Kolb-List Digest Archive

Tue 06/21/05


Total Messages Posted: 37



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     1. 12:16 AM - Re: Subaru Engine (Ron)
     2. 04:17 AM - Re: Leading Edge Tape (ron wehba)
     3. 04:20 AM - Re: Kiev prop (N27SB@aol.com)
     4. 07:13 AM - 99.999% (robert bean)
     5. 07:18 AM - Mark III Classic kit for sale (N27SB@aol.com)
     6. 07:34 AM - 22,000 mf Capacitor for 912 (Kirby Dennis Contr MDA/AL)
     7. 07:36 AM - Re: Subaru Engine (Richard & Martha Neilsen)
     8. 07:57 AM - Re: 22,000 mf Capacitor for 912 (John Hauck)
     9. 08:33 AM - Spring Cleaning (N27SB@aol.com)
    10. 08:35 AM - Re: 22,000 mf Capacitor for 912 (Jon Croke)
    11. 08:43 AM - Re: Fly-in at Homer's (James, Ken)
    12. 08:53 AM - Re: Spring Cleaning (Guy Morgan)
    13. 09:10 AM - Re: Spring Cleaning (James, Ken)
    14. 09:27 AM - Re: Subaru Engine (William George)
    15. 09:31 AM - Re: Spring Cleaning (Don Gherardini)
    16. 10:02 AM - Re: 99.999% (Richard Pike)
    17. 10:52 AM - Re: 99.999% (Ron)
    18. 11:09 AM - Re: 22,000 mf Capacitor for 912 (John Hauck)
    19. 12:22 PM - Re: Rotax 503 Failure Poll, Changed to 582 and Prop Failure (PATRICK LADD)
    20. 12:23 PM - Re: Fly-in at Homer's (PATRICK LADD)
    21. 12:33 PM - Re: Spring Cleaning (N27SB@aol.com)
    22. 12:36 PM - Re: Spring Cleaning (N27SB@aol.com)
    23. 12:38 PM - Re: glide windmilling or prop stopped, was: Rotax 503 Failure Poll (PATRICK LADD)
    24. 12:43 PM - Re: Spring Cleaning (N27SB@aol.com)
    25. 01:50 PM - Re: Rotax 503 Failure Poll (Steve Kroll)
    26. 01:52 PM - Re: Spring Cleaning (DAquaNut@aol.com)
    27. 02:02 PM - Re: glide windmilling or prop stopped, was: Rotax 503 Failure Poll (russ kinne)
    28. 02:22 PM - Re: 99.999% (robert bean)
    29. 04:30 PM - 582 problem (woody)
    30. 05:56 PM - Re: 582 problem (Kolbdriver)
    31. 06:05 PM - Silencing the 912 (Todd Fredricks)
    32. 07:34 PM - Re: 582 problem (Richard Pike)
    33. 07:39 PM - Re: Subaru Engine (Richard Swiderwski)
    34. 08:11 PM - Re: Spring Cleaning.....My bid (Flycrazy8@aol.com)
    35. 08:23 PM - Re: Ferrying the FireFly from Perryville, MO to Winchester, IN (WhiskeyVictor36@aol.com)
    36. 08:42 PM - Re: Subaru Engine (Larry Bourne)
    37. 10:06 PM - Re: 582 problem (John Hauck)
 
 
 


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    Time: 12:16:21 AM PST US
    From: Ron <CaptainRon1@cox.net>
    Subject: Re: Subaru Engine
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: Ron <CaptainRon1@cox.net> Well Great Plains VW is always an option. The thing is, is that they told me when I called them that its going to cost me $7.5K complete kit. I just can let myself spring for that yet, first I am going to check all available options. I am also looking at the Geo motor but I can't find where its going to give me the min of 80-hp that I think I need. In the meantime I don't know how long I am going to be around home base, as I have another job offer in the Caribbean that I think I am going to take. I should have gone for that Hirth back a few years ago for $2.5K as Woody recommended. On Jun 20, 2005, at 7:07 AM, Richard & Martha Neilsen wrote: > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard & Martha Neilsen" > <NeilsenRM05@comcast.net> > > Ron > > I looked at Subaru engines when I was considering engines for my > MKIIIc. My > view of the engine is that it is one of the best automotive engines > available for aircraft use. I talked to a guy that put a direct drive > Subaru > on his MKIIIc. He said he was happy with the setup but he sold the > airplane > and the first thing the buyer did was put a rotax on it. Sometimes > builders > overlook the negatives of their creations? I really considered the > engine > but it just seemed to be too heavy. My VW is heaver than the 912 > Rotaxes and > that has caused me some issues with weight and balance but I'm happy > with > the setup. I don't remember the installed weight of the Subaru but it > seem > like it is 30-50 lbs more than the VW and that just seemed to be too > much > for any of the big Kolbs. > > My $.02 worth > > Rick Neilsen > Redrive VW powered MKIIIc > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron" <CaptainRon1@cox.net> > To: <kolb-list@matronics.com> > Subject: Kolb-List: Subaru Engine > > >> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Ron <CaptainRon1@cox.net> >> >>> Are there any Kolbers with a Subaru motor on an M3. If there are I'd >>> like any feedback that you may have. I found a great deal on an RDU >>> for the Subaru, the motor itself is inexpensive and I am told that it >>> will fit the Rotax mount on an Mark III Xtra. >> >> Ron >> Sierra Vista Arizona >> >> >> > > Have a great day!


