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1. 04:03 AM - Go Fly (Ted Cowan)
2. 06:42 AM - Re: Firestar Spiral Instability (John Jung)
3. 06:50 AM - Re: Firestar Spiral Instability (John Jung)
4. 09:11 AM - Alvord (Larry Cottrell)
5. 09:15 AM - Re: Kolb-List Digest: 21 Msgs - 05/29/05 (Lawrence M Rice)
6. 09:53 AM - Re: New organization and flyins (Richard & Martha Neilsen)
7. 10:00 AM - Re: Alvord (Larry Bourne)
8. 11:09 AM - Re: RV8 (Charlie England)
9. 11:09 AM - Re: New organization and flyins (DAquaNut@aol.com)
10. 11:53 AM - Re: New organization and flyins (ray anderson)
11. 02:09 PM - MK III X N46319 TEST FLIGHTS (Jim Ballenger)
12. 03:18 PM - Re: MK III X N46319 TEST FLIGHTS (Richard Pike)
13. 04:20 PM - Memorial Day (Comcast)
14. 06:16 PM - Re: Memorial Day...Not Kolb related (Bob N.)
15. 06:28 PM - vortex generators (possums)
16. 08:03 PM - Re: Memorial Day...Not Kolb related (Charlie England)
17. 08:56 PM - Re: Memorial Day (woody)
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Ted Cowan <trc1917@direcway.com>
Well everyone, if it is fun you want and flying is your game, come on down
here to our little Flying C's Planetation, AL51. The weekend of June 11 we
will host whoever comes to relaxed flying, fun and some eats. Lots of space
to camp if you want to come early and/or stay late. We will make sure you
have gas, you and the plane! If the whether man says it is going to be bad,
no problem, we will just move it one week to June 18. No problemo. All are
welcome, got 2,000' to roll on and lots of space to park. Monitor 123.450
at the field, the rest are usually on 122.850. If you want something
special, give us a call at 1-334-480-0822 or go to our Club's web site at:
www.homestead.com/southernflyers for further info. Good place to visit
anyway.
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| Subject: | Re: Firestar Spiral Instability |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Jung <jrjungjr@yahoo.com>
Dave and Group,
Here is the other side of the "instability" coin. Compared to a Cessna
or other planes that you can fall asleep in, my Firestar's have been
less work to get them to do what I want them to. And "less work"
doesn't explain it well enough. For me, Kolbs almost feel like they are
an extension of me, as opposed to a machine that I have to work to
control. Many times, on landing, I have have felt like my Firestar just
did what I imagined with almost no input from me. It's a neat feeling.
And I suspect that is what might be lost by trying to make a Kolb fly
more like a Cessna.
John Jung
Firestar II
Surprise, Az
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| Subject: | Re: Firestar Spiral Instability |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Jung <jrjungjr@yahoo.com>
Dave and Group,
I have flown a Mark II, Mark III, Original Firestar, and Firestar II. I
believe that they all are the same regarding what you refer to as
"instability". I just never thought of it that way. I think of a Kolb
as a "hands on" flyer. The only way that I have been able to take my
hand off the stick for very long is to use my legs on the stick. I
don't think of this as a problem. In fact, it wasn't a problem for me
to fly about 6 hours per day, recently. And 6 hours per day would rate
me as a beginner cross-country flyer compared to at least a couple of
other Kolb flyers on this list.
My original Firestar had more than normal dihedral, and it really
didn't change the way it flew compared to my Firestar II with standard
dihedral. A Kolb is just not going to keep you flying, if you fall
asleep.
John Jung
Firestar II N6163J
Surprise, AZ
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Cottrell" <lcottrel@kfalls.net>
Those of you that went to Monument Valley were aware that John Hauck, John
Williamson and Gary Haley Met Rodger Hankins, Terry Davis, Karen and I at the
Alvord Desert after they left M. Valley. They arrived last Wed. and departed on
Friday. John H and Gary to southern Calif. and John W to Idaho. We had a great
visit and the weather was absolutely fantastic. It had rained more than was
acceptable for a desert region and everything was under water. I did find a
small strip of dry land that we could camp and fly from. By the time we left on
Friday that strip had become a pretty large chunk of dry land.
Wildlife abounded and we saw everything from Antelope to Bighorn Sheep. I attempted
twice to post some photo's to HP Photo share with no success.
