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1. 02:36 AM - Re: Re: q (PATRICK LADD)
2. 03:04 AM - Re: Fuel Contamination (PATRICK LADD)
3. 03:18 AM - Re: q/Cross Country and Highways (PATRICK LADD)
4. 04:18 AM - Re: osh (Airgriff2@aol.com)
5. 05:04 AM - Re: Fuel contamination (topic modified) (Todd Fredricks)
6. 05:06 AM - Re: Rotax 503 & 447 Reliabllity (Jack & Louise Hart)
7. 05:29 AM - Re: Re: Twin Engine Firestar (Todd Fredricks)
8. 06:01 AM - Re: q/Cross Country and Highways (Richard Pike)
9. 06:10 AM - Original Firestar cage (Dwight.Kottke@hti.htch.com)
10. 06:20 AM - Re: [SPAM]Re: Re: Twin Engine Firestar (George Bass)
11. 07:18 AM - Re: Original Firestar cage (ElleryWeld@aol.com)
12. 07:20 AM - Re: Rotax 503 & 447 Reliabllity/Mixture and Prop Loading (John Hauck)
13. 07:35 AM - Re: Original Firestar cage (John Hauck)
14. 08:51 AM - Re: Re: Twin Engine Kolb (FlyColt45@aol.com)
15. 08:52 AM - Re: Original Firestar cage (woody)
16. 09:06 AM - Gaffers Tape (Wayne F.Wilson)
17. 09:19 AM - Re: Original Firestar cage (ElleryWeld@aol.com)
18. 09:22 AM - Re: Re: Twin Engine Kolb (John Hauck)
19. 10:21 AM - Re: Re: Twin Engine Kolb (WillUribe@aol.com)
20. 10:39 AM - Sad news (Ed Chmielewski)
21. 10:42 AM - Re: Re: Twin Engine Kolb (Eugene Zimmerman)
22. 12:51 PM - Re: Sad news (Ed Chmielewski)
23. 01:44 PM - KOLB-RELATED (russ kinne)
24. 04:54 PM - Re: tape/ "MY choice" (Mike Pierzina)
25. 05:03 PM - Airbags (Mike Pierzina)
26. 06:12 PM - Re: Twin Engine Firestar Counter Rotating Props (Kolbdriver)
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "PATRICK LADD" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
driver did when he saw a jet fighter on the ground barreling
towards him at 150 knots. BEEP, BEEEEEP,BEEEEEEEEEEEP!!!>>
Hi all.
Reminds me of the US Senator who , many years ago, was on a flight in a
Dakota which developed engine trouble. The pilot decided to put it down on a
disused airfield but was on finals when a tractor and trailer drove onto the
field right in front of them and proceeded up the runway.
Luckily the pilot managed to land short and get the plane stopped before he
turned the whole shebang into mincemeat.
The senator subsequently tried to introduce legislation that all aircraft
should be fitted with a warning horn!!!!!
Cheers
Pat
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Contamination |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "PATRICK LADD" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
What measures do you take to reduce fuel contamination in the
lines?
| Filters?>>
Hi all,
I can`t remember if I have mentioned this before but `old fuel` can also
cause problems.
Trying to use 2 stroke mixture which I had stored for some time produced
zilch from the engine room.
Complete change of fuel did the trick. A flying mate who worked in the
petroleum industry says it is caused by the additives put in petrol
nowadays.
Cheers
Pat
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| Subject: | Re: q/Cross Country and Highways |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "PATRICK LADD" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
I have been to Eastern Turkey seven times climbing Mt Ararat looking for
Noah's Ark. I have located it's resting place on the glacier at 16,000 ft.
I'm
now too old, but a scientific team is even this summer ...>>
Hi ,
I think that is fascinating. Can you give me more details off list?
Pat
pj.ladd@btinternet.com
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Airgriff2@aol.com
>
> >> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "woody" <duesouth@govital.net>
>>
>>
>> I have always used the camp grounds across the road from the
>> ultralight
>> barn. Good prices and easy to sneak into the EAA showers.