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    Time: 04:17:33 AM PST US
    From: "ron wehba" <rwehba@pegasusbb.com>
    Subject: Re: Leading Edge Tape
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: "ron wehba" <rwehba@pegasusbb.com> you be careful here in texas, looks like we got us a heat wave here, and down in the bend, its gonna be HOT, ya'll have fun hear! ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Leading Edge Tape > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com> > > Bend > planned > the last > > John W/Gang: > > Do not know how John W will survive without milk and donuts for > breakfast, unless he is going on a starvation diet for this trip. Is > there an airstrip in Big Ben National Park? > > Wish I was flying with you. The Big Bend National Park area is the > one part of Texas I have not flown. Will make a good flight along the > Rio Grande up to Presidio, TX. You can always wade across the Rio > Grande and get a taco in Mexico. ;-) > > Have a fun, safe flight. > > Got to get ready for the UP/Oshkosh flight next month. Times a > wasting! > > john h > > DO NOT ARCHIVE > > >


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    Time: 04:20:12 AM PST US
    From: N27SB@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Kiev prop
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: N27SB@aol.com In a message dated 6/20/2005 11:25:14 PM Eastern Standard Time, jhauck@elmore.rr.com writes: > No, never used the tape. Don't like it, for some reason. Back a few > years ago at Ft Wolters, TX, maintenance folks used a clear plastic > tape to protect the tiny tail rotor blades of the Hughes TH-55 > helicopter. Hi John. I have a brand new Warp 66" 2 blade sitting her that I have not used yet. It has 15" of nickel leading edge. Seems to me that due to the small diameter of the area that you would protect with tape would have minimal effect if it departed. How far inboard of the nickel do you see deterioration? Also, the Kiev appears to have a layer of woven cloth over the outside before they autoclave it in a mold. That may give more durability. Anyway, I will keep an eye on it and let you know how it holds up. do not archive Steve


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    Time: 07:13:01 AM PST US
    From: robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
    Subject: 99.999%
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net> Group: the debugging process is still proceeding but I now can go for a half hour ride and return with my fluids (not the personal ones) intact. I had to do some tinkering with my vent system and cooling plumbing. -Got in a nice jaunt this morning before 9:30. A beautiful beginning to the longest day. I may have to put on an aileron trim tab, been gradually tweaking the flaps to see if I can cheat most of the left wing heaviness out that way. -BB, MkIIIc, one liter suzuki, do not archive


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    Time: 07:18:07 AM PST US
    From: N27SB@aol.com
    Subject: Mark III Classic kit for sale
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: N27SB@aol.com To All: About a year ago I bought a MKIIIC kit. Since then I got wrapped up in the FireFly/Float development. I am so pleased with the performance and flexibility of the FireFly on floats That I have decided to sell the MKIIIC kit. The new price on a MKIIIC is $500.00 higher now but I will sell it for the old price. The kit is powdercoated white and has been stored inside my a/c house. There will be no extra charge for the powdercoat. I live in central Fla so if you live in the south you can save the cost of crating and shipping. As an added bonus Bryan Melborn is coming to Fla to deliver a FireFly and is going home with an empty trailer. Bryan as most of you know does the Quick Build for TNK. So, I you wanted a quick build done or if you lived closer to Ky, there would be no charge getting it to Ky. I really hate to part with the kit but I am having too much fun with Ultralight right now. I have already started building a 2nd FF from scratch. Steve Boetto FF #007/Floats


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    Time: 07:34:36 AM PST US
    From: Kirby Dennis Contr MDA/AL <Dennis.Kirby@kirtland.af.mil>
    Subject: 22,000 mf Capacitor for 912
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: Kirby Dennis Contr MDA/AL <Dennis.Kirby@kirtland.af.mil> Question for the Rotax-912 Operators: I am presently hooking up the electrical system for my newly-installed 912. The Rotax Installation Manual shows a 22,000 microFarad capacitor (25v) as an optional piece of equipement, to be connected to the regulator/rectifier +B terminal. One Rotax technician I spoke with insists this capacitor is essential to prevent frying my $150 regulator. My question is: If this is "essential," why does the manual list it as "optional?" I am running a normal electrical system in my plane (battery, starter, etc.) I ordered this capacitor from Lockwood, and the thing is HUGE! It's a cylinder 3 inches long, and 2 inches in diameter. Can I use a Radio Shack equivalent that is smaller? What kind of 22,000 mf capacitor are you 912 drivers using? Many thanks for the help ... Dennis Kirby Mark-3, in Cedar Crest, NM


