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1. 04:19 AM - building (Paul Petty)
2. 04:25 AM - Re: Good day everyone! (ron wehba)
3. 05:34 AM - Another kolb on the go. (woody)
4. 06:01 AM - Key West and Beyond (N27SB@AOL.com)
5. 06:25 AM - Re: Good day everyone! (snuffy@usol.com)
6. 06:54 AM - dive at the field (b young)
7. 07:08 AM - Re: Good day everyone! (bryan green)
8. 07:10 AM - Re: dive at the field (FlyColt45@aol.com)
9. 07:35 AM - Re: dive at the field (ray anderson)
10. 10:46 AM - Monument Valley Kolb Flyin/Sport Pilot (John Hauck)
11. 12:08 PM - EAA Sport Pilot/MV 2005 (John Hauck)
12. 12:17 PM - Kolb for sale (Charles & Meredith Blackwell)
13. 04:46 PM - Re: Monument Valley Kolb Flyin/Sport Pilot (DCulver701@aol.com)
14. 05:20 PM - Re: Monument Valley Kolb Flyin/Sport Pilot (John Hauck)
15. 05:28 PM - Re: Monument Valley Kolb Flyin/Sport Pilot (John Hauck)
16. 06:39 PM - Re: EAA Sport Pilot/MV 2005 (Bob Noyer)
17. 06:43 PM - Re: EAA Sport Pilot/MV 2005 (Bob Noyer)
18. 06:47 PM - test (Bob Noyer)
19. 07:50 PM - Re: Monument Valley Kolb Flyin/Sport Pilot (James Tripp)
20. 08:05 PM - Re: dive at the field (Jack & Louise Hart)
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" <Lynnp@c-gate.net>
snip>>Building is very seldom the cheapest way to get a plane.
Bryan Green Elgin SC
Firestar 447 BRS
Amen Bryan.....
Paul Petty
Building Ms. Dixie
Kolbra/912UL/Warp
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| Subject: | Re: Good day everyone! |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "ron wehba" <rwehba@pegasusbb.com>
hi, bryan, the us plans i have are VERY detailed,and very complete, the only
thing i see as a problem would be the main wing spar rib stampings but i bet
you can buy em from kolb.
----- Original Message -----
From: "bryan green" <lgreen1@sc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Good day everyone!
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: bryan green <lgreen1@sc.rr.com>
>
> Hi Benny, I don't think you can get detailed enough plans to build an
> Ultrastar. You would come out much cheaper and be flying a lot sooner to
> just buy a used Ultrastar from some one. There are several on
> Barnstormers.com at a very reasonable price just search for Kolb.
> Building is very seldom the cheapest way to get a plane.
> Bryan Green Elgin SC
> Firestar 447 BRS
>
> Benny Bee wrote:
>
>>--> Kolb-List message posted by: Benny Bee <benny_bee_01@yahoo.com>
>>
>>
>>Kolbers,Jerry!
>>I thank y'all for warm welcome.I am just getting in to
>>this wonderful hobby and currently taking a flight
>>lessons from BFI.
>>I live in jackson,ms.I searched over the net for a
>>ultrastar but every one i found was either too far or
>>too much,So i am thinking seriously about building it
>>from plans.Don't know yet how much PIA involved but i
>>was told to count on around 400 hours. Since i happen
>>to have some free time i think it will be wise for me
>>to build ,even though it's gonna take a while.I am a
>>welder so fabricating part don't really scares me.
>>Did anybody on the list built any kolbs from
>>scratch,using just a plans??
>>
>>Thanks,
>>BB
>>--- Jerry Curtin <jcurtin@cableone.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jerry Curtin"
>>><jcurtin@cableone.net>
>>>
>>>Hello BB, Welcome to the list. Where in MS do you
>>>live? I am building a
>>>Firestar in Diamondhead. This will be my second one.
>>>I and everyone else on
>>>this list will be glad to help in any way. Jerry
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: "Benny Bee" <benny_bee_01@yahoo.com>
>>>To: <kolb-list@matronics.com 0.06
>>>FROM_HAS_ULINE_NUMS From :
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>contains.an.underline.and.numbers/letters@roxy.matronics.com>
>>
>>
>>>Subject: Kolb-List: Good day everyone!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>--> Kolb-List message posted by: Benny Bee
>>>>
>>>>
>>><benny_bee_01@yahoo.com>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Hello folks.
