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1. 01:57 AM - Re: vortex generators (David L. Bigelow)
2. 03:02 AM - Predicted death (Scott Perkins)
3. 05:27 AM - Re: stabilizer incidence (James, Ken)
4. 05:33 AM - Re: kendale bearings (Beauford)
5. 07:13 AM - Re: Predicted death (dama)
6. 07:46 AM - Re: stabilizer incidence (possums)
7. 08:03 AM - Re: stabilizer incidence (possums)
8. 08:21 AM - Re: Predicted death (ray anderson)
9. 09:11 AM - Re: Firestar Spiral Instability (William George)
10. 12:24 PM - Re: stabilizer incidence (Silver Fern Microlights Ltd)
11. 02:55 PM - Re: Firestar Spiral Instability (Richard Swiderwski)
12. 03:12 PM - Re: Thrust Angle Relative To Wing (Richard Swiderwski)
13. 03:13 PM - Re: Predicted death (N27SB@aol.com)
14. 04:26 PM - Re: stabilizer incidence (Jim Ballenger)
15. 09:44 PM - Re: Predicted Death (WADE LAWICKI)
16. 11:51 PM - Official Usage Guideline [Please Read] [Monthly Posting] (dralle@matronics.com)
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| Subject: | Re: vortex generators |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "David L. Bigelow" <dlbigelow@verizon.net>
They are vortex generators. The minimum equipment list for virtually all jet transports
allow a certain number of VG's to be missing on a given side. I think
having more than several missing can effect the control. You are supposed
to check them during pre-flight. The captain should have known that!
"After all the discussions of VG's here on the list i was looking at the heavy
iron.
The Boeing i was on had what looked like VG's on the wing inboard of the
engine nacelle I asked the Capt if they were indeed VG's and he wasn't sure...
Any big iron drivers out there?? were they VG's or just "stuff" on the wing"
I installed 46 of the Harrison Design (landshorter.com) on each of my Firestar
2's wings, at just about the same distance from the LE and with similar spacing.
Stall speed went from 35 mph indicated to 30 mph indicated with nicer handling
right up to the stall. Also, there is a bit more float during roundout,
and less tendency to drop hard on the gear if you don't get things right. It
does take a bit more power (100-200 rpm) to hold a cruise of 55-60 mph than without
the VG's. I'm sold, and will leave them on.
Dave Bigelow
FS II, 503 DCDI
Kamuela, Hawaii
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Scott Perkins <2scott@bellsouth.net>
I was at the Fly-in on Sat talking with the owner of a nice looking Yellow
Firestar who was a member of the MTUG group I think and also definitely knew
a lot about welding.... in fact I think said he worked as a welder.
( always remember everything except the name ? ? ? ...... )
Anyway, he pointed out the ultrastar as a basket case and said he cited the numerous
bad joints, cracked welds, and obvious kludge repair job on the landing gear
that had been broken and had had splints applied with radiator clamps to
the owner.
He said he suggested to the owner to take a cab home and declared to me that
guys like him give ultralights in general a black eye.
Now a few days later I hear of the very same plane going down with
structural failure. Too too bad. Doo doo happens if you let it.
It was an attractive plane from a distance but this guy's attitude
is what killed him, not the rust.
For whoever has inspected the wreckage, it would be useful to know the
exact details of what failed and how.
Thanks,
Scott
///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
From: ray anderson <rsanoa@yahoo.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: Kolb fatal crash
I don't have all
the details of the incident yet but I'll get them and post here. Preliminary
data indicates the Kolb had been recently purchased from someone in Chattanooga,
TN by a Mr. Primm who had cleaned it up, added a nose cone and painted everything.
He failed to see a rusted out area somewhere on a wing strut and that
is where it failed. He deployed a ballistic chute but was too low for it to
function. These are the facts I know at the moment. When I get more I will add
them.