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    Time: 07:36:07 AM PST US
    From: "Richard & Martha Neilsen" <NeilsenRM05@comcast.net>
    Subject: Re: Subaru Engine
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard & Martha Neilsen" <NeilsenRM05@comcast.net> Ron I'm not recommending that you buy the Great Plains kit, it is expensive. You will need some of their parts but you can buy a high priced dune buggy engine and it will still be less. I have a adapter engine mount and Diehl accessory case that I will lend to any one that just wants to try a VW engine on a Kolb. It will give you a high thrust line but it works and no welding. Rick Neilsen Redrive VW powered MKIIIc ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" <CaptainRon1@cox.net> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Subaru Engine > --> Kolb-List message posted by: Ron <CaptainRon1@cox.net> > > Well Great Plains VW is always an option. The thing is, is that they > told me when I called them that its going to cost me $7.5K complete > kit. I just can let myself spring for that yet, first I am going to > check all available options. I am also looking at the Geo motor but I > can't find where its going to give me the min of 80-hp that I think I > need. In the meantime I don't know how long I am going to be around > home base, as I have another job offer in the Caribbean that I think I > am going to take. I should have gone for that Hirth back a few years > ago for $2.5K as Woody recommended. > > > On Jun 20, 2005, at 7:07 AM, Richard & Martha Neilsen wrote: > >> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard & Martha Neilsen" >> <NeilsenRM05@comcast.net> >> >> Ron >> >> I looked at Subaru engines when I was considering engines for my >> MKIIIc. My >> view of the engine is that it is one of the best automotive engines >> available for aircraft use. I talked to a guy that put a direct drive >> Subaru >> on his MKIIIc. He said he was happy with the setup but he sold the >> airplane >> and the first thing the buyer did was put a rotax on it. Sometimes >> builders >> overlook the negatives of their creations? I really considered the >> engine >> but it just seemed to be too heavy. My VW is heaver than the 912 >> Rotaxes and >> that has caused me some issues with weight and balance but I'm happy >> with >> the setup. I don't remember the installed weight of the Subaru but it >> seem >> like it is 30-50 lbs more than the VW and that just seemed to be too >> much >> for any of the big Kolbs. >> >> My $.02 worth >> >> Rick Neilsen >> Redrive VW powered MKIIIc >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Ron" <CaptainRon1@cox.net> >> To: <kolb-list@matronics.com> >> Subject: Kolb-List: Subaru Engine >> >> >>> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Ron <CaptainRon1@cox.net> >>> >>>> Are there any Kolbers with a Subaru motor on an M3. If there are I'd >>>> like any feedback that you may have. I found a great deal on an RDU >>>> for the Subaru, the motor itself is inexpensive and I am told that it >>>> will fit the Rotax mount on an Mark III Xtra. >>> >>> Ron >>> Sierra Vista Arizona >>> >>> >>> >> >> > Have a great day! > > >


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    Time: 07:57:20 AM PST US
    From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
    Subject: Re: 22,000 mf Capacitor for 912
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com> as | "optional?" | I am running a normal electrical system in my plane (battery, starter, etc.) | Can I use a Radio Shack equivalent that is smaller? | What kind of 22,000 mf capacitor are you 912 drivers using? | Hi Dennis/Gang: No, the capacitor is not essential, but like the man says, it will save your reg/rec should you have a battery problem. The capacitor is like insurance, plus it also helps soak up some of the RF noise. Without the capacitor, should the battery and alternator become disconnected, the reg/rec will fry. I have used capacitors on all my airplanes, two and four stroke powered. Wire the capacitor between the + and - wires right after they come out of the reg/rec. Good luck with your new 912. john h titus, alabama MKIII/912S


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    Time: 08:33:14 AM PST US
    From: N27SB@aol.com
    Subject: Spring Cleaning
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: N27SB@aol.com To All: I have a couple of items that I need to get rid of Used Full enclosure for a Standard FireFly - Free, Just pay for Boxing and shipping 950# rated Aluminum Czech Floats (Perfect for a Firestar II) $1250.00 + S/H. Normally $3500.00 FOB Fla Enclosed FireFly trailer $2000.00 BRS 500# Softpack $800.00 BIG oversized FireFly Wheels,Tires and Brakes, Free + S/H Duane da Plane gets first Dibs on the Firefly stuff. I just finished my new hanger and I do not want to put his stuff in it. Steve Boetto FF #007


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    Time: 08:35:56 AM PST US
    From: "Jon Croke" <jon@joncroke.com>
    Subject: Re: 22,000 mf Capacitor for 912
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jon Croke" <jon@joncroke.com> Dennis, This has been a common issue/topic of discussion and it is covered in detail in the new DVD video: Rotax 912 Installation Tips & Techniques available at www.HomebuiltHELP.com . I will give away the answer... so you dont have to buy the video! The reason it is OPTIONAL is that it depends on HOW you wire your circuit. In the older 912 installation manuals, they acutally show 2 different wiring diagrams: one that shows REQUIRING the cap and the other labeled as OPTIONAL. The difference between the 2 circuits is very simple. It boils down to this simple fact: while the engine is running, the 912 regulator needs to be constantly attached to either the capacitor OR your BATTERY. A battery is an excellent capacitor. However many builders wire their circuits so that a switch can disconnect the battery from the circuit, and if you wire it this way, then you MUST have the capacitor, as I just stated. IF you wire your circuit so that your battery is NEVER disconnected from the regualtor, (no switches) THEN you can get away from using the capacitor. Everyone wires their circuits differently, so that is why they say it is 'optional'. (Some builders like the idea of being able to switch off their battery supply and just run off the generator -- like the dual power switches in a Cessna panel) Having both a battery and capacitor is OK, too. Your capacitor is physically the correct size, some builders purchase ones with a higher voltage rating (more than 25V) and then it gets REALLY big! (this is not necessary) Do not go lower than 25V as yes, it will get smaller in size, but will then fail (short out internally) and you will have to buy a new regulator! Be sure to note the polarity as per the Rotax wiring diagram. Hope this helps,! Jon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kirby Dennis Contr MDA/AL" <Dennis.Kirby@kirtland.af.mil> Subject: Kolb-List: 22,000 mf Capacitor for 912 > --> Kolb-List message posted by: Kirby Dennis Contr MDA/AL > <Dennis.Kirby@kirtland.af.mil> > > Question for the Rotax-912 Operators: > > I am presently hooking up the electrical system for my newly-installed > 912. > The Rotax Installation Manual shows a 22,000 microFarad capacitor (25v) as > an optional piece of equipement, to be connected to the > regulator/rectifier > +B terminal. > One Rotax technician I spoke with insists this capacitor is essential to > prevent frying my $150 regulator. > > My question is: If this is "essential," why does the manual list it as > "optional?" > I am running a normal electrical system in my plane (battery, starter, > etc.) > > I ordered this capacitor from Lockwood, and the thing is HUGE! > It's a cylinder 3 inches long, and 2 inches in diameter. > > Can I use a Radio Shack equivalent that is smaller? > What kind of 22,000 mf capacitor are you 912 drivers using? > > Many thanks for the help ... > >


