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1. 02:31 AM - Re: Quiet landings (PATRICK LADD)
2. 05:39 AM - Re: Quiet Landings/Practice Dead Stick (Todd Fredricks)
3. 06:05 AM - Challengers and Deadsticks (Todd Fredricks)
4. 06:13 AM - Re: Old thread- Trips (N27SB@aol.com)
5. 06:55 AM - Practice Dead Stick Landings (John Hauck)
6. 07:16 AM - Re: Long Sitting Rotax 582 (Richard Pike)
7. 09:02 AM - Re: Re: Fw: Quiet Landings (Dave & Eve Pelletier)
8. 09:02 AM - Re: Quiet Landings/Practice Dead Stick (Steve Kroll)
9. 09:05 AM - Re: M-IIIC Drivers in Iowa (PATRICK LADD)
10. 09:17 AM - Re:Practice Dead Stick Landings (Mike Pierzina)
11. 09:27 AM - Re: Quiet Landings/Practice Dead StickQuiet Landings/Practice Dead Stick (Steve Kroll)
12. 09:41 AM - Re: Re: Fw: Quiet Landings (ray anderson)
13. 10:10 AM - Re: Quiet landings/proper lubrication /larcneny (Herb Gayheart)
14. 10:27 AM - Re: Quiet Landings/Practice Dead Stick (John Hauck)
15. 10:37 AM - Slipping Kolbs (John Hauck)
16. 11:05 AM - Re: Quiet Landings/Practice Dead Stick (Steve Kroll)
17. 11:37 AM - Re: Quiet Landings/Practice Dead Stick (Steve Garvelink)
18. 11:45 AM - Gear legs (Vic Peters)
19. 12:31 PM - Re: M-IIIC Drivers in Iowa (woody)
20. 12:55 PM - Re: Gear legs (robert bean)
21. 01:31 PM - Gear legs (Vic Peters)
22. 01:58 PM - Re: M-IIIC Drivers in Iowa (Chuck Stonex)
23. 04:37 PM - Re: Gear legs (ElleryWeld@AOL.com)
24. 05:58 PM - Re: Quiet landings (jerb)
25. 06:12 PM - Ducati Wiring Issue (Beauford)
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| Subject: | Re: Quiet landings |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "PATRICK LADD" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
Dove for strip. Flaps would not do it so did away with flaps and just dove.
Landed on the last 1/3 of runway (2000' grass strip), no problem.>>
Hi Jim,
on that much runway if you hadn`t landed safely you probably shouldn`t be
allowed to fly at all.
If it had been a small field it would be a different story. NEVER dive at a
field. All that happens is that you arrive at your landing spot going too
fast and you will float forever. If it is a small field that probably means
going through the far hedge or smacking into a wall.
Cheers
Pat
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| Subject: | Re: Quiet Landings/Practice Dead Stick |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Todd Fredricks <flyingfox@copper.net>
If I might chime in. My two cents worth is I don't like shutting down good
engines, but the best option for those of us in that camp is sailplane
flying. In addition to the Army Aerobatics course I went out and got several
hours in sailplanes and that was the best deadstick experience I think you
can have and be safe. Pulling the spoilers in a sailplane can nicely
replicate the descent rate of a single engine airplane and from day one all
you think about is what will I do if the rope breaks on tow.
Seems like a reasonable alternative to killing a healthy engine. If nothing
else it is pretty cheap flying and will teach you a lot about handling quiet
flying machines.
Todd
On 7/22/05 1:54 PM, "Chuck Stonex" <cstonex@msn.com> wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Chuck Stonex" <cstonex@msn.com>
>
> I wonder how many pilots have died because they had a real engine out and no
> dead stick experiance? It does not matter if was over a salt flat or a
> mountain range, the emergency was the same and the results varied according
> to the pilots personal experiances. I'm a rookie pilot, I pray I know the
> correct procedures if my engine should fail. How many knew Jim Lee?? He died
> when the 912 on a Kolb he was flying failed because he did the wrong thing.
