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1. 03:12 AM - Re: Monument Valley (GeoR38@aol.com)
2. 06:19 AM - Homer Fly-In (Denny Rowe)
3. 09:27 AM - New organization and flyins (ray anderson)
4. 09:54 AM - Re: New organization and flyins (Bill Wheet)
5. 10:19 AM - Re: Monument Valley (George T. Alexander, Jr.)
6. 11:08 AM - Re: New organization and flyins (George E. Thompson)
7. 01:21 PM - Re: New organization and flyins (Kirk Smith)
8. 01:45 PM - Rip off (Don Martin)
9. 03:25 PM - Re: New organization and flyins (Jerry Curtin)
10. 04:17 PM - turncoat, money grabbing scoundrels (George Bass)
11. 04:30 PM - Re: Rip off (robert bean)
12. 06:45 PM - Re: Rip off (Don Martin)
13. 06:49 PM - Firestar Spiral Instability (David L. Bigelow)
14. 06:53 PM - Re: New organization and fly ins (Jack & Louise Hart)
15. 07:06 PM - Re: New organization and flyins (bryan green)
16. 07:09 PM - Re: Rip off (Don Martin)
17. 07:52 PM - Re: Monument Valley (George T. Alexander, Jr.)
18. 08:04 PM - Re: turncoat, money grabbing scoundrels (DAquaNut@aol.com)
19. 08:42 PM - Kolb List: HAPPY MEMORIAL DAY (Wayne T. McCullough)
20. 09:28 PM - Re: New organization and flyins (ElleryWeld@aol.com)
21. 10:27 PM - Re: Firestar Spiral Instability (Richard Pike)
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| Subject: | Re: Monument Valley |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: GeoR38@aol.com
In a message dated 5/25/2005 1:44:28 AM Eastern Standard Time,
eagle1@commspeed.net writes:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "George E. Thompson" <eagle1@commspeed.net>
>
>
> I stayed with Az Dave and wife in his BAM. I drove up to MV because I had to
>
> get back to attend to business.Dave and I with his wife had just returned
> from a trip to the Czech Republic. Why would anyone go to the Czech Republic
>
> you may ask. Well it turned out that My 16th Armored Division under General
> George S.Patton was the very first Allied troupes and tanks into Plisen the
> second largest city in the area. So this all happened 60 years ago in 1945,
> The Czech Government invited all us old Vets to come back and help celebrate
>
> the 60th university of there Liberation. Unfortunately only 15 from our
> Division were able to make the trip. Fortunately I was one of them. Anyway,
> we each got a nice 60th Liberation medal from the President himself. Also
> went on over to Prague where the Mayor gave each of us a Gold medal. There
> you have it in a nutshell.
> Boring to some, interesting to others.
> Az. Bald Eagle
>
Wow!!!....not boring at all!! totally NEATO!! You have just identified
some reasons for living, I would say, but then again what do I know, I'm just a
young whippersnapper of only 66, too young for the "big one". BTW, ....thank
you very much for stepping up when the need was there. We younguns really do
appreciate it.
George Randolph,
Firestar driver in The Villages, Fl
(almost ready to fly, ...after Frances)
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Denny Rowe" <rowedl@highstream.net>
Kolbers,
Came to the realization yesterday morning that the second annual Homers place fly-in
is out of my reach this year due to set backs on my hanger construction
as well as other events out of my control.
In fact its looking more and more like aviating at all during what we jokingly
refer to as Summer, may be out.
I hope all who make it have a fun and safe time and hopefully by next Spring I'll
have my deal ready .
Denny "singing the no hanger blues" Rowe
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| Subject: | New organization and flyins |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: ray anderson <rsanoa@yahoo.com>
To all,
I guess all Kolbers and other homebuilders, kit buyers, ultralights,
experimenters, gyrocopters and wannabe flyers and pilots who can't plunk down
$100,000 - $300,000 have come to the harsh realization that Son-and-Fun, EAA
and all of the old groups, have washed their hands in regards to the above mentioned
groups. These guys have found the moneyed guys who are only interested
in the slick high performance, off the shelf, ready to fly planes, are where
these organizations have found the cash cows to line their pockets. EAA still
pretends to have an interest in us, yeah, yeah, sure they do, ha, ha. They give
token show to our interests just to keep that money tree from membership dues
alive.