Larry, Oregon
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb-List Digest: 21 Msgs - 05/29/05 |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Lawrence M Rice <tailwind5@juno.com>
Re: New Organisation & Fly-Ins
Guys,
As a long time EAA guy (joined in '76), I'm really happy about Sport
Pilot & that the UL regs have not changed, but I'm distressed about the
"big money/kit" trend. Of course, these days you don't have many people
willing to build from scratch. The organisation scratch builders are
looking for already exists - the SAA, founded by Paul Poberezny. See
http://www.sportaviation.org/. The annual fly-in is in Urbana, Illinois
June 10-12. However, since I'm moving next weekend, I doubt I'll be ready
to go anywhere by the weekend after! Oh well, next year, I hope.....
Larry the MicroMong guy
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| Subject: | Re: New organization and flyins |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard & Martha Neilsen" <NeilsenRM05@comcast.net>
Ray/all
I agree with what your saying but you are , so to speak, preaching to the
choir. I'm not sure you are all aware that Kolb has been priced out of their
vendor spot near the ultralight strip at Oshkosh. You need to voice you
concerns to Sun-N-Fun and the EAA. I have sent a few E-mails to those people
and for the most part I haven't gotten much of a response but at least I'm
trying. That is one of the reasons that I'm trying to put together the write
up on Monument Valley for Sport Pilot. WE can make a impact. One lone person
can't. Make your view point heard by the people that run these organization.
The EAA is there for us and as long as WE keep our silence they will
continue on the present path.
Lar, Mike and anyone else that has photos from Monument Valley that hasn't
sent their top ten picks to George please do so. I want to get the very best
so we can, to show what fun you can have in these lower priced airplanes.
Do not archive
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW powered MKIIIc
----- Original Message -----
From: "ray anderson" <rsanoa@yahoo.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: New organization and flyins
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: ray anderson <rsanoa@yahoo.com>
>
> To all,
> I guess all Kolbers and other homebuilders, kit buyers,
> ultralights, experimenters, gyrocopters and wannabe flyers and pilots who
> can't plunk down $100,000 - $300,000 have come to the harsh realization
> that Son-and-Fun, EAA and all of the old groups, have washed their hands
> in regards to the above mentioned groups.
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Keep trying, Larry.........it'd be great to see them. Wish I coulda
joined you. Lar. Do not
Archive.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Building Kolb Mk III
N78LB Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry Cottrell" <lcottrel@kfalls.net>
Subject: Kolb-List: Alvord
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Cottrell" <lcottrel@kfalls.net>
>
> Those of you that went to Monument Valley were aware that John Hauck,
> John Williamson and Gary Haley Met Rodger Hankins, Terry Davis, Karen and
> I at the Alvord Desert after they left M. Valley. They arrived last Wed.
> and departed on Friday. John H and Gary to southern Calif. and John W to
> Idaho. We had a great visit and the weather was absolutely fantastic. It
> had rained more than was acceptable for a desert region and everything was
> under water. I did find a small strip of dry land that we could camp and
> fly from. By the time we left on Friday that strip had become a pretty
> large chunk of dry land.
> Wildlife abounded and we saw everything from Antelope to Bighorn Sheep.
> I attempted twice to post some photo's to HP Photo share with no success.
> Larry, Oregon
>
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Charlie England <ceengland@bellsouth.net>
Paul Petty wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" <Lynnp@c-gate.net>
>
>Kolbers,
>
>I know this is far from a Kolb related but we are very proud of her. We plan to use the Kolbra to get from our home based strip to where this darling sits.. http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/kolbra012/album?.dir4514 Just got her back from the paint shop day before yesterday! Bryan asked how Ms. Dixie is coming along so I thought I would let everyone know. Ms Dixie is taking shape very nicely. I have the flaps almost finished. The RH flap only needs a few more braces and it's on to the mounting phase for the flaps and the ailerons. We at first were going to use a Cessna electric flap motor but after talking to other Kolb builders, Mark German brought up a very good point. If the ele motor failed or any of it's components a go around with full flaps,load and fuel would prove to be a disaster. So were going manual. First thoughts are to put a lever overhead or to the side. Be a bit ugly but it will work. Second thought is to use the flaperon handle to make them work but can we ge!