> As I understand it, he was preoccupied with restarting the engine and forgot
> to fly the plane. I know this because I am in the process of buying one of
> the planes (M-IIIC) he built and was told this by his co-builder yesterday.
> You cannot know too much about anything your doing. Just too little. If you
> asked a musician in New York how to get to Carnagy Hall, he would probably
> tell you "Practice, practice, practice".
> Chuck S
>
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
>
>
> srglink/All:
>
> Absolutely, cause that is where we are going to have our engine
> failures, every time. ;-)
>
> john h
> MKIII
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
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>
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| Subject: | Challengers and Deadsticks |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Todd Fredricks <flyingfox@copper.net>
All/
I have a tragic story to tell.
My fellow flight surgeon and colleague was very much into getting an
ultralight. He came in one day all satisfied that he had found the one. This
has been 4 years ago now. I told him flat out, because I had done all the
homework, read all the reports of tests to destruction in flight and read
about John H's long distance exploits, I said, Mike, if you are going to do
ultralights you need to buy a Kolb.
Nope, I have researched it and I am buying a Quad City Challenger.
I tried to convince him otherwise because I had seen Challengers and as a
solid airplane helicopter guy I just didn't like the way they were built,
especially the front end vulnerability of the pilots legs. Don't like
Quicksilvers either for the same reason.
Well he went out and got his Challenger and decided to do some engine out
practice and instead of going up to PKB or UNI or some airport with 5-6000
feet to work with he decides to shut the thing down on approach to one of
our many 2000 foot fields with 50 foot trees on both ends. Guess what? Yep!
Parts of Challenger in the trees. He got away with moderate injury. It
descended faster than I thought was all he could say to me.
He heads off to Iraq, comes back this February and in less than a month is
killed in his Grumman in a classic stall spin accident.
I guess the point I am trying to make is that E.P.s (emergency procedures)
like deadsticks are great to practice but a lot of people discussing this
topic are pretty high time pilots. I feel uncomfortably (whose comfortable
with an unexpected engine out) comfortable handling my airplane without a
turning fan, but I have 2000 hours of flying helicopters, Beech 1900s, cubs
and formalized aerobatic training and sailplane experience. To me, I have
been ingrained with pitch for best glide, fly the airplane, situational
awareness, winds, all that.
I will frequently depart PKB and get to mid downwind, pull the power to idle
and tell the tower I have a simulated engine out and land where ever and
they are very accommodating. I never pull that during big traffic pushes.
For low time pilots I think it really good to spend a lot of time at
altitude, say 3-5000 feet and practice slow flight, gliding flight and
really get to know the airplane before you start committing yourself fully.
And by all means do not kill engines at low altitude for the heck of it.
Even practicing deadsticks I would prefer to get to 4000 or so AGL, kill the
motor and fly it for a while to get it sorted out. I doubt I would ever want
to initiate at say 1000 or lower.
Just my thoughts.
On 11/15/99 8:54 AM, "Billie Futrell" <bill_joe@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Billie Futrell" <bill_joe@bellsouth.net>
>
> I would just like to add a little to what Woody has just said about a
> Challenger. I was going to buy a Challenger before I bought my Kolb. A
> friend of mine had a Challenger with the long wing so I flew with him for 3
> hrs.I won't to tell you that was all I wanted. The first hr I was chasing
> the thing all over the sky. You want to make a correction to the left, so
> you give it aileron and it goes more to the right and then to the left. The
> second hr I figured out that you had to fly with rudder, and a lot of that
> and follow up with aileron. The only problem was before the hr was up I had
> cramps it the calves of my legs so bad I could hardly use my the rudder
> peddles. The third hr was not any better and when I left the field that day
> I knew I did not want a Challenger.
> I'm glad I go a kolb.
>
> Bill Futrell MK111Xtra912
>
> Do not archive
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "woody" <duesouth@govital.net>
> To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: M-IIIC Drivers in Iowa
>
>
>> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "woody" <duesouth@govital.net>
>>
>> I told him that if something happened like getting unexpectedly airborn
>> don't panic just fly the plane. He was a pilot but it still took him 3
>> passes to figure out the right approach to land. No panic to get it back
>> down just kept flying untill he got things figured out.