>>
>>
>> >
>> > I plan to be at OSK again this year, in the campground area. Anyone
>> else
>> going?
>> >
>>
>
Yes, I will bee there for the week and hope to run into the "kolb Gang".
I,ve been to S&F 10 times and this is 1st for Oshkosh. Coming with 3 others in
a
motorhome and camping 30 miles away. See you there. I met you Woody at the TNK
gathering 2 yrs ago.
Fly safe
Bob Griffin
Albany NY
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel contamination (topic modified) |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Todd Fredricks <flyingfox@copper.net>
I am going to archive this and do just that when the time comes.
Thanks,
Todd
On 7/10/05 10:56 PM, "Richard Pike" <richard@bcchapel.org> wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org>
>
> There are no plans. What you saw on the web page is what happened. I built
> a disposable mold and laid the bottom half of the tank up in it. Then I
> sawed it off all around the top edges even with where the top of the wing
> would line up and attached a top to it.
>
> If you are serious about building one, give me a call, I'll talk you
> through it - email me first, we are on vacation this week, I don't plan to
> be home as much as usual.
>
> Richard Pike
> MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
> do not archive
>
> At 07:52 PM 7/10/05 -0400, you wrote:
>
>> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Todd Fredricks <flyingfox@copper.net>
>>
>> I was surfing this just last night. How do I go about getting your plans?
>>
>> Todd
>>
>>
>> On 7/10/05 6:19 PM, "Richard Pike" <richard@bcchapel.org> wrote:
>>
>>> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org>
>>>
>>> At 04:16 PM 7/10/05 -0400, you wrote:
>>>
>>>> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Todd Fredricks <flyingfox@copper.net>
>>>> <snip>
>>>> What measures do you take to reduce fuel contamination in the lines?
>>>> Filters?
>>>>
>>>> Todd
>>>
>>> A 12.5 main fuel tank in the gap seal area, under and in front of the
>>> engine that feeds into a 2.5 gallon hopper tank behind the passenger. The
>>> lowest point in the tank is where the fuel drain is located, 2.5 inches
>>> higher up from there is the actual fuel pickup, which due to the pointed
>>> bottom of the fuel tank gives me about .5 pint of unusable fuel. The fuel
>>> pickup has a very large nylon finger strainer on it. I need to get almost a
>>> half pint of water into the system before it will make it's way to the fuel
>>> pickup.
>>>
>>> Details here:
>>> http://www.bcchapel.org/pages/0003/pg1.htm
>>>
>>> Richard Pike
>>> MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax 503 & 447 Reliabllity |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Jack & Louise Hart <jbhart@ldd.net>
At 04:11 PM 7/10/05 -1000, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "David L. Bigelow" <dlbigelow@verizon.net>
>
>A "get home" hint - if you see an abnormally high EGT at cruise, don't reduce
power. Add enough power to get into the main jet range. Slowly open the fuel
enrichment lever (starting circuit) to add additional fuel to the mixture. This
does work, but can flood the engine if you are overly enthusiastic with the
lever. I've tried it at altitude over the runway, and it will reduce the EGT.
>
Dave,
This will work IF there is no problem with the fuel delivery system up to
the carburetor. It is better to use the fuel enrichment lever first to see
if you can lower the EGT. If the EGT does not drop, it indicates fuel
starvation, and advancing the throttle will not help. The only way out of
this situation is to reduce the throttle opening to get back into a safe EGT
range, get on the ground and check for plugged fuel filter or line and may
be rebuild or replace the pump.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Jackson, MO
Jack & Louise Hart
jbhart@ldd.net
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| Subject: | Re: Twin Engine Firestar |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Todd Fredricks <flyingfox@copper.net>
I would think realistically that a multi-configuration, and I agree with you
that although aesthetically appealing the counter-rotating props on a single
shaft are not the best from an engineering standpoint if simplicity and
reliability are the end point. Even as a non-engineer I know that.