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    Time: 08:43:30 AM PST US
    From: "James, Ken" <KDJames@berkscareer.com>
    Subject: Fly-in at Homer's
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: "James, Ken" <KDJames@berkscareer.com> Terry great to meet you and Tom great to meet local pilots. =20I was like a kid in the candy store in Homers barn what a place!! Had a blast at the fly in, Saw lots of good ideals from your plane and others. ( great job on your plane Terry) It was great to see a 13 year old pilot fly in! I have a bunch of pics if you want I will send them to you or anyone who might put a page up. Got me fired up to finish my wings and can't wait until I get kit two :-) Home E-mail during the summer Thejamesgang5@comcast.net Ken James Drafting Design Technology Instructor Berks Career and Technology Center East Campus 3307 Friedensburg Rd. Oley, Pa. 19506 610-987-6201 Ext. 3532 Kdjames@berkscareer.com -----Original Message----- From: Terry Frantz [mailto:tkrolfe@usadatanet.net] Subject: Kolb-List: Fly-in at Homer's --> Kolb-List message posted by: Terry Frantz <tkrolfe@usadatanet.net> Gene, Thank you! I believe there were 18 planes parked there including Homer's. It was a good day! Great idea about the card. Wish I had thought of that before Saturday. In lieu of that I would ask everyone who was there to send a personal thank you to Homer and Clara. I did this last year. I know they would enjoy the feedback. Their e-mail address is: homerclara@yahoo.com Their mailing address is: 580 Wall St. =20 Phonexville, PA 19460 Take the time, drop a line of thanks, Terry - FireFly #95 IMPORTANT/CONFIDENTIAL: This communication is intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed. This e-mail contains information from the Berks Career & Technology Center that may be privileged, confidential, and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this communication is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately and permanently delete this message including all attachments. Thank you.


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    Time: 08:53:20 AM PST US
    From: "Guy Morgan" <morganguy@hotmail.com>
    Subject: Spring Cleaning
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Guy Morgan" <morganguy@hotmail.com> Steve, I'll take the wheels, tires, and brakes if Duane doesn't want 'em. Guy Morgan Galveston, TX Firelfly driver do not archive ----Original Message Follows---- From: N27SB@aol.com Subject: Kolb-List: Spring Cleaning --> Kolb-List message posted by: N27SB@aol.com To All: I have a couple of items that I need to get rid of Used Full enclosure for a Standard FireFly - Free, Just pay for Boxing and shipping 950# rated Aluminum Czech Floats (Perfect for a Firestar II) $1250.00 + S/H. Normally $3500.00 FOB Fla Enclosed FireFly trailer $2000.00 BRS 500# Softpack $800.00 BIG oversized FireFly Wheels,Tires and Brakes, Free + S/H Duane da Plane gets first Dibs on the Firefly stuff. I just finished my new hanger and I do not want to put his stuff in it. Steve Boetto FF #007 do not archive On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how to get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement


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    Time: 09:10:07 AM PST US
    From: "James, Ken" <KDJames@berkscareer.com>
    Subject: Spring Cleaning
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: "James, Ken" <KDJames@berkscareer.com> Will the brakes and wheels fit a MK III x? If so I'll be glad to take them. Ken James Drafting Design Technology Instructor Berks Career and Technology Center East Campus 3307 Friedensburg Rd. Oley, Pa. 19506 610-987-6201 Ext. 3532 Kdjames@berkscareer.com -----Original Message----- From: N27SB@aol.com [mailto:N27SB@aol.com] Subject: Kolb-List: Spring Cleaning --> Kolb-List message posted by: N27SB@aol.com To All: I have a couple of items that I need to get rid of Used Full enclosure for a Standard FireFly - Free, Just pay for Boxing and shipping 950# rated Aluminum Czech Floats (Perfect for a Firestar II) $1250.00 + S/H. Normally $3500.00 FOB Fla Enclosed FireFly trailer $2000.00 BRS 500# Softpack $800.00 BIG oversized FireFly Wheels,Tires and Brakes, Free + S/H Duane da Plane gets first Dibs on the Firefly stuff. I just finished my new hanger and I do not want to put his stuff in it. Steve Boetto FF #007 IMPORTANT/CONFIDENTIAL: This communication is intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed. This e-mail contains information from the Berks Career & Technology Center that may be privileged, confidential, and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this communication is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately and permanently delete this message including all attachments. Thank you.