>> Perhaps I am to used to Kolbs. Flying a Challenger was the most
>> frighteneing experience I had had in years. I was not prepared for the
> extra
>> rudder needed to stop a turn. These planes need rudder or it won't get out
>> of a turn, The extra stiff rudder pedals and lack of concern about rudders
>> in the Kolb had me circling for 10 minutes (felt like hours) trying to
>> figure out what to do next. Finally a hard kick to the rudders got some
>> movement and I straightened up. Quite frightening. I tried another
>> Challenger that day with the same result and need for rudder. Still could
>> not keep the nose from wandering around. I do understand the aircraft
>> exported to the UK have bigger rudders and may be less needy of rudder
>> input.
>> You're going to love the Kolb
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "PATRICK LADD" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
>> To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
>> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: M-IIIC Drivers in Iowa
>>
>>
>>> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "PATRICK LADD" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
>>>
>>> He didn't panic just remembered what I had told him>>
>>>
>>> Chuck,
>>> What did you tell him?. I am about to change from Challenger to Kolb and
>>> have not flown a tail dragger since I sold the Thruster many years ago.
>>> NB. The Challenger is not half as bad as this lot make out :-)
>>>
>>> Pat
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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| Subject: | Re: Old thread- Trips |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: N27SB@aol.com
In a message dated 7/22/2005 5:12:35 PM Eastern Standard Time,
DCulver701@AOL.com writes:
> Hi Steve, read your post on locating Lake Yale on your map. Our place is
> on
> the N.W. corner of the lake, just above a big Baptist retreat, off of Hy.
> 452.
> Its called Sunlake Estates,
Hi Dave, I will let you know what I find. I probably will change the subject
line if there is something of interest to the list. Otherwise I will send it
to you offline.
Steve
FF#007
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| Subject: | Practice Dead Stick Landings |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Hi Folks:
Rolled the old MKIII out late yesterday afternoon. Headed over to
Wetumpka Airport. After my initial landing on the paved strip, I took
off, climbed to 1,000 feet AGL, entered traffic for 36, the grass
strip. On down wind I pulled the power, let the engine cool a few
seconds, and hit the kill switch. I flew this one no flaps, normal
pattern to left base, and final. Soon as I was on the ground,
restarted, climbed back up to 1,000 AGL. Flew the pattern to
midfield, upwind, shut down, made a circling left 360 to 36, no flaps.
Restarted, climbed back up to 1,000 AGL, midfield up wind, shut down,
full flaps, touch down 36.
This probably took 10 minutes total time to shoot three dead stick
landings.
I might add that all radio calls were made as appropriate,
announcement that these were dead stick landings, and managed to keep
myself clear of other traffic in the area.
This was excellent training for me, a much needed refresher on how my
MKIII was going to fly dead stick. At 45 mph I was in a 500 FPM
decent. At 50 mph I was in a 1,000 FPM decent. That's good info to
know. That was in a clean configuration. I didn't check decent rates
with full flaps against airspeed, but next time I fly I will make it a
point to check that out also.
There is a lot of difference in performance between engine idling at
2,000 rpm, throttle to the stop, and dead stick. I can assure you,
you will not have time to sort out these kinds of things on your first
actual engine out if you have not practiced actual dead stick
landings.
Coming away from my short practice session last night, I feel much
more comfortable with myself and my airplane. I do not welcome an
actual engine out, but I am much better prepared to deal with the
situation now than prior to my little training period.
I was flying with 20 gal of fuel, which works out to about 120 lbs.
The old MKIII turns into a pretty good glider when the prop is
stopped. Even with full flaps and 50 mph, Miss P'fer did not want to
stop flying. She kept on floating in ground effect, on a very calm
evening, burning up a lot of airstrip. That is a lot of airstrip for
a Kolb, not compared to a "real" airplane.
I don't think there is any substitute for actually flying and training
in a Kolb airplane. King Airs and sail planes don't have much in
common with what I fly. Chopping the throttle, giving one's self a
practice engine out is not the same as shutting the engine down. You
only get one shot at an actual engine out. When my time comes again,
I want to be the best prepared a Kolb pilot can be. I want to be
ready.