>>>>I am a new member here.This is my first post.
>>>>I found this list last night and WHAT A GREAT
>>>>
>>>>
>>>LIST!
>>>
>>>
>>>>I am thinking about getting me a Kolb.Looking for
>>>>
>>>>
>>>an
>>>
>>>
>>>>ultrastar.I live in mississippi so i was wondering
>>>>
>>>>
>>>if
>>>
>>>
>>>>any kolbers are close by who wly around here?
>>>>
>>>>BB
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>browse
>>>Subscriptions page,
>>>FAQ,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>
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| Subject: | Another kolb on the go. |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "woody" <duesouth@govital.net>
Go for it.
I built an original Kolb Flyer from scratch and helped build an
Ultrastar from scratch. Both were good learning experiences. You can get
great deals on crashed or damaged Kolbs that if you have the skills you can
get them back in the air real cheap. I documented my build time for my
Twinstar and it was about 150 hrs using the kit. Mk111 is about the same
maybe a bit more.
I met Will Tatham today and bought a Mk111 kit #1 from him. Added to the
airfame I salvaged from Dallas Shepard I have the makings for another Kolb.
This one is being constructed as an investment to be sold when completed.
Hopefully it will be done by next spring. Main goal is to beat Big Lar into
the air again.( for the 3rd or 4th time ;) but who's counting.)
. Since i happen
> to have some free time i think it will be wise for me
> to build ,even though it's gonna take a while.I am a
> welder so fabricating part don't really scares me.
> Did anybody on the list built any kolbs from
> scratch,using just a plans??
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| Subject: | Key West and Beyond |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: N27SB@aol.com
To All, Just got back from Key West. I packed my Firefly away in the shop,
loaded the Vespa on the back of the truck and headed out at 0400 Sunday
morning. At 1100 I was pulling up at E.P. Dalton's floating terminal at the Blue
Lagoon Motel in Key West. High Pressure had set in and it was calm,hot and sunny.
After a couple short greetings we were off in the MX2 Quicksilver on floats.
For and hour and a half we spotted sharks rays and fish and also flew around
the Island. At times we saw young females on boats waving odd flag signals at
us. The flags were oddly shaped. Round patches of brightly colored cloth
connected with thin straps. Maybe some of the old Sailors on the list can tell
me
what it means At one point we landed on calm water offshore near a school of
Dolphins and they swam right up us and bobbed around cackling at us. Really some
great flying.
Last year E.P. had taken the wings off of my old Long-EZ that he now owns and
hid it from the hurricanes in his shop. During that time he did a major
overhaul on the engine. Monday's mission was to bolt the wings back on and set
up
all the details of the controls.
By the end of the day everything was done. On Tuesday He had several
Quicksilver flights booked so the test flight was planned for that evening. About
an
hour before sunset we pushed the EZ out to runway 27 so as not to heat up
the new engine. What followed was a perfect take off, an hour of overhead flying
at 4000ft and a perfect landing just after Sunset.
Steve B
FF#007
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| Subject: | Re: Good day everyone! |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: snuffy@usol.com
>> You're much too far to have an armwrestling contest.
> My reason for using it is pure laziness, but if you have a better
> one I can relinquish.
Aw come on BB we ain't had good wrestlin match since the Major and the
Captain got into it. ;>)
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| Subject: | dive at the field |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "b young" <by0ung@brigham.net>
<<<<<<--> Kolb-List message posted by: snuffy@usol.com
" Speed rattles the pilot & "
I'd rather have excess speed to burn off than none.
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ME TOO at the time I bent my airplane up I was coming in at best
glide angle..... hit a low level windsheer and ended up with not enough speed
to flair properly...... had I pushed the nose over picked up some extra speed
I would have been ok...... in visiting with hang gliders they tell me that extra
speed when nearing the ground is proper procedure.....
the kolb slows down quickly.... even if you push the nose over and approach at
70.... the speed decays fast enough that it is not a problem, I can always slow
it down 12 inches over the ground and still hit at stall speed.
boyd
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| Subject: | Re: Good day everyone! |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: bryan green <lgreen1@sc.rr.com>
Ron and all, thanks for the reply I stand corrected. Never saw U/S plans
just going by what I have for my Firestar, but I still stick with my
statement that it would be faster and cheaper to buy a used one then
build one.
