Today's Message Index:
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1. 03:57 AM - Re: 503 jetting (John Jung)
2. 10:20 AM - Fathers Day Fly-in to Homer's (Terry Frantz)
3. 10:20 AM - Re: Hanger And Hauling (DAquaNut@aol.com)
4. 10:22 AM - Re: Fuel (PATRICK LADD)
5. 10:24 AM - Re: Hanger and Hauling (DAquaNut@aol.com)
6. 10:39 AM - Re: High pitched noise? (DAquaNut@aol.com)
7. 11:18 AM - Latest Trip Update (John Williamson)
8. 12:20 PM - Re: Latest Trip Update (Wayne T. McCullough)
9. 01:40 PM - UltraStar crash (ray anderson)
10. 02:41 PM - Re: High pitched noise? (Herb Gayheart)
11. 04:41 PM - main fusalage tube (Rick Pearce)
12. 04:42 PM - Fw: Exceeded package's bandwidth (BW) limit (JIM HEFNER)
13. 04:54 PM - Re: Latest Trip Update (Larry Bourne)
14. 04:57 PM - Re: Latest Trip Update (George E. Thompson)
15. 05:21 PM - Re: main fusalage tube (robert bean)
16. 05:27 PM - Re: main fusalage tube (Beauford)
17. 07:20 PM - Re: Fuel (James and Cathy Tripp)
18. 08:13 PM - Great Rotax News (Edward Chmielewski)
19. 09:43 PM - Re: 503 jetting (John Jung)
20. 10:06 PM - Re: Latest Trip Update (ElleryWeld@aol.com)
21. 10:39 PM - Re: High pitched noise? (DAquaNut@aol.com)
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Jung <jrjungjr@yahoo.com>
I changed from 158 to 150. I did the test flight to make sure that it
wasn't too lean. The chart shows the 150 to be ideal for 4500 feet if I
read it correctly.
I was sure that I had included that information. Senior moment? :)
John Jung
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: possums <possums@mindspring.com>
>
> At 02:09 PM 6/3/2005, you wrote:
>> --> Kolb-List message posted by: John Jung <jrjungjr@yahoo.com>
>>
>> Group,
>>
>> This morning I changed the jets in my 503
>
> What size did you go to - the next size down??
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| Subject: | Fathers Day Fly-in to Homer's |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Terry Frantz <tkrolfe@usadatanet.net>
Kolbers,
First let me say that I thoroughly enjoyed looking at the MV pictures
again this year and I am envious of those of you that could go there and
fly that beautiful scenery. Thanks for sharing the pic's and
stories!!!! Maybe next year?!!!!!!
Time to discuss the next event which is the Fathers day Fly-in to Homer
and Clara's farm at Phonexville. Actually, it is planned for the
Saturday, June 18th., before Fathers Day. This allows for Sunday as a
rain date which hopefully won't be needed. Clara again plans to provide
a picnic lunch for us, so if you would plan to arrive in the morning
sometime after 8:00 am.
This is the same weekend as the Shreveport North UL fly-in in York
County, PA. Some used that as a staging place and camp site to make the
trip to Homer's. I will again fly to Smoketown Airport east of
Lancaster, PA to meet up with any that want to tag along to the farm.
For those flying directly there the coordinates are as follows;
N 40deg 09' 34.9"
W 075deg 32' 30.0"
For those driving: Take rt. 23 north from Phonexville, PA until a Y and
bear to the right unto rt. 724 north. Look for a road on the right soon
after that called Pikeland Ave. Turn right on Pikeland and go to Wall
St. Turn right on Wall St. and continue to 580 Wall St. Farm lane on
the right.
Hope to see many of you there. I have a list of those that expressed
interest months ago and would like to confirm it so that I can give
Clara a count for her preparations for the picnic. Please let me know
if your not on the list or need to cancel.
