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1. 03:08 AM - Re: Predicted death (PATRICK LADD)
2. 03:51 AM - tail collies (PATRICK LADD)
3. 04:59 AM - Re: Predicted death (N27SB@aol.com)
4. 05:42 AM - stabilizer incidence (Rex Rodebush)
5. 06:52 AM - floats (PATRICK LADD)
6. 07:13 AM - parts (W Boyter)
7. 07:51 AM - (Rex Rodebush)
8. 07:53 AM - Re: Thrust Angle Relative To Wing (Rusty)
9. 08:13 AM - Re: parts (Richard Pike)
10. 08:16 AM - Monument Valley and Beyond (John Hauck)
11. 08:21 AM - MV and Beyond (John Hauck)
12. 10:13 AM - Re: Re: Monument Valley and More, plus Density Altitude experience (John Williamson)
13. 10:16 AM - UltraStar fatality (ray anderson)
14. 01:04 PM - Firefly on floats (N27SB@AOL.com)
15. 03:11 PM - ultrastar crash (WADE LAWICKI)
16. 03:14 PM - Re: Re: Monument Valley and More, plus Density Altitude experience (Bob Dalton)
17. 05:54 PM - rustproofed kolb (robert bean)
18. 06:13 PM - Re: parts (FS2Kolb@aol.com)
19. 06:25 PM - Re: parts (WillUribe@aol.com)
20. 07:47 PM - Trailering a Kolb (Larry Bourne)
21. 08:20 PM - Re: Trailering a Kolb (Bob Dalton)
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| Subject: | Re: Predicted death |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "PATRICK LADD" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
At any time you are fooling with the prop you can always look at the BRS
handle and confirm that your ignition is not hot.>>
Hi Steve,
that may be an indicator but nothing is certain with mags and engines.
I was told to ALWAYS treat the prop as if the ignition was `hot`. Good
advice. Saved me a couple of nasty knocks over the years
Cheers
Pat
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "PATRICK LADD" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
Hi,
Thanks to everyone who made suggestions regarding a dolly to facilitate ground
handling while keeping leading edges clear of the ground.
Several good suggestions and even better pics showing exactly how it can be done.
Thanks again everyone, a great help.
cheers
Pat
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| Subject: | Re: Predicted death |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: N27SB@aol.com
In a message dated 6/2/2005 7:35:26 AM Eastern Standard Time,
pj.ladd@btinternet.com writes:
> Hi Steve,
> that may be an indicator but nothing is certain with mags and engines.
>
> I was told to ALWAYS treat the prop as if the ignition was `hot`. Good
> advice. Saved me a couple of nasty knocks over the years
>
> Cheers
>
> Pat
>
Hi Pat, Good advice, and I totally agree, point was, on the standard setup on
the FireFly the ignition switch is a toggle switch that is located under the
left side of the seat. You can not easily see it so you have to reach in and
feel. It is also easy for the brain to flip that palpated image. I always
treat props as hot and household wiring as active. I also look down the neck of
my
Budweiser for a fly or a cigarette butt if I left it unattended for more
than 5 min.
BTW had an ex A-10 pilot fly the Firefly on floats the other day. it was his
first solo in an ultralight. He thought it was slick as a weasel.
S Boetto
FF #007 Floatplane
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| Subject: | stabilizer incidence |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Rex Rodebush" <rrodebush@tema.net>
I wonder if the "neutral" flap position varies from plane to plane and
would be enough to make a difference?
Rex
Time: 04:26:33 PM PST US
From: "Jim Ballenger" <ulpilot@cavtel.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: stabilizer incidence
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jim Ballenger" <ulpilot@cavtel.net>
........................................................................
........................................................................
............................................. I can not
explain why some MK III X planes fly with the Stab as the plans dictate
and
others don't but I do know mine flies very good now that I have moved
the
Stab.
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "PATRICK LADD" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
ex A-10 pilot fly the Firefly on floats >>..
Hi Steve,
I am still grieving missing the Quicksilver on floats down at your mate`s
place in Key West.
Just have to go back!
Pat
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "W Boyter" <boyter@mcsi.net>
Did "Olenik Aviation" go out of business are just change there phone #.
I would like to order a automatic mixture control.
Wayne
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Rex Rodebush" <rrodebush@tema.net>
Another thought. Is it only the larger Mark III X-tra stabilizers that
are located at the top of the boom?
Rex
I wonder if the "neutral" flap position varies from plane to plane and
would be enough to make a difference?
Rex
Time: 04:26:33 PM PST US
From: "Jim Ballenger" <ulpilot@cavtel.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: stabilizer incidence
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jim Ballenger" <ulpilot@cavtel.net>
........................................................................