I believe the time has come for the categories I mentioned, plus like minded
groups and individuals to do what these others did 20-50 years ago. Organize
and find a suitable and willing location, promote and hold an annual flyin
with nothing but kit type planes allowed to buy exhibit space. No elaborate,
expensive airshows catering to the non builder public, no off the shelf planes
allowed exhibit space. Make everything affordable to everyone. Have ongoing forums
every day as they used to, showing how to build with wood, fiberglass, welding,covering
and finishing, and lots of guys answering questions. That is what
drew the crowds at early
EAA flyins.
What do you think and is there some of you out there who would contact
other like minded groups that have sites on the matronics listings who have a
primary interest in these aims? Unfortunately I can't get into all of this with
both feet at the moment because of very serious health problems and old age,
87, but I would certainly do what I can. I'm just tired of seeing the small,
heart of the light plane segment of aviation being ripped off by these turncoat,
money grabbing scoundrels.
We have the potential among all of these like minded groups to be far larger
and stronger than when EAA and Sun and Fun started. Lets take it back from
the big monied interests.
I have a couple of ideas of location for it and I'm sure some of you do
also.
Ray
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| Subject: | Re: New organization and flyins |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bill Wheet" <wheet@metrocast.net>
COME TO THE YANKEE ULTRALIGHT FLYIN CAMPIN
Greenland NH 7/9/05_7/16/05 we do light planes Yup Yup
Bill Wheet
Pres. YUL Club
http://www.mv.com/ipusers/hetcon/
----- Original Message -----
From: "ray anderson" <rsanoa@yahoo.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: New organization and flyins
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: ray anderson <rsanoa@yahoo.com>
>
> To all,
> I guess all Kolbers and other homebuilders, kit buyers,
> ultralights, experimenters, gyrocopters and wannabe flyers and pilots who
> can't plunk down $100,000 - $300,000 have come to the harsh realization
> that Son-and-Fun, EAA and all of the old groups, have washed their hands
> in regards to the above mentioned groups. These guys have found the
> moneyed guys who are only interested in the slick high performance, off
> the shelf, ready to fly planes, are where these organizations have found
> the cash cows to line their pockets. EAA still pretends to have an
> interest in us, yeah, yeah, sure they do, ha, ha. They give token show to
> our interests just to keep that money tree from membership dues alive.
> I believe the time has come for the categories I mentioned, plus
> like minded groups and individuals to do what these others did 20-50 years
> ago. Organize and find a suitable and willing location, promote and hold
> an annual flyin with nothing but kit type planes allowed to buy exhibit
> space. No elaborate, expensive airshows catering to the non builder
> public, no off the shelf planes allowed exhibit space. Make everything
> affordable to everyone. Have ongoing forums every day as they used to,
> showing how to build with wood, fiberglass, welding,covering and
> finishing, and lots of guys answering questions. That is what drew the
> crowds at early
> EAA flyins.
> What do you think and is there some of you out there who would
> contact other like minded groups that have sites on the matronics listings
> who have a primary interest in these aims? Unfortunately I can't get into
> all of this with both feet at the moment because of very serious health
> problems and old age, 87, but I would certainly do what I can. I'm just
> tired of seeing the small, heart of the light plane segment of aviation
> being ripped off by these turncoat, money grabbing scoundrels.
> We have the potential among all of these like minded groups to be
> far larger and stronger than when EAA and Sun and Fun started. Lets take
> it back from the big monied interests.
> I have a couple of ideas of location for it and I'm sure some of
> you do also.
>
> Ray
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Monument Valley |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "George T. Alexander, Jr." <gtalexander@att.net>
Kolb Listers:
Have uploaded a video that Will Uribe sent. It is a large (Real
Audio/Video), file of 3.8MB. If they don't throw us off because of
bandwidth, enjoy. Would suggest that for viewing more than once (and you,
like I, probably will want to), download it to your machine and save it for
viewing from there.)
Great job of editing and putting together by Will. Thanks Will!
http://home.comcast.net/~kolbflyer/
Thanks,
George Alexander
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: New organization and flyins |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "George E. Thompson" <eagle1@commspeed.net>
Well said Ray. I have thought along these same lines for the past ten or so
years. But it is becoming much more pronounced in the past 3 or 4 years.