Steve Green
Chuck Davis
Charles Blackwell
Gene Zimmerman
Earl Zimmerman
Bob Griffin
Tim
Bob Pondergrazz
John Hauck
Bill Varnes
Tom Ohara
Ken James
George Alexander
Gary Haley
Wilmer zimmerman
Jeff Tshutte
Joel Reed
Rick Klebon
Rick Hundley
Dan Walter
Bob Bennethum
Dick Bezzard
Terry Frantz
Looking forward to another great day at Homer's,
Terry - FireFly #95
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| Subject: | Re: Hanger And Hauling |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: DAquaNut@aol.com
Group,
I have made another step in the direction of becoming airborn! I
pulled my Kolb Firefly in its brand new trailer I built using the blueprints from
Duane the Plane as a guideline. I was concerned about hauling the Firefly in
the trailer without testing the trailer first, but I am pleased to say, that
it arrived at its new home without a scratch, due no doubt to the fixtures I
made to support the plane in transit, using all of the information, from
pictures, comments, and so forth from this list. Thanks to all of the " Pros"
that are willing to share there experiences which in turn benefits others.
That really makes this list special!
I actually got to taxi it at slow speed. No big deal to most, but after
approx. 8 years of building an enclosed trailer and plane I felt a sense of
satisfaction, knowing I am another step closer to committing aviation again.
Ed ( In Houston)
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "PATRICK LADD" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
Also what type of oil do most of you use.>>
Hi all,
for what its worth I have always used BP 2stroke Oil for air cooled
engines.
I also always use half litre bottles. I realise that it is an expensive way
to buy but it has the advantage of total cleanliness and a half litre
bottle straight into a 25 litre drum gives me the 50/1 ratio.
A couple of bottles stowed away enables me to refill and mix the 25 litre
barrel I carry on the back seat when 2 stroke is not available away from
home.
Cheers
Pat
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| Subject: | Re: Hanger and Hauling |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: DAquaNut@aol.com
Sorry for the DO NOT ARCHIVE in my last post!
Ed
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| Subject: | Re: High pitched noise? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: DAquaNut@aol.com
Gang,
My 447 has only about 1.5 hours on it. I hear this high pitched sound
that does not sound good at all! I dont hear it at all until the engine
warms up a bit. It sounds like it could be metallic. I'm hoping it is the fan
belt. Is it common to have to tighten a fan belt, during break-in?
Ed ( in Houston)
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| Subject: | Latest Trip Update |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Williamson" <kolbrapilot2@comcast.net>
Since I flew the whole trip in a Kolb aircraft, I assume this is Kolb
related.
I just updated the information and photos on the trip just completed.
Website address is below.
John Williamson
Arlington, TX
Kolb Kolbra, Rotax 912ULS, 812 hours
http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot
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| Subject: | Re: Latest Trip Update |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Wayne T. McCullough" <blackbird754@alltel.net>
Ahhhhh.....JOHN.....................yep Kolb related.......pics are great
..........
One of these days.........I will be there................
Wayne
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Williamson" <kolbrapilot2@comcast.net>
Subject: Kolb-List: Latest Trip Update
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Williamson"
> <kolbrapilot2@comcast.net>
>
> Since I flew the whole trip in a Kolb aircraft, I assume this is Kolb
> related.
>
> I just updated the information and photos on the trip just completed.
> Website address is below.
>
> John Williamson
> Arlington, TX
>
> Kolb Kolbra, Rotax 912ULS, 812 hours
> http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot
>
> do not archive
>
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: ray anderson <rsanoa@yahoo.com>
I talked to one of the first to get to the crash scene of the Kolb UltraStar,
Mike Lohle of Lohle Aviation, and after examining the wreckage, both
at the scene and after it was stored at Tullahoma Airport, he feels strongly that
there probably was not a structural failure in flight. The pilot of the Air
Bike who was flying in the pattern at the time, and reported seeing a wing fold,
might have seen an optical illusion so to speak. He probably was at least
500 - 700 feet high because he had taken off in the opposite direction and was
headed back in the direction of the crash site when he saw what he thought was
a model airplane in the air. He thought he saw a wing fold. To appear as the
size of a small model, the plane he saw had to be a considerable distance away.
It was, about a mile or a little more. He being at a higher altitude than
the Kolb's 200 ft., would have had him viewing the plane on a background of trees,
buildings and ground clutter.
