---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 06/29/05: 47 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:33 AM - Re: Recent Kolb Trip (PATRICK LADD) 2. 03:52 AM - Re: " Rotax 503 Failure Poll", changed to, "Unpowered and Powered Flight" (PATRICK LADD) 3. 05:15 AM - young flyers (robert bean) 4. 06:13 AM - Re: young flyers (Kirk Smith) 5. 06:38 AM - Re: Oshkosh 2005 (Todd Fredricks) 6. 07:01 AM - Re: Oshkosh 2005 (woody) 7. 07:23 AM - Re: Vamoose Lit Up (Larry Bourne) 8. 07:36 AM - Re: Oshkosh 2005 (snuffy@usol.com) 9. 07:42 AM - Re: Non Kolb Down! (Denny Rowe) 10. 08:01 AM - Re: Oshkosh 2005 (John Williamson) 11. 08:20 AM - Re: Oshkosh 2005 (Todd Fredricks) 12. 08:22 AM - Re: Non Kolb Down! (Steve Garvelink) 13. 08:23 AM - Re: Oshkosh 2005 (Todd Fredricks) 14. 08:24 AM - Re: Oshkosh 2005 (Todd Fredricks) 15. 08:36 AM - Re: Third Annual Kolb Flyin at Monument valley (Richard & Martha Neilsen) 16. 09:23 AM - Sport Pilot (Jimmy) 17. 09:25 AM - Re: Non Kolb Down! (John Hauck) 18. 09:28 AM - Sport Pilot, EAA Experimenter, or Whatever It Is Called These Days (John Hauck) 19. 09:34 AM - Re: Re: Third Annual Kolb Flyin at Monument valley (John Hauck) 20. 10:05 AM - Re: Re: Third Annual Kolb Flyin at Monument valley (pollus) 21. 10:26 AM - Re: Re: Third Annual Kolb Flyin at Monument valley (John Hauck) 22. 10:36 AM - Re: young flyers (PATRICK LADD) 23. 10:44 AM - Re: Re: Third Annual Kolb Flyin at Monument valley (PATRICK LADD) 24. 11:03 AM - Re: Re: Third Annual Kolb Flyin at Monument valley (PATRICK LADD) 25. 11:20 AM - millions (PATRICK LADD) 26. 11:30 AM - Re: millions (robert bean) 27. 11:48 AM - Re: Sport Pilot, EAA Experimenter, or Whatever It Is Called These ... (N27SB@aol.com) 28. 12:01 PM - Re: Sport Pilot, EAA Experimenter, or Whatever It Is Called These ... (John Hauck) 29. 12:09 PM - Re: Sport Pilot, EAA Experimenter, or Whatever It Is Called These ... (N27SB@aol.com) 30. 12:22 PM - Re: Spring Cleaning (Dwight.Kottke@hti.htch.com) 31. 01:06 PM - Re: millions (pollus) 32. 01:17 PM - Re: young flyers (Ron) 33. 01:45 PM - Donald Mize MKIIIxtra Crash and Fatality (John Hauck) 34. 01:58 PM - Looking for lost info. (Mike Pierzina) 35. 02:52 PM - Re: Looking for lost info. (John Hauck) 36. 02:53 PM - 532 engine (flykolb) 37. 03:07 PM - EDES (Robert Laird) 38. 03:59 PM - Re: 532 engine (Wayne T. McCullough) 39. 05:01 PM - Re: millions (russ kinne) 40. 06:17 PM - Re: Oshkosh 2005 (Scott Trask) 41. 06:30 PM - Re: Donald Mize MKIIIxtra Crash and Fatality (Todd Fredricks) 42. 07:28 PM - Re: EDES (bryan green) 43. 07:32 PM - Re: 532 engine (Richard Pike) 44. 08:02 PM - Re: Non Kolb Down! (David Paule) 45. 08:37 PM - Re: EDES (Richard & Martha Neilsen) 46. 08:52 PM - Using an Electric starter (Dickk9@AOL.com) 47. 09:42 PM - Re: Using an Electric starter (Ron) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:33:50 AM PST US From: "PATRICK LADD" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Recent Kolb Trip --> Kolb-List message posted by: "PATRICK LADD" f the government had decided to shut down the borders just two short generations ago,>> Which government would that be Steve?. Mexicans or Texicans? I also subscribe to a Jazz list and they often refer to a tune called `When the war breaks out in Mexico, you will find me in Seattle`. Oh well, back to Kolbs. This weekend sees the BIG show for light a/c in the UK. The Rally run by The Popular Flying Association. This will be a three day showand this year there has been a real effort to attract non flyers to swell numbers. The important news is that the 3 Xtra will be exhibited for the first time fully certificated with the Jabiru engine and cleared for vortex generators. This could be a real shot in the arm for Kolbs in the UK. Fingers crossed for good weather. Cheers Pat do not archive -- ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:52:51 AM PST US From: "PATRICK LADD" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: " Rotax 503 Failure Poll", changed to, "Unpowered and Powered Flight" --> Kolb-List message posted by: "PATRICK LADD" Even for tea?>> Hi Kirk, Now then, repeat after me. `One must not be ridiculous, don`tcha know` Cheers Pat do not archive -- ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:15:07 AM PST US From: robert bean Subject: Kolb-List: young flyers --> Kolb-List message posted by: robert bean Oh well, back to Kolbs. This weekend sees the BIG show for light a/c in the UK. The Rally run by The Popular Flying Association. This will be a three day showand this year there has been a real effort to attract non flyers to swell numbers. Pat/all, while it is nice to see old friends still flying, there is a shortage of young people. In the 1970s pilots in their 20s and 30s were buying old taildraggers, restoring and flying them. -lotsa ultralighters too. There may be pockets of activity elsewhere in the US but around here its dominated by grayhairs. -BB do not archive ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:13:19 AM PST US From: "Kirk Smith" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: young flyers --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kirk Smith" > there is > a shortage of young people. In the 1970s pilots in their 20s > and 30s were buying old taildraggers, restoring and flying > them. -lotsa ultralighters too. There may be pockets of activity > elsewhere > in the US but around here its dominated by grayhairs. > -BB Now the kids in there 20s and 30s and younger have a plethora of other vehicles of amusement ( 4 wheelers, dirtbikes, jetskis, etc.) and few rules to govern the usage of them compared to aircraft. There is a certain irony for me in all this as I recall the image of me pulling out on my runway last year to take off and as I look down the runway, there not 200 feet in front of me is a kid on a dirt bike. He sees me and wheels around tearing off on 27 to get away. I finally catch up to him just as he exits the end of the runway. As I fly over him he hides in the treeline at the end. He's probably not old enough to hold a drivers license, doesn't care about liability issues, insurance , etc. We're probably better off that they don't want to fly. Do not archive ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:38:12 AM PST US From: Todd Fredricks Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Oshkosh 2005 --> Kolb-List message posted by: Todd Fredricks John: I have decided in my post-Iraq freedom to finally attend Oshkosh with my oldest son. Never been to the big OSH. Plus it will allow me an opportunity to try on a few Kolbs before we start building this winter. Would love to meet you Kolb Icons. We will be camping for a couple of days, 28-30th. Where do the Kolb people usually hang out? Todd --- John Williamson wrote: > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Williamson" > > > Fellow Kolbers, > > Oshkosh is just 26 days away! > > Have you made your plans yet? You are all invited to > join in the flight > along the lake. > > I, along with a few other Kolbs will gather at Sault > Ste Marie Muni (KANJ), > MI on Saturday evening 23 July. Then we plan to fly > along the south shore of > Lake Superior on Sunday 24 July and land at Ford > Airport (KIMT), Iron > Mountain, MI for a late lunch. > > Our schedules vary before and after this small > gathering but most will fly > into Oshkosh on Monday morning 25 July > > More details of my planned flight our on my website > (address below). > > > John Williamson > Arlington, TX > > Kolb Kolbra, Rotax 912ULS, 837 hours > http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot > do not archive > > > > browse > Subscriptions page, > FAQ, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:01:06 AM PST US From: "woody" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Oshkosh 2005 --> Kolb-List message posted by: "woody" If you really want to see airplanes and see what is there skip the weekend. If you go during the week there are less people and you can actually see and talk to people. I learned this a few years ago and my pilgramiges have been a lot more pleasant and productive. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Todd Fredricks" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Oshkosh 2005 > --> Kolb-List message posted by: Todd Fredricks > > John: > > I have decided in my post-Iraq freedom to finally > attend Oshkosh with my oldest son. Never been to the > big OSH. Plus it will allow me an opportunity to try > on a few Kolbs before we start building this winter. > > Would love to meet you Kolb Icons. We will be camping > for a couple of days, 28-30th. Where do the Kolb > people usually hang out? > > Todd > > --- John Williamson wrote: > > > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Williamson" > > > > > > Fellow Kolbers, > > > > Oshkosh is just 26 days away! > > > > Have you made your plans yet? You are all invited to > > join in the flight > > along the lake. > > > > I, along with a few other Kolbs will gather at Sault > > Ste Marie Muni (KANJ), > > MI on Saturday evening 23 July. Then we plan to fly > > along the south shore of > > Lake Superior on Sunday 24 July and land at Ford > > Airport (KIMT), Iron > > Mountain, MI for a late lunch. > > > > Our schedules vary before and after this small > > gathering but most will fly > > into Oshkosh on Monday morning 25 July > > > > More details of my planned flight our on my website > > (address below). > > > > > > John Williamson > > Arlington, TX > > > > Kolb Kolbra, Rotax 912ULS, 837 hours > > http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot > > do not archive > > > > > > > > browse > > Subscriptions page, > > FAQ, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:23:54 AM PST US From: "Larry Bourne" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Vamoose Lit Up --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" Hmmm.......not sure about the connotations of that....?? I'm amazed to see that old post. How did you find it ?? I wonder if any others here remember Ron and his beautiful Mk III 1/2 ?? Also, the VW engine has been fine, so far, for its' whole 1 hour running time. That &#@% redrive is the PIA. Lar. Do not Archive. Larry Bourne Palm Springs, CA Building Kolb Mk III N78LB Vamoose www.gogittum.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "possums" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Vamoose Lit Up > --> Kolb-List message posted by: possums > > At 10:49 PM 6/28/2005, you wrote: >>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" >> >>My goodness........of course ! ! ! Couldn't have ol' Lar beatin' anybody >>into the air, now could we ?? :-) Lar. Do >>not Archive. >> >>Larry Bourne >>Palm Springs, CA >>Building Kolb Mk III >>N78LB Vamoose > > I think we lost you back in '97 when you went with the VW engine. > But we know you'll finish - or die trying. > ------------------------------- > Date: Dec 07, 1997 > From: "Ron Christensen" ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:36:21 AM PST US From: snuffy@usol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Oshkosh 2005 --> Kolb-List message posted by: snuffy@usol.com I have decided in my post-Iraq freedom to finally > attend Oshkosh with my oldest son. I assume that post Iraq- freedom implies that you served in Iraq in the military. If so may I offer my gratitude for your service in an extremely difficult place. Oshkosh will certainly be a welcome environment after that......... Kirk Do not archive ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:42:40 AM PST US From: "Denny Rowe" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Non Kolb Down! --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Denny Rowe" Good one Earl > do not archive > . Still haven't figure out why a > man worth 18.2 billion would be flying anything but a kolb??? :-) > ~ Earl > > > -- > > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:01:40 AM PST US From: "John Williamson" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Oshkosh 2005 --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Williamson" Todd and All, It looks like TNK will only have a display in the main aircraft display area (spots 62 & 63). That creates a lack of a good location for Kolb people to gather. Me and several other Kolb flyers will be camping beside our airplanes on the ultralight flight line. When you are standing at the fence watching the traffic at the ultralight strip, we will be in the grass area on the other side of the strip. If no one is around the airplanes, leave a note or a cell phone number and we will try to hook up with anyone that makes the effort. I just talked to Travis at TNK and he confirmed the only Kolb display will be in the main aircraft display area. Dick will fly the FireStar out of the ultralight strip as usual but will probably keep it tied down near the rest of us Kolb Campers during his non-flying time. As already mentioned, Monday thru Friday are the best times to see and talk to people about airplanes. Anybody have any ideas on a meeting place and/or time? John Williamson Arlington, TX Kolb Kolbra, Rotax 912ULS, 837 hours Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Oshkosh 2005 --> Kolb-List message posted by: Todd Fredricks I think I can find a certain Blue Kolbra and leave a note. Should be fun to meet Kolb people. Hoping i fit in a Mark III X. My son does a good job at 8 of hold a course and flying roads in the 172 but I sure would like to show him a horizon forward and I think a Mark III would do that even if he still can't reach the pedals. Todd --- John Williamson wrote: > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Williamson" > > > Todd and All, > > It looks like TNK will only have a display in the > main aircraft display area > (spots 62 & 63). That creates a lack of a good > location for Kolb people to > gather. > > Me and several other Kolb flyers will be camping > beside our airplanes on the > ultralight flight