Alas. I like you, have past my prime flying time as I will never see 8o
years again.
The Az. Bald Eagle
----- Original Message -----
From: "ray anderson" <rsanoa@yahoo.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: New organization and flyins
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: ray anderson <rsanoa@yahoo.com>
>
> To all,
> I guess all Kolbers and other homebuilders, kit buyers,
> ultralights, experimenters, gyrocopters and wannabe flyers and pilots who
> can't plunk down $100,000 - $300,000 have come to the harsh realization
> that Son-and-Fun, EAA and all of the old groups, have washed their hands
> in regards to the above mentioned groups. These guys have found the
> moneyed guys who are only interested in the slick high performance, off
> the shelf, ready to fly planes, are where these organizations have found
> the cash cows to line their pockets. EAA still pretends to have an
> interest in us, yeah, yeah, sure they do, ha, ha. They give token show to
> our interests just to keep that money tree from membership dues alive.
> I believe the time has come for the categories I mentioned, plus
> like minded groups and individuals to do what these others did 20-50 years
> ago. Organize and find a suitable and willing location, promote and hold
> an annual flyin with nothing but kit type planes allowed to buy exhibit
> space. No elaborate, expensive airshows catering to the non builder
> public, no off the shelf planes allowed exhibit space. Make everything
> affordable to everyone. Have ongoing forums every day as they used to,
> showing how to build with wood, fiberglass, welding,covering and
> finishing, and lots of guys answering questions. That is what drew the
> crowds at early
> EAA flyins.
> What do you think and is there some of you out there who would
> contact other like minded groups that have sites on the matronics listings
> who have a primary interest in these aims? Unfortunately I can't get into
> all of this with both feet at the moment because of very serious health
> problems and old age, 87, but I would certainly do what I can. I'm just
> tired of seeing the small, heart of the light plane segment of aviation
> being ripped off by these turncoat, money grabbing scoundrels.
> We have the potential among all of these like minded groups to be
> far larger and stronger than when EAA and Sun and Fun started. Lets take
> it back from the big monied interests.
> I have a couple of ideas of location for it and I'm sure some of
> you do also.
>
> Ray
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: New organization and flyins |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kirk Smith" <snuffy@usol.com>
> To all,
> I guess all Kolbers and other homebuilders, kit buyers,
ultralights, experimenters, gyrocopters and wannabe flyers and pilots who
can't plunk down $100,000 - $300,000 have come to the harsh realization that
Son-and-Fun, EAA and all of the old groups, have washed their hands in
regards to the above mentioned groups. These guys have found the moneyed
guys who are only interested in the slick high performance, off the shelf,
ready to fly planes, are where these organizations have found the cash cows
to line their pockets. EAA still pretends to have an interest in us, yeah,
yeah, sure they do, ha, ha. They give token show to our interests just to
keep that money tree from membership dues alive.
> I believe the time has come for the categories I mentioned, plus
like minded groups and individuals to do what these others did 20-50 years
ago. Organize and find a suitable and willing location, promote and hold an
annual flyin with nothing but kit type planes allowed to buy exhibit space.
No elaborate, expensive airshows catering to the non builder public, no off
the shelf planes allowed exhibit space. Make everything affordable to
everyone. Have ongoing forums every day as they used to, showing how to
build with wood, fiberglass, welding,covering and finishing, and lots of
guys answering questions. That is what drew the crowds at early
> EAA flyins.
> What do you think and is there some of you out there who would
contact other like minded groups that have sites on the matronics listings
who have a primary interest in these aims? Unfortunately I can't get into
all of this with both feet at the moment because of very serious health
problems and old age, 87, but I would certainly do what I can. I'm just
tired of seeing the small, heart of the light plane segment of aviation
being ripped off by these turncoat, money grabbing scoundrels.
> We have the potential among all of these like minded groups to be
far larger and stronger than when EAA and Sun and Fun started. Lets take it
back from the big monied interests.
> I have a couple of ideas of location for it and I'm sure some of
you do also.
>
Ray
Sure do agree with you on this. Oshcash is $$$$$$trash and they can put Sun
and Fun where the sun don't shine.