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    Time: 09:27:14 AM PST US
    From: William George <wgeorge@mountainmeadowranch.com>
    Subject: Re: Subaru Engine
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: William George <wgeorge@mountainmeadowranch.com> Hi Rick, Don't know much about applications for airplane use. I do know a fellow who put one on his Kitfox and he seemed happy with it. I few months ago I purchased a Subaru STi. I drove one and had to have it (irrational for an old guy). This has got to be the sweetest motor I have ever operated. It is 2.5 liters, turbocharged and puts out 300 HP. It idles like a Swiss watch and has lots of low end torque; not peaky at all. I have no idea what it weighs with the turbo, inter-cooler, etc. but what a motor! Now to find an airplane to hang it on ;-) Bill George Hawaii Kolb Mk-3 Verner 1400 Powerfin On Jun 20, 2005, at 8:56 PM, Kolb-List Digest Server wrote: > Ron > > I looked at Subaru engines when I was considering engines for my > MKIIIc. My > view of the engine is that it is one of the best automotive engines > available for aircraft use. I talked to a guy that put a direct drive > Subaru > on his MKIIIc. He said he was happy with the setup but he sold the > airplane > and the first thing the buyer did was put a rotax on it. Sometimes > builders > overlook the negatives of their creations? I really considered the > engine > but it just seemed to be too heavy. My VW is heaver than the 912 > Rotaxes and > that has caused me some issues with weight and balance but I'm happy > with > the setup. I don't remember the installed weight of the Subaru but it > seem > like it is 30-50 lbs more than the VW and that just seemed to be too > much > for any of the big Kolbs. > > > My $.02 worth > > Rick Neilsen > Redrive VW powered MKIIIc


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    Time: 09:31:12 AM PST US
    From: "Don Gherardini" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
    Subject: Re: Spring Cleaning
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" <donghe@one-eleven.net> Steve, I would like to have the wheels brakes and tires...and the enclosure...at least I think if it is the plastic and velcro wrap deal that goes behind the pilot seat. Also...Kinda considering that trailer...wonder if you could send me some pics?? and a description with dimensions? thx Don Gherardini OEM.Sales / Engineering dept. American Honda Engines Power Equipment Company CortLand, Illinois 800-626-7326


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    Time: 10:02:34 AM PST US
    From: Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org>
    Subject: Re: 99.999%
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org> You might be able to. But I am not sure you want to. I suspect that the wing is at it's most efficient when the flaps and ailerons are aligned and at the same angle when everything is trimmed correctly. Right now I have got mine trimmed for zero stick pressure, and the flaps and aileron trailing edges are lined up in flight. But this requires a trim tab on one aileron. Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) At 10:11 AM 6/21/2005 -0400, you wrote: >--> Kolb-List message posted by: robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net> > >Group: the debugging process is still proceeding but I now can go >for a half hour ride and return with my fluids (not the personal ones) >intact. I had to do some tinkering with my vent system and cooling >plumbing. -Got in a nice jaunt this morning before 9:30. >A beautiful beginning to the longest day. >I may have to put on an aileron trim tab, been gradually tweaking >the flaps to see if I can cheat most of the left wing heaviness out >that way. >-BB, MkIIIc, one liter suzuki, >do not archive > >


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    Time: 10:52:41 AM PST US
    From: Ron <CaptainRon1@cox.net>
    Subject: Re: 99.999%
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: Ron <CaptainRon1@cox.net> Hi BB How is the performance of you Suzuki, and how complicated was it to install it on your M3C? Ron Sierra Vista Arizona ================ On Jun 21, 2005, at 7:11 AM, robert bean wrote: > --> Kolb-List message posted by: robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net> > > Group: the debugging process is still proceeding but I now can go > for a half hour ride and return with my fluids (not the personal ones) > intact. I had to do some tinkering with my vent system and cooling > plumbing. -Got in a nice jaunt this morning before 9:30. > A beautiful beginning to the longest day. > I may have to put on an aileron trim tab, been gradually tweaking > the flaps to see if I can cheat most of the left wing heaviness out > that way. > -BB, MkIIIc, one liter suzuki, > do not archive > > Have a great day!