line. When you are standing at the > fence watching the > traffic at the ultralight strip, we will be in the > grass area on the other > side of the strip. If no one is around the > airplanes, leave a note or a cell > phone number and we will try to hook up with anyone > that makes the effort. > > I just talked to Travis at TNK and he confirmed the > only Kolb display will > be in the main aircraft display area. Dick will fly > the FireStar out of the > ultralight strip as usual but will probably keep it > tied down near the rest > of us Kolb Campers during his non-flying time. > > As already mentioned, Monday thru Friday are the > best times to see and talk > to people about airplanes. > > Anybody have any ideas on a meeting place and/or > time? > > > John Williamson > Arlington, TX > > Kolb Kolbra, Rotax 912ULS, 837 hours > > do not archive > > > > browse > Subscriptions page, > FAQ, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 08:22:06 AM PST US From: "Steve Garvelink" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Non Kolb Down! --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Steve Garvelink" 747 WOULD BE MORE FUN OR MAYBE AN F16 OR 2 -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Denny Rowe Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Non Kolb Down! --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Denny Rowe" Good one Earl > do not archive > . Still haven't figure out why a > man worth 18.2 billion would be flying anything but a kolb??? :-) > ~ Earl > > > -- > > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 08:23:32 AM PST US From: Todd Fredricks Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Oshkosh 2005 --> Kolb-List message posted by: Todd Fredricks I did and I am proud of it and what we are doing over there in spite of what the media is feeding my fellow Americans here. But that said, I will take Oshkosh at 90% humidity and 90 degrees over Diyala Province at 20% humidity and 130 degrees and I will especially welcome the opportunity to meet some heros of mine who make their retirements into grand adventures flying small airplanes where most people think they have no business going ;) Todd PS: Don't thank me, thank my buddies who came home on one final trip and the ones who left parts of themselves over there. I was blessed to serve my country and return intact. I can ask nothing more. --- snuffy@usol.com wrote: > --> Kolb-List message posted by: snuffy@usol.com > > I have decided in my post-Iraq freedom to finally > > attend Oshkosh with my oldest son. > > I assume that post Iraq- freedom implies that you > served in Iraq in > the military. If so may I offer my gratitude for > your service in an > extremely difficult place. Oshkosh will certainly > be a welcome > environment after that......... Kirk > > Do not > archive > > > > browse > Subscriptions page, > FAQ, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 08:24:42 AM PST US From: Todd Fredricks Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Oshkosh 2005 --> Kolb-List message posted by: Todd Fredricks We should be there Thursday and Friday as well as Saturday. So that might work out well. Todd --- woody wrote: > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "woody" > > > If you really want to see airplanes and see what > is there skip the > weekend. If you go during the week there are less > people and you can > actually see and talk to people. I learned this a > few years ago and my > pilgramiges have been a lot more pleasant and > productive. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Todd Fredricks" > To: > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Oshkosh 2005 > > > > --> Kolb-List message posted by: Todd Fredricks > > > > > John: > > > > I have decided in my post-Iraq freedom to finally > > attend Oshkosh with my oldest son. Never been to > the > > big OSH. Plus it will allow me an opportunity to > try > > on a few Kolbs before we start building this > winter. > > > > Would love to meet you Kolb Icons. We will be > camping > > for a couple of days, 28-30th. Where do the Kolb > > people usually hang out? > > > > Todd > > > > --- John Williamson > wrote: > > > > > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John > Williamson" > > > > > > > > > Fellow Kolbers, > > > > > > Oshkosh is just 26 days away! > > > > > > Have you made your plans yet? You are all > invited to > > > join in the flight > > > along the lake. > > > > > > I, along with a few other Kolbs will gather at > Sault > > > Ste Marie Muni (KANJ), > > > MI on Saturday evening 23 July. Then we plan to > fly > > > along the south shore of > > > Lake Superior on Sunday 24 July and land at Ford > > > Airport (KIMT), Iron > > > Mountain, MI for a late lunch. > > > > > > Our schedules vary before and after this small > > > gathering but most will fly > > > into Oshkosh on Monday morning 25 July > > > > > > More details of my planned flight our on my > website > > > (address below). > > > > > > > > > John Williamson > > > Arlington, TX > > > > > > Kolb Kolbra, Rotax 912ULS, 837 hours > > > http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot > > > do not archive > > > > > > > > > > > > browse > > > Subscriptions page, > > > FAQ, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > browse > Subscriptions page, > FAQ, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 08:36:20 AM PST US From: "Richard & Martha Neilsen" Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Third Annual Kolb Flyin at Monument valley --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard & Martha Neilsen" All I'm still not holding my breath but it looks like the article will be in the August issue of Sport Pilot. Ok, Johns/everyone step to the plate and share with the world your exploits in Kolbs. It appears that the EAA doesn't write anything by themselves except when they are, shall we say paid? Quit, just, complaining about the lack of coverage of inexpensive airplanes in the EAA magazines and do something about it. Do not archive Rick Neilsen Redrive VW powered MKIIIc ----- Original Message ----- From: Mary Jones To: Richard & Martha Neilsen Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2005 12:06 PM Subject: RE: Annual Kolb Flyin at Monument valley Thanks for the quick reply! And, it's official ... this article will appear in the August issue, which we'll be distributing at EAA AirVenture Oshkosh 2005! Cheers, Mary -----Original Message----- From: Richard & Martha Neilsen [mailto:NeilsenRM05@comcast.net] Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2005 11:04 AM To: Mary Jones Subject: Re: Annual Kolb Flyin at Monument valley Mary This is a independent list. They have a list specifically for Kolbs. It is http://www.matronics.com/Navigator/?Kolb-List Rick Neilsen ----- Original Message ----- From: Mary Jones To: Richard & Martha Neilsen Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2005 11:57 AM Subject: RE: Annual Kolb Flyin at Monument valley