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1. 04:00 AM - Re: floats (PATRICK LADD)
2. 04:57 AM - Re: Latest Trip Update (GeoR38@aol.com)
3. 05:49 AM - Re: Latest Trip Update (Wayne @ Engravers.net)
4. 06:47 AM - Re: Cockpit Noise? (Creech, Lee (GOLD))
5. 06:53 AM - Re: Naked SlingShot ? (Rusty)
6. 08:24 AM - Re: floats (Larry Bourne)
7. 08:56 AM - Re: Naked SlingShot ? (possums)
8. 08:58 AM - Re: First flight tendances (DAquaNut@aol.com)
9. 09:04 AM - Re: Father's Day Fly-in (ghaley@wt.net)
10. 09:33 AM - Re: Naked SlingShot ? (Richard & Martha Neilsen)
11. 10:18 AM - Re: Naked SlingShot ? (dama@mindspring.com)
12. 10:42 AM - Re: First flight tendances (robert bean)
13. 11:12 AM - Re: Alaska flying (roger lee)
14. 12:13 PM - Re: First flight tendances (Don Gherardini)
15. 12:32 PM - Test Message (Guy Morgan)
16. 12:33 PM - Re: Annual Kolb Flyin at Monument valley (Richard & Martha Neilsen)
17. 01:11 PM - Re: Naked SlingShot ? (Rusty)
18. 01:15 PM - Re: Naked SlingShot ? (Rusty)
19. 02:06 PM - Re: floats (PATRICK LADD)
20. 02:06 PM - Re: SlingShot; Fuel Tank: CG ing Without Wings (Charlie England)
21. 02:09 PM - Re: Wanted: Dead or Alive--75mm Prop Flange (Richard Swiderwski)
22. 02:37 PM - Re: floats aka Acro $ (Bob N.)
23. 02:49 PM - Re: floats aka Acro $ (Michael Sharp)
24. 03:07 PM - Re: Naked SlingShot ? (woody)
25. 03:10 PM - Re: SlingShot; Fuel Tank: CG ing Without Wings (George E. Myers Jr.)
26. 03:18 PM - Re: floats aka Acro $ (Beauford)
27. 05:21 PM - Re: floats aka Acro $ (Kolbdriver)
28. 07:33 PM - Re: SlingShot; Fuel Tank: CG ing Without Wings (Charlie England)
29. 08:26 PM - Re: floats aka Acro $ (Don Gherardini)
30. 10:08 PM - Re: SlingShot; Fuel Tank: CG ing Without Wings (Denny Rowe)
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "PATRICK LADD" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
are you referring to the fella that went down with a passenger a coupla
years
ago in key west waters?>>
Hi George,
different guy. This one is still operating from Key West. He just happened
to have electrical problems with his Quick on the only day I could make it.
I flew a jet, an L-39, from Tropical Fighters at Marathon while I was there
and they told me about the Quick on floats which had crashed a while ago. No
details about how or why.
Cheers
Pat
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| Subject: | Re: Latest Trip Update |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: GeoR38@aol.com
In a message dated 6/4/2005 2:19:29 PM Eastern Standard Time,
kolbrapilot2@comcast.net writes:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Williamson" <
> kolbrapilot2@comcast.net>
>
> Since I flew the whole trip in a Kolb aircraft, I assume this is Kolb
> related.
>
> I just updated the information and photos on the trip just completed.
> Website address is below.
>
> John Williamson
> Arlington, TX
>
> Kolb Kolbra, Rotax 912ULS, 812 hours
> http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot
>
Jonathon.....all I can say is an unqualified..................wow.
what a great adventure....and what an absolutely wonderful way to to tell the
story~!!...I love your website...and your running narrative technique!! I
was actually there with you, buddy...I was actually there.....except for the
wind in my face....and ...well, the bumpiness of the cloud thermals....and
.......er ...the fresh smells.....and ....the ....sounds.
geeez, I guess I really wasn't there at MV.....but I sure thought I was.
I merely say.......thank you .
George Randolph
Firestar driver from The Villages
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| From: | "Wayne @ Engravers.net" <wayne@engravers.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Latest Trip Update |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Wayne @ Engravers.net" <wayne@engravers.net>
I was very impressed to you went though the effort to share your trips like
you did.
Thanks for the enjoyable read and pictures.
Wayne
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----- Original Message -----
From: <GeoR38@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Latest Trip Update
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: GeoR38@aol.com
>
> In a message dated 6/4/2005 2:19:29 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> kolbrapilot2@comcast.net writes:
>
>> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Williamson" <
>> kolbrapilot2@comcast.net>
>>
>> Since I flew the whole trip in a Kolb aircraft, I assume this is Kolb
>> related.
>>
>> I just updated the information and photos on the trip just completed.
>> Website address is below.
>>
>> John Williamson
>> Arlington, TX
>>
>> Kolb Kolbra, Rotax 912ULS, 812 hours
>> http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot
>>
>
> Jonathon.....all I can say is an unqualified..................wow.
> what a great adventure....and what an absolutely wonderful way to to tell
> the
> story~!!...I love your website...and your running narrative technique!! I
> was actually there with you, buddy...I was actually there.....except for
> the
> wind in my face....and ...well, the bumpiness of the cloud thermals....and
> .......er ...the fresh smells.....and ....the ....sounds.
> geeez, I guess I really wasn't there at MV.....but I sure thought I was.
> I merely say.......thank you .