Lohle saw the welds that had broken loose as well as the reported rust
areas. He said the craft literally disintegrated on impact. But he saw the clusters
where the strut attached to the cage and he thought they had given way
from the enormity of the impact. Certainly poor welding but he didn't think they
would have separated in dead calm air, which they had that early morning.
He saw other welds where the tubing had separated around the weld. He saw where
one strut end and clevis pin pulled through the fitting. Shoulder straps and
seat belt had broken and the pilot was thrown from the craft. It appears the
engine was running at cruise power or more and no throttle closing before impact.
It hit straight nose down.
After a couple of days, and nights, thinking of every aspect, he thinks
this is what happened, and I and a couple of others familiar with the incident
agree. The owner was connected with some sort of business either building or
using large concrete and cement objects. There is a large concrete manufacturing
plant about one mile from the flyin site and it has large quantities of their
products, piping, etc laid out in their yards and the airplane nosed in not
far from the edge of their property. We believe he was circling over the plant
getting a good look at these products he had a personal interest in. It has
been established that he was about 200 feet high when it went down. He was primarily
a Trike pilot with very few hours in the Kolb. He still owned a Trike.
Very different flight controls. We believe he was circling the Cement plant,
not watching his airspeed and had a full power stall and instant wing up and
fast spin the remainder of the 200 feet. The Ultra St
ar, and
I presume some of the later Kolbs, can get away from you with a power stall and
break, with a wing coming up. 200 feet is probably late for even experienced
pilots.
He never actuated his ballistic chute, with good reason. He had not removed
the safety pip pin that locks the pull handle. The chute popped on impact
when the cable to the rocket motor stretched with the disintegration of the
plane.
We feel the AirBike pilot, being so far away and only casually looking
at the Kolb, thinking it was a small model, saw it roll and spiral (spin) and
after hearing of the crash, assumed it had a wing fold. Seeing that maneuver
more or less out of the corner of your eye so to speak, since he was busy flying
his AirBike, one might think the model had folded a wing.
A couple of us have permission to reexamine the wreckage once more Monday
and every thing will get a close look once more before it is hauled off and
disposed of somehow.
Once again, we feel the Kolb did not have a structural in flight failure,
but was pilot error, with inexperience, diverted attention at low altitude
and resulting power stall, with a fast drop and spin. Even if the safety pin had
been removed from the chute, it's not likely that the low time pilot, with
strong instincts for the Trike controls, would have had time to use it
I hesitated to add this closing bit, but maybe it might be a good thing
if we Kolbers who have the control cables running up the cage behind the pilot,
add another strong feed thru about half way up. I'm doing it on my UltraStar.
When the violent impact and break up of the airframe occurred, one of the
control cables got around Mr. Pimm's neck and decapitated him as he was thrown
away from the airplane, and a section of cable was removed from him at the hospital
where he was taken. Very messy but a quick death.
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| Subject: | Re: High pitched noise? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Herb Gayheart <herbgh@juno.com>
Oil in the gear box?? Herb
On Sat, 4 Jun 2005 13:39:32 EDT DAquaNut@aol.com writes:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: DAquaNut@aol.com
>
> Gang,
>
> My 447 has only about 1.5 hours on it. I hear this high
> pitched sound
> that does not sound good at all! I dont hear it at all until the
> engine
> warms up a bit. It sounds like it could be metallic. I'm hoping
> it is the fan
> belt. Is it common to have to tighten a fan belt, during break-in?
>
>
>
> Ed ( in Houston)
>
>
> Do not archive
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | main fusalage tube |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Rick Pearce" <rap@isp.com>
I installed the H section in the fusalage tube today. And installed it on the
cage. I can find no place in the plans on how you are supose to attach the
front ring. It has 6 3/16" holes. Does it bolt on or do you use 3/16" steel pop
rivets?
Rick Pearce Parsons KS
do not archieve
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| Subject: | Fw: Exceeded package's bandwidth (BW) limit |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "JIM HEFNER" <hefner_jim@msn.com>
For Photosite users, here is Homestead's Bandwidth explanation.... I didn't know
there was a daily bandwidth limit.... that is what happened in my case now that
I know that... I could have waited a day and it would have fixed itself, but
not knowing that, I went ahead and upgraded. Maybe they don't want to explain
bandwidth too well so people like me will go ahead and upgrade to fix the
problem.... $$$
Jim
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----- Original Message -----
From: Photosite Support<mailto:support@photositesupport.com>
Subject: Re: Exceeded package's bandwidth (BW) limit
Hello Jim,
Thank you for contacting us. I hope I can be of some assistance.