Thanks ... another question about the e-mail list ... is this a list supported on the factory's website or is it a separate e-mail list. Either way, can you give me the link/address so that we might publish that as well. Thanks! Mary -----Original Message----- From: Richard & Martha Neilsen [mailto:NeilsenRM05@comcast.net] Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2005 4:20 PM To: Mary Jones Subject: Re: Annual Kolb Flyin at Monument valley Mary Five pilots flew and four pulled them in in trailers. Rick Neilsen ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 09:23:21 AM PST US From: "Jimmy" Subject: Kolb-List: Sport Pilot --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jimmy" Can the Sport Pilot Magazine be bought on the news stands or book stores? Jimmy Hankinson 912-863-7384 Firefly 035 JYL (Sylvania) Pegasus Field (Home) 2000 Feet X 100 Feet- Grass Rocky Ford, Georgia Do Not Archive ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 09:25:24 AM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Non Kolb Down! --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" | --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Steve Garvelink" | | 747 WOULD BE MORE FUN OR MAYBE AN F16 OR 2 Steve G/Gang: More fun than what? Maybe I don't know what "fun" is, but I sure have enjoyed flying these little Kolb airplanes. ;-) Take care, john h DO NOT ARCHVIVE ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 09:28:43 AM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Kolb-List: Sport Pilot, EAA Experimenter, or Whatever It Is Called These Days --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" Morning Gang: A great article in the new mag I just got out of my mailbox on Steve Boetta and his Puddle Buster, Firefly on floats. Good on you Steve. It looks great!!! Also some info on alternate power for those that are so inclined. Still waiting for you pioneers to come up with a good replacement for my 912ULS that outperforms it and cost a quarter of what the 912ULS costs. If you do, I'll be the first in line with money in hand, if I can float a loan. Take care, john h titus, alabama DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 09:34:54 AM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Third Annual Kolb Flyin at Monument valley --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" issue, which we'll be distributing at EAA AirVenture Oshkosh 2005! | | Cheers, | Mary Jones Editor Rick N/Gang: This is great news! This particular copy of the magazine will get a lot of exposure to a lot of folks that do not normally subscribe or have an opportunity to see and read the magazine. Thanks for your untiring efforts in putting the article together. We all appreciate it. john h MKIII/912ULS titus, alabama ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 10:05:17 AM PST US From: pollus Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Third Annual Kolb Flyin at Monument valley --> Kolb-List message posted by: pollus Cool! Does anyone care to send a copy to Holland? Would be great! Pollus DNA Op 29-jun-2005, om 18:34 heeft John Hauck het volgende geschreven: > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" > > > | And, it's official ... this article will appear in the August > issue, which we'll be distributing at EAA AirVenture Oshkosh 2005! > Editor > > Rick N/Gang: > > This is great news! > > This particular copy of the magazine will get a lot of exposure to a > lot of folks that do not normally subscribe or have an opportunity to > see and read the magazine. > > Thanks for your untiring efforts in putting the article together. We > all appreciate it. > > john h > MKIII/912ULS > titus, alabama ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 10:26:18 AM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Third Annual Kolb Flyin at Monument valley --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" Pollus/Gang: If I don't come up with an extra issue of Sport Pilot and the Monument Valley article, I will scan the article in my copy and post it on the internet for you. john h DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 10:36:20 AM PST US From: "PATRICK LADD" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: young flyers --> Kolb-List message posted by: "PATRICK LADD" shortage of young people>> Hi Robert, seems to be the pattern everywhere. Long article in one of the flying mags this month about the problems of oldies who are not as sharp as they were but who tend to offset that through experience. There is so much on offer these days.Perhaps flying is for those who are geting on a bit. Quite apart from the fact that however much we like to kid ourselves flying is not cheap. Certainly when I wanted to take up gliding a launch cost about $1 plus soaring time. There was no way I could afford that. I had a house to buy, wife and 2 kids to support. I just went away and swam, snorkelled, and anything else that was cheap and consequently didn`t glide until I was in my 30`s. Even then the cost of powered flight was way beyond my means. Not until ultralights came along was it possible financially. Perhaps we shouldn`t get too worried that the young not flocking into flying. Get the young exec who`s kids have grown up, then he has the money and the time. Cheers Pat do not archive -- ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 10:44:09 AM PST US From: "PATRICK LADD" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Third Annual Kolb Flyin at Monument valley --> Kolb-List message posted by: "PATRICK LADD" EAA doesn't write anything by themselves except when they are, shall we say paid?>> Hi there, same in the UK. I have had a few flying articles published. Never been paid a penny. I think if you want to get the story out you do the work, bite the bullet and give it away. Of course if you have something extraordinary like the Haucks travels and his pictures then a publisher might bite. Of course if Hauck would self publish then we would all buy a copy. Meanwhile, back to the novel Cheers Pat do not archive -- ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 11:03:36 AM PST US From: "PATRICK LADD" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Third Annual Kolb Flyin at Monument valley --> Kolb-List message posted by: "PATRICK LADD" And, it's official ... this article will appear in the August issue, which we'll be distributing at EAA AirVenture Oshkosh 2005!