> t enough leverage? Anyone with knowledge of how a Kolbra fuselage with a big
ole 15 gallon fuel cell in the back is configured feel free to dive in here....As
for this weekend I'm taking off. I have 3 days and I am going to use it to
relax and enjoy time with my lovely wife and family. Tuesday night it's back
to the grind and it should not be long before we start with the panel and wiring
and then total disassembly for covering and painting!
>One another note...My buddy that fly's a F***gy LOL had a elevator hinge crack
in 3 places. It's the inboard hinge on the LH elevator. He was concerned and
made many inquiries as to why this happened. Turns out many use "Extruded" hinges
in place of the normal hinges supplied by Kolb and the Fergy kit. One note
is that the fergy uses the double or X'ed hinges back there. I called Travis
and inquired and he said no report of the normal hinges have ever failed this
way.. When my buddy John Hauck ever surfaces I plan to ask him about this. In
the mean time check em close guys!
>
>As the Mississippi comic Killer bees says "Save up!" as I have.. Now it's time
to go cut grass and wear the 3 yr old out in the pool!
>
>
>SALUTE to our service men and women who have served to keep this great country
free!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
>Happy memorial day gang!
>
>Paul Petty
>Building Ms. Dixie
>Kolbra/912UL/Warp
>
>ps. Hats off to TNK gang! great job keep it up.
>
>pss. Travis send me my damn rivets!!!!!!!!!!!
>
>do not archive
>
Hi Paul,
Congrats on completion of the -8. It's a beautiful plane. As soon as you
can venture away from your test area, come on up to Slobovia & pay us a
visit. My hangar is on the south end of the field. A -7 & an -8 are
under construction here; a -4 & an -8 are flying.
Charlie
flying RV-4, Slobovia Outernational (MS71)
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| Subject: | Re: New organization and flyins |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: DAquaNut@aol.com
In a message dated 5/30/2005 11:53:55 A.M. Central Standard Time,
NeilsenRM05@comcast.net writes:
I want to get the very best
so we can, to show what fun you can have in these lower priced airplanes.
Do not archive
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW powered MKIIIc
Rick,
I dont think anyone in the EAA Or anywhere else really questions whether
great fun can be had in a lower priced home built or ultralight aircraft. I
think they are looking at the dollar $$$$$$$$ to be made selling ready to fly
$ 90,000 .00 + aircraft . These type aircraft appeal to the executive
types that may or may not have mechanical skills but have very high paying jobs
and can easily afford the $$$$$$$. Im not one of those. If I cant build ,I
cant afford to fly. Plus there is a sense of accomplishment when you build it
your self. There are more and more people that fall into the high paying
category each day. The little guys are pretty much going to be neglected. Once
again, It falls back to the love of money. Money Talks. The more you have the
more you are heard. No Flames PLEASE!!!!!
Ed ( on a tight budget for the near future)
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: New organization and flyins |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: ray anderson <rsanoa@yahoo.com>
To all,
I know a few of the guys who are selling some of the popular kit, amateur
built airplanes, and will contact them and see if they would perhaps help
get the ball rolling to sponsor a new annual flyin of the type of early EAA
and Fun n Sun, for we lower income and home builder inclined types. I don't know
the guys at New Kolb so perhaps one of you who has good rapport with them could
breach the subject with them. I also know an officer on the executive board
of the U S Ultralight Assoc. (USUA) and I'll see how they might feel about
jumping into it. They have a very large membership scattered all over the U.S.
Since retiring, now many years ago, on restricted income, I have built
from kits and flown successfully, four fixed wing and two gyrocopters, all
licensed under amateur experimental license. Loved every minute of it and now
have another Ultrastar, which I confess, I bought from another builder. As I've
said before, at 87 one is afraid to start a building project again if you want
to get in some flight time before you get the permanent wings. ( hopefully!!!)
DAquaNut@aol.com wrote:
--> Kolb-List message posted by: DAquaNut@aol.com
In a message dated 5/30/2005 11:53:55 A.M. Central Standard Time,
NeilsenRM05@comcast.net writes:
I want to get the very best
so we can, to show what fun you can have in these lower priced airplanes.