Do not archive
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Martin" <kolbdriver@hotmail.com>
Hi Kolbrs,
Got back yesterday from a month long southwest trip plus a great time at
Momumen Valley. Enjoyed meeting Kolb pilots and seeing for the first time
a flying Kolb (other than my own). Lots of beautiful planes and friendly
folks.
Went to Arlington airpark today to clean up the old Ultrastar and get in an
hour of flying, but found only the airframe--no engine! Airpark management
was just as pissed as I was, theyd had no theft problems for years. Then
this comes up just before the Arlington fly-in.
Will check on ebay. Maybe they have a listing of someone trying to sell a
Rotax 503 DCDI with a new Powerfin 50 inch 3 blade prop. Only 5 hours since
LMOH. Damm!!!
Anyhow, thanks to all of you at Monument Valley who were so thoughtful and
willing to offer help and info to a novice. Kathleen and I will long
remember this trip.
Blue skies!
Don Martin
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| Subject: | Re: New organization and flyins |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jerry Curtin" <jcurtin@cableone.net>
Hello Ray & All, I am making an offer on a 114 acre parcel of land and had
just what you have mentioned in mind. I am located near Biloxi, Mississippi
right on the Gulf Coast, 60 miles east of New Orleans. I feel it is a great
location because there is much more to offer besides a great place to fly
into. We have Casinos, restaurants and much,much more should anyone want to
stray away for some exta entertainment and it's all just minutes away. Look
foward to hearing some feedback from the group. Jerry
----- Original Message -----
From: "ray anderson" <rsanoa@yahoo.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: New organization and flyins
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: ray anderson <rsanoa@yahoo.com>
>
> To all,
> I guess all Kolbers and other homebuilders, kit buyers,
ultralights, experimenters, gyrocopters and wannabe flyers and pilots who
can't plunk down $100,000 - $300,000 have come to the harsh realization that
Son-and-Fun, EAA and all of the old groups, have washed their hands in
regards to the above mentioned groups. These guys have found the moneyed
guys who are only interested in the slick high performance, off the shelf,
ready to fly planes, are where these organizations have found the cash cows
to line their pockets. EAA still pretends to have an interest in us, yeah,
yeah, sure they do, ha, ha. They give token show to our interests just to
keep that money tree from membership dues alive.
> I believe the time has come for the categories I mentioned, plus
like minded groups and individuals to do what these others did 20-50 years
ago. Organize and find a suitable and willing location, promote and hold an
annual flyin with nothing but kit type planes allowed to buy exhibit space.
No elaborate, expensive airshows catering to the non builder public, no off
the shelf planes allowed exhibit space. Make everything affordable to
everyone. Have ongoing forums every day as they used to, showing how to
build with wood, fiberglass, welding,covering and finishing, and lots of
guys answering questions. That is what drew the crowds at early
> EAA flyins.
> What do you think and is there some of you out there who would
contact other like minded groups that have sites on the matronics listings
who have a primary interest in these aims? Unfortunately I can't get into
all of this with both feet at the moment because of very serious health
problems and old age, 87, but I would certainly do what I can. I'm just
tired of seeing the small, heart of the light plane segment of aviation
being ripped off by these turncoat, money grabbing scoundrels.
> We have the potential among all of these like minded groups to be
far larger and stronger than when EAA and Sun and Fun started. Lets take it
back from the big monied interests.
> I have a couple of ideas of location for it and I'm sure some of
you do also.
>
Ray
>
>
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| Subject: | turncoat, money grabbing scoundrels |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "George Bass" <gtb@commspeed.net>
For what little it means, I've had a dream of this
same caliber for years but never the finances to
materialize it.
I'm in total agreement. Have been to Sun'n'Fun
several times, but, have no interest in ever going
again. Only regret is that I never made it to the
big one, Oshkosh, BEFORE it got this way.
I've all but gotten out of the 'sport' because I've
been unable to afford to keep flying and certainly
have not been able to purchase my own plane.
Always have had a very warm spot in my heart
for the Kolbs, and would do all I can to see some
sort of "fly-in for the rest of us", who pretty much
live to fly, rather than sell flying to live.
Count me in for this venture.
