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1. 12:28 AM - Re: Firestar aerodynamics (possums)
2. 01:45 AM - Re: Vortex Generation Hell (possums)
3. 06:04 AM - Re: Trailering a Kolb (Tom O'Hara)
4. 07:44 AM - Re: Firestar aerodynamics (woody)
5. 08:24 AM - Re: Firestar aerodynamics (robert bean)
6. 08:31 AM - Re: MV and Beyond (George T. Alexander, Jr.)
7. 10:18 AM - Re: Firestar aerodynamics (Eugene Zimmerman)
8. 01:09 PM - Re: MV and Beyond (pollus)
9. 02:26 PM - Re: Trailering a Kolb (Denny Rowe)
10. 02:29 PM - Re: D-Day (PATRICK LADD)
11. 02:47 PM - Re: Vortex Generation Hell (Beauford)
12. 02:53 PM - Thanks (PATRICK LADD)
13. 04:57 PM - Fw: Vortex Generation Hell (Beauford)
14. 06:45 PM - Re: MV and Beyond (George T. Alexander, Jr.)
15. 08:40 PM - Re: Monument Valley (Richard & Martha Neilsen)
16. 09:07 PM - Re: More MV Photos (Larry Bourne)
17. 09:12 PM - Re: Monument Valley (Larry Bourne)
18. 09:36 PM - Re: Monument Valley (Larry Bourne)
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| Subject: | Re: Firestar aerodynamics |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: possums <possums@mindspring.com>
At 02:10 AM 6/8/2005, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: possums <possums@mindspring.com>
>
>At 07:10 PM 6/7/2005, you wrote:
> >--> Kolb-List message posted by: Eugene Zimmerman
> ><eugenezimmerman@dejazzd.com>
> >
> >Could you guys who have a full screen windshield on your Firestar
> >describe how you hinged it to open? A picture or two would be helpful
> >also.
> >Thanks.
Here's another way -
http://sos.photosite.com/Album3/
But it's more fun without the windscreen at all.
http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/possums@mindspring.com.07.26.2002/
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| Subject: | Re: Vortex Generation Hell |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: possums <possums@mindspring.com>
At 11:10 PM 11/27/2004, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Beauford" <beauford@tampabay.rr.com>
>
>Kolb Faithful.....
>
>I have crouched covertly in the e-mail
>-=====================================================================
Beauford - check the bandwidth on this thing - time it takes to download -
photosite beta.
Click on "slideshow". It's quick here, but maybe not on your end??
http://sos.photosite.com/Album4/-
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| Subject: | Re: Trailering a Kolb |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Tom O'Hara" <tohara@alphagraphics.com>
I just returned from an adventure-- bought a MKIII in N. WI and for several
reasons could not fly it back to PA. Seller and I took 1+ days to rig a
U-Haul 26' trailer. Drove 1288 miles unloaded with NO damage; leading edges
did not have any hanger (or truck) rash. Had both mains chocked and tied
down with #12 guage wire, and the tail boom supported so that tail wheel was
1" off the floor of trailer. Cushioned the boom with 6" of foam. Wings
were removed and each was supported with 3-18" of carpet that was cushioned
by 1" of foam. Wing root has held secure with a homemade brace to the
mounting hardward. 4" of foam was used to keep wings from hitting the sides
of the truck. Load tape was passed under the carpet as I was concerned that
carpet would tear-- it did not. I stopped every 2 hrs. to stretch and to
check the bird. Only thing that moved was the wire around the tires-- had
to move into the tread every 4 hours or so.
Now cann't wait to get my feet off the ground in MY Kolb.
Not quite like driving 10 miles to the strip-- but if anyone is interested I
have some pics.
----- Original Message -----
From: "woody" <duesouth@govital.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Trailering a Kolb
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "woody" <duesouth@govital.net>
>
> My Mk 3 had a broken tail boom from it being transported without the
boom
> supported.
>
>
> >
> > Pat /All.
> > I understand the main reason of supporting the boom while in transit is
to
> > keep the weight off the tail wheel rod so as not to bend it.
> >
> > Mike
> > Xtra/Jab 2200
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Firestar aerodynamics |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "woody" <duesouth@govital.net>
He went to a huge amount of time and effort trying 2 or 3
> other shapes and lengths, and eventually wound up with the stock Kolb
> wingtips. Food for thought. Lar.