>> Hi all, anyone able to mail a copy to the UK. Happy to reciprocate. Pat do not archive| -- ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 11:20:23 AM PST US From: "PATRICK LADD" Subject: Kolb-List: millions --> Kolb-List message posted by: "PATRICK LADD" Hang on chaps, I have just had this post from Lagos telling me that I can have 14 million dollars which is languishing in this bank because the millionare Shell Executive it belonged to has been killed in an air crash. Just wait until I get that sorted and I will be at Oskosh. You will recognise me in the 747 with the all female crew. Not one over 24. Aaaarggghhh! Pat do not archive ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 11:30:00 AM PST US From: robert bean Subject: Re: Kolb-List: millions --> Kolb-List message posted by: robert bean Pat, you are too late, I just finished sending him ALL my banking info and account numbers. -BB , waiting in anticipation do not archive On 29, Jun 2005, at 2:13 PM, PATRICK LADD wrote: > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "PATRICK LADD" > > > Hang on chaps, > I have just had this post from Lagos telling me that I can have 14 > million dollars which is languishing in this bank because the > millionare Shell Executive it belonged to has been killed in an air > crash. > > Just wait until I get that sorted and I will be at Oskosh. You will > recognise me in the 747 with the all female crew. Not one over 24. > > Aaaarggghhh! > > Pat > > do not archive > > ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 11:48:30 AM PST US From: N27SB@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Sport Pilot, EAA Experimenter, or Whatever It Is Called These ... --> Kolb-List message posted by: N27SB@aol.com In a message dated 6/29/2005 12:29:28 PM Eastern Standard Time, jhauck@elmore.rr.com writes: > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" > > Morning Gang: > > A great article in the new mag I just got out of my mailbox on Steve > Boetta and his Puddle Buster, Firefly on floats. > > Good on you Steve. It looks great!!! > > Thanks John, I have not seen it yet. I was asked at SnF to fly for some photos. As you know the wind was wailing. A few weeks later with good weather I went to the lake with two of my friends and without any preparation we took some photos. Little did I know thast Jim Odom was a great action photographer. I sent the photos to Mary Jones in case she wanted to try again. She liked them so much she wrote a story around them. I think that if you submit a good story with high density photos they will use it. Steve Boetto FireFly #007 (Fondly known as the "Puddle Buster") ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 12:01:26 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Sport Pilot, EAA Experimenter, or Whatever It Is Called These ... --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" | with high density photos they will use it. | | Steve Boetto Steve B/Gang: Absolutely right. Any of the aviation mags will be more than happy for anyone to write an article of their flying adventures along with high density photos. Your reward will be the satisfaction you have shared your experience with the aviation community. This is the standard answer I get when asked if the publisher could possibly help me offset some to the expenses involved in the project. ;-) Let's not get started on the possibility of writing of adventures at this time. I, for one, have absolutely no time to spend typing and organizing photos. My little world is having a severe time drought! john h MKIII/912ULS DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 12:09:56 PM PST US From: N27SB@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Sport Pilot, EAA Experimenter, or Whatever It Is Called These ... --> Kolb-List message posted by: N27SB@aol.com In a message dated 6/29/2005 3:02:24 PM Eastern Standard Time, jhauck@elmore.rr.com writes: > My little world is having a severe time drought! > > john h > MKIII/912ULS > Sorry to hear that. We have had 22" of rain so far this month alone. Or did you mean Time Drought as in no time.:-) steve ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 12:22:25 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Spring Cleaning From: Dwight.Kottke@hti.htch.com 02:21:06 PM, Serialize complete at 06/29/2005 02:21:06 PM, Itemize by SMTP Server on HUDOMGW1/HTI(Release 6.5.4|March 27, 2005) at 06/29/2005 02:21:34 PM, Serialize by Router on HUDOMGW1/HTI(Release 6.5.4|March 27, 2005) at 06/29/2005 02:21:38 PM, Serialize complete at 06/29/2005 02:21:38 PM --> Kolb-List message posted by: Dwight.Kottke@hti.htch.com Steve, I am the guy from Minnesota that replied earlier about buying your BRS. Please contact me off list so we can make arrangements. e-mail: dwight.kottke@hti.htch.com work phone: 320-587-1464 home phone: 320-562-2436 do not archive N27SB@aol.com Sent by: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com 06/21/2005 10:32 AM Please respond to kolb-list@matronics.com To kolb-list@matronics.com cc Subject Kolb-List: Spring Cleaning --> Kolb-List message posted by: N27SB@aol.com To All: I have a couple of items that I need to get rid of BRS 500# Softpack $800.00 I just finished my new hanger and I do not want to put his stuff in it. Steve Boetto FF #007 ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 01:06:32 PM PST US From: pollus Subject: Re: Kolb-List: millions --> Kolb-List message posted by: pollus Then you might benifit from some of the the 4 metric ton Viagra I get offered weekly.... Pollus DNA Op 29-jun-2005, om 20:13 heeft PATRICK LADD het volgende geschreven: > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "PATRICK LADD" > > > Hang on chaps, > I have just had this post from Lagos telling me that I can have 14 > million dollars which is languishing in this bank because the > millionare Shell Executive it belonged to has been killed in an air > crash. > > Just wait until I get that sorted and I will be at Oskosh. You will > recognise me in the 747 with the all female crew. Not one over 24. > > Aaaarggghhh! > > Pat > > do not archive > > ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 01:17:37 PM PST US From: Ron Subject: Re: Kolb-List: young flyers --> Kolb-List message posted by: Ron I second that observation, few young pilots here in Southern Arizona. My firm belief is that the FAA and the Liberals (lawyers, effeminates) have created such a hostile environment to aviation that there is no fun, and little freedom near the big metro areas anymore. Nowadays the anti terrorist paranoia creates an even greater anti aviation sentiment out there. In short between the FAA, the insurance industry, the lawyers and now Homeland Security ( another name for Gestapo ) its an amazing thing we can still fly. Do not archive ========================================= On Jun 29, 2005, at 6:11 AM, Kirk Smith wrote: > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kirk Smith" > > >> there is >> a shortage of young people. In the 1970s pilots in their 20s >> and 30s were buying old taildraggers, restoring and flying >> them. -lotsa ultralighters too. There may be pockets of activity >> elsewhere >> in the US but around here its dominated by grayhairs. >> -BB > > Now the kids in there 20s and 30s and younger have a plethora of other > vehicles of amusement ( 4 wheelers, dirtbikes, jetskis, etc.) and few > rules > to govern the usage of them compared to aircraft. There is a certain > irony > for me in all this as I recall the image of me pulling out on my > runway last > year to take off and as I look down the runway, there not 200 feet in > front of me is a kid on a dirt bike. He sees me and wheels around > tearing > off on 27 to get away. I finally catch up to him just as he exits the > end > of the runway. As I fly over him he hides in the treeline at the end. > He's > probably not old enough to hold a drivers license, doesn't care about > liability issues, insurance , etc. We're probably better off that > they > don't want to fly. > > Do not archive > > Have a great day! ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 01:45:40 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Kolb-List: Donald Mize MKIIIxtra Crash and Fatality --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" Hi Gang: A non-flying friend sent me the info on Donald Mize MKIIIx accident and fatality, in Dickson, TN. I do not think I knew this gentleman. Nor do I know if it was he who was killed. FAA Accident Summary did no say. Aircraft was registered in Jan 05, so is a relatively new airplane. Dickson, TN, is just WSW of Nashville. Take care, john h ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 01:58:39 PM PST US From: Mike Pierzina Subject: Kolb-List: Looking for lost info. --> Kolb-List message posted by: Mike Pierzina Hey Guys, After computer troubles and changing computers , I've lost 2 things that I was saving.... One was the Chilli Vest web site....(can't find it in the archives) and two , The web site that had the strong, duct tape that came in several different colors.... I think both these came from John Hauck.... Gotta Fly... Mike in MN do not archive My Web Site: http://www.geocities.com/planecrazzzy/Planecrazzzy.html Sometimes you just have to take the leap and build your wings on the way down... --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 02:52:34 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Looking for lost info. --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" http://www.sargentcycle.com/chillivest.htm http://www.thetapeworks.com/gaffer.htm The web site that had the strong, duct tape that came in several different colors.... | Mike: There you go. john h ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 02:53:30 PM PST US From: "flykolb" Subject: Kolb-List: 532 engine --> Kolb-List message posted by: "flykolb" Kolbers, I have a 532 dual carb with point ignition. Any comments on going with the CDI ignition from Airscrew? Also, I'm thinking about going with a 618. Any comments? Jim Mark III Charlotte, NC ________________________________ Message 37 ____________________________________ Time: 03:07:45 PM PST US From: Robert Laird Subject: Kolb-List: EDES --> Kolb-List message posted by: Robert Laird This isn't a troll.. I genuinely would like you builders to address this issue... NOWHERE does the FAA define what the phrase "engine driven electrical system" (EDES) means. I have encountered DARs that will allow an alternator, a battery, electronic ignition, but if the plane doesn't have a starter, they'll claim it doesn't have an "engine-driven electrical system" (EDES). Another DAR won't allow electronic ignition, but will allow points ignition. Others say the engine must have a generator, not an alternator, for it not to be an EDES. And yet another will say a wind-driven generator is allowed to power the electrical system, but if the engine has an alternator or generator, then it isn't allowed. Speaking from a PURE TECHNICAL position, if an engine possesses either a generator or an alternator, and the power created by either one is used to fire the spark plugs, it is TRULY an EDES. Yet it seems even back in the 30's, with radials that had generators, they were certified as not having EDES because you had to hand-crank the engine to start it. But that's certainly not how the regs are written, but at the time that was the litmus test. Today (and probably for the last 70 years), virtually 100% of all aircraft engines -- including engines used on ultralights -- have EDES by the pure technical definition. Whether you hand-prop it, or use a battery-powered starter motor is TECHNICALLY irrelevant. But the DARs use wildly differing criteria for "certifying" the aircraft as EDES or not. It's chaos and FUD as only the government can create! So, when I asked an FAA examiner at the FSDO about the reg, his answer was, "oh, that only applies to factory-produced and certified aircraft." So, I have an off-the-cuff comment from one guy at the FSDO which contravene's all the DARs and the written regs. What's a poor pilot to believe? It's going to be very interesting to see what kind of uneven hand the DARs are going to apply to LSA-Experimentals, as to whether any given one is EDES or not. I think we'll see a wide variety of arbitrary decisions, which is not a good thing, not a good thing at all. Does anyone here have any good news with respect to this issue? -- Robert ________________________________ Message 38 ____________________________________ Time: 03:59:10 PM PST US From: "Wayne T. McCullough" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: 532 engine --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Wayne T. McCullough" While , I am building my Kolbra, I am still flying my 83 T-bird (Tierra 2). I am using a 532 engine with belt reduction drive and Steve Beatty's CDI ignition. I have had a total of 5 engine outs...(flying a heavy glider...WILL improve your landing skills ....IMMEDIATELY) ...All of the engine outs were found due to the ignition coil behind the flywheel breaking wires in the coil itself.......As president of our local EAA club......we unwound the winding and found out each time about 5 inches from the end .....it broke internally.....all coils were installed with blue threadlocker...... Just like turning it off.......thank God I was at altitude to have time to decide where to put it....... New Kolbra has 582 bluehead with E box.....and TWO ignition systems.........I cannot wait....wish I had the money to put a 912S on it........ Oh well.............. Wayne McCullough ----- Original Message ----- From: "flykolb" Subject: Kolb-List: 532 engine > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "flykolb" > > Kolbers, > > I have a 532 dual carb with point ignition. Any comments on going with the > CDI ignition from Airscrew? > > Also, I'm thinking about going with a 618. Any comments? > > Jim > Mark III > Charlotte, NC > > > ________________________________ Message 39 ____________________________________ Time: 05:01:38 PM PST US From: russ kinne Subject: Re: Kolb-List: millions --> Kolb-List message posted by: russ kinne Not one over 24? Hope that's not the IQ -- On Jun 29, 2005, at 2:13 PM, PATRICK LADD wrote: > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "PATRICK LADD" > > > Hang on chaps, > I have just had this post from Lagos telling me that I can have 14 > million dollars which is languishing in this bank because the > millionare Shell Executive it belonged to has been killed in an air > crash. > > Just wait until I get that sorted and I will be at Oskosh. You will > recognise me in the 747 with the all female crew. Not one over 24. > > Aaaarggghhh! > > Pat > > do not archive > > ________________________________ Message 40 ____________________________________ Time: 06:17:09 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Oshkosh 2005 From: Scott Trask (not processed: message from valid local sender) --> Kolb-List message posted by: Scott Trask on 6/28/05 10:12 PM, John Williamson at kolbrapilot2@comcast.net wrote: > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Williamson" > > Fellow Kolbers, > > Oshkosh is just 26 days away! > > Have you made your plans yet? You are all invited to join in the flight > along the lake. > > I, along with a few other Kolbs will gather at Sault Ste Marie Muni (KANJ), > MI on Saturday evening 23 July. Then we plan to fly along the south shore of > Lake Superior on Sunday 24 July and land at Ford Airport (KIMT), Iron > Mountain, MI for a late lunch. > > Our schedules vary before and after this small gathering but most will fly > into Oshkosh on Monday morning 25 July > > More details of my planned flight our on my website (address below). > > > John Williamson > Arlington, TX > > Kolb Kolbra, Rotax 912ULS, 837 hours > http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot > do not archive Hi in route OSK Guys Just a reminder that anyone is welcome to drop in here at my place which is about 6 miles north as the crow flies from KIMT. There's a place to hang your hat at my patch and food on the table. If anyone ends up landing at KIMT give me a call and I can come over and pick you up. If the weather is bad we got Bill Vincent and Aaron Gustafson to entertain us. Scott Trask MK111 ________________________________ Message 41 ____________________________________ Time: 06:30:11 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Donald Mize MKIIIxtra Crash and Fatality From: Todd Fredricks --> Kolb-List message posted by: Todd Fredricks Any word as to cause of the accident? Todd On 6/29/05 4:45 PM, "John Hauck" wrote: > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" > > Hi Gang: > > A non-flying friend sent me the info on Donald Mize MKIIIx accident > and fatality, in Dickson, TN. I do not think I knew this gentleman. > Nor do I know if it was he who was killed. FAA Accident Summary did > no say. Aircraft was registered in Jan 05, so is a relatively new > airplane. > > Dickson, TN, is just WSW of Nashville. > > Take care, > > john h > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 42 ____________________________________ Time: 07:28:07 PM PST US From: bryan green Subject: Re: Kolb-List: EDES --> Kolb-List message posted by: bryan green Robert Laird wrote: >--> Kolb-List message posted by: Robert Laird > > >This isn't a troll.. I genuinely would like you builders to address this >issue... > >NOWHERE does the FAA define what the phrase "engine driven electrical >system" (EDES) means. > > > > That is a great question Robert and one I have been thinking of myself. I have a small gell cell installed in my plane to run the EIS, radio and two small taxi lights. Since I will be trying to register my Firestar as an ELSA hopefully in about 3 more months I will be watching the replies to this one also. Bryan Green Elgin SC Firestar 447 BRS > > > > ________________________________ Message 43 ____________________________________ Time: 07:32:01 PM PST US From: Richard Pike Subject: Re: Kolb-List: 532 engine --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike I flew with a 532 and points for several years, and an Airscrew Performance CDI for several years. Several memorable occurrences - The 532 coils hook up different from the older 503's, 447's and 377's point systems. If you use a "typical" Rotax wiring diagram when hooking the point wires and ground wires to the coil, then you get the primary and secondary systems reversed and it makes a really weak spark. What is bad is that it will run like that for a while with new plugs, but quickly start to act up and misfire, typically at the worst possible times. Guess how I know this? Make sure you use a 532 wiring diagram to wire the 532 with the stock ignition instead of a "generic Rotax" ignition system wiring diagram. Bought a set of ignition points from Airstar Discount Sales the month before flying to Oshkosh. Bad move. They look like "real" Rotax points, but in just a few hours they had worn down and retarded the ignition to the point that my flight to Oshkosh turned into a real enduro of engine troubleshooting. On the other hand, maybe it's just as well the engine wasn't making full power, because the mag end crankshaft seal they sold me to go behind the magneto was failing by the time I got home, maybe full power would have blown it completely out... Anyway, I would never buy anything from them if I were you. The Airscrew Performance CDI ignition worked very well for several years, then developed a light and sporadic miss. After talking to Steve Beatty several times on the phone, he had me snip off the ground wire from the spark plug coil to ground and that solved the problem. Their CDI system is advertised as having a retard function that allows you to have a really slow idle, and it sort of works, but nobody actually idles a 532 at 800 -1400 rpm. But it does start very easily and idle very smoothly, it seemed to make a hair more power and run a hair smoother than the points system. I have since replaced it with a 90 series 582, it makes better power, much better torque, will happily turn a bigger prop, uses a tad more fuel, but it also uses regular fuel instead of premium, so you come out ahead. Performance on the MKIII is excellent, and if you are content to fly 65 mph at 5400 rpm, it will only burn 3.5 GPH. Charlotte is not that far away, come fly with me. Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) At 06:04 PM 6/29/2005 -0400, you wrote: >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "flykolb" > >Kolbers, > >I have a 532 dual carb with point ignition. Any comments on going with the >CDI ignition from Airscrew? > >Also, I'm thinking about going with a 618. Any comments? > >Jim >Mark III >Charlotte, NC > > ________________________________ Message 44 ____________________________________ Time: 08:02:29 PM PST US From: "David Paule" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Non Kolb Down! --> Kolb-List message posted by: "David Paule" Not so well known, at least in aviation, is that John Walton and Ian Farrier started a company called Corsair Marine, and which built a line of trimaran sailboats. So what? These boats are all composite, with carbon, foam and glass laminates. They weight much less than a monohull sailboat and have much larger wings, er, sails. As a result, they're considerably faster. They handle like a good sports car, and mine is considerably more fun than my FS II. The