George Bass
(The Other George In AZ)
(Lookin' forward to 65 soon enough)
P.S.: I just got my 'official' copy of my history
as an ultralight pilot from the USUA and
altho it isn't gold plated, I plan to use it to
look seriously at the Sport Pilot rating, &
see if I can save a little money on getting
in the air again. If anyone on this list is
doing the same please e-mail me off list:
gtb@commpseed.net
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
My condolences Don. Crooks are the scum of the earth and an
aviator crook has to be the lowest of them all. -Right down there
with wheelchair and christmas present thieves. Catching the guy
is a slim possibility. Crooks are as clever as they are lazy.
BTW, a 503 on an ultra? Must have been an interesting ride.
Good luck
-BB do not archive
On 29, May 2005, at 1:44 PM, Don Martin wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Martin" <kolbdriver@hotmail.com>
>
> Hi Kolbrs,
>
> Got back yesterday from a month long southwest trip plus a great
> time at
> Momumen Valley. Enjoyed meeting Kolb pilots and seeing for the first
> time
> a flying Kolb (other than my own). Lots of beautiful planes and
> friendly
> folks.
>
> Went to Arlington airpark today to clean up the old Ultrastar and get
> in an
> hour of flying, but found only the airframe--no engine! Airpark
> management
> was just as pissed as I was, theyd had no theft problems for years.
> Then
> this comes up just before the Arlington fly-in.
>
> Will check on ebay. Maybe they have a listing of someone trying to
> sell a
> Rotax 503 DCDI with a new Powerfin 50 inch 3 blade prop. Only 5 hours
> since
> LMOH. Damm!!!
>
> Anyhow, thanks to all of you at Monument Valley who were so thoughtful
> and
> willing to offer help and info to a novice. Kathleen and I will long
> remember this trip.
>
> Blue skies!
>
> Don Martin
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Martin" <kolbdriver@hotmail.com>
Thanks Bob,
Probably not a chance in hell that I'll ever catch the vermin that stole the
engine, but will keep trying. Put up reward posters in the local airports.
Can only hope.
You're right, it was a great ride. The plane had been modified by someone
in its past...tapered and strengthened wing, pod and windscreen, gear that
looked somewhat like a cub, and the 503. Bought it from my BFI's partner
down in Columbus, MS and trailered to the Seattle area. Don't really know
its history, but the word is that it was modified by someone who worked for
Homer. Tried to sell the idea to Homer but the master said that it didn't
have an Ultralight wing. He was right. The wing stalled at 43 mph so my
landing speed was 60. I'm now building a Firestar II so my landing speed
will be nice and slow!
Thanks for the words of sympathy. Can really use them. (Cryin in my beer)
Don
>From: robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
>Reply-To: kolb-list@matronics.com
>To: kolb-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Rip off
>Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 19:30:28 -0400
>
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
>
>My condolences Don. Crooks are the scum of the earth and an
>aviator crook has to be the lowest of them all. -Right down there
>with wheelchair and christmas present thieves. Catching the guy
>is a slim possibility. Crooks are as clever as they are lazy.
>BTW, a 503 on an ultra? Must have been an interesting ride.
>Good luck
>-BB do not archive
>
>On 29, May 2005, at 1:44 PM, Don Martin wrote:
>
> > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Martin" <kolbdriver@hotmail.com>
> >
> > Hi Kolbrs,
> >
> > Got back yesterday from a month long southwest trip plus a great
> > time at
> > Momumen Valley. Enjoyed meeting Kolb pilots and seeing for the first
> > time
> > a flying Kolb (other than my own). Lots of beautiful planes and
> > friendly
> > folks.
> >
> > Went to Arlington airpark today to clean up the old Ultrastar and get
> > in an
> > hour of flying, but found only the airframe--no engine! Airpark
> > management
> > was just as pissed as I was, theyd had no theft problems for years.
> > Then
> > this comes up just before the Arlington fly-in.
> >
> > Will check on ebay. Maybe they have a listing of someone trying to
> > sell a
> > Rotax 503 DCDI with a new Powerfin 50 inch 3 blade prop. Only 5 hours
> > since
> > LMOH. Damm!!!
> >
> > Anyhow, thanks to all of you at Monument Valley who were so thoughtful
> > and
> > willing to offer help and info to a novice. Kathleen and I will long
> > remember this trip.
> >
> > Blue skies!