And..........on top of all that, dead stick landings are a lot of fun.
Gives me a really good feeling to be able to put the old bird down in
the quiet mode.
Take care,
john h
MKIII, 912ULS (Still learning and a lot more to learn in order to
safely fly the Kolb)
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| Subject: | Re: Long Sitting Rotax 582 |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org>
Do a crankcase pressure test.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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At 11:01 PM 7/22/05 -0500, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kolbdriver" <kolbdriver@mlsharp.com>
>
>Folks,
>
>
>It looks like I'm going to stay put for a while, I've landed in North
>Central Oklahoma and need to get back to building. Big Lar and I started
>about the same time, and I need to get busy so I can beat him in the air.
>
>
>I have a 582 that has been sitting for approx 4 yrs. I've religiously kept
>an equal mixture of seafoam, marvel mystery oil, opti 2, amsoil and penzoil
>for 2cycle in the cyl and pulled the prop thru several times a week to keep
>things lubed up. There seems to be good compression and no feeling of any
>kind of binding.
>
>
>Other than the obvious, replacing fuel pump and thoroughly cleaning the
>carbs what should I be changing, cleaning etc. prior to start up.??
>
>It does have an oil injection system.
>
>
>Thanks,
>
>Mike (MK III C, she's still with me, lost 2 wives and 3 jobs in the
>process.)
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fw: Quiet Landings |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dave & Eve Pelletier" <pelletier@cableone.net>
I did some power off landings in my Firestar and they went beautifully.
When I got my MKIII, I set certain limits for myself and one of them was
that I would not take up a passenger until I had completed a minimum of six
power off landings. I did them but was surprised that the plane seemed to
want to "pancake" in. I increased my airspeed on subsequent landings but it
still landed hard, but not hard enough to bend the gear. I never did get
the really smooth landings that I got with the Firestar. Gotta go out and
do some more. I kind of think that maybe, because I'm kinda scared of
"balloning" with no power, I'm not coming up enough on the elevator. We'll
see. In any case, I agree with Jim that everyone ought to get the feel of
how the aircraft handles when the fan ain't turning.
AzDave
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----- Original Message -----
From: "JIM HEFNER" <hefner_jim@msn.com>
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| Subject: | Re: Quiet Landings/Practice Dead Stick |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Steve Kroll <muso2080@yahoo.com>
<<<<< Personally, I would rather take a chance of missing a 3,000 ft strip
and learn how to fly my MKIII engine out than do it your way.>>>>
John h/everybody
I flew yesterday in very gusty crosswind conditions and experienced another reason
for not practicing dead-stick with the power off. On the approach to land,
I had to be all over the throttle to keep the runway where I needed it (with
reference to the airplane). If I hadn't been able to change throttle settngs,
I would not have made it to the runway on several of the landings because
wind gusts and downdrafts upset my glidepath. I suppose you could choose not
to practice dead-stick on those kinds of days but you're not going to have that
choice when the real thing happens.
I guess my point is this: There is ALWAYS the unexpected to contend with....even
during practice. Why not practice with a live engine that will allow you to
recover in the event of the unexpected. In my opinion, the practice is just
as valuable with the power on because you know that if you do have to touch the
throttle, you've done something wrong and you can make an adjustment on your
next go round. You've still learned something and you didn't have to risk busting
your airplane (or your butt) to learn it.
Steve K
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| Subject: | Re: M-IIIC Drivers in Iowa |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "PATRICK LADD" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
I do understand the Challengers exported to the UK have bigger rudders and
may be less needy of rudder input>>
Hi ,
I don`t know about a larger rudder but we have an addition forward of the
fin, rather like the extension to the fin on the B17 which adds some yaw
stability.
I don`t understand this antipathy regards using the rudder, it is there to
balance the turn and counteract adverse yaw. Of course those unfortunates
who learned to fly power from day one have never learned about such things.
.
<< You're going to love the Kolb>>
Looking forward to it. Not long now????