>
Such is the joy of experimental aviating. Success or failure is not as
important as having tried something new. Thats my philosophy anyway.
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| Subject: | Re: Firestar aerodynamics |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
Some of us are determined to re-invent the wheel.
After doing it wrong a couple times, right feels so much better.
With the low aspect ratio of a kolb wing, fancy wingtips would be
hard to notice. Winglets anybody?
Reporting on my R. Pike aileron crankarm hole relocation:
going only half the distance he did still resulted in a great
improvement.
I like it.
-BB do not archive
On 8, Jun 2005, at 10:36 AM, woody wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "woody" <duesouth@govital.net>
>
>
> He went to a huge amount of time and effort trying 2 or 3
>> other shapes and lengths, and eventually wound up with the stock Kolb
>> wingtips. Food for thought. Lar.
>>
>
>
> Such is the joy of experimental aviating. Success or failure is not
> as
> important as having tried something new. Thats my philosophy anyway.
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "George T. Alexander, Jr." <gtalexander@att.net>
Kolbers:
Have added a few more contributors of images re: the MV trip.
Site is at:
http://home.comcast.net/~kolbflyer
Fun, Safe Flying
George Alexander
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: Firestar aerodynamics |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Eugene Zimmerman <eugenezimmerman@dejazzd.com>
Thanks for the picts.
How has your wing tip modification effected performance?
On Jun 8, 2005, at 2:10 AM, possums wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: possums <possums@mindspring.com>
>
> At 07:10 PM 6/7/2005, you wrote:
>> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Eugene Zimmerman
>> <eugenezimmerman@dejazzd.com>
>>
>> Could you guys who have a full screen windshield on your Firestar
>> describe how you hinged it to open? A picture or two would be helpful
>> also.
>> Thanks.
>
>
> They used to sell a kit for this but here's a picture or two.
> I got the "high" sides so it's harder to get into, but
> funner to fly - like a "X-Wing" star fighter - ha
> all strapped in and nobody can touch you.
>
> http://www.mindspring.com/~possums/Airscoops.jpg
>
> http://www.mindspring.com/~possums/Sideview.jpg
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: MV and Beyond |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: pollus <pollus@fornerod.nl>
Hey! Thanks for sharing the MV pictures! Flying thru such a magic
landscape must be great!
I really like the video clips.
I wish the videoclips where available in higher quality. Obviously that
would exeed some bandwith limits, but maybe we could share a high
resolution version by means of Bittorrent or the likes. I mean that is
exactly where this technology was meant for (the authors claim).
Just a thought. Anyone knows how to do it?
Greeting from Holland
Pollus
Op 8-jun-05 om 17:31 heeft George T. Alexander, Jr. het volgende
geschreven:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "George T. Alexander, Jr."
> <gtalexander@att.net>
>
> Kolbers:
> Have added a few more contributors of images re: the MV trip.
> Site is at:
>
> http://home.comcast.net/~kolbflyer
>
> Fun, Safe Flying
> George Alexander
>
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Trailering a Kolb |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Denny Rowe" <rowedl@highstream.net>
Tom,
Where in PA are you?
Denny Rowe
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom O'Hara" <tohara@alphagraphics.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Trailering a Kolb
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Tom O'Hara" <tohara@alphagraphics.com>
>
> I just returned from an adventure-- bought a MKIII in N. WI and for
> several
> reasons could not fly it back to PA. Seller and I took 1+ days to rig a
> U-Haul 26' trailer. Drove 1288 miles unloaded with NO damage; leading
> edges
> did not have any hanger (or truck) rash. Had both mains chocked and tied
> down with #12 guage wire, and the tail boom supported so that tail wheel
> was
> 1" off the floor of trailer. Cushioned the boom with 6" of foam. Wings
> were removed and each was supported with 3-18" of carpet that was
> cushioned
> by 1" of foam. Wing root has held secure with a homemade brace to the
> mounting hardward. 4" of foam was used to keep wings from hitting the
> sides
> of the truck. Load tape was passed under the carpet as I was concerned
> that
> carpet would tear-- it did not. I stopped every 2 hrs. to stretch and to
> check the bird. Only thing that moved was the wire around the tires-- had
> to move into the tread every 4 hours or so.
>
> Now cann't wait to get my feet off the ground in MY Kolb.