A dual 912 application would require a new airframe to make sense I would
think. What is appealing about that to me from a Kolb standpoint is that I
havespent many years looking at various construction methods and in my
opinion Kolb has always been at the forefront with its construction. That
combined with the styling of the aircraft make it an appealing pipedream to
think of a Kolb Twin perhaps a bit larger in planform but Kolb in styling
nevertheless.
Once I get the Mark III working in the shop (as soon as the brother in law
gets all of his household articles moved into his new house and my wife gets
her remodel done) I will start looking at how to increase the size of the
Mark III.
From my perspective the essential cockpit dimensions of the Mark IIIX as it
stands are ideal especially as a side-by-side center stick configuration.
Lengthen the cage by another 2 feet or so forward and the tail by a foot or
two aft. A few feet to the wing span and a larger tail and man, that would
be super.
But here I am again trying to redesign success so I will stop at that and
pull it off the shelf after a few hundred hours of flying under a single
912.
Todd
On 7/10/05 10:32 PM, "David L. Bigelow" <dlbigelow@verizon.net> wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "David L. Bigelow" <dlbigelow@verizon.net>
>
> Vince,
>
> The problem with a single shaft prop is prop pitch. If you optimize the pitch
> for a single engine, it will not be efficient when both engines are running.
> You could make it work with an in-flight adjustible prop, but resetting the
> pitch after an engine failure adds a lot of work to what is already a tight
> situation.
>
> The nicest solution from an engineering standpoint is to have each engine
> drive counter rotating shafts and props - one shaft inside of the other. See
> Dennis Souder's recent post. The Para Plane, one of the first powered
> parachutes used this method with two small Solo engines. John Pitre and I
> borrowed the installation and did thrust tests with both engines, front engine
> only, and back engine only to see how the counter rotating props affected one
> another. There was very little interaction.
>
> I did a set of basic engineering drawings of a pair of Rotax 503's
> installation to go on John's Twin Star on floats, but we didn't ever get
> around to building it. It would have been very heavy. A single 912 is a
> better solution.
>
> Dave Bigelow
> Firestar 2, 503 DCDI
> Kamuela, HI
>
> "Dave,
>
> How about having a dual engine with a single prop? Could you mount the pair
> of engines so they each or both could drive the engine through a mechanism,
> such as a centrifugal clutch"
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: q/Cross Country and Highways |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org>
And when you send him the details, would you mind sending a copy to me?
Thanks
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P
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At 11:13 AM 7/11/05 +0100, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "PATRICK LADD" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
>
>I have been to Eastern Turkey seven times climbing Mt Ararat looking for
>Noah's Ark. I have located it's resting place on the glacier at 16,000 ft.
>I'm
>now too old, but a scientific team is even this summer ...>>
>
>Hi ,
>I think that is fascinating. Can you give me more details off list?
>
>Pat
>pj.ladd@btinternet.com
>do not archive
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| Subject: | Original Firestar cage |
08:09:20 AM,
Serialize complete at 07/11/2005 08:09:20 AM,
Itemize by SMTP Server on HUDOMGW1/HTI(Release 6.5.4|March 27, 2005) at
07/11/2005
08:09:55 AM,
Serialize by Router on HUDOMGW1/HTI(Release 6.5.4|March 27, 2005) at 07/11/2005
08:09:56 AM,
Serialize complete at 07/11/2005 08:09:56 AM
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Dwight.Kottke@hti.htch.com
In the process of repairing my bent up gear leg sockets. I noticed that I
have a two piece fuselage. The rear section which is about 3 feet long
and supports the engine, gas tank, tube, and the wings. The front section
which is about 4 feet long supports the butt of pilot. The two are
attached at four points with a male and female tube connection and are
bolted together. I have several observations on this setup.