> >
> > Don Martin
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Firestar Spiral Instability |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "David L. Bigelow" <dlbigelow@verizon.net>
My Firestar II rigged to Kolb specifications (one inch of dihedral measured at
the last rib) has spiral instability. If you put in any bank and let go of the
stick, the bank will get steeper and steeper, the nose will drop, and a spiral
will develop. This isn't a dangerous characteristic, but it sure makes for
a lot of extra stick stirring in turbulence. Every little bump has to be corrected,
and you can't let go of the stick for more than a few seconds.
I lengthened the struts one inch so the wings now have 3 1/2 degrees of dihedral.
Each wing is now 3 1/2 degrees greater than level. This modification certainly
makes for a nicer flying airplane. I can now let go of the stick and if
the plane gets bumped from level, it doesn't want to continue increasing the
bank. Also, the additional dihedral results in better yaw/roll coupling. If
you are hands off the stick and add some rudder, it will gradually start a roll
in the direction of the rudder input. The stock dihedral rigging has no yaw/roll
coupling. Add rudder, and the plane just skids.
If you do add some dihedral, be aware that it will change the aileron rigging a
bit. If the ailerons are level to start with, they will be somewhat reflexed
after the dihedral is added, and you may want to re-rig them to level.
Other Kolb drivers (Firefly, Mark 3, SS, etc) - does stock dihedral result in spiral
instability for your aircraft?
Dave Bigelow
FS2 503 DCDI
Kamuela, Hawaii
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| Subject: | Re: New organization and fly ins |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Jack & Louise Hart <jbhart@ldd.net>
At 09:26 AM 5/29/05 -0700, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: ray anderson <rsanoa@yahoo.com>
>
Ray,
Grass roots aviation is alive and well. No matter what happens on the
national EAA level, good things are going on in the EAA Chapters and at
rural airfields. People who want to build from scratch, build from kits,
rebuild GA, and build their own designs, are out there doing their thing.
When I travel, I visit airfields. Rarely have I been disappointed and I
find that some non-certified person is building or rebuilding, and doing
what appears to be a very good job of it.
I enjoy going to local fly-ins and air shows with my FireFly. It is the
young children who are just tall enough to look into the cockpit who are
fun. Also, the old guys who walk down the line stop and talk airplanes
and relate their experiences. The ages in the middle are just too busy
growing up, making a living and raising the next generation. They do not
have time for personal aviation. But if you plant the seed and love for
flying in a youngster, they may make a career out of flying. In my case
that seed had to wait until retirement before I could build and fly.
Pilots are a select group in that only a fraction of one percent of the
people in the USA hold pilot certificates. And then there are the others
like me, who fly without a certificate.
What is important, is that every day guys communicate on lists like this,
and they build, modify and experiment and turn their aircraft into what ever
it is into what they really want to fly. A national organization cannot
provide the support that list or local EAA Chapter can. We are fortunate
the feds have given us a lot of freedom to do as we please and that we have
a country large enough to do it in.
I miss my FireFly. Next week I hope we can go get it.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
do not archive
Jack & Louise Hart
jbhart@ldd.net
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| Subject: | Re: New organization and flyins |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: bryan green <lgreen1@sc.rr.com>
I'm with you Ray and will do what I can plus will take vacation to work
at the fly-in.
Bryan Green
Firestar 447 BRS
ray anderson wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: ray anderson <rsanoa@yahoo.com>
>
>To all,
> I guess all Kolbers and other homebuilders, kit buyers, ultralights,
experimenters, gyrocopters and wannabe flyers and pilots who can't plunk down
$100,000 - $300,000 have come to the harsh realization that Son-and-Fun, EAA
and all of the old groups, have washed their hands in regards to the above mentioned
groups. These guys have found
>
>
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Martin" <kolbdriver@hotmail.com>
Thanks Bob,
Probably not much chance in hell that I'll catch the vermin that stole the
engine. But will keep trying. Put up reward posters in the nearby
airports.
You're right, it was a great ride. I bought the plane from my BFI's partner
in Colombus, MS and then trailered it up here to Seattle. The Ultrastar had
been modified by someone in its distant past...strengthened and tapered
wing, pod and windscreen, gear that looked somewhat like a cub, 8 gallon
seat tank, Air Force markings, and the 503. Don't know the real history,
but the word is that it was modified by someone working for Homer, who then
tried to sell the idea to the master. He didn't buy it. Said that it
didn't have an Ultralight wing. And he was right. The wing stalls at 43 so
I have to land at 60. I'm now building a Firestar II so that the landing
will be nice and slow.
