile. I know there are some Kolber's in the area, but it looks like a canard type aircraft. (Based on a different web site) On another note, I am closing next week on a house in Malvern, PA, next to Phoenixville. Should anyone desire a place to sleep while attending the Kolb Home Coming at Homer's drop me a line off list. Chuck Davis FF 028 ***************************************** From WKRG.Com Authorities have indentified the pilot killed in a plane crash in St. Elmo Monday afternoon. He's 57 year old Paul Conner of Grand Bay. Mobile County Sheriff's Deputies got a call right before 4:00 of a paought ne crash west of R.P.Crigler, Senior Aeroplex in St. Elmo. Christina Bowersox with the Mobile County Sheriff's Department says, "An experimental aircraft upon takeoff crashed into a heavy wooded area." Deputies brought in a county pbulic works crew to get to the scene. Bowersox says, "They brought in some equipment like little machetes and little chainsaws and a chipper and cleared a path to the site." The pilot, 57 year old Paul Conner, was killed. Deputies say he was an experienced pilot who retired from the Army and owned the plane. Other pilots at the airport didn't want to talk. People who live in the area came to the crash site to offer their help. Darryl Vonsahlo of Grand Bay says, "We just came to offer to use a "bobcat" with a brush cutter to go in and brush cut to them, but they got some help already so they don't need it." June McLendon lives in a trailer home with her grandmother near the crash on the west side of the airport. She says her grandmother has worried about planes taking off and landing at the airport. McLendon says, "She's scared of those planes, she's so worried that they're going to come over the trailer one day and hit." Investigators don't know what caused the crash. Officials with the National Transportation Safety Board and the Federal Aviation Administration have been on the scene investigating. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:26:31 PM PST US From: "jimmy and jo ann" Subject: Kolb-List: aileron spades --> Kolb-List message posted by: "jimmy and jo ann" Will try this again; my last try evidently did not go out. Have any of you tried spades on the kolb ailerons? I have changed the leverage on my bellcrank on FSII, but ailerons still seem heavy--and not very responsive. If so, what improvement do you get, and what is the consensus on structural integrity of our ailerons with spades? Thanks. Jimmy ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:03:40 PM PST US From: "Larry Bourne" Subject: Kolb-List: MV Update --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" Sometimes it pays to be Mr. Good Guy after all. Once in a while. In spite of the old "good guys finish last" mantra. Today at lunch, I mentioned to the other guys that I'm going to MV in spite of everything, and will be back on Sun. for my regular swing shift. One of the others finished up his lunch and about 5 minutes later said, "you know, for years, every time there's a holiday, you worked for us so we could be with our families, and if we needed a day off you always covered us..........so now it's my turn. Let me call my wife and see if we can cancel our plans on Sunday night." (I work swing shift on Sundays and Mondays) He did, she OK'ed it, and so I'll work the following Sat for him and give him a long weekend. In return, I'll be able to spend an extra day at MV. Now, THAT makes me feel good. :-) Boss kinda hung his head, and said that I could leave early tomorrow if I like. Yah, I like. HeeeCom..........! ! ! Ecstatic Lar. Do not Archive. Larry Bourne Palm Springs, CA Building Kolb Mk III N78LB Vamoose www.gogittum.com ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:35:53 PM PST US From: "Rusty" <13brv3c@bellsouth.net> Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Fatal crash near Mobile, AL --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Rusty" <13brv3c@bellsouth.net> Talking to my dad In Mobile, Al, today, and he mentioned a crash in St Elmo, south west of Mobile. I know there are some Kolber's in the area, but it looks like a canard type aircraft. (Based on a different web site) --------------- The aircraft was a Mazda 13B powered SQ2000, built and flown by Paul Conner. He was a regular on the rotary list, and a hell of a nice guy. I almost flew over to surprise him with another visit last Saturday, but didn't. I figured I'd have plenty of opportunities... I was wrong :-( Rusty Mazda 13B rotary powered RV-3 (flying) Kolb Slingshot (Mazda single rotor project) Do not archive ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:43:46 PM PST US From: Richard Pike Subject: Re: Kolb-List: aileron spades --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike Before you go to the trouble of spades - try leading into your turns with a lot more rudder. The FSII likes that and seems to respond quicker if you treat it as a rudder first airplane. Once you lead with rudder and then follow with the ailerons, it becomes a lot more responsive. As far as using spades - something I have noticed is that the inboard half of the aileron tube torques when you try and use a lot of aileron. Next time you fly, watch one of the ailerons while you cram the stick over as far as it will go. The aileron hardly moves - the tube is twisting. So if you decide to try spades, be careful. I am not sure the aileron tubes are up to what might happen if the spades decided they wanted to run the show. Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) At 08:24 PM 5/18/2005 -0500, you wrote: >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "jimmy and jo ann" > >Will try this again; my last try evidently did not go out. Have any of >you tried spades on the kolb ailerons? I have changed the leverage on my >bellcrank on FSII, but ailerons still seem heavy--and not very responsive. >If so, what improvement do you get, and what is the consensus on >structural integrity of our ailerons with spades? > >Thanks. > >Jimmy ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:34:10 PM PST US From: "Larry Cottrell" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: MV Update --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Cottrell" Good for you Larry, they say "even a blind hog finds an acorn every once and a while" Enjoy! Larry, Oregon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Bourne" Subject: Kolb-List: MV Update do not archive ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:47:27 PM PST US From: "Larry Bourne" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: MV Update --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" See ya there. :-) Do not Archive. Larry Bourne Palm Springs, CA Building Kolb Mk III N78LB Vamoose www.gogittum.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Cottrell" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: MV Update > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Cottrell" > > Good for you Larry, they say "even a blind hog finds an acorn every once > and > a while" Enjoy! > Larry, Oregon > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Larry Bourne" > To: > Subject: Kolb-List: MV Update > > do not archive > > >