1. The length of 7 feet may have been to long to ship as a kit so Kolb
designed it in two pieces?????
2. I am thinking of permanently welding the two sections together. Good
idea or bad idea????
Can any of you Firestar pilots or Dennis S. shed some light on this topic?
Thanks
Dwight Kottke
The Flying Farmer
Driving to Oshkosh the 29th & 30th
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| Subject: | Re: Twin Engine Firestar |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "George Bass" <gtb@commspeed.net>
Todd;
I've been racking my brain, trying to find a
couple of links that I thought would be more
appropriate to the design that you've been
dreaming about. I knew that I had seen a
couple planes that came pretty close to the
Kolb in general appearance, but had two
engines. 1 or 2 even had them mounted
in the pusher configuration.
I hope this information is helpful:
http://www.spectrumaircraft.com/aircraft.shtml
http://www.spectrumaircraft.com/g_a36vulcan.shtml
I think you will be able to see the similarity very
quickly.
George Bass
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| Subject: | Re: Original Firestar cage |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: ElleryWeld@aol.com
I have just replaced the Landing Gear sockets in my original firestar and I
moved the top of the sockest Back 2 inches to move my wheels forward a bit to
help the nose over problem on sticky snow and I also went to the bigger
diameter gear leg to
Still in the process Of the Rebuild and coming good
anyone on the list have a good deal on a good composit Prop that will fit a
447 2:58 Looking for any deals on Wheels and Hydrolic brakes
Do not Archive
Ellery In Maine
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax 503 & 447 Reliabllity/Mixture and Prop Loading |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
| Lack of oxygen (too lean) will heat up a two stroke engine rapidly
and cause it to seize.
Dave B/All:
I waited for others to catch the above.
On this side of the pond mixture works just the opposite. "Lack of
fuel (too lean) raises EGT."
And too much fuel lowers EGT.
Of signifinance is the unusual two characteristic of prop loading and
EGT. In the beginning, when I started flying two strokes, 1984, I
never read or heard of this phenomonen. Actually discovered it while
flying my Cuyuna powered Ultrastar. During cruise flight, without
changing throttle setting, I could push the nose over and watch the
EGT rise as airspeed increased. On the contrary, pull the stick back,
watch the EGT drop as airspeed decreases. Bingo, the light bulb
turned on. I realized that prop loading was a significant part of
controlling two stroke EGT.
Many two stroke engines were seized since that time based on incorrect
diagnosis of improper EGT and improper prop loading. Engines come
from the manufacturer set up to operate in normal conditions, which is
pretty wide. However, the first thing folks wanted to do to correct
the EGT problem was change main jet size, change needle position,
change spark plug heat range. They, for the most part, ended up
chasing their tails and seizing two stroke engines, sometimes at the
cost of breaking their airplanes and themselves.
In flight adjustable props and mixture controls only add to the
possibility of having EGT problems. I bought one of Mike Stratman's
in flight mixture controls for my Cuyuna and Mikuni carb. The idea
was good, but operator problems soon got me into trouble and I
experienced my first engine out on take off from Tuskeege, Alabama's,
Moton Airfield. Somehow, between my landing there, refuel, and
takeoff, the mixture control knob got rotated a turn or two rich. On
takeoff at full throttle the engine ran great until it came up to full
operating temp, then suddenly shut down at about 100 feet AGL. No
spitting, no sputtering, no tapering off of power. Shut down just
like hitting the mag switch. Soon after, I removed the in flight
adjustable main jet mixture control.
john h
Mark III/912ULS
Titus, Alabama
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| Subject: | Re: Original Firestar cage |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Good
| idea or bad idea????
Dwight/Gang:
We welded my original FS cage rather than bolt the two pieces
together. Felt better that way, although there are/were many out
there flying safely.
john h
MKIII/912ULS
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| Subject: | Re: Twin Engine Kolb |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: FlyColt45@aol.com
Geeze,
I hate to play in on this discussion because greater minds than mine
understand what it would take to get a Kolb - type twin off of print and on gear.