Cheers
Pat
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| Subject: | Re:Practice Dead Stick Landings |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Mike Pierzina <planecrazzzy@yahoo.com>
Hi John/ Guys,
Well, it seems that it would be alittle SAFER practicing
dead stick landings with ELEC START....
If the engine is cooled down like you described.....you have a good chance of
RESTARTING if things were misjudged,
But if you need to hop out to restart it, your committed.
I'm taking tailwheel lessons in a Piper PA-12 now......My new instructor said
he wouldn't hold my Aeronca training against me...... actually, when I flew the
Piper he said he never touched the controls.....that'll jump ahead a few lessons.
After a few full stall landings he told me to do a soft field landing.....I came
in, flared , gave it a little throttle , but the first quarter of the throttle
is a little "touchy" I ended gaining too much alt.....so I gave it full throttle
and did a go around.
He reached up and gave me a "pat on the back" and told me that's another thing
there looking for"good judgement"
At least getting ready to fly my Firestar is FUN now....paperwork all done,
it's just endorsements now....
He's headed to Oshkosh , so I won't be flying for a couple of weeks. It's too
expensive for me to go this year...I've got a plane to get in the air....Tailwheel
endorsement, 5 hrs - "like" aircraft , insurance.....$2,000 should cover
it.
Gotta Fly...
Mike in MN FSII / N381PM
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SNIP>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Hi Folks:
Rolled the old MKIII out late yesterday afternoon. Headed over to
Wetumpka Airport. After my initial landing on the paved strip, I took
off, climbed to 1,000 feet AGL, entered traffic for 36, the grass
strip. On down wind I pulled the power, let the engine cool a few
seconds, and hit the kill switch. I flew this one no flaps, normal
pattern to left base, and final
My Web Site:
http://www.geocities.com/planecrazzzy/Planecrazzzy.html
Sometimes you just have to take the leap and build your wings on the way down...
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| Subject: | Re: Quiet Landings/Practice Dead StickQuiet Landings/Practice |
Dead Stick
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Steve Kroll <muso2080@yahoo.com>
Rick,
I don't know about the Mk3 or the FF or other Kolbs, but the Mk2 will easily triple
the sink rate in a slip. I don't have flaps but I do have full span, wide
chord ailerons. That probably is the difference?
Steve K
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| Subject: | Re: Fw: Quiet Landings |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: ray anderson <rsanoa@yahoo.com>
Dave I suggest that you practice wheel landings and preserve your gear. Not only
are they easy on the gear, they are easy to conrtol in cross winds, short strips
and most of all are fun. I've always been able to do O.K. three pointers
in the 8 tail dragers I've owned but probably wheeled them on 50 -75% of the
time. On a short strip you can keep just a little above normal approach speed,
aim it right at the edge of the strip, level out and put the wheels firmly
on the ground, keep the tail up in take off position, throttle back slowly, add
a little brake or just let the tail drop and you are there.
Ray - UltraStar
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Dave & Eve Pelletier <pelletier@cableone.net> wrote:
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dave & Eve Pelletier"
I did some power off landings in my Firestar and they went beautifully.
When I got my MKIII, I set certain limits for myself and one of them was
that I would not take up a passenger until I had completed a minimum of six
power off landings. I did them but was surprised that the plane seemed to
want to "pancake" in. I increased my airspeed on subsequent landings but it
still landed hard, but not hard enough to bend the gear. I never did get
the really smooth landings that I got with the Firestar. Gotta go out and
do some more. I kind of think that maybe, because I'm kinda scared of
"balloning" with no power, I'm not coming up enough on the elevator. We'll
see. In any case, I agree with Jim that everyone ought to get the feel of
how the aircraft handles when the fan ain't turning.
AzDave
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----- Original Message -----
From: "JIM HEFNER"
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| Subject: | Re: Quiet landings/proper lubrication /larcneny |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Herb Gayheart <herbgh@juno.com>
Pat and all
Several things.
Pat, when you get your Kolb in the air and build an impression of
its qualities; Please give us a comparison between it and your
Challenger. Guys that I talk to love their Challengers. We Kolb guys
love ours ! I think you would do all of us a favor; given the derision
you and your Challenger have suffered on this list. Good natured though
it might have been :-) .
