---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 06/24/05: 18 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:55 AM - Re: Recent Trip (ron wehba) 2. 07:56 AM - Re: Recent Trip (Dave & Eve Pelletier) 3. 09:46 AM - Re: Kolb Twinstar (woody) 4. 10:45 AM - Re: Homer fly-in pictures. (James, Ken) 5. 12:22 PM - Re: " Rotax 503 Failure Poll", changed to, "Unpowered and Powered Flight" (PATRICK LADD) 6. 12:52 PM - Re: " Rotax 503 Failure Poll", changed to, "Unpowered and Powered Flight" (John Hauck) 7. 01:17 PM - evening flight in England (PATRICK LADD) 8. 01:52 PM - Re: evening flight in England (robert bean) 9. 02:02 PM - Re: Re: evening flight in England (John Hauck) 10. 03:49 PM - Re: Re: evening flight in England (PATRICK LADD) 11. 03:51 PM - Re: " Rotax 503 Failure Poll", changed to, "Unpowered and Powered Flight" (PATRICK LADD) 12. 04:24 PM - Re: " Rotax 503 Failure Poll", changed to, "Unpowered and Powered Flight" (Kirk Smith) 13. 04:59 PM - Incident (Herb Gayheart) 14. 05:04 PM - crash (Herb Gayheart) 15. 07:30 PM - Recent Kolb Trip (John Williamson) 16. 07:53 PM - Re: Recent Kolb Trip (John Hauck) 17. 08:38 PM - Re: Recent Kolb Trip (Larry Bourne) 18. 09:21 PM - Re: Recent Kolb Trip (Bob Dalton) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:55:09 AM PST US From: "ron wehba" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Recent Trip --> Kolb-List message posted by: "ron wehba" hi john,really sorry you had to "rough it", bet it was hot huh? ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Williamson" Subject: Kolb-List: Recent Trip > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Williamson" > > > Just got back from Big Bend area of Texas. Gary H. and I had a great time. > > It wasn't quite as primitive as I was ready for. I know John H. was > worried > about me not getting my milk and donuts for breakfast, so check out this > picture of breakfast this morning: > http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot/100_3882.JPG. > > I will have a complete update on the trip in a day or two. > > John Williamson > Arlington, TX > > Kolb Kolbra, Rotax 912ULS, 836 hours > http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot > > do not archive > > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:56:18 AM PST US From: "Dave & Eve Pelletier" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Recent Trip --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dave & Eve Pelletier" John/John Milk: $1.49 Doughnuts: $1.65 "Primitive Area Photo: PRICELESS! AzDave Do Not Archive > It wasn't quite as primitive as I was ready for. I know John H. was > worried > about me not getting my milk and donuts for breakfast, so check out this > picture of breakfast this morning: > http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot/100_3882.JPG. > John Williamson > Arlington, TX > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 09:46:26 AM PST US From: "woody" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Kolb Twinstar --> Kolb-List message posted by: "woody" If can't find the info but you have any questions or concerns just post it to the list and someone will answer. Welcome aboard. ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Kolb-List: Kolb Twinstar > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "jctuck3@excite.com" > > Greetings all! I am new to the bulletin board and have recently purchased a Kolb Mark II Twinstar; it was originally built by W.C. Ferguson, the designer of the Fergy. Does anyone on the list have access to the original owner's construction/service manual for this model? The New Kolb Aircraft company does not offer support for models this old, and I have not been successful in searching the Kolb list archives regarding the matter. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. Thank you. JulianTS 0142 > > > -- > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 10:45:07 AM PST US From: "James, Ken" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Homer fly-in pictures. --> Kolb-List message posted by: "James, Ken" Terry I can only read e-mail from home since I'm using the schools web site remotely, I can't post back, so if you want I can e-mail from my house to you just forward your home e-mail to thejamesgang5@comcast.net and I will be glad to send you. I graduated from Temple University. But my real education came from Fort Benning home of wayward boy's :-) Ken James Drafting Design Technology Instructor Berks Career and Technology Center East Campus 3307 Friedensburg Rd. Oley, Pa. 19506 610-987-6201 Ext. 3532 Kdjames@berkscareer.com -----Original Message----- From: Terry Frantz [mailto:tkrolfe@usadatanet.net] Subject: Kolb-List: Homer fly-in pictures. --> Kolb-List message posted by: Terry Frantz Ken, Will contact George Alexander and see if he is willing to include your pictures in his web page. He did an excellent job on last years fly-in and I sure hope he will do it again this year. Let you know. If you have additional copies, I would be interested. Interesting how we are both in the same line of work, at least you still are, I'm retired. What school did you attend? Terry - FireFly #95 Do Not Archive IMPORTANT/CONFIDENTIAL: This communication is intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed. This e-mail contains information from the Berks Career & Technology Center that may be privileged, confidential, and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this communication is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately and permanently delete this message including all attachments. Thank you. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 12:22:15 PM PST US From: "PATRICK LADD" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: " Rotax 503 Failure Poll", changed to, "Unpowered and Powered Flight" --> Kolb-List message posted by: "PATRICK LADD" An excellent reason to fly a Kolb powered by a reliable engine.>> Yeah, I suppose, but the place to learn to fly is in a glider. In my first log book I have the first 3 pages without a flight more than 6 minutes. Went solo at flight 57 with about 4 hours flight time BUT about 50 take offs and landings. The bit in between is the easy bit. Pilots who learn in power wouldn`t accumulate 50 take offs and landings in 20 hours. In the 60`s glider launching cable breaks ocurred about every 4th launch so the equivelant to an engine out was practiced 10 or 12 times in my first 4 hours flying. How many engine outs does the average PPL practice before he goes solo? It was also cheaper to fly gliders. If we prepaid, the club was always strapped for cash, we got 5 launches( behind a Ford F100) for 1.(about 2 dollars) If we bought the launches separately it was 4 for 1. The main advantage of gliding was not a financial one. It was the fact that unless everyone worked, no one flew. In the UK there is no such thing as ringing the flightline and asking for your machine to be ready at a certain time, fly for an hour and then go home. You are either there in the morning to get the gliders out of the hanger or you are there at night to put them away. In between time the gliders must be retrieved and pushed back to the launch point, retrieve vehicles driven, flight log kept, instructing to be done, the launch vehicle needs a driver and a spotter. Busy , busy. This builds a great club/team spirit. In a flying club you probably never meet other members accept at the Annual dance. While you have the strength, glide. When you slow up and would rather press a switch than lay on your stomach attaching a launching wire switch to power. Cheers Pat do not archive -- ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 12:52:37 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: " Rotax 503 Failure Poll", changed to, "Unpowered and Powered Flight" --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" john h | | Yeah, I suppose, | but the place to learn to fly is in a glider. | Pat Pat/All: All powered aircraft are gliders when they quit making noise. I agree, the place to learn to fly gliders is in as glider. However, the place to fly powered airplanes is in a powered airplane. I do not know about others, but but my log books are full of landings. It is the nature of the type of flying I do in Kolb aircraft. Never experienced having someone "do" my airplane or aircraft since I was still flying for Uncle Sam. Kolb flying for me is exactly that. I do everything. About the only time I get away without doing it all is when I am flying for Kolb Aircraft and one of the guys takes care of fueling my airplane. On those few occassions it really feels good to be treated nicely. Like I said a while back to the Kolb List, "Many Kolb pilots experience their first engine off landing on their first engine failure." There is quit a difference between an idling prop on a Kolb and a dead stick. Personally, I would rather be aware and accustomed to those flight characteristics prior to an actual engine out emergency. Much nicer doing dead stick landings at a big airport with lots of room and 3 or 4 thousand feet of runway. john h ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 01:17:46 PM PST US From: "PATRICK LADD" Subject: Kolb-List: evening flight in England --> Kolb-List message posted by: "PATRICK LADD" when the sun gets low the air stills.>> Hi, your post just hit the right note. Here is last nights flight. It has been hot, by our standards, 80 to 90 for a week but with with a strongish gusty South wind which unfortunately did not drop in the evening. No flying. Yesterday was the same except that the wind ceased. In the evening it was beautiful. My inspector had done my annual C of A the day before, leaving me to do the flying checks. A timed climb from 1 to 2000 ft and a flight to VNE. This should be done in smooth conditions and last night was perfect. Flew at 7.30 pm from my strip, which really is a strip at the moment as the runway is the only cut bit in a field of mowing grass. Climbed into a cloudless sky with just a few little tickles from fading thermals. Did my climb by my stopwatch and then pushed the speed up to 100 mph. All straightforward. Landed to check the plane over after pushing up to VNE and to read my stopwatch. The dial of my cheapo imitation Brietling is too small to read without changing glasses, a complication I can do without in an open cockpit. Took off again, in shirt sleeves and shorts about 8.15pm. Did the climb check again to confirm my stopwatch reading and then wandered of in a slow climb to 3000ft agl.along the edge of Salisbury Plain looking for Crop Circles. The visibility was around 20 miles with the lowering sun casting long shadows across deep green fields. Columns of smoke from garden