>
> Not quite like driving 10 miles to the strip-- but if anyone is interested
> I
> have some pics.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "woody" <duesouth@govital.net>
> To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Trailering a Kolb
>
>
>> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "woody" <duesouth@govital.net>
>>
>> My Mk 3 had a broken tail boom from it being transported without the
> boom
>> supported.
>>
>>
>> >
>> > Pat /All.
>> > I understand the main reason of supporting the boom while in transit is
> to
>> > keep the weight off the tail wheel rod so as not to bend it.
>> >
>> > Mike
>> > Xtra/Jab 2200
>>
>>
>
>
> --
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "PATRICK LADD" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
<<Some days later came the Brits but because they were
better looking they got all the girls.>>
Yeah. well that figures..
<<Ironically, the folks that hit our beaches nowadays are the Germans.
They invade us by thousands on a sunny day.>>
My Rotary Club has a connection with St. Lo which was right in the middle of
the sweep in from the beaches. They also have a connection with a German
Club.#
When the Germans visited the French took them to Point de Hoc. They say the
coach was very quiet on the return journey!!
If you think it strange that Germans want to revisit France you should see
the thousands of Japs who invade Pearl Harbor every year.
Kolb. painting nearly finished. Kiwimick reports that the engineering chief
from the Popular Flying Assoc who has to pass the Jabi/Kolb combination flew
it yesterday ans was full of praise and considered the plane `transformed`.
He also liked the VG`s.
Noise test only to pass now.
Cheers
Pat
I think it takes a simplification like "The longest day" to explain it
to our kids...
--
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| Subject: | Re: Vortex Generation Hell |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Beauford" <beauford@tampabay.rr.com>
Brother Sullivan...
It downloaded 'jus fine, Sir... but them pictures with the nubile young
ladies in them were conspicuously
smaller than the other'ns... had to squint some.... got a little spit on
the screen....
Thankee,
b.
----- Original Message -----
From: "possums" <possums@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Vortex Generation Hell
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: possums <possums@mindspring.com>
>
> At 11:10 PM 11/27/2004, you wrote:
>>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Beauford" <beauford@tampabay.rr.com>
>>
>>Kolb Faithful.....
>>
>>I have crouched covertly in the e-mail
>>-=====================================================================
>
> Beauford - check the bandwidth on this thing - time it takes to download -
> photosite beta.
> Click on "slideshow". It's quick here, but maybe not on your end??
>
> http://sos.photosite.com/Album4/-
>
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "PATRICK LADD" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
Hi all,
thanks to everyone for their input on manhandling/trailering the Xtra.
Lots of good ideas and super pics. which i shall rob diligently.
Incidentally, KiwiMick the Kolb dealer for the UK and Europe who has been working
hard to get the Jabi engined Xtra approved reports that the PFA Inspector flew
the machine yesterday and announce it `transformed` so just the `noise test`
to get through now and we are free and clear to upgrade from the Rotax.
No doubt kiwimick will give a blow by blow account if anyone wants it.
Cheers
Pat
do not archive
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| Subject: | Vortex Generation Hell |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Beauford" <beauford@tampabay.rr.com>
Kolbers
My profound apologies for accidently transmitting the message intended
solely for Possum to the entire list...
There was something foreign on my monitor screen and I could not view the
address line clearly at the time...
I promise I will do better in the future... I have already poured myself a
large glass of Seafoam, and am
presently planning to drink it as penance for this transgression...
(Actually, I plan to pour some into the mighty Rotax's plug holes this very
weekend...)
Do Not Archive...
Beauford
FF #076
P.S. No, Lar... you cannot see the pictures....go back to sleep....
----- Original Message -----
From: "Beauford" <beauford@tampabay.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Vortex Generation Hell
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Beauford" <beauford@tampabay.rr.com>
>
> Brother Sullivan...
> It downloaded 'jus fine, Sir... but them pictures with the nubile young
> ladies in them were conspicuously
> smaller than the other'ns... had to squint some.... got a little spit on
> the screen....
> Thankee,
> b.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "possums" <possums@mindspring.com>
> To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Vortex Generation Hell
>
>
>> --> Kolb-List message posted by: possums <possums@mindspring.com>
>>
>> At 11:10 PM 11/27/2004, you wrote:
>>>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Beauford" <beauford@tampabay.rr.com>
>>>
>>>Kolb Faithful.....
>>>
>>>I have crouched covertly in the e-mail
>>>-=====================================================================
>>
>> Beauford - check the bandwidth on this thing - time it takes to
>> download -
>> photosite beta.