Butttttt,
I get a chance to talk with Homer about planes, tractors, poll barns and his
"retirement". (If you know him - you know that he just never retired - just
moves on to different projects). As we were riding around his property in
his golf cart a little while ago, he was telling me about the multi- engined
plane that he envisioned and was gonna do - sometime. While only still in
his mind, it seemed like it wasn't far from daily thoughts. From what he was
telling me, it wouldn't be a MKIV type (heavy aircraft) & may not be a twin.
I probably shouldn't go further than that because; as he was telling me
about the intricacies of such a project (that by the way - seemed matter of fact
stuff to him : ), my eyes glazed over. But who knows, someone out there
make brake the code; have enough time, money and other resources to experiment,
and maybe we (light aircraft jockey's) will have even more choices of what
we fly.
Homer may have mentioned this to others who visit him - so it's no big news.
Just nice to know that the greater minds are always thinking.
Jim
PA/FL
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| Subject: | Re: Original Firestar cage |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "woody" <duesouth@govital.net>
My Twinstar is the same way. It is great when you are building as it takes
up less room. If and when you bang up your aircraft you can simply unbolt
this portion for repairs or replacement. Mine has been bolted together for
10 years now and thay haven't come apart yet.
The two are
> attached at four points with a male and female tube connection and are
> bolted together. I have several observations on this setup.
>
> 1. The length of 7 feet may have been to long to ship as a kit so Kolb
> designed it in two pieces?????
>
> 2. I am thinking of permanently welding the two sections together. Good
> idea or bad idea????
>
> Can any of you Firestar pilots or Dennis S. shed some light on this topic?
>
>
> Thanks
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Wayne F.Wilson" <wfwilson1@yahoo.ca>
Woody is correct I have been to his place and seen his
planes. It does work and you already have the
material.
Regards
Wayne F Wilson
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| Subject: | Re: Original Firestar cage |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: ElleryWeld@aol.com
I would weld it thats the way mine is but if you need to change anything in
it at a later date that could come in handy
Do Not Archive Ellery Rebuilding original firestar
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| Subject: | Re: Twin Engine Kolb |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
| I get a chance to talk with Homer about planes, | Jim
Jim/Gents/and Ladies:
I have some pencil sketches of Homer's first hang glider and also his
idea of a 4, 6, or 8 engine very light airplane. The sketches were
done on a yellow lined legal pad in my 5th wheel at Lakeland some
years ago. The engines will be mounted all over the airplane, e.g., a
couple on each side of the nose, same on the tail, maybe a couple two
or four on the wings. They will be pilot operated directional thrust,
fore and aft, to give the aircraft hover, extreme slow flight, and
normal flight characteristics. To me, way over my head, but seemed
like it was going to be a very busy airplane and pilot.
Homer Kolb's idea of flying is extremely slow, right on the tops of
the trees, in a small, light weight aircraft. A four or eight engine
(very small lightweight engines) would be ideal for him, placed on the
wings in a conventional manner.
I hope I still have those sketches. Amazing what a couple Diet Cokes
and a couple packages of hot dogs will do to get Homer sharing his
background in aviation.
Take care,
john h
Titus, Alabama
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| Subject: | Re: Twin Engine Kolb |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: WillUribe@aol.com
Greetings,
Here are some pictures of a twin engine sling shot
http://members.aol.com/firestartwo/twinkolb/
Regards,
Guillermo Uribe
El Paso, TX.
FireStar II N4GU
C-172 N2506U
http://home.elp.rr.com/airplane/
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ed Chmielewski" <edchmiel@mindspring.com>
Not Kolb-related but important. From Aero-news.net:
Aero-News Alert: Jimmy Franklin, Bobby Younkin Lost In Moose Jaw MidAir
Horrible Weekend For Airshows
ANN REALTIME UPDATE
0029, 07.11.05: This is one of those stories I never
thought I'd have to do... but a tragic and fiery midair collision
during a presentation of the "Masters of Disaster" airshow routine
has resulted in two fatalities and a reported injury after the
three airplanes ran afoul of each other. The incident occurred at
1620, local time.