bonfires rose straight up and there were a few tractors working on the farms below, getting in the hay.. I flew along the Ridgeway, an old neolithic track, old when Stonehenge was built, which stretches for miles across the rolling hills and with the shadows being cast I could see the shapes if the hillcamps where the local tribes lived before the Romans came, and the hillocks of the tumuli where their warriors are buried. Silbury Hill, the largest man made hill in Europe showed up to port. No one knows what it was for but the Roman Road from Londinium to Aque Sulis (Bath) goes ROUND it. Just over there is the town in which I live, soft yellow limestone glowing in the sunlight. Saxons lived there on the side of the river about 600 years after Christ was born, and built one of the first churches in England. It is still there. A Roman later built a fine villa overlooking the river. We know because the tiled floor and the hypocaust and the foundations were discovered under the school playing field a couple of years ago. Just below me, in those hay fields, is the site of the battle of Ethandune, now the village of Edington, where King Alfred defeated the Danes. A couple of miles away is the old 1940`s airfield where I learned to fly and from which as a boy, I watched the Stirlings and Horsa gliders leave for the Normandy beaches and for the catastrophe of Arnhem There is the huge ditch and embankment which runs across the Plain as far as the Severn, more than a hundred miles. There is a legend that a ghostly carriage and four black horses are sometimes seen galloping along it as the body of a Queen of England is taken to her final resting place. One of the eight White Horses cut in the chalk of the Wiltshire hillsides drifted by underneath as I turned back towards the setting sun. Peering into the sunset I could just make out about 15 balloons drifting across the sky 10 miles away so I put in a dogleg so that I wasn`t flying blind into the sun and throttled back for a quiet easy drift slowly downwards to my field. Slight mist was just beginning to form in the valleys. One of the other ultra lights on my strip was being tucked away in the barn and another was just taxying in as I drifted on the downwind leg. I made a long approach over a trailerload of hay which had been left right in the way. Smooth touchdown and taxy in.I cut the engine and enjoy a quiet moment listening to the birds before climbing out and pushing my plane into its hangar. Slight mist just condensing on the windscreen. It is 9.15pm. Exchange a few words with the other pilots about a fly-in this weekend and then home to a beer on the porch to watch the full moon come up, blood red and huge, over the distant hills. It was so bright that watching the moon rise was like watching a sunset in reverse. What a day! Cheers Pat do not archive ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 01:52:48 PM PST US From: robert bean Subject: Kolb-List: re: evening flight in England --> Kolb-List message posted by: robert bean Pat, delightful flight report. Thanks -BB do not archive ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 02:02:58 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: re: evening flight in England --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" | -BB Hi Pat/Bob B/All: Did I miss something? What airplane were you flying, Pat? Was it your MKIIIX or the Challenger? john h hauck's holler, alabama DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 03:49:18 PM PST US From: "PATRICK LADD" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: re: evening flight in England --> Kolb-List message posted by: "PATRICK LADD" What airplane were you flying, Pat?>> Hi John, this flight was in the Challenger. Perfect conditions for the open cockpit. Glad you liked it. Extra is still progressing but I think the extraordinary heat lately must have played up the paint. Even spraying in the cool of the evening and early morning the red paint still looks poor after 3 coats. Perhaps it has been stored in the heat. Still waiting on the noise test before it can fly, but soon, soon.. Cheers Pat do not achive -- ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 03:51:33 PM PST US From: "PATRICK LADD" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: " Rotax 503 Failure Poll", changed to, "Unpowered and Powered Flight" --> Kolb-List message posted by: "PATRICK LADD" I do not know about others, but but my log books are full of landings. It is the nature of the type of flying I do in Kolb aircraft.>> Hi John, and a master you are at it. My point was that in a glider you learn deadstick landings and stuff from your first flight, and every flight. About my tenth flight the instructor threw his gloves over the ASI and Altimeter and said `You don`t need those.Listen to the wind, look out the window` So many pilots, perhaps not so many ultralight pilots because of the sort of flying we do, get worried to death if they can`t get a QFE to set their altimeter before landing. <>. I am sure most of us operate like that but the Inspector must do an annual check and sign off on any work done on the plane including any mandatory mods. issued. I had to fit a third hinge to my fin last year. Someone somewhere had pulled the pin out through the tail plane support struts and they had to be made solid where the clevis pin went through