>
> George Randolph
> Firestar driver from The Villages
>
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Creech, Lee (GOLD)" <Lee.Creech@ky.gov>
-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Pike [mailto:richard@bcchapel.org]
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Cockpit Noise?
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org>
Make sure the mike is touching your lips, and cup your hand around it if
necessary. A prop shaft extension to get the prop further back and away
will help. If you can enclose the rear part of your cockpit against the
prop noise and then line it with soundproofing that will help a lot. So
does an intake silencer and after muffler. I am using a two blade Ivoprop
which is quieter than some others I have tried, I understand a Kiev Hot
Prop is quieter yet, will have a chance to borrow one shortly and try it,
will post results to the list.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
At 11:10 PM 6/11/2005 -0700, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Grageda" <grageda@innw.net>
>
>Hi All,
>
>I have a Firestar II that I fly and am having trouble being understood
>on
>my com radio due to noise in the cockpit. I have a full windscreen due to
>the colder weather we experience here in the Northwest. I'm running a
>rotax 447 with a Tennessee 66 x34 prop and a stock muffler. I borrowed a
>radio shack db meter and measured 117db at cruise. I use a helmet with a
>headset and a mike muff.
>
>I was wondering if anyone else encountered this problem and what means
>they might have used to reduce noise in the cockpit .
>
>Thanks for your time
>Carlos Grageda
>grageda@innw.net
>
>
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| Subject: | Naked SlingShot ? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Rusty" <13brv3c@bellsouth.net>
Hi Kip,
Thanks very much for the pictures, and inspiration! I had no idea it was
that rare to have one uncovered, but then again, I certainly never thought
of it.
Aside from the speed loss, have you had a chance to fly a normally covered
FS to see the difference?
In some of the pics, you have a tiny little windscreen, but in others you
have a larger one. Is this Summer/winter, or bad idea/good idea :-) What
thickness Lexan did you use on the larger one? The SS is a bit different in
the wing root area, and I'll plan to use a windscreen that goes from the
nose pod (which will get extended closer to me so I can reach it).
Cheers,
Rusty
Mazda 13B rotary powered RV-3 (flying)
Kolb Slingshot (Mazda single rotor project)
Sonerai-IIL (sold, and ready to depart)
That would be my Firestar, I believe. As far as I know it is the only
Firestar (or Firefly, Slingshot, or Mk series) left uncovered. I had the
blessings of the Pennsylvania factory and don't regret the decision at all.
I do seem to be a bit slower than others though... Kip
http://www.springeraviation.net/
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
How did you like the jet ride ?? Lar. Do not Archive
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Building Kolb Mk III
N78LB Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "PATRICK LADD" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: floats
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "PATRICK LADD" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
>
> are you referring to the fella that went down with a passenger a coupla
> years
> ago in key west waters?>>
>
> Hi George,
> different guy. This one is still operating from Key West. He just happened
> to have electrical problems with his Quick on the only day I could make
> it.
> I flew a jet, an L-39, from Tropical Fighters at Marathon while I was
> there
> and they told me about the Quick on floats which had crashed a while ago.
> No
> details about how or why.
>
> Cheers
>
> Pat
>
> do not archive
>
>
> --
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Naked SlingShot ? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: possums <possums@mindspring.com>
At 09:53 AM 6/13/2005, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Rusty" <13brv3c@bellsouth.net>
>
>Hi Kip,
>
>Thanks very much for the pictures, and inspiration! I had no idea it was
>that rare to have one uncovered, but then again, I certainly never thought
>of it.
>
>Aside from the speed loss, have you had a chance to fly a normally covered
>FS to see the difference?
>
>In some of the pics, you have a tiny little windscreen, but in others you
>have a larger one. Is this Summer/winter, or bad idea/good idea :-)
You don't need a windscreen either - at least in the summer.
http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/possums@mindspring.com.07.26.2002/thum.jpg
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| Subject: | Re: First flight tendances |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: DAquaNut@aol.com
List:
I am trying to figure out beforehand , the probabilities of which way my
Firefly will need correction or how I will need to trim. Do all Kolbs tend to
roll one way or another on take off? Do most kolbs tend to need trim on the
rudder a certain way more than others, or is it 50/50 or so. I guess I am
trying to keep surprises to a minimum. Thanks to all who replied on my
gearbox question. Turns out my tiny tach was reading very low due to low battery
or
wrong tach. I have a new one coming from AC Spruce.
Ed ( in Hou)
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| Subject: | Re: Father's Day Fly-in |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: ghaley@wt.net
Terry,
I will not be able to make it this year.
Have a safe flight and a grand old time at homer's.
Gary Haley
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Terry Frantz
> <tkrolfe@usadatanet.net>
>
> We are one week away from the second Father's Day Fly-in
> to Homer's farm. Actually we are doing it on that
> Saturday, June 18th., weather permitting. Sunday is a
> possible rain date
>
> Also, starting Friday the 17th., Shrevesport North in York
> County, PA is having it's UL Fly-in for the weekend.
> Several Kolber's used that as a stop over for their trip
> to Homer's last year. They then joined me at Smoketown
> Airport east of Lancaster to form up a flight to Homer's
> farm. I will again meet up with any and all that want to
> form a flight to Homer's. Will be there by 7:30 am and
> hope to depart by 8:15.
>
> I will need to contact Clara with a count of those coming
> by Tuesday at the latest so she can make arrangements for
> the picnic lunch. Please let me know if you are on the
> list below and can't make it or if not on the list and
> would like to join us. Otherwise, I will assume your good
> to go!