Do not archive
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW powered MKIIIc
Rick,
I dont think anyone in the EAA Or anywhere else really questions whether
great fun can be had in a lower priced home built or ultralight aircraft. I
think they are looking at the dollar $$$$$$$$ to be made selling ready to fly
$ 90,000 .00 + aircraft . These type aircraft appeal to the executive
types that may or may not have mechanical skills but have very high paying jobs
and can easily afford the $$$$$$$. Im not one of those. If I cant build ,I
cant afford to fly. Plus there is a sense of accomplishment when you build it
your self. There are more and more people that fall into the high paying
category each day. The little guys are pretty much going to be neglected. Once
again, It falls back to the love of money. Money Talks. The more you have the
more you are heard. No Flames PLEASE!!!!!
Ed ( on a tight budget for the near future)
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | MK III X N46319 TEST FLIGHTS |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jim Ballenger" <ulpilot@cavtel.net>
All
This is a little late but my MK III X received it airworthiness certificate on
7 May and I flew it's first flight on 14 May. The horizontal stabilizer incidence
was way off, I had to hold stick forward as far as I could stretch my arms.
After researching the archives and reading Guy Swenson's comments on the HZ
stab incidence and talking to Bill Futrell, I had TNK send me one of the adjustable
brackets(thanks Donny,Travis and Denny). I brought the LE up 2 5/8"
and it solved the problem. The next issue to deal with was the heavy ailerons.
I moved the push rods in one inch as many of you have and it did the trick,
(thanks). The next problem was to trim the ailerons and rudder. I used the
lexan as TNK manual describes and it works great. I can now fly without my legs
getting tried from holding rudder and my arm from holding aileron.
Some very preliminary stats are it stalls at 38 mph IAS. It will do 72 mph IAS
at 5400 rpm and 92 mph IAS WOT, 6270 rpm. I ended up using a Rotax 582 with
a 3 bladed 66" tapered tips Warp drive prop and have it pitched at 10.5 degrees.
I am monitoring the engine with an EIS and so far it's great, a super piece
of equipment.
My EGT and CHT reading are all well with specs but my water temp will redline (175
degree) on a climb. I have the twin radiators and have some obstructions
in front of them. I plan on rearranging my coolant overflow tank and mounting
an air scoop on the muffler side to get more air flow to the radiator due to
the oil tank location.
Any way I want to thank all of you who share your expertise and opinions on the
list. It certainly helped me with the building. Now I need to learn to land
the MK III. It seems to just flop down the last foot or so. It's not a pretty
landing or even a good one but it's on the ground in one piece and nothing
bent so far.
Jim Ballenger
Selling a FS KXP 447
Flying a MK III X 582
Virginia Beach, VA
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| Subject: | Re: MK III X N46319 TEST FLIGHTS |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org>
Good on ya! Those are great numbers.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
do not archive
At 05:10 PM 5/30/2005 -0400, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jim Ballenger" <ulpilot@cavtel.net>
>
>All
>
>This is a little late but my MK III X received it airworthiness
>certificate on 7 May and I flew it's first flight on 14 May. The
>horizontal stabilizer incidence was way off, I had to hold stick forward
>as far as I could stretch my arms. After researching the archives and
>reading Guy Swenson's comments on the HZ stab incidence and talking to
>Bill Futrell, I had TNK send me one of the adjustable brackets(thanks
>Donny,Travis and Denny). I brought the LE up 2 5/8" and it solved the
>problem. The next issue to deal with was the heavy ailerons. I moved
>the push rods in one inch as many of you have and it did the trick,
>(thanks). The next problem was to trim the ailerons and rudder. I used
>the lexan as TNK manual describes and it works great. I can now fly
>without my legs getting tried from holding rudder and my arm from holding
>aileron.
>
>Some very preliminary stats are it stalls at 38 mph IAS. It will do 72
>mph IAS at 5400 rpm and 92 mph IAS WOT, 6270 rpm. I ended up using a
>Rotax 582 with a 3 bladed 66" tapered tips Warp drive prop and have it
>pitched at 10.5 degrees. I am monitoring the engine with an EIS and so
>far it's great, a super piece of equipment.
>
>My EGT and CHT reading are all well with specs but my water temp will
>redline (175 degree) on a climb. I have the twin radiators and have some
>obstructions in front of them. I plan on rearranging my coolant overflow
>tank and mounting an air scoop on the muffler side to get more air flow to
>the radiator due to the oil tank location.