........................................................................
............................................. I can not
explain why some MK III X planes fly with the Stab as the plans dictate
and
others don't but I do know mine flies very good now that I have moved
the
Stab.
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| Subject: | : Kolb-List:Thrust Angle Relative To Wing |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Rusty" <13brv3c@bellsouth.net>
Hi Richard,
Thanks for the info about the wing angle of attack. Jack Hart measured a
Firefly in flight, and found it to be 7 degrees, but with the higher speed
of the SS, it would stand to reason that the angle would be less, such as
the 5 degrees that Dennis told you.
My wings and engine are off too, but I'm measuring the "bottom of the wing"
by measuring the top rear tubes in the cage. Those are very close to
exactly the angle of the wing, so it should be close enough for our
purposes. The engine mount can be measured directly for thrust angle in my
case, since the engine will be mounted using an aluminum plate on the oil
pan bolts (just like we do on the two rotor engines), which means the thrust
angle for the engine is parallel to the mounting plate.
Now, as it sits in the garage:
Bottom of the wing= 10 degrees
Engine mounts on the cage= 13 degrees
Fuselage tube= 4 degrees
If you raise the tail enough to make the fuselage tube horizontal, then that
puts the wing at 6 degrees, which splits the difference between the two
angles of attack that we have on record. This must mean that we're pretty
close on these angles. If we go with 6 degrees for the wing, then the
engine is at 7 degrees in level flight.
Doing the math for a 9.5" spacing on the mount, to change 7 degrees, gives
us about a 1.2" spacer on the rear. I'll probably stick with the 1" change
that you seem to get by flipping the rear mount over, which calculates to 6
degrees of change. That will mean the thrust will be 1 degree positive when
the wing is at 6 degrees, or exactly horizontal at Dennis' 5 degree angle.
Aren't you a math teacher now? I assume you'll grade my calculations :-)
Cheers,
Rusty
Mazda 13B rotary powered RV-3 (flying)
Kolb Slingshot (Mazda single rotor project)
Sonerai-IIL (selling this probably)
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard Swiderwski"
--> <rswiderski@earthlink.net>
Rusty,
I was going through some old notes & ran across a comment from
Dennis Sounder that I wrote down regarding how to rig the thrust line angle
on the SlingShot. He said with the wings at 5 degrees incidence, the thrust
line should be horizontal. My wings are off & so is my engine. How does
that compare to raising the rear mounts 3/4" as was suggested earlier? I
will need to nail this issue down myself, so if you or other SS owners have
any input it would be appreciated.
Also, I have heard that the fuselage tube is horizontal in level
flight on the SS. Can anyone else confirm this?
Lastly, if anyone is measuring the SS's angles of incidence, could
you check what the difference is between the wing & the fuselage tube?
Thanks.
Richard Swiderski
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org>
Last time I called, his wife said they were not making it, and he was
closing down and going into another line of work.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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At 07:11 AM 6/2/2005 -0700, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "W Boyter" <boyter@mcsi.net>
>
>Did "Olenik Aviation" go out of business are just change there phone #.
>I would like to order a automatic mixture control.
>
>
>Wayne
>
>
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| Subject: | Monument Valley and Beyond |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Morning Gang:
Felt good to sleep in my own bed last night. Returned home yesterday
at 1800 after cavorting around the country in my Kolb MKIII for the
past 15 days. Still amazes me how we can cover so much country in our
little airplanes.
Had no problems with the airplane, or me, except the number 3 exhaust
stack separated at the clamp during the flight from Santa Rosa to
Albuquerque, NM. Started at a ticking sound, thanks to the DRE-6000
ANR headset, which lasted about 10 or 15 seconds, followed by the loud
note of open exhaust right out of the head. I knew I had lost an
exhaust pipe, but did not know whether it was going to let go and go
through the prop or not. Was 5 miles south of the Interstate and 60
miles east of Albuquerque. Landed in the desert on a ranch trail,
wired the pipe back to its original position, then flew on to
Albuquerque. When I landed at Sandia East Air Park the pipe was still
in place. Got it repaired locally the next morning and was on my way
by noon, the third day of my flight to MV.
Enjoyed meeting new folks and renewing old acquaintances at MV, the
flight to Moab, Bonneville Salt Flats, and Alvord Desert. Also the
flight south to Reno and Santa Clarita, CA, and the three day flight
back home to Titus, AL.
Highest price for fuel was Mammoth Lakes, CA, at $4.10, and the lowest
was Sherman, TX, with $2.56. Price differential always amazes me from
location to location.