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    Time: 11:09:24 AM PST US
    From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
    Subject: Re: 22,000 mf Capacitor for 912
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com> | IF you wire your circuit so that your battery is NEVER disconnected | from the regualtor, (no switches) THEN you can get away from using the | capacitor. | | Jon Hi Jon/All: I agree with the above, however, if for some reason the battery drops a cell/gets a dead cell, the reg/rec is gone without the capacitor for backup. Adding the capacitor is simple, connects to a plus and minus wire right out of the reg/rec. Does not weigh more than an ounce or two, helps soak up some of the rf noise generated by the alternator and ignition system, and is insurance against accident or material failure causing one to lose their expensive little reg/rec. john h titus, alabama MKIII/912S


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    Time: 12:22:09 PM PST US
    From: "PATRICK LADD" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
    Subject: Re: Rotax 503 Failure Poll, Changed to 582 and Prop Failure
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: "PATRICK LADD" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com> but did get rid of a lot of hoses, clamps and air filter covers.>> Hi John, I have fitted to the Jabiru in my Kolb an anti icing device which warms the actual carb. rather than trying to warm the air intake. This does away with all the things you mention but still gives you the benefit. Cheers Pat --


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    Time: 12:23:41 PM PST US
    From: "PATRICK LADD" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
    Subject: Re: Fly-in at Homer's
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: "PATRICK LADD" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com> It was great to see a 13 year old pilot fly in!>> Huh? What age can you solo in the States? Cheers Pat do not archive --


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    Time: 12:33:39 PM PST US
    From: N27SB@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Spring Cleaning
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: N27SB@aol.com In a message dated 6/21/2005 10:54:48 A.M. SA Pacific Standard Time, morganguy@hotmail.com writes: Steve, I'll take the wheels, tires, and brakes if Duane doesn't want 'em. Guy Morgan Galveston, TX Firelfly driver Hi Guy, You were the first to respond and Duane said let em go to someone that will use them. They were not cheap when new. I'll guess about $50 to box and ship. Let me know ASAP, there are a couple of other guys in line. Steve do not archive


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    Time: 12:36:23 PM PST US
    From: N27SB@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Spring Cleaning
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: N27SB@aol.com In a message dated 6/21/2005 11:10:58 A.M. SA Pacific Standard Time, KDJames@berkscareer.com writes: Will the brakes and wheels fit a MK III x? Hi Ken, Don't think so. Steve do not archive


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    Time: 12:38:05 PM PST US
    From: "PATRICK LADD" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
    Subject: Re: glide windmilling or prop stopped, was: Rotax 503 Failure
    Poll --> Kolb-List message posted by: "PATRICK LADD" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com> Did I muddy the waters even more?>> Hi Charlie, through a glass, darkly!. I think we are in general agreement here. Re switching off the engine for a glide test. Ii reckon switching off a running engine is a real psychological block. Its hard even for those with a gliding background. For those who have always flown with that racket going on it must be very, very hard indeed. Cheers Pat do not archive --


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    Time: 12:43:42 PM PST US
    From: N27SB@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Spring Cleaning
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: N27SB@aol.com In a message dated 6/21/2005 11:31:56 A.M. SA Pacific Standard Time, donghe@one-eleven.net writes: Also...Kinda considering that trailer...wonder if you could send me some pics?? and a description with dimensions? thx I will send pictures when I get home


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    Time: 01:50:22 PM PST US
    From: Steve Kroll <muso2080@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: Rotax 503 Failure Poll
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: Steve Kroll <muso2080@yahoo.com> Patrick and others involved in the engine out thread, Patrick, you've made a good case for more drag with an idling prop than one that's still..... <<<<<<<<enough to propel you at 10 mph .However when some other force, in this case gravity, propels the plane at 50 mph you will already be going faster than the prop can propel you and it will therefore act as a brake as the turning prop `gets in the way`. With the prop stopped just that blade is `in the way`, not the disc.>>>>>> I believe I'll have to concede that point and thank-you for setting me straight. It makes perfect sense. I'll never be able to prove it though as I'm not willing to intentionally turn off a perfectly good running Rotax 503 and risk stuffing my airplane for the sake of practice or anything else. The REAL event, unplanned and possibly over hostile territory, is going to have a decidedly different flavor from anything you could stage anyway. I don't know if there is anything you could do that would adequately prepare you for it. I've landed "out" (away from the airport) a handful of times flying cross-country in 1-26 gliders and each time was a totally unique experience. Steve Kroll do not archive --------------------------------- Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football


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    Time: 01:52:29 PM PST US
    From: DAquaNut@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Spring Cleaning
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: DAquaNut@aol.com Steve, Let me know what you want for the wheels tires and brakes for the Fly. I also would like the enclosure. Please contact me off - list. Ed Diebel


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    Time: 02:02:34 PM PST US
    From: russ kinne <kinnepix@earthlink.net>
    Subject: Re: glide windmilling or prop stopped, was: Rotax 503 Failure
    Poll --> Kolb-List message posted by: russ kinne <kinnepix@earthlink.net> Pat The silence is even harder when it's not planned! Best, Russ On Jun 21, 2005, at 3:37 PM, PATRICK LADD wrote: > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "PATRICK LADD" > <pj.ladd@btinternet.com> > > Did I muddy the waters even more?>> > > Hi Charlie, > > through a glass, darkly!. I think we are in general agreement here. > > Re switching off the engine for a glide test. Ii reckon switching off > a > running engine is a real psychological block. Its hard even for those > with a > gliding background. For those who have always flown with that racket > going > on it must be very, very hard indeed. > > Cheers > > Pat > > do not archive > > > -- > >