Bryan Green
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ron wehba wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "ron wehba" <rwehba@pegasusbb.com>
>
>hi, bryan, the us plans i have are VERY detailed,and very complete, the only
>thing i see as a problem would be the main wing spar rib stampings but i bet
>you can buy em from kolb.
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "bryan green" <lgreen1@sc.rr.com>
>To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Good day everyone!
>
>
>
>
>>--> Kolb-List message posted by: bryan green <lgreen1@sc.rr.com>
>>
>>Hi Benny, I don't think you can get detailed enough plans to build an
>>Ultrastar. You would come out much cheaper and be flying a lot sooner to
>>just buy a used Ultrastar from some one. There are several on
>>Barnstormers.com at a very reasonable price just search for Kolb.
>>Building is very seldom the cheapest way to get a plane.
>>Bryan Green Elgin SC
>>Firestar 447 BRS
>>
>>Benny Bee wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>--> Kolb-List message posted by: Benny Bee <benny_bee_01@yahoo.com>
>>>
>>>
>>>Kolbers,Jerry!
>>>I thank y'all for warm welcome.I am just getting in to
>>>this wonderful hobby and currently taking a flight
>>>lessons from BFI.
>>>I live in jackson,ms.I searched over the net for a
>>>ultrastar but every one i found was either too far or
>>>too much,So i am thinking seriously about building it
>>>
>>>
>>>from plans.Don't know yet how much PIA involved but i
>>
>>
>>>was told to count on around 400 hours. Since i happen
>>>to have some free time i think it will be wise for me
>>>to build ,even though it's gonna take a while.I am a
>>>welder so fabricating part don't really scares me.
>>>Did anybody on the list built any kolbs from
>>>scratch,using just a plans??
>>>
>>>Thanks,
>>>BB
>>>--- Jerry Curtin <jcurtin@cableone.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jerry Curtin"
>>>><jcurtin@cableone.net>
>>>>
>>>>Hello BB, Welcome to the list. Where in MS do you
>>>>live? I am building a
>>>>Firestar in Diamondhead. This will be my second one.
>>>>I and everyone else on
>>>>this list will be glad to help in any way. Jerry
>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>From: "Benny Bee" <benny_bee_01@yahoo.com>
>>>>To: <kolb-list@matronics.com 0.06
>>>>FROM_HAS_ULINE_NUMS From :
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>contains.an.underline.and.numbers/letters@roxy.matronics.com>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Subject: Kolb-List: Good day everyone!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>--> Kolb-List message posted by: Benny Bee
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>><benny_bee_01@yahoo.com>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Hello folks.
>>>>>I am a new member here.This is my first post.
>>>>>I found this list last night and WHAT A GREAT
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>LIST!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>I am thinking about getting me a Kolb.Looking for
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>an
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>ultrastar.I live in mississippi so i was wondering
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>if
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>any kolbers are close by who wly around here?
>>>>>
>>>>>BB
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>browse
>>>>Subscriptions page,
>>>>FAQ,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>
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| Subject: | Re: dive at the field |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: FlyColt45@aol.com
On Kolbs: Fly the aircraft onto the ground and all will be fine.
Words of wisdom - from a pro at bending gear legs : )
Jim PA/FL
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| Subject: | Re: dive at the field |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: ray anderson <rsanoa@yahoo.com>
I repeat, take a little time to practice wheel landings and bent gear will be a
thing you just remember. And you don't have to wheel land every time, adjust
to wind and landing site. I think you will do like me, wheel it on about 50%
of the time. Besides, it just feels good to plant those wheels on firmly without
a bounce and let that tail slowly come down, with everything under perfect
control.
Ray ... UltraStar
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FlyColt45@aol.com wrote:
--> Kolb-List message posted by: FlyColt45@aol.com
On Kolbs: Fly the aircraft onto the ground and all will be fine.
Words of wisdom - from a pro at bending gear legs : )
Jim PA/FL
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| Subject: | Monument Valley Kolb Flyin/Sport Pilot |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Hi Gang:
We made it thanks to the persistence of Rick Neilsen.
This was an excellent issue for the article to be published in
conjunction with OSH. They usually have thousands of free copies
available to attendees.