>
> Those that are attending:
>
> Steve Green
> Chuck Davis
> Charles Blackwell
> Gene Zimmerman
> Earl Zimmerman
> Tim
> Bob Pongracz
> Bill Varnes
> Tom Ohara
> Ken James
> George Alexander
> Gary Haley
> Wilmer Zimmerman
> Jeff Tshutte
> Joel Reed
> Rick Klebon
> Rick Hundley
> Dan Walter
> Bob Bennethum Jr.
> Sam & Susan
> Richard Bezzard
> & myself
>
> Looking forward to another great day at Homer's and
> meeting some of you for the first time,
>
> Terry - FireFly #95
>
>
> ====
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Naked SlingShot ? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard & Martha Neilsen" <NeilsenRM05@comcast.net>
The SlingShot is designed to be a high speed Kolb. Granted still not HIGH
speed but faster than the rest of the Kolbs. My primary concern is the short
wings with the high wing loading. Is it a good idea to try to fly it naked
(higher drag)? Could you get your self in a situation were you might not be
able to fly faster than stall speed or on the raged edge just above stall.
Any other Kolb this might be fun but I'm concerned about doing this to the
SlingShot.
Food for thought
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW powered MKIIIc
----- Original Message -----
From: "possums" <possums@mindspring.com>
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Naked SlingShot ?
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: possums <possums@mindspring.com>
>
> At 09:53 AM 6/13/2005, you wrote:
>>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Rusty" <13brv3c@bellsouth.net>
>>
>>Hi Kip,
>>
>>Thanks very much for the pictures, and inspiration! I had no idea it was
>>that rare to have one uncovered, but then again, I certainly never thought
>>of it.
>>
>>Aside from the speed loss, have you had a chance to fly a normally covered
>>FS to see the difference?
>>
>>In some of the pics, you have a tiny little windscreen, but in others you
>>have a larger one. Is this Summer/winter, or bad idea/good idea :-)
>
>
> You don't need a windscreen either - at least in the summer.
>
> http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/possums@mindspring.com.07.26.2002/thum.jpg
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Naked SlingShot ? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: dama@mindspring.com
Rusty, the short windshield was TOO short. It was my first and changed it after
getting beat up in the wind for 80 or so hours. For my new windshield, I wanted
to be "open" but still be out of the wind. I also did not want doors. So...I
came up with (actually borrowed an idea from Tom here at the Monroe airport)
a half and half where I can just slide in from the side. I used 1/8 inch Lexan
for enough rigidity as to not need the center tube. It took 3 people to wrap
it around during the install but it has been great. I've only flown one other
Firestar, and early KXP model and I can't tell the difference. My slowness may
merely be my prop pitch....
Kip
-----Original Message-----
From: Rusty <13brv3c@bellsouth.net>
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Naked SlingShot ?
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Rusty" <13brv3c@bellsouth.net>
Hi Kip,
Thanks very much for the pictures, and inspiration! I had no idea it was
that rare to have one uncovered, but then again, I certainly never thought
of it.
Aside from the speed loss, have you had a chance to fly a normally covered
FS to see the difference?
In some of the pics, you have a tiny little windscreen, but in others you
have a larger one. Is this Summer/winter, or bad idea/good idea :-) What
thickness Lexan did you use on the larger one? The SS is a bit different in
the wing root area, and I'll plan to use a windscreen that goes from the
nose pod (which will get extended closer to me so I can reach it).
Cheers,
Rusty
Mazda 13B rotary powered RV-3 (flying)
Kolb Slingshot (Mazda single rotor project)
Sonerai-IIL (sold, and ready to depart)
That would be my Firestar, I believe. As far as I know it is the only
Firestar (or Firefly, Slingshot, or Mk series) left uncovered. I had the
blessings of the Pennsylvania factory and don't regret the decision at all.
I do seem to be a bit slower than others though... Kip
http://www.springeraviation.net/
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| Subject: | Re: First flight tendances |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
Ed, (my impressions only) It isn't really very noticeable in a Kolb if
you need a small amount of rudder trim because of lack of visual
reference. First time up I tried the piece of yarn on the windshield
base. -it was worthless for me possibly because of my windshield
design, or I wasn't off by much.
The worst sensation, for me anyway, is having to hold a bunch of
forward stick the first time around the patch. I hate when that
happens.
A little aileron pressure one way or the other is no big deal.
-BB refusing to emerge from the comfort of home.
do not archive
On 13, Jun 2005, at 11:58 AM, DAquaNut@aol.com wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: DAquaNut@aol.com
>
>
> List:
>
> I am trying to figure out beforehand , the probabilities of which
> way my
> Firefly will need correction or how I will need to trim. Do all
> Kolbs tend to
> roll one way or another on take off? Do most kolbs tend to need trim
> on the
> rudder a certain way more than others, or is it 50/50 or so. I guess
> I am
> trying to keep surprises to a minimum. Thanks to all who replied on
> my
> gearbox question. Turns out my tiny tach was reading very low due to
> low battery or
> wrong tach. I have a new one coming from AC Spruce.
>
>
> Ed ( in Hou)
>
>
> Do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Alaska flying |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: roger lee <ssadiver1@yahoo.com>
This has been out for a long time. confirmed hoax.
sorry
ray anderson <rsanoa@yahoo.com> wrote:--> Kolb-List message posted by: ray anderson
While this doesn't deal with a Kolb directly, John Hauk, and I believe one or two
others regularly fly over the wilds of Alaska, and yes, it's possible one might
have an emergency landing that would keep one in the wilds at least for a
short time. This might interest those who fly their Kolbs there. I saw the pictures
of the brute and he was BIG. Story from an Alaska paper.