the tube. That sort of stuff. Engine maintenance and repairs are checked in the log book, you can do the work yourself, it just has to be done. Not too onerous really. If you don`t get your Permit to Fly signed then you are flying illegally and that means no insurance, which is against the law.. I am afraid my litle evening wander doesn`t live up to the nomadic way you fly around the States but we all enjoy our sport in different ways. Thank goodness. Cheers Pat do not archive -- ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 04:24:28 PM PST US From: "Kirk Smith" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: " Rotax 503 Failure Poll", changed to, "Unpowered and Powered Flight" --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kirk Smith" . How many engine outs does the average PPL practice > before he goes solo? How many landings does a glider pilot do in a glider with a glide ratio of 7 to 1 before he soloes? Cheerio! Do not archive! ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 04:59:27 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Incident From: Herb Gayheart --> Kolb-List message posted by: Herb Gayheart Guys Heard this morning on WLAC radio that "a first flight Kolb" went down in Dixon Tenn. Take off or landing? Fatality. Hope that I heard wrong! Herb ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 05:04:20 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: crash From: Herb Gayheart --> Kolb-List message posted by: Herb Gayheart Guys The Tennessean news paper has the story. 75 year old pilot. does not mention the type of plane. Inagural flight. Herb http://www.tennessean.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050624/COUNTY03/50 624002 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 07:30:56 PM PST US From: "John Williamson" Subject: Kolb-List: Recent Kolb Trip --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Williamson" Hi All, I just finished the update on my website of my recent trip to the Big Bend area of Texas.(Address down below) I have now redefined the way primitive camping is done, fortunately for the better. Gary had a good headwind for his leg home from Sonora, TX and I had the crosswind. We both had a great time in a beautiful area. John Williamson Arlington, TX Kolb Kolbra, Rotax 912ULS, 836 hours http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot do not archive ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 07:53:32 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Recent Kolb Trip --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" Big Bend | area of Texas.(Address down below) John W/Gang: The photo of Terrell Country Airport brings back a few memories: -Stopped here to rest during the 1994 flight around the US and up to Alaska. -Spent three days here, returning from the First Annual Unplanned/Unorganized Kolb Flyin at Monument Valley, UT. That was the time it rained for three days and flooded the airport. Thanks for the memories. john h hauck's holler, alabama DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 08:38:04 PM PST US From: "Larry Bourne" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Recent Kolb Trip --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" That is some seriously rugged and beautiful country, John, and a great flight. Thanks. I'm curious about any concerns you had about the ADIZ on the Mexican border ?? Did you have to check in, or report on radio, or something ?? Uh.......if you had Mexican food in that little Cavalry Post town, would it have been Fajitas Lajitas ?? :-) (sorry) :-) Lar. Do not Archive. Larry Bourne Palm Springs, CA Building Kolb Mk III N78LB Vamoose www.gogittum.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Williamson" Subject: Kolb-List: Recent Kolb Trip > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Williamson" > > > Hi All, > > I just finished the update on my website of my recent trip to the Big Bend > area of Texas.(Address down below) > > I have now redefined the way primitive camping is done, fortunately for > the > better. > > Gary had a good headwind for his leg home from Sonora, TX and I had the > crosswind. We both had a great time in a beautiful area. > > John Williamson > Arlington, TX > > Kolb Kolbra, Rotax 912ULS, 836 hours > http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot > > do not archive > > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 09:21:14 PM PST US From: "Bob Dalton" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Recent Kolb Trip --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bob Dalton" John, Thanks for sharing the pictures of your trip! The town of Lajitas looked pretty neat, was anyone there? Bob Dalton Manteca, CA Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Williamson Subject: Kolb-List: Recent Kolb Trip --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Williamson" Hi All, I just finished the update on my website of my recent trip to the Big Bend area of Texas.(Address down below) I have now redefined the way primitive camping is done, fortunately for the better. Gary had a good headwind for his leg home from Sonora, TX and I had the crosswind. We both had a great time in a beautiful area. John Williamson Arlington, TX Kolb Kolbra, Rotax 912ULS, 836 hours http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot do not archive