designer's web site is www.f-boat.com. Corsair's site is www.corsairmarine.com Wouldn't have happened except for Mr. Walton. Dave Paule Boulder, CO FS II (no name) Corsair F-27 "Second Chance" ________________________________ Message 45 ____________________________________ Time: 08:37:41 PM PST US From: "Richard & Martha Neilsen" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: EDES --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard & Martha Neilsen" Bob Where are you going with this? Are you trying to avoid a transponder? Are you just trying to get your airworthiness certificate? If you are trying to avoid a transponder just say that you don't have enough electrical power to SAFELY power a transponder. If your trying to get a airworthiness certificate. Tell them that the reason GA aircraft have two magnetos is that they were so unreliable they had to have two to keep them in the air. Point ignitions were an improvement but electronic ignitions are a order of magnitude better (more reliable) than point ignitions. And most Rotax engines have dual redundant ignition systems. Alternators are also much more reliable and lighter than generators that's why all new GA aircraft have switched to alternators. Any DAR that can't see that these are good things is stuck back in the 1940s. My $.02 worth Rick Neilsen Redrive VW powered MKIIIc ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Laird" Subject: Kolb-List: EDES > --> Kolb-List message posted by: Robert Laird > > > This isn't a troll.. I genuinely would like you builders to address this > issue... > > NOWHERE does the FAA define what the phrase "engine driven electrical > system" (EDES) means. > > I have encountered DARs that will allow an alternator, a battery, > electronic ignition, but if the plane doesn't have a starter, they'll > claim > it doesn't have an "engine-driven electrical system" (EDES). Another DAR > won't allow electronic ignition, but will allow points ignition. Others > say the engine must have a generator, not an alternator, for it not to be > an EDES. And yet another will say a wind-driven generator is allowed to > power the electrical system, but if the engine has an alternator or > generator, then it isn't allowed. > > Speaking from a PURE TECHNICAL position, if an engine possesses either a > generator or an alternator, and the power created by either one is used to > fire the spark plugs, it is TRULY an EDES. Yet it seems even back in the > 30's, with radials that had generators, they were certified as not having > EDES because you had to hand-crank the engine to start it. But that's > certainly not how the regs are written, but at the time that was the > litmus > test. > > Today (and probably for the last 70 years), virtually 100% of all aircraft > engines -- including engines used on ultralights -- have EDES by the pure > technical definition. Whether you hand-prop it, or use a battery-powered > starter motor is TECHNICALLY irrelevant. But the DARs use wildly > differing > criteria for "certifying" the aircraft as EDES or not. It's chaos and FUD > as only the government can create! > > So, when I asked an FAA examiner at the FSDO about the reg, his answer > was, > "oh, that only applies to factory-produced and certified aircraft." So, I > have an off-the-cuff comment from one guy at the FSDO which contravene's > all the DARs and the written regs. What's a poor pilot to believe? > > It's going to be very interesting to see what kind of uneven hand the DARs > are going to apply to LSA-Experimentals, as to whether any given one is > EDES or not. I think we'll see a wide variety of arbitrary decisions, > which is not a good thing, not a good thing at all. > > Does anyone here have any good news with respect to this issue? > > -- Robert > > > ________________________________ Message 46 ____________________________________ Time: 08:52:49 PM PST US From: Dickk9@AOL.com Subject: Kolb-List: Using an Electric starter fly-ul@yahoogroups.com --> Kolb-List message posted by: Dickk9@aol.com Hi to all on the list, Please consider this a heads up to everyone that has an electric starter on their PLANE, PPC, PPG or what ever you may be flying. We have been seeing an increasing number of expensive electronic equipment failures caused by high voltage spikes. This problem is easily solved by simply installing a 15 cent device called a diode that can be picked up at any Radio Shack. The coil that operates the starter solenoid of your electric start circuit will induce a high voltage spike into your electrical circuits if not properly protected with this diode. If you have a left right both type, switch the instructions tell you how to do the installation of the diode. However, there are so many variations of start switches being used that it doesn=E2=80=99t get mentioned in all of their instructions. It is real easy to do, just wire the diode at the start circuit solenoid activation terminal with the line on the diode toward that terminal on the solenoid and the other end of the diode to ground. How simple is that? Might save you $$$$$. PS: If you are using our Hot Box it had already been done for you. Safe Flying, Dick Kuntzleman, President Kuntzleman Electronics, Inc. ________________________________ Message 47 ____________________________________ Time: 09:42:46 PM PST US From: Ron Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Using an Electric starter --> Kolb-List message posted by: Ron Can you post a diagram? It seems simple but I don't exactly follow the logic. Thanks Ron do not archive ========================================== On Jun 29, 2005, at 8:51 PM, Dickk9@aol.com wrote: > --> Kolb-List message posted by: Dickk9@aol.com > > > Hi to all on the list, > Please consider this a heads up to everyone that has an electric > starter on > their PLANE, PPC, PPG or what ever you may be flying. We have been > seeing an > increasing number of expensive electronic equipment failures caused > by high > voltage spikes. This problem is easily solved by simply installing a > 15 cent > device called a diode that can be picked up at any Radio Shack. The > coil > that operates the starter solenoid of your electric start circuit > will induce a > high voltage spike into your electrical circuits if not properly > protected > with this diode. If you have a left right both type, switch the > instructions > tell you how to do the installation of the diode. However, there are > so many > variations of start switches being used that it doesn=E2=80=99t get > mentioned in all > of their instructions. > It is real easy to do, just wire the diode at the start circuit > solenoid > activation terminal with the line on the diode toward that terminal on > the > solenoid and the other end of the diode to ground. How simple is > that? Might save > you $$$$$. > PS: If you are using our Hot Box it had already been done for you. > Safe Flying, > Dick Kuntzleman, President > Kuntzleman Electronics, Inc. > > Have a great day!