Thanks again Rick for your idea, initiative, persistence, and being a
member of the MV Clique. hehehe
john h
MKIII/912ULS
PS: And Rick wasn't flying either, but he had a nice rental car to
haul us up and down the hill. ;-)
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| Subject: | EAA Sport Pilot/MV 2005 |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Here ya go:
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/Hauck's%20Stuff/MV%20Sport%20Pilot/scan0001.jpg
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/Hauck's%20Stuff/MV%20Sport%20Pilot/scan0002.jpg
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/Hauck's%20Stuff/MV%20Sport%20Pilot/scan0003.jpg
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/Hauck's%20Stuff/MV%20Sport%20Pilot/scan0004.jpg
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/Hauck's%20Stuff/MV%20Sport%20Pilot/scan0005.jpg
Take care,
john h
MKIII
hauck's holler, alabama
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Charles & Meredith Blackwell <wozani@optonline.net>
It is breaking my heart to do it, but I need to sell my MkII twinstar w/503
DCDI. Seems like not having health insurance has caught up with my family and
there are some unusually large bills coming due soon. I've already posted it
on Barnstormers.com and hope to sell soon. It is a bit less than I paid for
it but I priced it at $10,500. Price is negotiable of course. Always been hangared,
roughly 120 hours on the engine, more like 300+ hours on the psru and
600+ airframe. The original builder worked for Homer and it was built with his
input and oversight. Flies great, lands well, best thing I ever flew in when
considering the fun quotient.
Also looking to unload a 1/4 share in a Cherokee 160 hangared in NJ at 3N6 ($15k).
Will be selling a nearly new pair of Comtronics headsets and an Ultravox intercom.
Maybe 20 hours on the set. Selling a Garmin Pilot III GPS that has the
same time on it. Let me know and I'll send you a price.
I was planning on switching the plane to LSA rules and recovering to give me
a like new plane by next year. Already had replaced the landing gear legs with
nice straight aluminum ones last fall. Put on new Matco drum brakes and tires,
new axles and brackets too. Has a canister BRS750 chute. 3 bladed ivoprop.
Full lexan windscreen with winterizing plugs for the shoulder area. White
with blue accents. Blueprints and build directions included. Built in 1987.
Will trade straight up for health insurance coverage.....
Charlie Blackwell, MkII in NJ
732-972-7947
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| Subject: | Re: Monument Valley Kolb Flyin/Sport Pilot |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: DCulver701@aol.com
In a message dated 7/28/2005 1:47:22 PM Eastern Standard Time,
jhauck@elmore.rr.com writes:
Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Hi Gang:
We made it thanks to the persistence of Rick Neilsen.
This was an excellent issue for the article to be published in
conjunction with OSH. They usually have thousands of free copies
available to attendees.
Thanks again Rick for your idea, initiative, persistence, and being a
member of the MV Clique. hehehe
john h
MKIII/912ULS
PS: And Rick wasn't flying either, but he had a nice rental car to
haul us up and down the hill. ;-)
John i just received my copy of Sport Pilot, and really enjoyed the article
along with the great scenery shots! Looked like a nice turnout for an informal
fly-in. I have a question as a newbie to flying, what drew you to the Kolbs
instead of a Titan or Earthstar aircraft or many of the other ultra-lights
available today? That is an open question to the board, and would be interested
in the different responses as i'm sure there were a lot of different reasons.
John , how many hours do you have on your 912ULS, and have you had any
maintainence issues since new? Sounds like you guys that did the western
or was everything just played by ear? Would imagine there must have a few
people flying that aren't retired yet, so must have had some kind of timeline to
meet? Again i want to say thanks for a great article to all involved. Best
regards, Dave Culver
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| Subject: | Re: Monument Valley Kolb Flyin/Sport Pilot |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
| I have a question as a newbie to flying, what drew you to the Kolbs
| instead of a Titan or Earthstar aircraft or many of the other
ultra-lights
| available today?
| John , how many hours do you have on your 912ULS, and have you had
any
| maintainence issues since new?
Sounds like you guys that did the western
| or was everything just played by ear? Would imagine there must have
a few
| people flying that aren't retired yet, so must have had some kind of
timeline to
| meet?
Dave Culver
Hi Dave C/Gang:
Well, let's see. The reason I was drawn to Kolb instead of a Titan
or Earthstar or many of the other ultralights available today was
because they did not exist in the Summer of 1983, when I started
looking for an airplane to build and fly. I have been with Kolb since
March 1984, building the Ultrastar, Firestar, and the MKIII, long
before there was a Classic and an Extra.