It has now been confirmed that both Jimmy Franklin, a truly
legendary airshow performer, and Bobby Younkin, a greatly
accomplished flyer, have been lost in this staggeringly
catastrophic crash. Both Younkin's and Franklin's death has now
been confirmed in national media reports. The airshow was
canceled immediately after the accident.
Both Younkin's 'Samson' and Franklin's Jet Waco biplanes
(first pic, below) were brought down and destroyed while a third,
Jim Leroy's 'Bulldog', apparently got down to the ground under
some kind of control. Unfortunately, Franklin's son Kyle, who had
just finished a wing-walking performance with his dad, was
announcing the act when the midair occurred.
According to published reports, Bobby Younkin was scheduled to
be flying "Samson" (second photo, shown below) while we have
determined that it was Franklin's Waco that went down. The
third, surviving, airplane was as Jim LeRoy's Bulldog (third photo,
below).
The accident took place at this year's 2005 Saskatchewan
Centennial Airshow, hosted by the Canadian Force's 15 Wing at Moose
Jaw. The show was to have included performances by a number of
military birds and a Snowbirds flight demonstration... which was to
also have honored the memory of Snowbird pilot Capt. Miles Selby,
lost in a training accident last year.
The Airshow site released a statement a short ago while that
reported, "At approximately 16:20, the Air Show was brought to
an unexpected halt after two pilots from Masters Of Disaster were
killed in a collision mid-flight. The planes were Samson and Waco.
The pilots names will be released once the next of kin have been
informed. Bulldog was able to make a safe landing and emergency
crews responded immediately. The accident is currently under
investigation. Our thoughts and prayers are with the families and
friends of those involved."
Additional: Delaware MidAir Kills
Two Practicing Formation
In a related story, a six-ship formation flight, conducted as
practice for a Delaware airshow has apparently resulted in yet
another midair, bringing down two experimental-amateur built
aircraft. One pilot is now confirmed dead and has been identified
as Jay Blume, 39, of Berwyn, Pennsylvania, flying a Rutan-designed
Long-Ez. The other aircraft, a Van's RV-8, is registered to Ralph
D. Morgan of Rehoboth Beach, Delaware. His condition or involvement
in the actual accident has not yet been determined. All six
aircraft were members of a local formation flying team, known as
the 'Vultures.'
ANN will have more info for you as soon as possible.
[ANN Thanks our good buddy, Fly-Low's Ralph McCormick, for the
airshow pic of Franklin and Leroy, above.]
FMI: www.saskatchewanairshow.com,
www.xteamairshows.com,
www.franklinairshow.com, www.younkinair.com, www.bulldogairshows.com,
For the WHOLE story, go to http://www.aero-news.net/news/sport.cfm?ContentBlockIDac06a205-0f48-432c-86fc-a94cae23e638&Dynamic1
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| Subject: | Re: Twin Engine Kolb |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Eugene Zimmerman <eugenezimmerman@dejazzd.com>
On Jul 11, 2005, at 11:50 AM, FlyColt45@aol.com wrote:
> Homer may have mentioned this to others who visit him - so it's no
> big news.
> Just nice to know that the greater minds are always thinking.
Yep, he did.
You'd all be surprised at the creative multi engine plane Homer has in
mind.
clue,
think super STOL,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, ultralight harrier!
and he's got a plan.
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ed Chmielewski" <edchmiel@mindspring.com>
This was terrible news. I saw Jim Franklin just last week at the Battle
Creek airshow. A very sad day in aviation.