>> Click on "slideshow". It's quick here, but maybe not on your end??
>>
>> http://sos.photosite.com/Album4/-
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "George T. Alexander, Jr." <gtalexander@att.net>
Kolbers:
With profoundest apologies to John Williamson, please be advised that I
added the link to his write-up with pictures.
Sorry about that John. Wasn't intentional, I assure you.
Site is at:
http://home.comcast.net/~kolbflyer
Fun, Safe Flying
George Alexander
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: Monument Valley |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard & Martha Neilsen" <NeilsenRM05@comcast.net>
Does anyone have a good photo of the group sitting around the camp. I'm also
looking for a good photo of the Caravans and /or Twin Otters.
Thanks everyone for your input on the article and the great photos I wish we
could publish more photos because there are just so many great ones.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW powered MKIIIc
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| Subject: | Re: More MV Photos |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Looks good to me, Rick. I'm not sure which ones you're still waiting for,
but let me know. There's lots of MV pics on the 2 previous pages, too, from
2003 and 2004........'specially on the '03 page. Let me know, too, what
resolution they want, and I'll send them to you.
It was good to finally meet you at MV. Guess it was kind of hectic, but it
doesn't seem like we had much time to talk. Later, I'll want to talk more
about your engine mount setup, and see some more pics.
Lar.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Building Kolb Mk III
N78LB Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard & Martha Neilsen" <NeilsenRM05@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: More MV Photos
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard & Martha Neilsen"
> <NeilsenRM05@comcast.net>
>
> John/Everyone
>
> Very nice photos. Thanks for sharing them.
>
> For those of you that were sill out flying after Monument Valley I got a
> response from Mary Jones at EAA's Sport Pilot. She promised that she would
> publish a report of our Monument Valley flyin if I sent her a write up and
> photos. So I asked for everyone's best photos to be placed on George
> Alexander's web site at http://home.comcast.net/~kolbflyer/ by sending
> George a copy of you best photos at gtalexander@att.net
> We didn't get very good response to this request so I went ahead and
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| Subject: | Re: Monument Valley |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Nope. My people pics don't seem to do too well. The ones I took all have
unflattering aspects to some of the people, and limited numbers of people.
Come to think of it, tho', those highly unpopular flash photos I took Friday
night are.........different. I t'ink I might just photoshare a couple of
them. How, 'bout it, Jim Hefner ?? Jim's one guy who does
do great people shots, but I think he's off on his motorcycle trip.
Lar. Do not Archive.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Building Kolb Mk III
N78LB Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard & Martha Neilsen" <NeilsenRM05@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Monument Valley
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard & Martha Neilsen"
> <NeilsenRM05@comcast.net>
>
> Does anyone have a good photo of the group sitting around the camp. I'm
> also
> looking for a good photo of the Caravans and /or Twin Otters.
>
> Thanks everyone for your input on the article and the great photos I wish
> we
> could publish more photos because there are just so many great ones.
>
> Rick Neilsen
> Redrive VW powered MKIIIc
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Monument Valley |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
OK, it's done. I sent 2 of those - uh - highly popular - flash photos to
photoshare just now. I hope you-all enjoy them. Lar.
Do not Archive.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Building Kolb Mk III
N78LB Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Monument Valley
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
>
> Nope. My people pics don't seem to do too well. The ones I took all have
> unflattering aspects to some of the people, and limited numbers of people.
> Come to think of it, tho', those highly unpopular flash photos I took
> Friday
> night are.........different. I t'ink I might just photoshare a couple of
> them. How, 'bout it, Jim Hefner ?? Jim's one guy who
> does
> do great people shots, but I think he's off on his motorcycle trip.
> Lar. Do not Archive.
>
> Larry Bourne
> Palm Springs, CA
> Building Kolb Mk III
> N78LB Vamoose
> www.gogittum.com
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Richard & Martha Neilsen" <NeilsenRM05@comcast.net>
> To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Monument Valley
>
>
>> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard & Martha Neilsen"
>> <NeilsenRM05@comcast.net>
>>
>> Does anyone have a good photo of the group sitting around the camp. I'm
>> also
>> looking for a good photo of the Caravans and /or Twin Otters.
>>
>> Thanks everyone for your input on the article and the great photos I wish
>> we
>> could publish more photos because there are just so many great ones.
>>
>> Rick Neilsen
>> Redrive VW powered MKIIIc
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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