Oil--- Wal Mart semi synthetic-------when one owns a 2 cycle
engine--the accessory lubrication--that can also be found at Wally
World--is in the Drug department! Makes it a lot easier to have
unmentionable acts committed on our wallets and adjacent areas. :-)
Comes in a little jar. :-)
Herb
On Sat, 23 Jul 2005 10:28:23 +0100 "PATRICK LADD"
<pj.ladd@btinternet.com> writes:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "PATRICK LADD"
> <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
>
> Dove for strip. Flaps would not do it so did away with flaps and
> just dove.
> Landed on the last 1/3 of runway (2000' grass strip), no problem.>>
>
> Hi Jim,
> on that much runway if you hadn`t landed safely you probably
> shouldn`t be
> allowed to fly at all.
>
> If it had been a small field it would be a different story. NEVER
> dive at a
> field. All that happens is that you arrive at your landing spot
> going too
> fast and you will float forever. If it is a small field that
> probably means
> going through the far hedge or smacking into a wall.
>
> Cheers
>
> Pat
>
>
> --
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Quiet Landings/Practice Dead Stick |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
contend with....even during practice. Why not practice with a live
engine that will allow you to recover in the event of the unexpected.
| Steve K
Steve K/All:
Good. You do it you way and I'll do it my way.
Sorry if I came across trying to convert you and the others that don't
see it my way.
I usually shoot all my landings with closed throttle, and try not to
touch it, unless it looks like I am not going to make the runway, even
in gusty conditions. The more ways I experiment with flying my
airplane under all conditions, the better I am able to fly and control
the situation when the unexpected happens.
Take care,
john h
MKIII, 912ULS
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
I don't have flaps but I do have full span, wide chord ailerons.
That probably is the difference?
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| Steve K
Steve K/Gang:
Isn't slipping more a matter of rudder and the side surface of the
fuselage?
Some Kolb models will slip better than others. Some models slip
sometimes and sometimes they can't be threatened into slipping.
My original Firestar would just barely hit 90 mph indicated in a 90
degree dive with engine at idle. In a hurry to get down, push the
nose over. Doesn't take much to slow down my Kolbs. Mine have full
time airbrakes or so it seems, they are so draggy.
john h
MKIII/912ULS
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| Subject: | Re: Quiet Landings/Practice Dead Stick |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Steve Kroll <muso2080@yahoo.com>
<<<<<<<As far as someone calling 911 because they saw me shooting practice
dead stick landings at the local airport, I am not too concerned with
what others might do in that case. Long as I am not doing something
illegal or causing a safety hazard.>>>>
John, Rusty. all
Rusty has a good point John. Suppose something does go wrong while you are practicing
dead-stick with the engine off (by your own choice)and you end up in court
because you damaged somebody's property or worse. The prosecution's case
is going to be that you WERE doing something dangerous or at the very least, ill-advised
and I don't think they would have a hard time proving it to the average
jury.
Steve K
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| Subject: | Quiet Landings/Practice Dead Stick |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Steve Garvelink" <link@cdc.net>
Shakespeare was right
"Kill all the lawyers"
sorry if any of you on the list are the good lawyers assuming anyone
flying a kolb cant be bad
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve Kroll
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Quiet Landings/Practice Dead Stick
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Steve Kroll <muso2080@yahoo.com>
<<<<<<<As far as someone calling 911 because they saw me shooting
practice
dead stick landings at the local airport, I am not too concerned
with
what others might do in that case. Long as I am not doing
something
illegal or causing a safety hazard.>>>>
John, Rusty. all
Rusty has a good point John. Suppose something does go wrong while you
are practicing dead-stick with the engine off (by your own choice)and
you end up in court because you damaged somebody's property or worse.
The prosecution's case is going to be that you WERE doing something
dangerous or at the very least, ill-advised and I don't think they
would have a hard time proving it to the average jury.
Steve K
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Vic Peters" <vicsvinyl@verizon.net>
MKIIIXtra
In one plans book it says to insert the legs all the way in as far as possible.
