---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 07/12/05: 16 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:52 AM - Re: Labhart Crash (BKlebon@aol.com) 2. 04:57 AM - Re: KOLB-RELATED (PATRICK LADD) 3. 06:04 AM - Ultra Light Twins (Don Reese) 4. 06:32 AM - Re: Ultra Light Twins (John Hauck) 5. 06:44 AM - Re: KOLB-RELATED/Seat Reinforcement (John Hauck) 6. 12:03 PM - Re: Ultra Light Twins (bryan green) 7. 01:38 PM - Polyfiber Polytone Paint for sale (Mark Anliker) 8. 03:17 PM - Re: KOLB-RELATED/Seat Reinforcement (Dennis Souder) 9. 04:02 PM - Re: KOLB-RELATED/Seat Reinforcement (John Hauck) 10. 04:18 PM - Re: KOLB-RELATED/Seat Reinforcement (John Hauck) 11. 04:39 PM - Re: Re: tape/ "MY choice" (woody) 12. 05:04 PM - 2 kolbs (robert bean) 13. 07:57 PM - Re: q/Cross Country and Highways (Larry Bourne) 14. 07:59 PM - Jabi flight (woody) 15. 08:14 PM - Re: Jabi flight/Prop Pitch and EGT (John Hauck) 16. 10:04 PM - Re: Ultra Light Twins (David L. Bigelow) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:52:29 AM PST US From: BKlebon@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Labhart Crash --> Kolb-List message posted by: BKlebon@aol.com Several years ago I purchased a Mr.Funnel through CPS (California Power Systens). Iuse it to filter the fuel as I fill the Firestars tank. Since I have been using this funnel, the Purolator filter (with the see-through glass body) has remained absolutely clean. There has been no sediment in the fuel tank. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:57:21 AM PST US From: "PATRICK LADD" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: KOLB-RELATED --> Kolb-List message posted by: "PATRICK LADD" I'd feel happier with a steel or aluminum plate and a big block of foam of some sort -- Temperfoam?>> Hi Russ, The authorities have made a block of foam mandatory on the Xtra`s being built here. Cheers Pat do not archive -- ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:04:27 AM PST US From: Don Reese Subject: Kolb-List: Ultra Light Twins --> Kolb-List message posted by: Don Reese Hey there, Kolb Listers:: Dale Kramer may not be in Homer's class, but his Lazair was a dandy on the butterfly side of slo&light vs fast&heavy side of the aircraft divide. Unsticking floats with twin 9 hp Rotax 185's was a challenge; how he did it with the earlier 5(??)hp Chrysler's is beyond me. Switching 'twixt conventional stick Series lll and overhead stick Series l was also a challenge, don't ask how I know that. A joy to fly with soaring hawks; had to be diligent about snow removal from those big wings. DAHIKT,either. Don Reese Hampstead, NH World's Slowest Powered Paraglider Student and Kolb Wannabe do not archive ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:32:08 AM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Ultra Light Twins --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" on | the butterfly side of | slo&light vs fast&heavy side of the aircraft divide. Morning Don/All: Had forgotten about the Lazair with its two little engines and direct drive piggy backed minature props. Also, didn't he use a clear mylar cover on the wings? There was a gentleman at Sun and Fun 1984, flying a four engine Lazair out of a small ditch of water in the ultralight area. Was barefooted, had his pants legs rolled up to his knees. Would take off and land in a matter of seconds. Round and round he went, having a ball. Last Sun and Fun was hard to recognize the ultralight area. Most of the old standby type ultralights were not there. CGS Hawk, Kolb, Phantom were the only ones I remember. The rest were expensive glass airplanes to fit the Sport Pilot category. john h (Still flying tube and fabric) MKIII/912ULS DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:44:47 AM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: KOLB-RELATED/Seat Reinforcement --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" | aluminum plate and a big block of foam of some sort -- Temperfoam?>> being | built here. | Cheers | | Pat Many years ago I learned a trick from the pilots that flew the JAARS Heliocouriers at Lakeland and OSH. One of the Helio pilots had stalled on short final, hitting hard, he was driven down through the 4130 pilots seat frame. Result was spinal injury and being paralyzed from the waist down. Their response to that was build a seat that was crash worthy. They "Z'd" the base instead of rigid mounting them. In addition, they rivet a sheet aluminum pan to the bottom of each seat to prevent the pilot and copilot from be driven down through the seat in event of a similar accident. When I built my MKIII I put rigid seats in it with sheet metal pans riveted to the frame under each seat. john h MKIII/912ULS ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 12:03:24 PM PST US From: bryan green Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Ultra Light Twins --> Kolb-List message posted by: bryan green Your right on that Don I have a series III I'm going to finish rebuilding after I get my Firestar back in the air. :~) Bryan Green Elgin SC Firestar 447 BRS Do not archive Don Reese wrote: >--> Kolb-List message posted by: Don Reese > >Hey there, Kolb Listers:: > >Dale Kramer may not be in Homer's class, but his Lazair was a dandy on >the butterfly side of >slo&light vs fast&heavy side of the aircraft divide. > > >Don Reese >Hampstead, NH >World's Slowest Powered Paraglider Student and Kolb Wannabe >do not archive > > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 01:38:55 PM PST US From: Mark Anliker Subject: Kolb-List: Polyfiber Polytone Paint for sale --> Kolb-List message posted by: Mark Anliker One gallon each of Bahama Blue and Pontiac Red. Just rec'd. Changed paint scheme. For sale in/near Illinois (can't ship via UPS). $50/gallon. Mark Anliker Sadorus, IL 217-898-4766 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 03:17:42 PM PST US From: "Dennis Souder" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: KOLB-RELATED/Seat Reinforcement --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dennis Souder" As I recall they also installed a steel coiled spring inside the "Z'ed tube to help keep it from collapsing. Dennis Their response to that was build a seat that was crash worthy. They "Z'd" the base instead of rigid mounting them. In addition, they rivet a sheet aluminum pan to the bottom of each seat to prevent the pilot and copilot from be driven down through the seat in event of a similar accident. When I built my MKIII I put rigid seats in it with sheet metal pans riveted to the frame under each seat. john h MKIII/912ULS ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 04:02:22 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: KOLB-RELATED/Seat Reinforcement --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" "Z'ed tube | to help keep it from collapsing. | | Dennis Dennis/Gang: Bart didn't tell me about that, but a darn good idea. I looked at their web site. They still have a Heliocourier in the Phillipines, but don't know how many. I was told many years ago that JAARS mechanics were already busy making parts from scratch that were not available anymore. Here are some photos of a couple airstrips in the Phillipines. One is 900 feet and the other is 660 feet. Both would drastically increase the pucker factor landing in a MKIII, not to mention a much larger, heavier aircraft like the Helio. Take care, john h MKIII/912ULS hauck's holler, alabama DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 04:18:35 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: KOLB-RELATED/Seat Reinforcement --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" is | 900 feet and the other is 660 feet. Both would drastically increase | the pucker factor landing in a MKIII, not to mention a much larger, | heavier aircraft like the Helio. http://www.jaars.org/aviation04/philippines.shtml | | Take care, | | john h | MKIII/912ULS | hauck's holler, alabama | | DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 04:39:51 PM PST US From: "woody" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: tape/ "MY choice" --> Kolb-List message posted by: "woody" Hey Mike . No offence. I just found that the book method was the best and the cheapest method. It can still be removed for repairs also. For those that know me they know I am more than willing to experiment and change things around (a lot). Plans are a suggestion not a law but they usually contains good information. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Pierzina" Subject: Kolb-List: Re: tape/ "MY choice" > --> Kolb-List message posted by: Mike Pierzina > > > Hey Wood man, > > Maybe we just have two different views of "KISS" on this matter.... > > I didn't "Crimp" my hinge pins , I drilled a hole on each end and cotter pinned them > > and "I" think tapeing my gap seal will keep it VERY simple....It will apply easy, it > > will remove easy.....I prefer to build things so they can be taken apart... > > And yes Wayne....I read the manual and it talks about doing it that way... > > What's your point. There's alot of things that I didn't follow on the plans... > > DO NOT ARCHIVE > > > Hey Big Lar, I've got some vinyl tape I'm trying....after all the paint is some type > > of vinyl... > > > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Wayne F.Wilson" Woody is correct I have been to his place and seen hisplanes. It does work and you already have thematerial.RegardsWayne F Wilson > > > My Web Site: > http://www.geocities.com/planecrazzzy/Planecrazzzy.html > > > Sometimes you just have to take the leap and build your wings on the way down... > > > -- > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 05:04:45 PM PST US From: robert bean Subject: Kolb-List: 2 kolbs --> Kolb-List message posted by: robert bean Bob Erb and his very nice FS and I and my MKIII met this morning at Geneseo airport (D52). 