I was at the flyin on Saturday and inspected the UltraStar, thought it
looked good and waited around for quite awhile to talk to the owner since I
have an UltraStar, but had to leave before he showed up.
Hidden rust can sure ruin your day.
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| Subject: | stabilizer incidence |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "James, Ken" <KDJames@berkscareer.com>
Can any of you MK III X guys take photos of your Horz Stab attachment point,
I have all the parts made, and I'm at the point of drilling. I would like to
see some typical mounts that are flying.
Thanks Ken James
Drafting Design Technology Instructor
Berks Career and Technology Center
East Campus
3307 Friedensburg Rd.
Oley, Pa. 19506
610-987-6201 Ext. 3532
Kdjames@berkscareer.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Ballenger [mailto:ulpilot@cavtel.net]
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: stabilizer incidence
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jim Ballenger" <ulpilot@cavtel.net>
Rex
I ended up with the top of the stabilizer leading edge slightly higher than
the boom tube. I left the original bracket on the tube and mounted the 4
hole adjustable bracket directly above it. I am extremely satisfied with
the results. If you use the modified bracket by itself, make sure the top
hole will allow the top of the stabilizer leading edge to be slightly above
the boom tube.
Jim
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rex Rodebush" <rrodebush@tema.net>
Subject: Kolb-List: stabilizer incidence
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Rex Rodebush" <rrodebush@tema.net>
>
> Jim,
>
> I also bought the adjustable brackets a few years ago because Kolb keep
> changing the recommended location of the stabilizer. It changed from
> about the middle of the fuselage tube to towards the top and then maybe
> back again.
>
> Where did you finally position it with respect to the top of the tube?
>
> Congratulations on your first flight!
>
> Thanks,
>
> Rex Rodebush
> Building a Mark III Xtra
>
>
> Time: 02:09:48 PM PST US
> From: "Jim Ballenger" <ulpilot@cavtel.net>
> Subject: Kolb-List: MK III X N46319 TEST FLIGHTS
>
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jim Ballenger" <ulpilot@cavtel.net>
>
> All
>
> This is a little late but my MK III X received it airworthiness
> certificate on
> 7 May and I flew it's first flight on 14 May. The horizontal stabilizer
> incidence
> was way off, I had to hold stick forward as far as I could stretch my
> arms.
> After researching the archives and reading Guy Swenson's comments on the
> HZ
> stab incidence and talking to Bill Futrell, I had TNK send me one of the
> adjustable
> brackets(thanks Donny,Travis and Denny). I brought the LE up 2 5/8"
> and it solved the problem.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: kendale bearings |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Beauford" <beauford@tampabay.rr.com>
Ed...
Not familiar with Kendale bearings... new name to me.
The conventional wisdom is to idle the 447 (and I believe all of the
2-stroke Rotaxes without clutches) at the lowest speed you can get it to run
smoothly without experiencing any "chatter" in the gearbox... on the one I
fool with, I have found that proper fine-tuning of the idle air adjustment
screw is critical to getting it to behave properly. Mine will run smoothly
down to about 2350 on most days... 2400 on others. As you know, you should
make sure you get it up to full operating temp before you try to adjust it.
Worth what ye paid fer it... good luck.
Beauford
FF #076
Brandon FL
----- Original Message -----
From: <DAquaNut@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: kendale bearings
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: DAquaNut@aol.com
>
> Group,
>
> I have found some 1 3/8 X 3/4 bearings at Northern Tools. They have
> Kendale
> Ind. stamped on them. Are these any better than the Chineese bearings ?
> Also , what Idle speed is best for the 447 Rotax?
>
> Ed (in Hou.)
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Predicted death |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "dama" <dama@mindspring.com>
Thanks for the additional info, Scott...
Kip
http://www.springeraviation.net/
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Perkins" <2scott@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Kolb-List: Predicted death
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Scott Perkins <2scott@bellsouth.net>
>
>
> I was at the Fly-in on Sat talking with the owner of a nice looking Yellow
> Firestar who was a member of the MTUG group I think and also definitely
knew
> a lot about welding.... in fact I think said he worked as a welder.