>
>Any way I want to thank all of you who share your expertise and opinions
>on the list. It certainly helped me with the building. Now I need to
>learn to land the MK III. It seems to just flop down the last foot or
>so. It's not a pretty landing or even a good one but it's on the ground
>in one piece and nothing bent so far.
>
>Jim Ballenger
>Selling a FS KXP 447
>Flying a MK III X 582
>Virginia Beach, VA
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Comcast <davis207@comcast.net>
Debated a day or so on posting this, but today being Memorial Day, felt I needed
to.
Back in 1991 I was fortunate to visit Prague and Pilsen. On the way back to Germany
where we were stationed, we stopped at a country gas station. As I was
walking back to the car, the propriator's husband came running out and grabbed
my arm. "American soldier?" he ask. When I said "Yes", we were bodily dragged
by the old couple through the gas station into the back where they lived. We
then heard how Gen Patton had liberated the area. "They told us in school the
Russian came, but we know," they explained. They had some unit patches and
other trinkets that I can't imagine keeping since 1945, but they had. I was
the beneficiary of some good will that had been waiting 46 years to tell an American
"Thank you."
Thank you to the few who were there who are still here with us today.
To keep this Kold related, while I was unable to fly this weekend, I did get some
biking in out in Amish Country. While we were resting at the end of the ride,
I watched the planes flying the pattern into Smoketown airport. Two Firestars
came in and touched down through some pretty gusty wind. I'm still looking
for a new home for the Firefly, and Smoketown is closer then where I am now.
Any one in the area who's familiar with the hanger situation (who to contact,
waiting list situation, etc) please contact me off list.
thanks
Chuck Davis
FF 028
12:03 AM PST US
From: GeoR38@aol.com
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Monument Valley
--> Kolb-List message posted by: GeoR38@aol.com
In a message dated 5/25/2005 1:44:28 AM Eastern Standard Time,
eagle1@commspeed.net writes:
> <>.Dave and I with his wife had just returned from a trip to the Czech
> Republic. Why would anyone go to the Czech Republic you may ask. Well
> it turned out that My 16th Armored Division under General George
> S.Patton was the very first Allied troupes and tanks into Plisen the
> second largest city in the area. So this all happened 60 years ago in
> 1945, The Czech Government invited all us old Vets to come back and
> help celebrate e the 60th university of there Liberation.
> Unfortunately only 15 from our Division were able to make the trip.
> Fortunately I was one of them. Anyway, we each got a nice 60th
> Liberation medal from the President himself. Also went on over to
> Prague where the Mayor gave each of us a Gold medal. There you have it
> in a nutshell.
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| Subject: | Re: Memorial Day...Not Kolb related |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bob N." <ronoy@shentel.net>
I've been looking for indications of observing Memorial Day. Think maybe
those OFs want to forget, and those of later conflicts don't want to
remember...which is understood. Sometimes I trot out an old editorial I
wrote for the local rag, 1999, about a Decoration day in 1933. Somehow,
now it's just another day off work and a lot of shopping.
Anyhow, I send my salute to all those who served, and especially to all
who didn't come back.
Bob N. WWII
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| Subject: | vortex generators |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: possums <possums@mindspring.com>
This weekend I've got my stall speed down to 28 mph with the VGs=96 true air
speed with a =93Hall Air Speed Indicator=94 located on the out side of the
cockpit. There were about 100 sail boats on one of our local lakes here
for the holidays. I can do a controlled 30 degree turn at 30 mph with these
things =96 which is kind of amazing. With a 12 mph hour head wind I was
almost lagging behind some of the larger sail boats at 200 ft AGL. You guys
got to try these things if you like to fly low and slow and don't want to
=93mush=94 anymore. I know they can't see my engine from the ground because
it's above the wing, they can't see the prop - because it's spinning - they
can hardly hear me at 4300 rpm --- so I I'm a UFO or from the skunk works
to some of them.
http://www.mindspring.com/~possums/Sideview.jpg
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| Subject: | Re: Memorial Day...Not Kolb related |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Charlie England <ceengland@bellsouth.net>
Bob N. wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bob N." <ronoy@shentel.net>
>
>I've been looking for indications of observing Memorial Day. Think maybe
>those OFs want to forget, and those of later conflicts don't want to
>remember...which is understood. Sometimes I trot out an old editorial I
>wrote for the local rag, 1999, about a Decoration day in 1933. Somehow,
>now it's just another day off work and a lot of shopping.