4700' grass, don't know what to do with all that runway. Still some leftover birds there from the weekend airshow (HAG) Warbird adventures out of FL were selling AT6 rides. -Hope they got that wing problem fixed. He was heading out to his boondocks camp which was out of my test radius but we joined up for a bit heading SW to compare our blazing performances. He with his 503 and me with the little suzuki will be a good cross country match. Bob, looking forward to an overnight at your facility when I can. -BB do not archive ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 07:57:05 PM PST US From: "Larry Bourne" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: q/Cross Country and Highways --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" And me. :-) Do not Archive. Larry Bourne Palm Springs, CA Building Kolb Mk III N78LB Vamoose www.gogittum.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Pike" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: q/Cross Country and Highways > --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike > > And when you send him the details, would you mind sending a copy to me? > Thanks > Richard Pike > MKIII N420P > do not archive > > At 11:13 AM 7/11/05 +0100, you wrote: > >>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "PATRICK LADD" >> >>I have been to Eastern Turkey seven times climbing Mt Ararat looking for >>Noah's Ark. I have located it's resting place on the glacier at 16,000 >>ft. >>I'm >>now too old, but a scientific team is even this summer ...>> >> >>Hi , >>I think that is fascinating. Can you give me more details off list? >> >>Pat >>pj.ladd@btinternet.com >>do not archive > > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 07:59:25 PM PST US From: "woody" Subject: Kolb-List: Jabi flight --> Kolb-List message posted by: "woody" Finally got around to flying my Jabi powered MK 3. I've been too busy flying other peoples Kolbs and I ignored my own. Very bumpy and windy today but it felt good to be up again. I did notice a couple problems. My Engine RPM does not seem to to get to it's full potential. It turns 2700 when I should be turning 3300. I still climb out quite briskly but it should be better with that extra 20% more RPM. Cruise around 70 at 2500. Any Jabi owners out there know what could be causing it? I am spinning a 58/44 prop that was installed on a Jabi Titan. Other problem is that one egt is in the normal range (1300) and the other is at 1410. On a dual carb engine I would play with the carbs but the single carb seems to indicate another problem. All measurements are taken on an EIS unit. Any ideas?? ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 08:14:15 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Jabi flight/Prop Pitch and EGT --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" It turns 2700 when I | should be turning 3300. I am spinning a 58/44 prop | that was installed on a Jabi Titan. | Other problem is that one egt is in the normal range (1300) and the other | is at 1410. Woody/Gang: Second paragraph is your answer. The engine was propped for a Titan. 58" diamter two blade wood prop ain't much prop for a MKIII. Need a prop with less pitch cause us MKIII guys are not nearly as clean as the Titan. Probably the difference in the sensors. That is why I don't have EGT on my 912 or 912S. Something else to worry about. The 912 series engines will let you know if they get too lean or too rich. Don't need a gauge to tell you. john h MKIII Titus, AL ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 10:04:12 PM PST US From: "David L. Bigelow" Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Ultra Light Twins --> Kolb-List message posted by: "David L. Bigelow" "--> Kolb-List message posted by: Don Reese Hey there, Kolb Listers:: Dale Kramer may not be in Homer's class, but his Lazair was a dandy on the butterfly side of slo&light vs fast&heavy side of the aircraft divide." The Lazair is one of the best true ultralights. I remember seeing one at Oshkosh in the early 80's do a loop. I don't remember if it would fly on one engine. I investigated building one, and decided not because of the lack of one man wing fold. It needed a crew to assemble (or a hanger). Viva La Kolb! Dave Bigelow FS2, 503 DIDC Kamuela, Hawaii