> ( always remember everything except the name ? ? ? ...... )
>
> Anyway, he pointed out the ultrastar as a basket case and said he cited
the numerous
> bad joints, cracked welds, and obvious kludge repair job on the landing
gear
> that had been broken and had had splints applied with radiator clamps to
> the owner.
> He said he suggested to the owner to take a cab home and declared to me
that
> guys like him give ultralights in general a black eye.
>
> Now a few days later I hear of the very same plane going down with
> structural failure. Too too bad. Doo doo happens if you let it.
>
> It was an attractive plane from a distance but this guy's attitude
> is what killed him, not the rust.
>
> For whoever has inspected the wreckage, it would be useful to know the
> exact details of what failed and how.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Scott
>
>
> ///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
> From: ray anderson <rsanoa@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Kolb-List: Kolb fatal crash
>
> I don't have all
> the details of the incident yet but I'll get them and post here.
Preliminary
> data indicates the Kolb had been recently purchased from someone in
Chattanooga,
> TN by a Mr. Primm who had cleaned it up, added a nose cone and painted
everything.
> He failed to see a rusted out area somewhere on a wing strut and that
> is where it failed. He deployed a ballistic chute but was too low for it
to
> function. These are the facts I know at the moment. When I get more I will
add
> them.
> I was at the flyin on Saturday and inspected the UltraStar,
thought it
> looked good and waited around for quite awhile to talk to the owner since
I
> have an UltraStar, but had to leave before he showed up.
> Hidden rust can sure ruin your day.
>
>
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| Subject: | stabilizer incidence |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: possums <possums@mindspring.com>
At 08:23 AM 6/1/2005, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "James, Ken" <KDJames@berkscareer.com>
>
>Can any of you MK III X guys take photos of your Horz Stab attachment point,
>I have all the parts made, and I'm at the point of drilling. I would like to
>see some typical mounts that are flying.
>
>Thanks Ken James
Here's some made of steel - works better if you click on "view the slideshow"
Not a MKIII but same idea.
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| Subject: | stabilizer incidence |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: possums <possums@mindspring.com>
At 08:23 AM 6/1/2005, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "James, Ken" <KDJames@berkscareer.com>
>
>Can any of you MK III X guys take photos of your Horz Stab attachment point,
>I have all the parts made, and I'm at the point of drilling. I would like to
>see some typical mounts that are flying.
>
>Thanks Ken James
Works even better if I attach the URL link.
http://sos.photosite.com/Album2/
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| Subject: | Re: Predicted death |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: ray anderson <rsanoa@yahoo.com>
All,
I checked with the folks at Tullahoma airport and they thought the wreckage
had been removed back to Chattanooga. I wanted to look at it because there
has been some confusion about the point of failure and where it was.
A point of interest is that the pilot never pulled the activating handle
of the chute. It was found remaining in it's holder. Unfortunately, he couldn't
have actuated it. He had failed to remove the safety pin that restrained
the activating handle !! The line connecting it to the rocket apparently
stretched when the wing folded and pulled the pin, activating it. Too low to
save. He might have survived if he had been able to pull quickly when the failure
occurred. Another reason to always preflight, preferably with a check list,
and train one's self in how to react quickly in emergencies.
dama <dama@mindspring.com> wrote:
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "dama"
Thanks for the additional info, Scott...
Kip
http://www.springeraviation.net/
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Perkins" <2scott@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Kolb-List: Predicted death
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Scott Perkins <2scott@bellsouth.net>
>
>
> I was at the Fly-in on Sat talking with the owner of a nice looking Yellow
> Firestar who was a member of the MTUG group I think and also definitely
knew
> a lot about welding.... in fact I think said he worked as a welder.