>
>Anyhow, I send my salute to all those who served, and especially to all
>who didn't come back.
>
>Bob N. WWII
>
I hope the following isn't misunderstood.
My father served in WWII. To him & to you, I offer my heartfelt thanks.
I turned 18 in 1969. Sadly, most of the conflicts our leaders have
chosen for us in my lifetime beg to be forgotten.
It was unfortunate that the American people couldn't separate the
soldiers from the politicians when they finally began to express their
displeasure with government policy in the 1970's and it's even more
unfortunate that our current government is using the guilt left over
from the public's actions in those days to manipulate public opinion today.
The best thanks you can give those who have served in our military is to
get informed and express your opinion. Listen to the government 'party
line'. Listen to the 'liberal media'. Listen to international news from
other countries; a lot of other countries. Listen to Christian
conservative media. Listen to Islamic fundamentalist media. I promise
you, none of the above will tell you the whole truth, but you will find
some of it everywhere if you look & listen. It's our right, and it's our
responsibility as free citizens who control our own government to make
our informed desires known to our leaders.
Above all, think. We were given freedom to think for ourselves & express
our opinions. 'Use it or lose it'.
Charlie
My apologies for taking up your time, & do not archive this rant.
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| Subject: | Re: Memorial Day |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "woody" <duesouth@govital.net>
In Windsor Ontario we have had a Lancaster bomber on a pedestle for 40
years. Time and weather are taking its toll and the Lanc was lifted down for
an indoor display last week. I was fortunate to be able to offer my
chauffeur services and Rolls Royce to a vet that served on the Lanc to
observe the pomp and ceremony for the removal of the Lancaster from its
pedestle mount. We need to remember the vets.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Comcast" <davis207@comcast.net>
Subject: Kolb-List: Memorial Day
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Comcast <davis207@comcast.net>
>
> Debated a day or so on posting this, but today being Memorial Day, felt I
needed to.
>
> Back in 1991 I was fortunate to visit Prague and Pilsen. On the way back
to Germany where we were stationed, we stopped at a country gas station. As
I was walking back to the car, the propriator's husband came running out and
grabbed my arm. "American soldier?" he ask. When I said "Yes", we were
bodily dragged by the old couple through the gas station into the back where
they lived. We then heard how Gen Patton had liberated the area. "They
told us in school the Russian came, but we know," they explained. They had
some unit patches and other trinkets that I can't imagine keeping since
1945, but they had. I was the beneficiary of some good will that had been
waiting 46 years to tell an American "Thank you."
>
> Thank you to the few who were there who are still here with us today.
>
> To keep this Kold related, while I was unable to fly this weekend, I did
get some biking in out in Amish Country. While we were resting at the end
of the ride, I watched the planes flying the pattern into Smoketown airport.
Two Firestars came in and touched down through some pretty gusty wind. I'm
still looking for a new home for the Firefly, and Smoketown is closer then
where I am now. Any one in the area who's familiar with the hanger
situation (who to contact, waiting list situation, etc) please contact me
off list.
>
> thanks
>
> Chuck Davis
> FF 028
>
>
> 12:03 AM PST US
> From: GeoR38@aol.com
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Monument Valley
>
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: GeoR38@aol.com
>
> In a message dated 5/25/2005 1:44:28 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> eagle1@commspeed.net writes:
>
>
> > <>.Dave and I with his wife had just returned from a trip to the Czech
> > Republic. Why would anyone go to the Czech Republic you may ask. Well
> > it turned out that My 16th Armored Division under General George
> > S.Patton was the very first Allied troupes and tanks into Plisen the
> > second largest city in the area. So this all happened 60 years ago in
> > 1945, The Czech Government invited all us old Vets to come back and
> > help celebrate e the 60th university of there Liberation.
> > Unfortunately only 15 from our Division were able to make the trip.
> > Fortunately I was one of them. Anyway, we each got a nice 60th
> > Liberation medal from the President himself. Also went on over to
> > Prague where the Mayor gave each of us a Gold medal. There you have it
> > in a nutshell.
>
>
> --
>
>
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