During the 15 day flight came up with the following numbers:
Flight hours: 69.5
Fuel: 348 gal aprx'ly
Distance: 5,200 sm aprx'ly
Nights in motel: 0
The Rotax 912S performed impeccably. The NGK DCPR8E spark plugs have
110 hours use without the normal 50 hour inspection. The exhaust
system was fabricated by Titan Aircraft. Had a little over 200 hours
time. I had another Titan Exhaust System that went 750 hours without
failure. The part that fails is the stub pipe that is produced by
Rotax. Looks like it is made of thinner wall material. It also has a
bulge formed in it to give the clamp something to hold on to. This
may be the contributing problem to the pipe failures. During the
forming process the stubs could be stretched to thin or scratched in
some way to cause failure.
Photos to be posted soon as I get caught up a little and can find time
to get them uploaded.
Take care,
john h
Titus, Alabama
MKIII - 2,363.9 hours
912S - 1,018.0 hours
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Hi Folks:
Meant to include a little blurb about the DRE-6000 ANR Headset.
Great performance. Noise greatly reduced. Flight fatigue also
greatly reduced. Can never go back to the old passive system.
Amazing how much better I felt after flying some 8+ hour days.
Highly recommend the DRE-6000 at the low cost of $279.00 from Avionics
West of Tennessee.
http://www.avionicswest.com/articles/DRE6000enr.html#6000
Take care,
john h
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| Subject: | Re: Monument Valley and More, plus Density Altitude experience |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Williamson" <kolbrapilot2@comcast.net>
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| Subject: | UltraStar fatality |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: ray anderson <rsanoa@yahoo.com>
All,
An update on the UltraStar tragedy. I talked this morning with one of the
knowledgeable persons who viewed the wreckage before it's removal to a hanger
at Tullahoma airport. There doesn't seem to be a firm consensus yet on where
the failure took place. He described the wreckage as fragmented, with some broken
loose weld joints all through. He wasn't sure a wing folded first as apparently
there was only one eyewitness and she couldn't give specific information.
He is going to see if we can view the wreckage, take my blueprints and construction
manual and try to get a more comprehensive feel for where the first
failure occurred. So, disregard the first report that it was a strut failure.
This at the moment is not born out.
Hopefully more later.
---------------------------------
Find restaurants, movies, travel & more fun for the weekend. Check it out!
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| Subject: | Firefly on floats |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: N27SB@aol.com
To all,
Thanks to those of you that have shown interest in my projects. There are 2
sites to look at that have shown interest. Hope this helps spur more interest
in Kolbs.
http://www.ultralightflyer.com/airshow-snf05/3.html
Click on "View Presentation" to see interview from SnF (need high speed)
http://www.skyshops.org/FLOATSHOME/floats%20kob%20firefly.htm
This is the home page for Skyshops, the importer for czech Floats
I am currently talking to someone that wants a MKIIIC on straight floats.
Steve Boetto
FF#007
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: WADE LAWICKI <wlawicki@yahoo.com>
ray/group,
there was another witness to the crash, a friend of mine was in the
pattern flying his airbike when he observed the right wing fold, then pitch
down and nose in. his first thought is that it was one of the r/c models that
had been flying earlier so he continued flying for another 10 minutes until they
put up the red flag. I had first hand knowledge of the plane and it was in
very poor shape.
fly safe,
wade
fs #1030
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| Subject: | Re: Monument Valley and More, plus Density Altitude experience |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bob Dalton" <wiserguy@comcast.net>
John,
Your posting was empty, I know you and John H. have some beautiful pictures
and stories for us welcome back.
Bob Dalton
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From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Williamson
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: Monument Valley and More, plus Density Altitude
experience
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Williamson"
<kolbrapilot2@comcast.net>
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| Subject: | rustproofed kolb |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
First off, welcome back to all the travelers.
I made my first flight yesterday since rebuilding the little suzuki.
It had about 20 minutes ground time on it. My first landing, about
5 miles away at a friend's strip revealed all was well, so I continued
onward to a grass strip especially well suited for pattern work.
When I landed and looked back the whole ass end was glistening
with oil. -whoops, sure glad it's a pusher.
I dumped in enough oil to get back and puzzled over it for a bit while
wiping down my gusher on wings.
Being an auto conversion with a remote sump, the dipstick is relocated
and the old hole is plugged. The plug had fallen out.
Whew! sure glad, because it is running beautifully and I didn't have
to spend a long time in that old pit of despondency.
Looks like I get to do some flying.