> ( always remember everything except the name ? ? ? ...... )
>
> Anyway, he pointed out the ultrastar as a basket case and said he cited
the numerous
> bad joints, cracked welds, and obvious kludge repair job on the landing
gear
> that had been broken and had had splints applied with radiator clamps to
> the owner.
> He said he suggested to the owner to take a cab home and declared to me
that
> guys like him give ultralights in general a black eye.
>
> Now a few days later I hear of the very same plane going down with
> structural failure. Too too bad. Doo doo happens if you let it.
>
> It was an attractive plane from a distance but this guy's attitude
> is what killed him, not the rust.
>
> For whoever has inspected the wreckage, it would be useful to know the
> exact details of what failed and how.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Scott
>
>
> ///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
> From: ray anderson
> Subject: Kolb-List: Kolb fatal crash
>
> I don't have all
> the details of the incident yet but I'll get them and post here.
Preliminary
> data indicates the Kolb had been recently purchased from someone in
Chattanooga,
> TN by a Mr. Primm who had cleaned it up, added a nose cone and painted
everything.
> He failed to see a rusted out area somewhere on a wing strut and that
> is where it failed. He deployed a ballistic chute but was too low for it
to
> function. These are the facts I know at the moment. When I get more I will
add
> them.
> I was at the flyin on Saturday and inspected the UltraStar,
thought it
> looked good and waited around for quite awhile to talk to the owner since
I
> have an UltraStar, but had to leave before he showed up.
> Hidden rust can sure ruin your day.
>
>
---------------------------------
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| Subject: | Re: Firestar Spiral Instability |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: William George <wgeorge@mountainmeadowranch.com>
Well put David.
do no archive
Bill George
Hawaii
Kolb Mk-3 Verner 1400 Powerfin
On May 31, 2005, at 8:56 PM, Kolb-List Digest Server wrote:
> Time: 02:44:23 AM PST US
> From: "David L. Bigelow" <dlbigelow@verizon.net>
> Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Firestar Spiral Instability
>
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "David L. Bigelow"
> <dlbigelow@verizon.net>
>
>
> Aircraft responsiveness and stability are not mutually exclusive. The
> very best
> flying aircraft have both. You can build some stability into a Kolb
> without
> destroying it's responsiveness. You won't make it into a Cessna 150
> by tuning
> out an undesirable flying characteristic like spiral instability.
> It's like
> driving a sports car with the suspension toe in and camber set wrong.
> It's twitchy
> and bothersome to drive like that, but of course, if you drive it that
> way long enough, you get used to it. Set the toe in and camber
> correctly, and
> you still have a responsive great handling machine. It's just easier
> and less
> fatiguing to drive.
>
> Some of the military fighters I've flown have a roll rate fast enough
> to bang your
> head against the side of the canopy if you give them hard aileron, yet
> they
> all trim hands off. There are some aircraft that pilots universally
> love because
> of the way they handle. They have that almost indefinable something -
> a
> combination of responsiveness and stability that makes them a joy to
> fly. Two
> that come to mind for me are the Schweizer 1-26 sailplane, and believe
> it or
> not, the DC-10. The DC-10, big and heavy as it is, has "right now"
> control response
> with very little effort, and is also very stable. I notice a lot of
> similarity
> to the 1-26 with my Firestar, especially now with the spiral
> instability
> gone.
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| Subject: | Re: stabilizer incidence |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Silver Fern Microlights Ltd" <kiwimick@sfmicro.fsnet.co.uk>
Ken, All.
Here in the UK we allign the horiz stab as per the blue prints and it works
just fine.
Initially on the Classic when CAA approval was being gained it was
established by the test pilot that when the top of the stab was mounted
level with the top of the boom tube there was little pitch stability when
the a/c was in a dive, (this is known as divergence) and pre stall warning
was almost non existant.
The cure was to lower the L/E of the stab, and on the Xtra it has been
lowered even further.