The downloaded pictures are of a man who works for the US Forest Service in Alaska
and his trophy bear. He was out deer hunting last week when a large grizzly
bear charged him from about 50 yards away. The guy emptied his 7mm Magnum semi-automatic
rifle into the bear and it dropped a few feet from him. The big bear
was still alive so he reloaded and shot it several times in the head. The
bear was just over one thousand six hundred pounds. It stood 12' 6" high at the
shoulder, 14' to the top of his head. It's the largest grizzly bear ever recorded
in the world. Of course, the Alaska Fish and Wildlife Commission did not
let him keep it as a trophy, but the bear will be stuffed and mounted, and placed
on display at the Anchorage airport to remind tourists of the risks involved
when in the wild. Based on the contents of the bears stomach, the Fish and
Wildlife Commission established the bear had killed at least two humans in the
past 72 hours including a missing hiker. The US F
orest
Service, backtracking from where the bear had originated, found the hiker's 38-caliber
pistol emptied. Not far from the pistol was the remains of the hiker.
The other body has not been found. Although the hiker fired six shots and managed
to hit the grizzly with four shots (the Service ultimately found four 38 caliber
slugs along with twelve 7mm slugs inside the bear's dead body), it only
wounded the bear and probably angered it immensely. The bear killed the hiker
an estimated two days prior to the bear's own death by the gun of the Forest
Service worker.
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| Subject: | Re: First flight tendances |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
Ed,
My Fly needs up elevator trim and left aileron trim, and a tad bit of
rudder..so I have trim tabs on all 3 axis. however...if there were
none....it would still fly ok...In fact on the maiden flight, I had no tabs,
and I didnt notice any need for trim...this is kinda funny because after the
excitement wore off and a few flights were in the log...I began to notice on
longer flights the need for trim, like after a half hour I realized I was
holding rudder when my foot began to ache,,,and my arm began to tire from
holding pressure against the stick. IT SEEMED alot more pronounced , but I
am sure it was always there. ..so I wouldnt worry about it much on the
first flight...fly it first...then see where ya need a tab...
Up elevator is the most needed for mine probably because she is a tad heavy
( up to 290 now)and cg is quite a bit aft...
FLew 150 miles (gps) last weekend on sat and 110 on sunday....total time
both days was 4 hrs for a 65 mph average....burned 12 gallons of fuel for
21.6 mpg. Saw 115 mph on the gps once with a 75 indicated when I got my
tail to the wind, good thing I was headed home!!....working up for a long
flight in a straight line instead of all these circles....with 10 gallon
onboard...figger I can make 200 miles with a gallon to spare...which would
be 20 minutes reserve.
Dont see why these little FireFlys couldn't travel cross country with alot
of em...as long as ya dont need much gear!
Don Gherardini
FireFly 098
http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Guy Morgan" <morganguy@hotmail.com>
Please disregard.
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| Subject: | Re: Annual Kolb Flyin at Monument valley |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard & Martha Neilsen" <NeilsenRM05@comcast.net>
Mary
I have the article ready. See the attachment.
I also have a number of photos that need to be sent that go with the article. They
are very large, some as large as 6MB. I will need to send the larger ones,
one to a message. Also two of the photos will not be available till next weekend
(they are now highly compressed and the guy that has the full size photos
is out of town). How do you want me to send all of them?
This article was written by me Richard Neilsen and a bunch of people in the Kolb
group. Also the photos are from a large portion of the attendees of the Third
Annual Kolb Fly-in at Monument Valley. You will need to give credit to the person
that took each photo. Each photo has in the file name the person that took
the photo and the subject.
Also I have a FULL VW reduction drive powered Kolb MKIIIc. I flew it into Oshkosh
the first time with John Williamson for his 48th state landing almost three
years ago. Also flew in with John Hauck who had only flown his MKIIIc to Alaska
twice back then now has three trips to Alaska.
Richard Neilsen
----- Original Message -----
From: Mary Jones
To: NeilsenRM05@comcast.net
Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2005 3:15 PM
Subject: FW: Annual Kolb Flyin at Monument valley
Hi Richard,
You bet!!!
I'm definitely interested in such an article. (In fact, you may be interested
to know that we're going to be doing a 2-3 page story on Steve Boetto's Firefly
on floats in the July issue. I just finished discussing the final details
of that with him a few minutes ago.)
So...how many photos/words??? Realistically, I'd probably use this article in
the September (or later) issue ... about 3 pages maximum ... so I'd say send
me a selection of about 12-15 photos and no more than 1,500 words ... less words
is acceptable, too.
And, I apologize greatly for not responding to your message sent on April 28.
It's been a wild month-plus for me ... but I still have your e-mail and still
had every intention to respond to you. Just FYI ... from Sun 'n Fun I went
to Germany to the Aero 2005 show for a week and then came home and got bronchitis
... so I'm definitely behind on responding to e-mails ... 'cause I have to
give priority to getting a magazine... albeit one that doesn't contain everything
readers would like ... out the door. Anyway, so much for my sad but true
life story.
I fully understand how you and others may feel that we've abandoned low-priced
airplanes. The problem I've been trying to balance is to provide as much information
as possible about the new rule ... we felt EAA had responsibility to
do as much educating as possible about it ... with a variety of coverage of a
variety of machines ... fixed-wings, trikes, ppcs ... and planes of various cost
ranges. And, at the same time, we like to be as on top of the news as other
aviation magazines, otherwise they "eat our shorts" (if you will) in that regard.