Thanks for the words of sympathy. I need them. (Cryin in by beer.)
Don
>From: robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
>Reply-To: kolb-list@matronics.com
>To: kolb-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Rip off
>Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 19:30:28 -0400
>
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
>
>My condolences Don. Crooks are the scum of the earth and an
>aviator crook has to be the lowest of them all. -Right down there
>with wheelchair and christmas present thieves. Catching the guy
>is a slim possibility. Crooks are as clever as they are lazy.
>BTW, a 503 on an ultra? Must have been an interesting ride.
>Good luck
>-BB do not archive
>
>On 29, May 2005, at 1:44 PM, Don Martin wrote:
>
> > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Martin" <kolbdriver@hotmail.com>
> >
> > Hi Kolbrs,
> >
> > Got back yesterday from a month long southwest trip plus a great
> > time at
> > Momumen Valley. Enjoyed meeting Kolb pilots and seeing for the first
> > time
> > a flying Kolb (other than my own). Lots of beautiful planes and
> > friendly
> > folks.
> >
> > Went to Arlington airpark today to clean up the old Ultrastar and get
> > in an
> > hour of flying, but found only the airframe--no engine! Airpark
> > management
> > was just as pissed as I was, theyd had no theft problems for years.
> > Then
> > this comes up just before the Arlington fly-in.
> >
> > Will check on ebay. Maybe they have a listing of someone trying to
> > sell a
> > Rotax 503 DCDI with a new Powerfin 50 inch 3 blade prop. Only 5 hours
> > since
> > LMOH. Damm!!!
> >
> > Anyhow, thanks to all of you at Monument Valley who were so thoughtful
> > and
> > willing to offer help and info to a novice. Kathleen and I will long
> > remember this trip.
> >
> > Blue skies!
> >
> > Don Martin
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Monument Valley |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "George T. Alexander, Jr." <gtalexander@att.net>
Kolb Listers:
Will Uribe has graciously provided another video of the Monument Valley
experience .... smaller in size, with more scenes and no audio.
This one is in .wmv format and can be viewed using the Windows Media Player.
The first was in .rm format and viewed using Real Player.
Again, if you intend to view it more than once, please save it to your own
machine and view it from there.
http://home.comcast.net/~kolbflyer/
Thanks,
George Alexander
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: turncoat, money grabbing scoundrels |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: DAquaNut@aol.com
In a message dated 5/29/2005 6:18:34 P.M. Central Standard Time,
gtb@commspeed.net writes:
I'm in total agreement. Have been to Sun'n'Fun
several times, but, have no interest in ever going
again. Only regret is that I never made it to the
big one, Oshkosh, BEFORE it got this way.
George,
I plan to go to Oshkosh again. At least they will refund camping days
you dont use! S n F makes you pay for a whole week of camping. If you only
stay 2 days they just keep the rest. I drove a thousand miles before I found
that out, so they got by with it once. I wont let it happen twice. It seems
like they are just there to get my money. Thank God ,I live in America where I
still have some choices .
Ed ( In Houston)
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| Subject: | Kolb List: HAPPY MEMORIAL DAY |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Wayne T. McCullough" <blackbird754@alltel.net>
Hey Jack,
I am a chapter president and I fly like you do.....Money thing ya
understand....wife retired from corporate aviation...and I......still
working on cars after 33 years and still counting....
Oh, own and fly a Tierra and building a Kolbra....our chapter has 68
members in it from all walks of life and veterans....galore......current
too....
Me , I stay humble and LISTEN a LOT.....
I love this list thingy.........Met several Kolbers at Sun-n-fun, and agree
with the other post.....not next year....this will end 7 years worth for
me...
Have seen the Monument Valley pics.........WOW.....no trees ....LOL.....is
all of that still in the USA.....AMAZING ain't it.....
HAPPY MEMORIAL DAY TO ALL OF OUR VETERANS AND
Thank you very much for fighting for me and my familys FREEDOM..