For the UK approval we had to conduct a formal and demanding flight test
program and no problems were found when the stab was fitted as per drawings.
Your problem may well lay with an out of CG aircraft (tail heavy) or the
trim system incorrectly adjusted.
Mike
Xtra/Jab 2200
G-CDFA
----- Original Message -----
From: "James, Ken" <KDJames@berkscareer.com>
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: stabilizer incidence
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "James, Ken" <KDJames@berkscareer.com>
>
> Can any of you MK III X guys take photos of your Horz Stab attachment
> point,
> I have all the parts made, and I'm at the point of drilling. I would like
> to
> see some typical mounts that are flying.
>
> Thanks Ken James
> Drafting Design Technology Instructor
>
> Berks Career and Technology Center
> East Campus
> 3307 Friedensburg Rd.
> Oley, Pa. 19506
> 610-987-6201 Ext. 3532
>
> Kdjames@berkscareer.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jim Ballenger [mailto:ulpilot@cavtel.net]
> To: kolb-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: stabilizer incidence
>
>
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jim Ballenger" <ulpilot@cavtel.net>
>
> Rex
> I ended up with the top of the stabilizer leading edge slightly higher
> than
> the boom tube. I left the original bracket on the tube and mounted the 4
> hole adjustable bracket directly above it. I am extremely satisfied with
> the results. If you use the modified bracket by itself, make sure the top
> hole will allow the top of the stabilizer leading edge to be slightly
> above
> the boom tube.
> Jim
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Rex Rodebush" <rrodebush@tema.net>
> To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Kolb-List: stabilizer incidence
>
>
>> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Rex Rodebush" <rrodebush@tema.net>
>>
>> Jim,
>>
>> I also bought the adjustable brackets a few years ago because Kolb keep
>> changing the recommended location of the stabilizer. It changed from
>> about the middle of the fuselage tube to towards the top and then maybe
>> back again.
>>
>> Where did you finally position it with respect to the top of the tube?
>>
>> Congratulations on your first flight!
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Rex Rodebush
>> Building a Mark III Xtra
>>
>>
>> Time: 02:09:48 PM PST US
>> From: "Jim Ballenger" <ulpilot@cavtel.net>
>> Subject: Kolb-List: MK III X N46319 TEST FLIGHTS
>>
>> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jim Ballenger" <ulpilot@cavtel.net>
>>
>> All
>>
>> This is a little late but my MK III X received it airworthiness
>> certificate on
>> 7 May and I flew it's first flight on 14 May. The horizontal stabilizer
>> incidence
>> was way off, I had to hold stick forward as far as I could stretch my
>> arms.
>> After researching the archives and reading Guy Swenson's comments on the
>> HZ
>> stab incidence and talking to Bill Futrell, I had TNK send me one of the
>> adjustable
>> brackets(thanks Donny,Travis and Denny). I brought the LE up 2 5/8"
>> and it solved the problem.
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Firestar Spiral Instability |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard Swiderwski" <rswiderski@earthlink.net>
Richard, Steve & All,
Everything is a trade off. Maneuverability & stability are at odds
with each other. Where you want to be on that continuum is a personal
choice. But if you add dihedral to a Kolb, you will compromise some of its
maneuverability, cross wind landing will be among the compromised.
Richard Swiderski
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Pike
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Firestar Spiral Instability
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org>
No the Firestar actually flies very sweet, Ed took it to a local strip
yesterday and let a local airplane maven fly it (This particular guy is an
A & P, IA, ATP, Corporate Pilot, and owns TEN homebuilt/ultralight
aircraft!!!) and his response was that it was delightful, and he wants one.
And he said it was much more responsive than the current Hawk Classic. It
will fly hands off very well, but as long as you give it a good dose of
rudder, it turns as nicely as you could ask.