And, frankly, some of those expensive planes are what's been making the
news.
So, now, what does that mean for the future. Well, starting with the June issue,
you'll start seeing more features about more affordable airplanes.(M-Squared
in June; Hawk Ultra ultralight in July)...some of the space we could have given
to that earlier went to educating about the rule. You'll start to see more
articles about people who built and fly their own machines ... a Sonex in July
... a RANS S-7 later this fall, for example, and I'm actively seeking an article
about a Piet builder/owner (or something along that plans-built line) for
a future issue, too. (Sometimes finding the good stories with good photos ain't
as easy as it might seem.)
No, I would never say there's nothing to write about with regard to aircraft
like your 1/2-VW-powered Kolb. In fact, I'd love a story about such an airplane.
I've written Scott Casler about doing a 1/2 VW feature ...but I think the
e-mail got lost in never-never land during his move from Ohio to Arizona, so I
need to contact him again.
As for John Williamson ... well, I've been feeling guilty about not getting that
story written for a couple of years. Believe me, he's still on my list and
unless he rejects the idea of us doing a story about him, one will be done.
I just have to figure out when I have time to write it. That's the honest to
gosh truth, but my "plan/hope" is to get written and in the magazine before this
calendar year is out. (Now, of course, I'm going to have to start to balance
how much coverage I give to Kolb aircraft as compared to other models 'cause,
believe me, some other group of builders of another line of aircraft will
wave the flag if I write about Kolb "too many times."
Anyway, I hope that helps explains "where we've been coming from" a bit. There
is not and won't be a conspiracy to only write about expensive airplanes from
here on out (for the reasons I mentioned above) ... at least not as long as
I have a reasonable amount of influence on the magazine's content. Will there
still be stories about those "expensive" LSAs? Yes, there will ... but I'm telling
you that it'll be balanced by stories about affordable airplanes. You
can hold my feet to the fire on that promise.
Richard, thanks for taking the time(s) to write and vent your frustration. I
honestly do appreciate it ... here's hoping you'll be a happier reader shortly
in months to come.
Sincerely
Mary Jones
Editor - EAA Sport Pilot & Light-Sport Aircraft magazine
www.sportpilot.org
920/426-6516
Make your plans now to attend EAA AirVenture Oshkosh 2005, Monday through Sunday,
July 25-31,2005
-----Original Message-----
From: Joe Norris
Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2005 11:30 AM
To: Mary Jones
Subject: FW: Annual Kolb Flyin at Monument valley
Hey MJ,
Over to you!
Joe
-----Original Message-----
From: Richard & Martha Neilsen [mailto:NeilsenRM05@comcast.net]
Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2005 10:57 AM
To: info services
Subject: Annual Kolb Flyin at Monument valley
I just returned from the annual Monument Valley Flyin and would like to see coverage
of this event in the Sport Pilot Magazine. I would be happy to do a write
up of the event and supply some pictures. You appear to have banned any articles
on Kolbs and any other under $100,000 airplane so I'm asking before I go
to the bother of writing anything. If by chance you allow this and by greater
chance respond to my E-mail please let me know how many words and how many photos.
Richard Neilsen
EAA # 0156743
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| Subject: | Naked SlingShot ? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Rusty" <13brv3c@bellsouth.net>
My primary concern is the short
wings with the high wing loading. Is it a good idea to try to fly it naked
(higher drag)? Could you get your self in a situation were you might not be
able to fly faster than stall speed or on the raged edge just above stall.
Any other Kolb this might be fun but I'm concerned about doing this to the
SlingShot.
---------------------
Hi Rick,
Thanks for the thoughts. My primary concern was turbulence over the
fuselage cage causing problems with the airflow over the tail, but it's so
similar to the FS, that I don't see that being a problem.
I'll plan to keep the weight below what was originally allowed (I hope),
though mine will be single place, rather than two place. I would think the
windscreen, or lack thereof would cause the biggest problems, rather than
the lack of fabric on the side of the cage. Best I can recall, I haven't
heard anyone say they had any problems flying with any version of
windscreen, or lack of windscreen. Heck, Possum's big feet would probably
have a negative effect on airflow (and air quality <g>).
I'm also not too worried about not having the power to generate any speed
that might be needed to fly. I'll have over 100 hp. As I understand it,
drag really isn't that significant at the 60-80 mph speeds we're talking
about. It's everything at 200+ mph though.
Thanks,
Rusty (forging ahead)
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| Subject: | Naked SlingShot ? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Rusty" <13brv3c@bellsouth.net>
Hi Kip,
Thanks for the additional info. I'm sure the windscreen will take a few
iterations to perfect.
Cheers,
Rusty
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "PATRICK LADD" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
How did you like the jet ride >>
Hi Lar,
enjoyed it OK. Pilot just tried me out to see if I was afraid to
put the wing down.Apparently he approved because then he pulled a `fighter
turn`. 90 degree bank with 3 gee held all the way round and then pulled up
into a hammerhead or chandelle as we call it.
I did a couple of barrel rolls. When I slammed the stick over my head hit
the canopy. Better the second time.
By then my stomach was protesting so we just swanned around admiring the
view until we joined the landing circuit.
It is a few years ago that I had an hours almost continous airobatics in a
Mustang without throwing up. Now I am a bit (a lot) older about 20 minutes
did it for me.
It was my second jet as I managed a ride in a Jet Provost Trainer at an air
show a few years ago.