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    Time: 02:22:53 PM PST US
    From: robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
    Subject: Re: 99.999%
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net> Ron and all, good enough for me, but then I'm accustomed to A65s on antique airplanes. This gets up quicker, climbs faster, goes slower. -but then I go a little slower now too. Setting it up my way (the hard way) was slow, VERY experimental, sometimes frustrating and a big pain in the sphincters. It is possible to buy a complete package ready to mount. -A good route for those with limited time and patience. I had the airframe complete 2 years ago. The rest is only now working right. Could I have bolted on a 912 and been boring holes in the sky a long time ago? Well, I guess. At the time I wasn't even aware of the existence of a 912...... just 2 strokes. Had no desire to get familiar with them so decided to tinker. -BB do not archive On 21, Jun 2005, at 1:48 PM, Ron wrote: > --> Kolb-List message posted by: Ron <CaptainRon1@cox.net> > > Hi BB > How is the performance of you Suzuki, and how complicated was it to > install it on your M3C? > > Ron > Sierra Vista Arizona > > ================ > > > On Jun 21, 2005, at 7:11 AM, robert bean wrote: > >> --> Kolb-List message posted by: robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net> >> >> Group: the debugging process is still proceeding but I now can go >> for a half hour ride and return with my fluids (not the personal ones) >> intact. I had to do some tinkering with my vent system and cooling >> plumbing. -Got in a nice jaunt this morning before 9:30. >> A beautiful beginning to the longest day. >> I may have to put on an aileron trim tab, been gradually tweaking >> the flaps to see if I can cheat most of the left wing heaviness out >> that way. >> -BB, MkIIIc, one liter suzuki, >> do not archive >> >> > Have a great day! > >


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    Time: 04:30:56 PM PST US
    From: "woody" <duesouth@govital.net>
    Subject: 582 problem
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: "woody" <duesouth@govital.net> The club plane is a pig on gas. probably over 7 gph. The egt is around 1100. All jets are factory spec. Needle is at the leanest setting. Plugs are black and wet. Max rpm is 6000. What could be the cause. Prop pitch should be okay. I suspect carbs or perhaps timing. Has anyone had a similar experience?


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    Time: 05:56:59 PM PST US
    From: "Kolbdriver" <Kolbdriver@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: Re: 582 problem
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kolbdriver" <Kolbdriver@bellsouth.net> Woody, It sounds like you have too much pitch in the prop and loading the engine. The max RPM for the 582 is 6800. I had mine pitched so that it would be about 6700 at max straight and level speed. Steven G. ----- Original Message ----- From: "woody" <duesouth@govital.net> Subject: Kolb-List: 582 problem > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "woody" <duesouth@govital.net> > > > The club plane is a pig on gas. probably over 7 gph. The egt is around > 1100. All jets are factory spec. Needle is at the leanest setting. Plugs are > black and wet. Max rpm is 6000. What could be the cause. Prop pitch should > be okay. I suspect carbs or perhaps timing. Has anyone had a similar > experience? > >


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    Time: 06:05:10 PM PST US
    Subject: Silencing the 912
    From: Todd Fredricks <flyingfox@copper.net>
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: Todd Fredricks <flyingfox@copper.net> I was wondering if anyone has any experience with silencing 912s? I was once flying in France and a Jodel Robin DR400 taxied up behind me. Between his 4 bladed MT prop and full fuselage length exhaust and muffler I never heard him til he was 30 feet behind me and then he sounded like a big fan running. Would like to get a silenced as possible for photographing wildlife. Todd


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    Time: 07:34:34 PM PST US
    From: Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org>
    Subject: Re: 582 problem
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org> Any chance that the enrichment circuit is stuck open & the little brass pistons are not seating? (And if that turns out to be the case, raise the needles before you fly it again...) Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) At 07:35 PM 6/21/2005 -0400, you wrote: >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "woody" <duesouth@govital.net> > > > The club plane is a pig on gas. probably over 7 gph. The egt is around >1100. All jets are factory spec. Needle is at the leanest setting. Plugs are >black and wet. Max rpm is 6000. What could be the cause. Prop pitch should >be okay. I suspect carbs or perhaps timing. Has anyone had a similar >experience? > >


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    Time: 07:39:38 PM PST US
    From: "Richard Swiderwski" <rswiderski@earthlink.net>
    Subject: Subaru Engine
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard Swiderwski" <rswiderski@earthlink.net> The Suburu E81 with redrive & starter will weigh in at 200 lb & up & get you 90-100hp. Being a flat 4, there are no resonance issues & they have proven themselves in aircraft for going on 20yrs. The Geo Metro (Suzuki) 3cyl will weigh as little 145lb & put out 55-64hp (90-100hp turbocharged & 180 lbs.) The 4 cyl version is about 180lbs & 80-90hp. There are conversion kits for the Suzuki's for about $2300. My SPG-2 gear reduction is rated at 135hp (4-stroke) & will work on either the 3 or 4 cyl as is, & on the Suburu with a different adapter. The Suzuki's are fuel injected & have a bullet proof reputation, though they will not have the smoothness of a flat 4. Richard Swiderski Seeing the light at the end of the tunnel & gaining on Big Lar -List: Subaru Engine Ron I looked at Subaru engines when I was considering engines for my MKIIIc. My view of the engine is that it is one of the best automotive engines available for aircraft use. I talked to a guy that put a direct drive Subaru on his MKIIIc. He said he was happy with the setup but he sold the airplane and the first thing the buyer did was put a rotax on it. Sometimes builders overlook the negatives of their creations? I really considered the engine but it just seemed to be too heavy. My VW is heaver than the 912 Rotaxes and that has caused me some issues with weight and balance but I'm happy with the setup. I don't remember the installed weight of the Subaru but it seem like it is 30-50 lbs more than the VW and that just seemed to be too much for any of the big Kolbs. My $.02 worth Rick Neilsen Redrive VW powered MKIIIc ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" <CaptainRon1@cox.net> Subject: Kolb-List: Subaru Engine > --> Kolb-List message posted by: Ron <CaptainRon1@cox.net> > >> Are there any Kolbers with a Subaru motor on an M3. If there are I'd >> like any feedback that you may have. I found a great deal on an RDU >> for the Subaru, the motor itself is inexpensive and I am told that it >> will fit the Rotax mount on an Mark III Xtra. > > Ron > Sierra Vista Arizona > > >