Maybe if I ever get off my inertia, I might try adding some more dihedral
to the MKIII. On the other hand, I don't care that it is unstable, but I
guess that stability is a good thing. I like the MKIII as is, but I suppose
I would like it better if it would fly hands off and still be as agile as
it is now - why not?
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
At 05:54 PM 5/31/2005 -0700, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: Steve Kroll <muso2080@yahoo.com>
>
><<<<I asked him about stability in a MKIII.
> He told me there wasn't any.
> He was right.>>>>>
>
>Richard,
>
>The same is true for my Mk2 (lacking in spiral stability) and that
>instability is compounded many times by the torque factor. I considered
>more dihedral also but it seems to me that adding dihedral might lower the
>effectiveness of the ailerons and rudder. Did you find that to be the
>case with either your FS2 or the Mk3 ? I shoot lots of pictures out of my
>bird so when I'm using the camera, I simply fly left handed.
>
>Steve Kroll
>
>
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| Subject: | : Kolb-List:Thrust Angle Relative To Wing |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard Swiderwski" <rswiderski@earthlink.net>
Rusty,
I was going through some old notes & ran across a comment from
Dennis Sounder that I wrote down regarding how to rig the thrust line angle
on the SlingShot. He said with the wings at 5 degrees incidence, the thrust
line should be horizontal. My wings are off & so is my engine. How does
that compare to raising the rear mounts 3/4" as was suggested earlier? I
will need to nail this issue down myself, so if you or other SS owners have
any input it would be appreciated.
Also, I have heard that the fuselage tube is horizontal in level
flight on the SS. Can anyone else confirm this?
Lastly, if anyone is measuring the SS's angles of incidence, could
you check what the difference is between the wing & the fuselage tube?
Thanks.
Richard Swiderski
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| Subject: | Re: Predicted death |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: N27SB@aol.com
In a message dated 6/1/2005 3:16:05 PM Eastern Standard Time,
rsanoa@yahoo.com writes:
> Unfortunately, he couldn't have actuated it. He had failed to remove
> the safety pin that restrained the activating handle !!
On my Firefly I used a marine style ignition kill switch. I attach the
igniton clip to the BRS remove before flight flag. You have to remove the safety
pin
on the BRS in order to activate the ignition. When you pull the clip after
you flight you have to put it somewhere so you may as well put it back on the
BRS. At any time you are fooling with the prop you can always look at the BRS
handle and confirm that your ignition is not hot.
Steve Boetto
FF #007
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jim Ballenger" <ulpilot@cavtel.net>
Mike
I conducted a W&B and it proved the airplane was within the factory specs as
far as CG was concerned. I consulted with the factory and an aeronautical
engineer prior to my raising the leading edge of the stab and both concured
with the move. I have stalled the plane and recovery was straight forward
and acted just like my Firestar KXP. I also looked at the FS, FF and MK III
Classic and their stabs are mounted with the Stab LE raised. I can not
explain why some MK III X planes fly with the Stab as the plans dictate and
others don't but I do know mine flies very good now that I have moved the
Stab.
You do raise an interesting question about the pitch stability in a dive.
Why would it be different than straight and level?
Jim
----- Original Message -----
From: "Silver Fern Microlights Ltd" <kiwimick@sfmicro.fsnet.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: stabilizer incidence
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Silver Fern Microlights Ltd"
<kiwimick@sfmicro.fsnet.co.uk>
>
> Ken, All.
> Here in the UK we allign the horiz stab as per the blue prints and it
works
> just fine.
> Initially on the Classic when CAA approval was being gained it was
> established by the test pilot that when the top of the stab was mounted
> level with the top of the boom tube there was little pitch stability when
> the a/c was in a dive, (this is known as divergence) and pre stall warning
> was almost non existant.
> The cure was to lower the L/E of the stab, and on the Xtra it has been
> lowered even further.
> For the UK approval we had to conduct a formal and demanding flight test
> program and no problems were found when the stab was fitted as per
drawings.