I think this one will probably be my last, unless someone has a Mig. out
there about about 100 bucks an hour of course.
Cheers
Pat
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| Subject: | Re: SlingShot; Fuel Tank: CG ing Without Wings |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Charlie England <ceengland@bellsouth.net>
Rusty wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Rusty" <13brv3c@bellsouth.net>
>
>Hi Richard,
>
>You might not make it back before Big Lar when you consider how slowly I
>weld :-) And, if I charged you $1/hour for the tank, you probably couldn't
>afford it by the time it was done :-) Sorry, but it's not likely I'll be
>making two (good ones).
>
>I figure that I can make a tank that's 12" front to rear, 21" wide, and
>equal to the height of the seat tops (23" rear side, 16" front side). This
>computes to a volume of about 21 gallons. It could be made taller, but this
>seems like enough fuel, and it would only get in the way of stashing stuff
>in the stock tank location if it were taller.
>
>Thanks for the wing weight numbers. That will give me a good way to
>estimate the CG as well. I'm expecting the total engine system weight to be
>220 lbs initially, but that will be reduced to about 190 if the aluminum
>housings ever become available. Add about 15 lbs for a turbo if you want
>insane, unsafe amounts of power :-) I won't do that to the poor SS though.
>I expect the single rotor to make 100 HP easy, and probably more like 120 HP
>once optimized. What do you expect from the turbo Geo?
>
>I had done some initial calculations, based on having 20 gallons of fuel in
>the stock location, and a chute mounted under the pilots seat. The plan was
>to use the chute as sort of a moveable ballast as needed. I'll have to get
>out the spreadsheet to figure what moving the fuel will do. I've also got
>to factor in a radiator, and oil cooler somewhere.
>
>Cheers,
>Rusty (I hate plain text)
>
Rusty, Rusty, Rusty....
How can an RV-x-building repeat-offender talk about building fuel tanks
& just consider welding? There's an excellent feed up this way on
Saturday. Fly up in the -3.
Richard, you can build a tank using pop-style rivets & 'proseal'
sealant & never get near a welder. If you give dimensions to a good
sheet metal shop, they can bend up all the pieces for you & all it will
take is the sacrifice of a couple of sets of clothing (kinda messy work)
& the skill to run a rivet puller. If you want more info, let us know.
Charlie
(I love plain text) ;-)
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| Subject: | Wanted: Dead or Alive--75mm Prop Flange |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard Swiderwski" <rswiderski@earthlink.net>
Don,
Thank you so much for your offer. I just found out that I can
return my redrive & get another with a hub that accepts both the 75 and
100mm pattern. So I packed it up & sent it back today. Thanks again.
Richard Swiderski
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don Gherardini
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Wanted: Dead or Alive--75mm Prop Flange
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
Hey RSki...
I have several prop adapters, spacers,a belt redrive hub (2SI) and other
misc related parts not in use. Also have an rotary indexing table and I
would loan ya any of it. Might cost more than its worth to ship the rotary
table tho....any way....I dont know if I understand exactly what you need or
just what you want to accomplish that a spacer plate wont work as a pattern.
tell me more and I will see if I can help.
I will be at OShKosh also...if you can wait that long, and I would bring
what ever we decide you need , you could ship it back someday...or maybe we
might cross paths sometime before I need the parts back.
Cell num is 217-254-4110
Don Gherardini
FireFly 098
http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm
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| Subject: | Re: floats aka Acro $ |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bob N." <ronoy@shentel.net>
Pat,
Around these parts, as the locals say, a guy with a T-6 gets almost $200
fer a less-than-half hour ride, and no real acro....dang wings keep
landing afore the rest of them parts do.
Bob N.
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| Subject: | Re: floats aka Acro $ |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Michael Sharp <kolbdriver@mlsharp.com>
I just recieved a quote from Stallion 51 to take a 1hr orientation flight. The
price is $2,850.00. Includes lots of goodies, three cameras on the Mustang you
get a copy, etc etc.. and you get stick time in a Shor-Nuff Mustang!
Too rich for my blood...
Mike
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"Bob N." <ronoy@shentel.net> wrote:
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bob N."
Pat,
Around these parts, as the locals say, a guy with a T-6 gets almost $200
fer a less-than-half hour ride, and no real acro....dang wings keep
landing afore the rest of them parts do.
Bob N.
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| Subject: | Re: Naked SlingShot ? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "woody" <duesouth@govital.net>
Sounds what you are looking for is like my original Kolb Flyer or my
original Twinstar. It is a blast being out in the open and it is the best
cameraplane you will ever find. I did find the wind beating on you after an
hour took its toll and a bigger windshield changed the aerodynamics causing
more drag and decreased performance.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rusty" <13brv3c@bellsouth.net>
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Naked SlingShot ?
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Rusty" <13brv3c@bellsouth.net>
>
> Hi Kip,
>
> Thanks very much for the pictures, and inspiration! I had no idea it was
> that rare to have one uncovered, but then again, I certainly never thought
> of it.
>
> Aside from the speed loss, have you had a chance to fly a normally covered
> FS to see the difference?
>
> In some of the pics, you have a tiny little windscreen, but in others you
> have a larger one. Is this Summer/winter, or bad idea/good idea :-) What
> thickness Lexan did you use on the larger one? The SS is a bit different
in
> the wing root area, and I'll plan to use a windscreen that goes from the
> nose pod (which will get extended closer to me so I can reach it).