The next says to leave 1" of non tapper expossed beyond cage frame.
The plans show a 14" measurement from cage to where I can't seem to
figure out because none of these measurements have any thing to do with the other.
I've cut the end of the al. leg at an angle to fit the steel axle fitting and pounded
it in place only to realize the tapper tightens up before you know how
far it is inserted. I'd rather not ding them all up trying to get them off,
They are realy snug. Can I just shorten the distance of 1.5" to 1" to drill the
hole to att. the axle fitting to gear leg just to make sure I'm not too near
the end of the leg?
Are the brake disks listed in Aircraft Spuce (pg 215; 2004-2005) for homebuilts
the ones I want for Azusa wheels?
What is the attachment from steel axle fitting to calipper made of?
I've been given master cylinders and rebuilt dirt bike calipers one fixed shoe.
They need little space between disc and tire. The square part with 4 holes in the
steel axle fitting seems to bend easily. Is that of concern?
There you go. I've saved them all for one email.
Vic 3
MKIIIXtra 00040
Maine
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| Subject: | Re: M-IIIC Drivers in Iowa |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "woody" <duesouth@govital.net>
<cstonex@msn.com>
>
> All of these stories from you former Challenger drivers are nice ..... I
> just wish one of you would come help me get into this M-III I'm lookin'
at.
> Then I can be greatful that I bought a Kolb too!
I wish I was in your area to help you out.
The diamond floor plate must have been a builder modification. Kolb uses
only sheet aluminum for the floor.
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
Vic, I guess it's too late to tell you you don't need to cut an angle
on the end.
(BTW are they delivering steel or aluminum legs for the Xtra?)
The actual amount inside the leg socket isn't important as long as they
are most of the way in. (size doesn't matter ;)
the amount sticking out should be the same. As long as one side looks
the
same as the other works on nearly every part of the airplane.
Wait until you have the legs in before you do any drilling for the axle
socket.
Stick on the whole wheel assembly, parallel them with the tail wheel as
center and THEN drill the holes for the axle socket.
Some look for a slight toe-in which is better than toe-out.
The leg socket on some have a lot of crap inside. The worst is welding
wire
protruding. The least is a little dimpling or ash bumps.
That all has to be sanded and cleaned out. Then grease up the leg
and go for it.
Leg first, axle socket second. Toe-in: rotate axle socket forward.
Toe-out: rotate aft. On my plane the left socket has slightly out of
round holes. If I loosen the bolts I can stick a pipe wrench on and
get whatever toe I want. -then just scrunch em back down and they
will stay put.
-BB
On 23, Jul 2005, at 2:44 PM, Vic Peters wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Vic Peters" <vicsvinyl@verizon.net>
>
> MKIIIXtra
> In one plans book it says to insert the legs all the way in as far as
> possible.
> The next says to leave 1" of non tapper expossed beyond cage frame.
> The plans show a 14" measurement from cage to where I can't seem to
> figure out because none of these measurements have any thing to do
> with the other.
> I've cut the end of the al. leg at an angle to fit the steel axle
> fitting and pounded it in place only to realize the tapper tightens up
> before you know how far it is inserted. I'd rather not ding them all
> up trying to get them off,
> They are realy snug. Can I just shorten the distance of 1.5" to 1" to
> drill the hole to att. the axle fitting to gear leg just to make sure
> I'm not too near the end of the leg?
>
> Are the brake disks listed in Aircraft Spuce (pg 215; 2004-2005) for
> homebuilts the ones I want for Azusa wheels?
>
> What is the attachment from steel axle fitting to calipper made of?
> I've been given master cylinders and rebuilt dirt bike calipers one
> fixed shoe.
> They need little space between disc and tire. The square part with 4
> holes in the steel axle fitting seems to bend easily. Is that of
> concern?
>
> There you go. I've saved them all for one email.
>
> Vic 3
> MKIIIXtra 00040
> Maine
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Vic Peters" <vicsvinyl@verizon.net>
Thanks Bob,
I know I can't drill for the axle yet. No brakes yet. I was concered about drilling
too close to that angle I didn't need to cut. And what about being level?