> Your problem may well lay with an out of CG aircraft (tail heavy) or the
> trim system incorrectly adjusted.
>
> Mike
> Xtra/Jab 2200
> G-CDFA
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "James, Ken" <KDJames@berkscareer.com>
> To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RE: Kolb-List: stabilizer incidence
>
>
> > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "James, Ken" <KDJames@berkscareer.com>
> >
> > Can any of you MK III X guys take photos of your Horz Stab attachment
> > point,
> > I have all the parts made, and I'm at the point of drilling. I would
like
> > to
> > see some typical mounts that are flying.
> >
> > Thanks Ken James
> > Drafting Design Technology Instructor
> >
> > Berks Career and Technology Center
> > East Campus
> > 3307 Friedensburg Rd.
> > Oley, Pa. 19506
> > 610-987-6201 Ext. 3532
> >
> > Kdjames@berkscareer.com
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Jim Ballenger [mailto:ulpilot@cavtel.net]
> > To: kolb-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: stabilizer incidence
> >
> >
> > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jim Ballenger" <ulpilot@cavtel.net>
> >
> > Rex
> > I ended up with the top of the stabilizer leading edge slightly higher
> > than
> > the boom tube. I left the original bracket on the tube and mounted the
4
> > hole adjustable bracket directly above it. I am extremely satisfied
with
> > the results. If you use the modified bracket by itself, make sure the
top
> > hole will allow the top of the stabilizer leading edge to be slightly
> > above
> > the boom tube.
> > Jim
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Rex Rodebush" <rrodebush@tema.net>
> > To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Kolb-List: stabilizer incidence
> >
> >
> >> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Rex Rodebush" <rrodebush@tema.net>
> >>
> >> Jim,
> >>
> >> I also bought the adjustable brackets a few years ago because Kolb keep
> >> changing the recommended location of the stabilizer. It changed from
> >> about the middle of the fuselage tube to towards the top and then maybe
> >> back again.
> >>
> >> Where did you finally position it with respect to the top of the tube?
> >>
> >> Congratulations on your first flight!
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >>
> >> Rex Rodebush
> >> Building a Mark III Xtra
> >>
> >>
> >> Time: 02:09:48 PM PST US
> >> From: "Jim Ballenger" <ulpilot@cavtel.net>
> >> Subject: Kolb-List: MK III X N46319 TEST FLIGHTS
> >>
> >> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jim Ballenger" <ulpilot@cavtel.net>
> >>
> >> All
> >>
> >> This is a little late but my MK III X received it airworthiness
> >> certificate on
> >> 7 May and I flew it's first flight on 14 May. The horizontal
stabilizer
> >> incidence
> >> was way off, I had to hold stick forward as far as I could stretch my
> >> arms.
> >> After researching the archives and reading Guy Swenson's comments on
the
> >> HZ
> >> stab incidence and talking to Bill Futrell, I had TNK send me one of
the
> >> adjustable
> >> brackets(thanks Donny,Travis and Denny). I brought the LE up 2 5/8"
> >> and it solved the problem.
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: WADE LAWICKI <wlawicki@yahoo.com>
Scott/ group,
I was the owner of the yellow firestar that talked to you and Mr.
Primm on sat. It was a basket case, there were at least 4 reasons for it being
grounded,landing gear rigged up,large prop chip,no gap seal,no w&b,homemade
parts. the last i heard was that the strut failed, these looked like the landing
gear tubes( ends crimped in vice and split on sides) that failed upon his arrival.
he also owned a trike in about the same condition.
it might have had something to do with the fact that he only had about 3 hours
in this plane before he flew a 50 mile x-country or, that the conventional
3 axis was exactly opposite controls that he was used to.
Mr. Primm was a fine man, very pro-active in the local and regional ultralight
community but, sadly he did not take the condition of his equipment nor the advice
of his peers serious enough and it cost him the ultimate price.
Fly Safe,
Wade Lawicki
FS #1030
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