>
> Cheers,
> Rusty
> Mazda 13B rotary powered RV-3 (flying)
> Kolb Slingshot (Mazda single rotor project)
> Sonerai-IIL (sold, and ready to depart)
>
>
> That would be my Firestar, I believe. As far as I know it is the only
> Firestar (or Firefly, Slingshot, or Mk series) left uncovered. I had the
> blessings of the Pennsylvania factory and don't regret the decision at
all.
> I do seem to be a bit slower than others though... Kip
>
> http://www.springeraviation.net/
>
>
> --
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: SlingShot; Fuel Tank: CG ing Without Wings |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "George E. Myers Jr." <gmyers@corridor.net>
Hi Charlie
I sure would love more info. I was considering bending one up but wasn't
sure if I could get it sealed.
Thanks
George
At 06-13-2005, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: Charlie England <ceengland@bellsouth.net>
>
>Rusty wrote:
>
> >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Rusty" <13brv3c@bellsouth.net>
> >
> >Hi Richard,
> >
> >You might not make it back before Big Lar when you consider how slowly I
> >weld :-) And, if I charged you $1/hour for the tank, you probably couldn't
> >afford it by the time it was done :-) Sorry, but it's not likely I'll be
> >making two (good ones).
> >
> >I figure that I can make a tank that's 12" front to rear, 21" wide, and
> >equal to the height of the seat tops (23" rear side, 16" front side). This
> >computes to a volume of about 21 gallons. It could be made taller, but this
> >seems like enough fuel, and it would only get in the way of stashing stuff
> >in the stock tank location if it were taller.
> >
> >Thanks for the wing weight numbers. That will give me a good way to
> >estimate the CG as well. I'm expecting the total engine system weight to be
> >220 lbs initially, but that will be reduced to about 190 if the aluminum
> >housings ever become available. Add about 15 lbs for a turbo if you want
> >insane, unsafe amounts of power :-) I won't do that to the poor SS though.
> >I expect the single rotor to make 100 HP easy, and probably more like 120 HP
> >once optimized. What do you expect from the turbo Geo?
> >
> >I had done some initial calculations, based on having 20 gallons of fuel in
> >the stock location, and a chute mounted under the pilots seat. The plan was
> >to use the chute as sort of a moveable ballast as needed. I'll have to get
> >out the spreadsheet to figure what moving the fuel will do. I've also got
> >to factor in a radiator, and oil cooler somewhere.
> >
> >Cheers,
> >Rusty (I hate plain text)
> >
>
>Rusty, Rusty, Rusty....
>
>How can an RV-x-building repeat-offender talk about building fuel tanks
>& just consider welding? There's an excellent feed up this way on
>Saturday. Fly up in the -3.
>
>Richard, you can build a tank using pop-style rivets & 'proseal'
>sealant & never get near a welder. If you give dimensions to a good
>sheet metal shop, they can bend up all the pieces for you & all it will
>take is the sacrifice of a couple of sets of clothing (kinda messy work)
>& the skill to run a rivet puller. If you want more info, let us know.
>
>Charlie
>(I love plain text) ;-)
>
>
>--
George E. Myers Jr.
San Marcos Tx.
http://www.geohome.sytes.net
gmyers@corridor.net
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| Subject: | Re: floats aka Acro $ |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Beauford" <beauford@tampabay.rr.com>
Michael...
If it is a truly UNIQUE, yet value-conscious, experience you crave, Good
Sir.... I will straightaway arrange for your 61 minute launch at the
controls of the high-performance kleenex Kolb firefly for a mere $2,798.95
... and I will provide assured photographic coverage (YOU get the negatives)
of the takeoff and landing, or the takeoff and black smear on the turf (your
option).... clearly a much more value-oriented adventure in all regards than
the initial offering of the unimaginitative Stallion-whatever hooligans....
We are at you disposal, Sir.... please contact us without delay...
"Think Kolb..."
Beauford of Brandon, FL
Expendable FF#076
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From: "Michael Sharp" <kolbdriver@mlsharp.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: floats aka Acro $
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Michael Sharp <kolbdriver@mlsharp.com>
>
> I just recieved a quote from Stallion 51 to take a 1hr orientation flight.
> The price is $2,850.00. Includes lots of goodies, three cameras on the
> Mustang you get a copy, etc etc.. and you get stick time in a Shor-Nuff
> Mustang!
>
> Too rich for my blood...
>
> Mike
> Do Not Archive
>
>
> "Bob N." <ronoy@shentel.net> wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bob N."
>
> Pat,
>
> Around these parts, as the locals say, a guy with a T-6 gets almost $200
> fer a less-than-half hour ride, and no real acro....dang wings keep
> landing afore the rest of them parts do.
>
> Bob N.
>
> do not archive
>
>
>
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| Subject: | floats aka Acro $ |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kolbdriver" <kolbdriver@mlsharp.com>
Brother B,
Will the Adventure includes a glass of Gin a Fat Stogie and a shot of
seafoam?? If so, I'm on my way!!!
Mike
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We will probably get our hands spanked for the non kolb postings....
Think Kolb
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Beauford
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: floats aka Acro $
-- Kolb-List message posted by: "Beauford" <beauford@tampabay.rr.com
Michael...
If it is a truly UNIQUE, yet value-conscious, experience you crave, Good
Sir.... I will straightaway arrange for your 61 minute launch at the
controls of the high-performance kleenex Kolb firefly for a mere $2,798.95
... and I will provide assured photographic coverage (YOU get the negatives)
of the takeoff and landing, or the takeoff and black smear on the turf (your
option).... clearly a much more value-oriented adventure in all regards than
the initial offering of the unimaginitative Stallion-whatever hooligans....