Each time someone visits your PhotoSite, our servers send copies of files to the
visitor's computer. Each of these copies has a certain file size (data). We
restrict how much data your account sends visitors every day and every month.
The total amount of data your account can send in one day and in one month
is referred to as 'bandwidth'.
When your account reaches its bandwidth limit, our servers refuse file requests
from visitors until your account's daily or monthly bandwidth limit resets.
Your bandwidth resets each month, on the day the account was first created, or
on the 28th of each month, whichever comes first.
To see how much bandwidth you have currently used...
1. Log in to your account at 'www.photosite.com'.
2. Click the 'My Account' tab.
3. Under the 'Bandwidth' heading, check your bandwidth statistics.
I hope that you have a great day! Please let me know if you have any other questions.
Regards,
Dean
PhotoSite Support
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| Subject: | Re: Latest Trip Update |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Just like a magic carpet, and then some. Terrific trip, John, and great
pictures. The section thru Orofino, Idaho really got to me with great
memories, since I spent 8 years of my life as a timber faller in the
mountains near there, in Weippe, Idaho. Thanks much. Lar.
Do not Archive.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Building Kolb Mk III
N78LB Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Williamson" <kolbrapilot2@comcast.net>
Subject: Kolb-List: Latest Trip Update
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Williamson"
> <kolbrapilot2@comcast.net>
>
> Since I flew the whole trip in a Kolb aircraft, I assume this is Kolb
> related.
>
> I just updated the information and photos on the trip just completed.
> Website address is below.
>
> John Williamson
> Arlington, TX
>
> Kolb Kolbra, Rotax 912ULS, 812 hours
> http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot
>
> do not archive
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>
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| Subject: | Re: Latest Trip Update |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "George E. Thompson" <eagle1@commspeed.net>
Just looked at all your pictures John. They were fantastic! I often wonder
what the people in the East of our great country would say if they saw some
of these.I am proud to say that I have seen most of these places.
Az Bald Eagle
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----- Original Message -----
From: "John Williamson" <kolbrapilot2@comcast.net>
Subject: Kolb-List: Latest Trip Update
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Williamson"
> <kolbrapilot2@comcast.net>
>
> Since I flew the whole trip in a Kolb aircraft, I assume this is Kolb
> related.
>
> I just updated the information and photos on the trip just completed.
> Website address is below.
>
> John Williamson
> Arlington, TX
>
> Kolb Kolbra, Rotax 912ULS, 812 hours
> http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot
>
> do not archive
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: main fusalage tube |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
Rick, I used bolts. Sure a lot easier to remove if that need ever
arises.
If you install a long one it makes for a handy fuselage ground.
-BB do not archive
On 4, Jun 2005, at 7:38 PM, Rick Pearce wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Rick Pearce" <rap@isp.com>
>
> I installed the H section in the fusalage tube today. And
> installed it on the cage. I can find no place in the plans on how you
> are supose to attach the front ring. It has 6 3/16" holes. Does it
> bolt on or do you use 3/16" steel pop rivets?
> Rick Pearce Parsons KS
> do not archieve
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: main fusalage tube |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Beauford" <beauford@tampabay.rr.com>
Rick: The Firefly tube bolts to the cage ring with six AN3-5A bolts... I
would not use pop rivets.
Beauford
FF#076
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Rick Pearce" <rap@isp.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: main fusalage tube
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Rick Pearce" <rap@isp.com>
>
> I installed the H section in the fusalage tube today. And installed it
> on the cage. I can find no place in the plans on how you are supose to
> attach the front ring. It has 6 3/16" holes. Does it bolt on or do you
> use 3/16" steel pop rivets?