-BB do not archive
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: FS2Kolb@aol.com
In a message dated 6/2/2005 8:14:14 AM Mountain Standard Time,
boyter@mcsi.net writes:
Did "Olenik Aviation" go out of business are just change there phone #.
I would like to order a automatic mixture control.
Tom took a day job as full-time expert for a defense contractor, which
builds UAV (unmanned aerial vehicles) for the military.
He had to move and there was some discussion on what he'd continue to do
with Olenik Aviation.
Tom mentioned on Ultraflight Radio that without any A&P credentials, in
the world of Sport, he was not 'qualified' to do much of the stuff he's
been doing for years.
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: WillUribe@aol.com
Greetings Kolb fans,
Tom posted the following a while back;
"That about sums it up. Sport Pilot didn't recognize my years of experience
and the UAV industry did. Now I do everything I liked about the UL engine
business without people wanting something for nothing all the time. The thing
is
that I wasn't looking for a job. They found me.
BTW, in my travels, I have found some pretty awesome engines out there being
designed for UAV's that would make many fat UL's legal if we could ever fix
the civil litigation problem in our country.
Right now I'm still getting settled into the new location, but once that's
over with, I might upload a web site again. I just can't justify the liability
of working on UL engines anymore for such little return.
You can see the website for the company I work at now at:
http://www.aaicorp.com
Tom Olenik"
-----Original Message-----
--> Kolb-List message posted by: FS2Kolb@aol.com
Tom took a day job as full-time expert for a defense contractor, which
builds UAV (unmanned aerial vehicles) for the military.
He had to move and there was some discussion on what he'd continue to do
with Olenik Aviation.
Tom mentioned on Ultraflight Radio that without any A&P credentials, in
the world of Sport, he was not 'qualified' to do much of the stuff he's
been doing for years.
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| Subject: | Trailering a Kolb |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Many times I've read on the List about the importance of supporting the boom tube
while trailering our planes, and Vamoose' trailer is set up accordingly. While
at MV, I assisted (mostly watched & got in the way) Arizona Dave & wife Eve
shoehorn his Mk III into its' trailer. As well as setting the boom tube into
a dolly, he also hooked a ratcheting tie strap from the strut mounts under
the wings to a hook on the roof of the trailer. When the plane was anchored into
the trailer, he then took up the slack on the ratchet until the wings were
supported as well, taking the strain off the wingtip/boom tube supports. Struck
me as being a heck of a good idea, and if it's been mentioned here before,
I guess I missed it, or mis-understood it. Thanks, Dave. Vamoose will get the
same treatment, it's a great idea.
Speaking of Vamoose - the fuel system is out of it, new fuel pumps are here, and
I've had an awful time finding new bits and pieces to re-do it with the bigger
pumps. Things such as 1 3/4" Adell clamps, high pressure filters, etc. Work
is progressing, tho', (I finally got the clamps from A/C Spruce) and I hope
for engine start soon. Also, the rip in the wing is patched and finished thru
Poly-Spray, and ready to final paint. MV did give some fuel for the fire after
all. (this oughta give you skeptics some'pin to work on) :-)
Lar.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Building Kolb Mk III
N78LB Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
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| Subject: | Trailering a Kolb |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bob Dalton" <wiserguy@comcast.net>
Larry,
Go baby, go baby! You can do it!
Bob D.
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry Bourne
Subject: Kolb-List: Trailering a Kolb
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Many times I've read on the List about the importance of supporting the boom
tube while trailering our planes, and Vamoose' trailer is set up
accordingly. While at MV, I assisted (mostly watched & got in the way)
Arizona Dave & wife Eve shoehorn his Mk III into its' trailer. As well as
setting the boom tube into a dolly, he also hooked a ratcheting tie strap
from the strut mounts under the wings to a hook on the roof of the trailer.
When the plane was anchored into the trailer, he then took up the slack on
the ratchet until the wings were supported as well, taking the strain off
the wingtip/boom tube supports. Struck me as being a heck of a good idea,
and if it's been mentioned here before, I guess I missed it, or
mis-understood it. Thanks, Dave. Vamoose will get the same treatment, it's
a great idea.
Speaking of Vamoose - the fuel system is out of it, new fuel pumps are here,
and I've had an awful time finding new bits and pieces to re-do it with the
bigger pumps. Things such as 1 3/4" Adell clamps, high pressure filters,
etc. Work is progressing, tho', (I finally got the clamps from A/C Spruce)
and I hope for engine start soon. Also, the rip in the wing is patched and
finished thru Poly-Spray, and ready to final paint. MV did give some fuel
for the fire after all. (this oughta give you skeptics some'pin to
work on) :-) Lar.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Building Kolb Mk III
N78LB Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
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