We are at you disposal, Sir.... please contact us without delay...
"Think Kolb..."
Beauford of Brandon, FL
Expendable FF#076
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Sharp" <kolbdriver@mlsharp.com
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: floats aka Acro $
-- Kolb-List message posted by: Michael Sharp <kolbdriver@mlsharp.com
I just recieved a quote from Stallion 51 to take a 1hr orientation flight.
The price is $2,850.00. Includes lots of goodies, three cameras on the
Mustang you get a copy, etc etc.. and you get stick time in a Shor-Nuff
Mustang!
Too rich for my blood...
Mike
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"Bob N." <ronoy@shentel.net wrote:
-- Kolb-List message posted by: "Bob N."
Pat,
Around these parts, as the locals say, a guy with a T-6 gets almost $200
fer a less-than-half hour ride, and no real acro....dang wings keep
landing afore the rest of them parts do.
Bob N.
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| Subject: | Re: SlingShot; Fuel Tank: CG ing Without Wings |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Charlie England <ceengland@bellsouth.net>
George E. Myers Jr. wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "George E. Myers Jr." <gmyers@corridor.net>
>
>Hi Charlie
>I sure would love more info. I was considering bending one up but wasn't
>sure if I could get it sealed.
>Thanks
>George
>
Richard, George,
If you need info on building the 'box', let me know, but Google 'fuel
tank construction' first & see if you can learn enough to get you
started. (Don't forget that a 20gal container with flat sides will need
internal reinforcing ribs and you will need a suitable 'cradle' for it
to sit in that can withstand 120 lbs times the number of G's you might
pull, or bounce on landing. :-)) 32 thousandths thick 2024 or 6061 is
probably the thinnest aluminum you should use.
Here are some links to tank sealant:
http://www.vansaircraft.com/cgi-bin/catalog.cgi?ident=1118714867-124-495&action=search
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/menus/ap/fuel_tanksealants.html
I'd buy from Van's. they are happy to sell to anyone & usually have
competitive prices. While you are on the phone you can also ask them for
the name of an RV builder near you (there will be one near you) so you
can see a tank being built.
Most metal homebuilt kits these days use this type sealant for 'wet
wing' fuel tanks. Caution: If you run auto fuel, go direct to the
manufacturer of the sealant to be sure it's compatible with auto fuel.
There are many different types available (plenty for repairing car &
motorcycle tanks using car gas) & I wouldn't trust a vendor to know the
right answer.
Cleanliness is next to survival!! Wear gloves to keep skin oils off the
metal. Clean Everything, rough up the joining surfaces with scotchbrite
pads, Clean Everything, & build. Did I mention 'Clean Everything'? Use
the most powerful chemical cleaner/degreaser you are willing to risk
your health over.
'Type B' is the right consistency. This stuff is about the consistency
of caulk after mixing. You can butter it into corners & over pop rivet
heads on the inside of the open box with popsicle sticks, or mix in
quart ziplock bags, cut a tiny corner off the bag & use it like a cake
decorator's icing tool to apply the stuff with a lot less mess. If you
bend the flanges out all around, you can use regular pop rivets. If you
want a much cleaner look, bend the flanges in & use closed end pop rivets.
http://www.hansonrivet.com/w22.htm
Aluminum with steel mandrel is fine.
If this is enough to get you started, do some reading. If I've totally
confused you, let me know & I'll try again. Apologies if this is
disjointed; not much time to type today.
Charlie
(If it were me, I'd do some measuring & then mosey on down to the local
soft drink bottler & ask to see the plastic syrup drums they are about
to throw away.)
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| Subject: | Re: floats aka Acro $ |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
Jeez Mike....that price is truely amazing...\
When I was in college back at Spartan in Tulsa, there was an operator across
the ramp at Riverside Airport with a 2 seater P-51 and a likewise equipped
P-38...I remember that dual time in the Mustang was 90 bucks an hour, and
The Lockheed was 180.00. plus instructor fee...which was 10 bucks if I
remember right. I Got an hour in the Lockheed (my dad generously sent me the
money) since I was working on my twin rateing and I could log it towards
that rateing. The owner of the outfit, Eagle aviation, would not give me an
hour in the front seat of the P-51 since it had only a stick in the back
seat and no rudder pedals. I can remember his words well. "You are not ready
son, come back when you get a more time. "
The Mustang was for sale and I was worried that he might sell it before I
got proficient enough to suit him, but when I heard the asking price was
32,000.00....I remember telling my roommate I wasnt worried, nobody would
ever give that much for that old bird. That was in the early 70's...and the
Mustang sold before I graduated. Never would of dreamed that dual time would
ever get to be 2900 bucks an hour.....whew!!!!
Don Gherardini
FireFly 098
http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: SlingShot; Fuel Tank: CG ing Without Wings |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Denny Rowe" <rowedl@highstream.net>
Me Too!
Denny Rowe
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
> Hi Charlie
> I sure would love more info. I was considering bending one up but wasn't
> sure if I could get it sealed.
> Thanks
> George
>> >
>>
Richard, you can build a tank using pop-style rivets & 'proseal'
>>sealant & never get near a welder. If you give dimensions to a good
>>sheet metal shop, they can bend up all the pieces for you & all it will
>>take is the sacrifice of a couple of sets of clothing (kinda messy work)
>>& the skill to run a rivet puller. If you want more info, let us know.
>>
>>Charlie
>>(I love plain text) ;-)
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