Dave, I haven't found another airplane that will satisfy all my flight
requirements like my MKIII. If there was one out there, I'd probably
already have built it.
Kolbs are strong, crash worthy, fun to fly little airplanes. They are
also very easy to fly, but can still kill you if certain laws of
aviation and gravity are not adhered to. They are relatively simple
to land without breaking and bending existing landing gear.
And.........they don't quit flying and fall out of the sky unless the
airspeed gets below the indicated stall speed.
The 912 series engines are great and expensive. What you pay for you
get in a 912UL or 912ULS. I have 1,024.0 hours on my 912ULS. The
engine it replaced on my MKIII, a 912UL, had 1,135.0 hours when I
pulled it off. Never had any kind of engine failure or stoppage with
the 912ULS. However, I did have two engine stoppages with the 912UL
caused by contaminated fuel, both times. Pilot error both times.
The flight from Monument Valley to Moab, Salt Lake to the Alvord
Desert, Reno, Santa Clarita, and home was all preplanned and worked
great. Three of us were fully retired, one was sitting on the fence
waiting for a few days to retire, and the other gent was still hard at
it.
Each year the Unplanned/Unorganized Kolb Flyin at MV keeps getting
better. So far everyone has taken care of their own requirements and
duties. That means no one has any assigned jobs or responsibilities.
Makes for a magnificiently simple, enjoyable flyin.
See ya'll at MV in 2006, Lord willing and the creek don't rise.
john h
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| Subject: | Re: Monument Valley Kolb Flyin/Sport Pilot |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
|| John , how many hours do you have on your 912ULS, and have you had
| any
|| maintainence issues since new?
Dave C/Gang:
Sorry, failed to address maintenance issues.
None......change the oil and filter every 100 hours, spark plugs every
100 hrs, fuel filter and air filter. That is it.
The 912UL and 912ULS have been pretty much problem free.
john h
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| Subject: | Re: EAA Sport Pilot/MV 2005 |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Bob Noyer <ronoy@shentel.net>
John,
Is it just me...or why can't I pull up your MV pix?
Here's what I get...
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/Hauck's%20Stuff/MV%20Sport%Pilot/scan0001.jpg
Bob N.
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| Subject: | Re: EAA Sport Pilot/MV 2005 |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Bob Noyer <ronoy@shentel.net>
John,
Couldn't pull up your MV pix. Here's what I get...
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/Hauck's%20Stuff/MV%20Sport%Pilot/scan0001.jpg
bob N.
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Bob Noyer <ronoy@shentel.net>
test 1,2, 3
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| Subject: | Monument Valley Kolb Flyin/Sport Pilot |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "James Tripp" <jtripp@elmore.rr.com>
Dave,
What drew me to Kolb aircraft were 3 things:
1. The first Kolb I ever saw was John Hauck's Mark III 11 years ago. What a
beautiful piece of work and the design was great too.
2. The construction of a Kolb compared to other UL type aircraft was
awesome.
3. I liked the easy fold option. I fold and unfold every time I fly.
James Tripp, FSII, 98 hours
John i just received my copy of Sport Pilot, and really enjoyed the article
along with the great scenery shots! Looked like a nice turnout for an
informal
fly-in. I have a question as a newbie to flying, what drew you to the
Kolbs
instead of a Titan or Earthstar aircraft or many of the other ultra-lights
available today? That is an open question to the board, and would be
interested
in the different responses as i'm sure there were a lot of different
reasons.
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| Subject: | Re: dive at the field |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Jack & Louise Hart <jbhart@ldd.net>
FireFlyers & Kolbers,
I try my best to three point my FireFly as it has the small plastic wheels.
I want to touch down at the slowest controlled forward speed (lowest energy
touch down) possible and to minimize risk of bending a gear leg or nosing
over in tall grass. I make my approach at no less than cruise speed. With
the field made, I close the throttle and push the stick forward (dive to the
field) to maintain cruise speed or faster and fly it on down to the desired
flare point. After flaring, I hold it off and with three degrees of
flaperon, it three points on very nicely in about three seconds at about 27
mphi. So far, the FireFly has experienced 539 landings that included one
nose over and no bent a gear legs.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
Jack B. Hart
jbhart@ldd.net
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