Ed in JXN
MkII/503
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From: "Ed Chmielewski" <edchmiel@mindspring.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: Sad news
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ed Chmielewski"
> <edchmiel@mindspring.com>
>
> Not Kolb-related but important. From Aero-news.net:
>
> Aero-News Alert: Jimmy Franklin, Bobby Younkin Lost In Moose Jaw MidAir
> Horrible Weekend For Airshows
>
> ANN REALTIME UPDATE
> 0029, 07.11.05: This is one of those stories I never
> thought I'd have to do... but a tragic and fiery midair collision
> during a presentation of the "Masters of Disaster" airshow routine
> has resulted in two fatalities and a reported injury after the
> three airplanes ran afoul of each other. The incident occurred at
> 1620, local time.
>
> It has now been confirmed that both Jimmy Franklin, a truly
> legendary airshow performer, and Bobby Younkin, a greatly
> accomplished flyer, have been lost in this staggeringly
> catastrophic crash.
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: russ kinne <kinnepix@earthlink.net>
Terrible news from Moose Jaw; two fine and experienced pilots killed.
No real details yet but it seems everyone shaves the safety margins
quite a bit at air shows. Not the first tragedy, and sadly it won't be
the last
On safety issues, let me ask the List about a plate & some
"protection" under the seats of Kolbs? I'd feel happier with a steel or
aluminum plate and a big block of foam of some sort -- Temperfoam?
What?
I gather Labhart's crash was both forward and down; would it have done
any good there? We were always taught to try at least, to keep within
engine-out gliding distance of the field in the pattern and on
landings. And for a time at Pensacola I'm told the student pilot (in
Stearmans) could pull the power at altitude, at any time, without
warning, and the instructor had to make a suitable field. Or was
supposed to! -- didn't sound like a very good idea, In any case they
gave it up.
Would like to hear any comments
Russ Kinne
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| Subject: | Re: tape/ "MY choice" |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Mike Pierzina <planecrazzzy@yahoo.com>
Hey Wood man,
Maybe we just have two different views of "KISS" on this matter....
I didn't "Crimp" my hinge pins , I drilled a hole on each end and cotter pinned
them
and "I" think tapeing my gap seal will keep it VERY simple....It will apply easy,
it
will remove easy.....I prefer to build things so they can be taken apart...
And yes Wayne....I read the manual and it talks about doing it that way...
What's your point. There's alot of things that I didn't follow on the plans...
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Hey Big Lar, I've got some vinyl tape I'm trying....after all the paint is some
type
of vinyl...
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Wayne F.Wilson" <wfwilson1@yahoo.ca>Woody is
correct I have been to his place and seen hisplanes. It does work and you already
have thematerial.RegardsWayne F Wilson
My Web Site:
http://www.geocities.com/planecrazzzy/Planecrazzzy.html
Sometimes you just have to take the leap and build your wings on the way down...
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Mike Pierzina <planecrazzzy@yahoo.com>
Hey Russ,
You could probly set up two airbags , One in front and one under
you....and have a "PANIC" button
Gotta Fly...
Mike in MN
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My Web Site:
http://www.geocities.com/planecrazzzy/Planecrazzzy.html
Sometimes you just have to take the leap and build your wings on the way down...
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Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour
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| Subject: | Re: Twin Engine Firestar Counter Rotating Props |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kolbdriver" <kolbdriver@mlsharp.com>
Howard Hughes built a twin boom surveillance aircraft with counter rotating
props that almost killed him.. I believe it was designated XF-11?
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of George Bass
Subject: Re: [SPAM]Re: Kolb-List: Twin Engine Firestar
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "George Bass" <gtb@commspeed.net>
Todd;
You might try the link below and research this
aircraft for the inherant problems with such a
system as the counter-rotating propellors.
http://www.strange-mecha.com/aircraft/VTOL/USN-XV.htm
I remember others, but, this one and the famous
Russian aircraft used during the Cold War are
the two that come to mind. It was like a large
bomber-type, surveillance aircraft.
George
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