> Rick Pearce Parsons KS
> do not archieve
>
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: " James and Cathy Tripp" <jtripp@elmore.rr.com>
Bill,
The mix is the same no matter which fuel you use. I have used Wal-Mart
2-cycle oil from the first start up 87 hours ago. The price is right and the
availability is great.
James Tripp
FS II
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Billie Futrell
Subject: Kolb-List: Fuel
--> Kolb-List message posted by: " Billie Futrell"
<bill_joe@bellsouth.net>
Hello Gang,
A friend of mine has a 582 on his plane and he asked me what you do when
you go from home base and have to use aviation fuel. I'm sure you can use it
but is the oil mix the same? I told him I would get a good answer for I know
you guys know. Also what type of oil do most of you use.
Thanks
Do Not Archive
Bill Futrell MK111 Xtra
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| Subject: | Great Rotax News |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Edward Chmielewski" <edchmiel@mindspring.com>
Fellow Rotax 503/582 Owners,
The following was posted on www.aero-news.net earlier today:
Rotax Engine/Gearbox Trade-In Program
Trade For New Rotax 503, 582 Engines
Coming on the heels of the very
successful 2004 Rotax Trade-in program, All US Rotax Service
Centers are now offering a limited time a new Trade-In Program for
qualified Rotax, Hirth and 2SI Engines with Gearboxes. Qualifying
engines can be Traded for new Rotax 503 or 582 engines equipped
with either "B","C", or "E" gearboxes.
All trade-in engines must be found in the Rotax serial number
database and include a gearbox to qualify. To see if your engine
qualifies have your seven digit serial number available and contact
your nearest Rotax Service Center. Hirth Engines must two cycle
engine from 40 to 65 hp and also must include a gearbox. 2SI
engines must be 35 hp or more and include a gearbox as well.
Trade-in credit can be applied for the purchase of any new Rotax
503 or 582 engine and gearbox combo. Rotax 503 credit is $750.00.
Rotax 582 credit is $810.00. All engines purchased or traded in
must include a gearbox.
This program is effect for a three month period from June 1,
2005 and ending on August 31, 2005 and is available from all Rotax
Service Centers.
FMI: www.800-Airwolf.com
For the WHOLE story, go to http://www.aero-news.net/news/sport.cfm?ContentBlockID=ae0a83a7-51f0-4a13-a0a5-85b1e3e8bff5
Ed in JXN
Kolb MkII/503
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Jung <jrjungjr@yahoo.com>
Group,
Good news!
Here is the rest of the jetting story. Today, I flew 4.6 hours at 60
mph and burned 14.6 gallons, for 3.0 gph or 20 mpg. Two weeks ago,
before changing jets and in record heat, I burned 4.3 gph at 65 mph, or
15 mpg.
Prior to that I had been burning 3.3 gph at 60 and 3.8 at 65.
The 3.0 gph at 60 mph gives a 200 mile range on 10 gallons. The only
other time that my plane ever got 20 mpg was a flight with a
Quicksilver at 45 mph.
So the change from recommended jets made at least a 10% reduction in
fuel burn which is a surprising improvement.
Here is the possible down side. When I was 25 miles from home, I had
5,000 feet of altitude to lose to get down to pattern altitude. So I
pulled the throttle back to 5,000 rpm, and started a 200 fpm decent,
holding about 60 mph. That worked O.K. unless I let the decent increase
to 400 fpm, because then the EGT's exceeded 1200 degrees. This was not
a problem, because the EIS's red light let me know immediately. But
with analog gages, I would not run a Firestar that lean.
For review, the 158 main jets were replaced with 150's and the needle
jets were lowered on notch -> 10% less fuel.
John Jung
Surprise, AZ
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| Subject: | Re: Latest Trip Update |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: ElleryWeld@aol.com
thats a well detailed web sight you got there I hope to be able to meet up
with some of you guys in the future
Total rebuild and making mods to the original firestar
Ellery
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: DAquaNut@aol.com
In a message dated 6/4/2005 4:42:23 P.M. Central Standard Time,
herbgh@juno.com writes:
Oil in the gear box?? Herb
On Sat, 4 Jun 2005 13:39:32 EDT DAquaNut@aol.com writes:
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Herb,
That is the first thing I checked and It is to the bottom screw hole.
Ed
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