Would you make any adjustments in leg length to keep the cage level, assuming
that floor is?
In 2002 they sent aluminum legs.
Vic 3
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| Subject: | Re: M-IIIC Drivers in Iowa |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Chuck Stonex" <cstonex@msn.com>
Thanks for the ofer Woody ..... I accept.!! hehe.
The diamond plate was a builder modification. It is back to a sheet aluminum
floor now.
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "woody" <duesouth@govital.net>
<cstonex@msn.com>
>
> All of these stories from you former Challenger drivers are nice ..... I
> just wish one of you would come help me get into this M-III I'm lookin'
at.
> Then I can be greatful that I bought a Kolb too!
I wish I was in your area to help you out.
The diamond floor plate must have been a builder modification. Kolb uses
only sheet aluminum for the floor.
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: ElleryWeld@aol.com
Vic are you the guy that I met in Patten Maine last year at the Mainely
Sport Planes flyin where here in maine are you?
almost done rebuilding original firestar
Do not archive
Ellery
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| Subject: | Re: Quiet landings |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: jerb <ulflyer@verizon.net>
Have to agree, diving for a field is not the best option or habit to learn
- instead earn to loose altitude by using a slide slip, you can also "S
turn", even slow down. I usually make it a practice to be high on final
and have to side slip it in - this way I control both my speed and rate of
decent but land on my picked spot - your diving method while it does get
you down, it does not build your short field skills.
I normally will only do a side slip with 2 notches of flaperons, wing down
into the wind and counter with opposite rudder for direction
control. Practice at altitude then try a few on final.
jerb
At 10:28 AM 7/23/05 +0100, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "PATRICK LADD" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
>
>Dove for strip. Flaps would not do it so did away with flaps and just dove.
>Landed on the last 1/3 of runway (2000' grass strip), no problem.>>
>
>Hi Jim,
>on that much runway if you hadn`t landed safely you probably shouldn`t be
>allowed to fly at all.
>
>If it had been a small field it would be a different story. NEVER dive at a
>field. All that happens is that you arrive at your landing spot going too
>fast and you will float forever. If it is a small field that probably means
>going through the far hedge or smacking into a wall.
>
>Cheers
>
>Pat
>
>
>--
>
>
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| Subject: | Ducati Wiring Issue |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Beauford" <beauford@tampabay.rr.com>
Kolbers:
Reassembled the 447 today to complete the decarboning drill... pain. heat. sweat.
Came across one red-flag item that I wanted to pass along to the List just in case
someone else is
facing the same situation.
As I was putting the wiring back on the side of the engine, I peeked inside the
plastic spiral wrap I use to
organize the wiring harness. Was highly surprised to see several inches of totally
bare wire... the insulation on one particular wire had
disintegrated... turned to soft pink goo. Unfortunately, it is the trigger circuit
wire for the Ducati ignition module.
Only this one segment of this one wire was affected. It is the solid red lead
coming out of the engine generator
section (where the trigger sensor is located) and leading to the Ducati module.
On the 447, It goes through a black rubber coupler plug halfway to the module.
Only the segment coming out of the engine case and leading to the coupler
plug was defective. From the coupler forward to the module was still bright red
and in perfect shape. None of the other wires anywhere in the Ducati system
or coming out of the generator were defective in the least. They were all in
as-new condition.... still shiny and brightly colored.
Since all of these wires were subjected to the same storage environment (closed
trailer)and are of the same age (4 years), I
believe it logical to assume that this is a case of defective materials. I attempt
to find time to tear into the generator tomorrow and see what the rest of
the trigger circuit wire inside the engine case looks like. Will report what
I find.
Meanwhile, I thought this issue to be potentially dangerous... they will certainly
not run with a shorted trigger circuit. If there is a bad
batch of trigger sensor wire out there installed on engines, it probably needs
to be documented.... at the very least, I would think it prudent to take a look
at the condition of these trigger leads on your 2-stroke Rotax, just in case
your wire came from the same batch as mine...
Public Spirited Beauford
FF #076
Brandon, FL
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