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    Time: 08:11:14 PM PST US
    From: Flycrazy8@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Spring Cleaning.....My bid
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: Flycrazy8@aol.com Hey Steve I would like to place my bid on this Spring cleaning stuff.... I bid purchasing your BRS if I could get the Firefly enclosure with it....AND I'll even come pick it all up.........We all like a deal.......... Stephen BamaGa Firefly


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    Time: 08:23:50 PM PST US
    From: WhiskeyVictor36@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Ferrying the FireFly from Perryville, MO to Winchester,
    IN --> Kolb-List message posted by: WhiskeyVictor36@aol.com In a message dated 6/20/2005 5:14:17 PM Eastern Standard Time, jbhart@ldd.net writes: I have enclosed the latest two entries from my flight log. I was not able to fly the FireFly the whole way. Adverse wind conditions slowed progress so that we were into the second day when I believe a bearing failure occurred on the power end of the Victor 1+ crankshaft. Overall it was a tremendous experience, I would recommend it to anyone. Jack, Great report on your flight. Very enjoyable reading. Bill Varnes Original Kolb FireStar Audubon NJ Do Not Archive


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    Time: 08:42:46 PM PST US
    From: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
    Subject: Re: Subaru Engine
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com> Harrr...........if yer movin', yer gainin'. All my tough talk is out the window since the 110 deg temperatures hit. It's summer in Palm Springs, and I'm lookin' only to get outa here. Lar. Do not Archive. Larry Bourne Palm Springs, CA Building Kolb Mk III N78LB Vamoose www.gogittum.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Swiderwski" <rswiderski@earthlink.net> Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Subaru Engine > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard Swiderwski" > <rswiderski@earthlink.net> > > The Suburu E81 with redrive & starter will weigh in at 200 lb & up & get > you > 90-100hp. Being a flat 4, there are no resonance issues & they have proven > themselves in aircraft for going on 20yrs. The Geo Metro (Suzuki) 3cyl > will > weigh as little 145lb & put out 55-64hp (90-100hp turbocharged & 180 lbs.) > The 4 cyl version is about 180lbs & 80-90hp. There are conversion kits > for > the Suzuki's for about $2300. My SPG-2 gear reduction is rated at 135hp > (4-stroke) & will work on either the 3 or 4 cyl as is, & on the Suburu > with > a different adapter. The Suzuki's are fuel injected & have a bullet proof > reputation, though they will not have the smoothness of a flat 4. > > Richard Swiderski > Seeing the light at the end of the tunnel & gaining on Big Lar > > > -List: Subaru Engine > > > Ron > I looked at Subaru engines when I was considering engines for my MKIIIc. > My > view of the engine is that it is one of the best automotive engines > available for aircraft use. I talked to a guy that put a direct drive > Subaru > > on his MKIIIc. He said he was happy with the setup but he sold the > airplane > and the first thing the buyer did was put a rotax on it. Sometimes > builders > overlook the negatives of their creations? I really considered the engine > but it just seemed to be too heavy. My VW is heaver than the 912 Rotaxes > and > > that has caused me some issues with weight and balance but I'm happy with > the setup. I don't remember the installed weight of the Subaru but it seem > like it is 30-50 lbs more than the VW and that just seemed to be too much > for any of the big Kolbs. > > My $.02 worth > > Rick Neilsen > Redrive VW powered MKIIIc > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron" <CaptainRon1@cox.net> > To: <kolb-list@matronics.com> > Subject: Kolb-List: Subaru Engine > > >> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Ron <CaptainRon1@cox.net> >> >>> Are there any Kolbers with a Subaru motor on an M3. If there are I'd >>> like any feedback that you may have. I found a great deal on an RDU >>> for the Subaru, the motor itself is inexpensive and I am told that it >>> will fit the Rotax mount on an Mark III Xtra. >> >> Ron >> Sierra Vista Arizona >> >> >> > > >


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    Time: 10:06:05 PM PST US
    From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
    Subject: Re: 582 problem
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com> Max rpm is 6000. Woody from the North! Woody/Gang: Sounds like too much prop pitch. Should be able to turn 6,500 to 6,800 rpm WOT straight and level flight. When we over prop a two stroke, all signs will indicate over rich. Just the opposite of under propping and getting lean indications. Course it could be a lot of the things you mention, but 5 to 5.5 gph at 5,800 rpm cruise was about normal for my MKIII when it was powered by a 582, way back in 1992 and 1993. john h




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