Yours truly,
Wayne McCullough
Springfield, Georgia
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jack & Louise Hart" <jbhart@ldd.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: New organization and fly ins
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Jack & Louise Hart <jbhart@ldd.net>
>
> At 09:26 AM 5/29/05 -0700, you wrote:
>>--> Kolb-List message posted by: ray anderson <rsanoa@yahoo.com>
>>
>
> Ray,
>
> Grass roots aviation is alive and well. No matter what happens on the
> national EAA level, good things are going on in the EAA Chapters and at
> rural airfields. People who want to build from scratch, build from kits,
> rebuild GA, and build their own designs, are out there doing their thing.
> When I travel, I visit airfields. Rarely have I been disappointed and I
> find that some non-certified person is building or rebuilding, and doing
> what appears to be a very good job of it.
>
> I enjoy going to local fly-ins and air shows with my FireFly. It is the
> young children who are just tall enough to look into the cockpit who are
> fun. Also, the old guys who walk down the line stop and talk airplanes
> and relate their experiences. The ages in the middle are just too busy
> growing up, making a living and raising the next generation. They do not
> have time for personal aviation. But if you plant the seed and love for
> flying in a youngster, they may make a career out of flying. In my case
> that seed had to wait until retirement before I could build and fly.
>
> Pilots are a select group in that only a fraction of one percent of the
> people in the USA hold pilot certificates. And then there are the others
> like me, who fly without a certificate.
>
> What is important, is that every day guys communicate on lists like this,
> and they build, modify and experiment and turn their aircraft into what
> ever
> it is into what they really want to fly. A national organization cannot
> provide the support that list or local EAA Chapter can. We are fortunate
> the feds have given us a lot of freedom to do as we please and that we
> have
> a country large enough to do it in.
>
> I miss my FireFly. Next week I hope we can go get it.
>
> Jack B. Hart FF004
> Winchester, IN
>
> do not archive
>
>
> Jack & Louise Hart
> jbhart@ldd.net
>
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: ElleryWeld@aol.com
Bill if I get my firestar back in the air by then I will be down for sure to
the Yankee U/L flyin
Ellery
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: Firestar Spiral Instability |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org>
First time I ever met John Hauck, I asked him about stability in a MKIII.
He told me there wasn't any.
He was right.
I have added a bit of extra dihedral, not much, just a couple degrees extra
- and with two people, & the aileron trim tab set just right, & a dead calm
day it will fly hands off. For a little while. Sometimes. Then it goes into
a spiral. But it is a bit more stable than it originally was.
Our FSII has lengthened lift struts and it will fly hands off, and can be
turned in normal GA fashion using rudder inputs only, assuming the bank is
not allowed to become excessive. If the bank is allowed to over-develop,
then the rudder will not bring it back.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
At 03:48 PM 5/29/2005 -1000, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "David L. Bigelow" <dlbigelow@verizon.net>
>
>My Firestar II rigged to Kolb specifications (one inch of dihedral
>measured at the last rib) has spiral instability. If you put in any bank
>and let go of the stick, the bank will get steeper and steeper, the nose
>will drop, and a spiral will develop. This isn't a dangerous
>characteristic, but it sure makes for a lot of extra stick stirring in
>turbulence. Every little bump has to be corrected, and you can't let go
>of the stick for more than a few seconds.
>
>I lengthened the struts one inch so the wings now have 3 1/2 degrees of
>dihedral. Each wing is now 3 1/2 degrees greater than level. This
>modification certainly makes for a nicer flying airplane. I can now let
>go of the stick and if the plane gets bumped from level, it doesn't want
>to continue increasing the bank. Also, the additional dihedral results in
>better yaw/roll coupling. If you are hands off the stick and add some
>rudder, it will gradually start a roll in the direction of the rudder
>input. The stock dihedral rigging has no yaw/roll coupling. Add rudder,
>and the plane just skids.
>
>If you do add some dihedral, be aware that it will change the aileron
>rigging a bit. If the ailerons are level to start with, they will be
>somewhat reflexed after the dihedral is added, and you may want to re-rig
>them to level.
>
>Other Kolb drivers (Firefly, Mark 3, SS, etc) - does stock dihedral result
>in spiral instability for your aircraft?
>
>Dave Bigelow
>FS2 503 DCDI
>Kamuela, Hawaii
>
>
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