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1. 03:20 AM - Re: Re: Hot Heads (Dan Charter)
2. 04:17 AM - Re: Kolb-List Digest: 35 Msgs - 07/31/05 (Ted Cowan)
3. 05:01 AM - Re: Re: Hot Heads (Eugene Zimmerman)
4. 05:34 AM - Ultrastar trip (Edward Steuber)
5. 05:36 AM - MY FIST FLIGHT WAS A SUCESS!!!!!! (jdmurr@juno.com)
6. 05:54 AM - Re: Re: Hot Heads (Beauford)
7. 06:43 AM - Re: Ultrastar trip (N27SB@aol.com)
8. 07:02 AM - Re: Re: Alternative engines... (jerb)
9. 07:18 AM - Re: Oshkosh 2005 PreFlight (ghaley@wt.net)
10. 07:54 AM - Re: Re: Alternative engines... (N27SB@aol.com)
11. 08:51 AM - Re: MY FIST FLIGHT WAS A SUCESS!!!!!! (Dave & Eve Pelletier)
12. 08:55 AM - Adapting IVO Extension to PowerFin Propeller (Jack & Louise Hart)
13. 09:04 AM - First flight (Terry Frantz)
14. 09:05 AM - Re: MY FIST FLIGHT WAS A SUCESS!!!!!! (PATRICK LADD)
15. 09:10 AM - Alternative engines (Jason Omelchuck)
16. 09:22 AM - alternative engines (robert bean)
17. 09:57 AM - monument valley article (b young)
18. 09:57 AM - Pitot static (b young)
19. 11:51 AM - Re: monument valley article (George E. Thompson)
20. 02:33 PM - Re: Hot Heads (possums)
21. 04:05 PM - Re: Hot Heads (Beauford)
22. 04:46 PM - Re: Hot Heads (ron wehba)
23. 05:11 PM - Re: Hot Heads (Beauford)
24. 05:45 PM - Re: Hot Heads (ron wehba)
25. 05:47 PM - Re: Hot Heads (ron wehba)
26. 05:52 PM - Re: Hot Heads (John Hauck)
27. 06:06 PM - Re: Hot Heads (Rusty)
28. 06:12 PM - Re: alternative engines (Rusty)
29. 06:12 PM - Re: Hot Heads (possums)
30. 06:20 PM - Slightly better prices (Beauford)
31. 06:27 PM - Re: Re: Hot Heads (woody)
32. 06:33 PM - Re: Hot Heads (ron wehba)
33. 06:41 PM - contacts (Paul Petty)
34. 06:43 PM - Re: Hot Heads (woody)
35. 06:43 PM - Re: Hot Heads (Beauford)
36. 07:12 PM - Re: Hot Heads (Beauford)
37. 07:22 PM - Re: Hot Heads (Steve Garvelink)
38. 07:24 PM - Re: Hot Heads (Benny Bee)
39. 07:28 PM - Re: Hot Heads (John Hauck)
40. 08:52 PM - Re: alternative engines (HShack@aol.com)
41. 11:29 PM - Re: Hot Heads (George Bass)
42. 11:51 PM - Official Usage Guideline [Please Read] [Monthly Posting] (dralle@matronics.com)
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dan Charter" <lndc@fnbcnet.com>
Check that intake manifold by the bolt heads. Make sure there's no hair line
cracks. It does happen and the cracks are hard to spot. Do not archive
Dan Charter
original Firestar
----- Original Message -----
From: "Beauford" <beauford@tampabay.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Hot Heads
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Beauford" <beauford@tampabay.rr.com>
>
> Don...
> I'll try pulling the needle up a notch... you may have something there.
> Needle is running where it has been for the past 130 hours, but the
> synthetic oil might have made some difference. If no joy there, will try
> the WD...certainly can't hurt. I retorqued the intake manifold on those
> new gaskets today, but it made no difference. Also gave the carb mounting
> boot a good once over ant tightened it... it is in good shape
> Thanks for the input...
> Ditch is looking better and better....
> Beauford
> Do not archive
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Don Gherardini" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
> To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Hot Heads
>
>
> > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini"
<donghe@one-eleven.net>
> >
> > Beauford,
> > After all that ....it sounds like a simple matter of a lean mixture
> > now...somehow...it just must be running leaner than it used too....you
> > know
> > what all to do to richen the carbs....needle/clip, make sure its not
> > sucking
> > air somewhere...get a can of WD and run at partial throttle and spray
the
> > boots/intake gaskets etc....if it sucks in the WD the engine will
respond,
> > if it doesnt...just makes a little mess
> >
> > ......so from here...it sounds like you should go there!!!!
> >
> > Good luck pard....and keep your chin up... remember, fooling with an
> > engine
> > still beats diggin a ditch.
> > (go check the stool and make sure it still flushin')
> >
> > Don Gherardini
> > FireFly 098
> > http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm
> >
> > DO NOT ARCHIVE
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb-List Digest: 35 Msgs - 07/31/05 |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Ted Cowan <trc1917@direcway.com>
My two cents. Running hot after a good run? I know, just absolutely
know, you checked the idle jet. If it gets event the smallest particle in
the idle jet, it will still run and idle but not well and believe it or not,
you NEED it clear to keep the CHTs down. I would also check to see if you
have scale in your main jet. I used to have a lot of trouble with my 447
with single carb fouling the idle jet inlet. very small. it is very often
overlooked. ted cowan, alabama.
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Eugene Zimmerman <eugenezimmerman@dejazzd.com>
Did you use aftermarket head gaskets that may not transfere heat to
cylinders as well as the original rotax?
Beauford wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Beauford" <beauford@tampabay.rr.com>
>
>Eugene...
>They are on right... I even took pains to make sure the front one was put
>back on the front cylinder, etc. The cut -off corner is over by the fan..
>Good thought, though... and I appreciate it...
>The more I fool with this, the more I think the pistons are not unloading
>the heat to the cyl walls properly... and that spells rings....
>We'll see...
>Thanks for the note...
>Beauford
>Do not archive
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Eugene Zimmerman" <eugenezimmerman@dejazzd.com>
>To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Hot Heads
>
>
>
>
>>--> Kolb-List message posted by: Eugene Zimmerman
>><eugenezimmerman@dejazzd.com>
>>
>>Hey, is it possible you have installed the heads one half turn off.
>>I believe one side of the head cooling fins are cast at an angle to
>>allow the air from the fan to enter the fins more easily. The angled
>>side of the head should be toward the fan side.
>>
>>Seems like something is blocking the normal flow of cooling air through
>>the heads.
>>
>>
>>Beauford wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Beauford" <beauford@tampabay.rr.com>
>>>
>>>Thanks to Steve, Don, Jack, John, Ralph and anyone else who offered info
>>>and
>>>ideas... It is all much appreciated.
>>>
>>>Spent another day baking at the strip again trying to eliminnate possible
>>>causes for high EGT's.
>>>-- Inspected rings thru exhaust ports... probed them with wooden item...
>>>all
>>>appear free. Cyls, pistons, etc. look great. Fan and belt tension OK.
>>>-- Did cold retorque on heads, manifolds, George Alexander (his 503 runs
>>>flawlessly), and anything else that got too close while I had the torque
>>>wrench...
>>>-- Flew airplane over strip... EGTs normal... CHT, especially front cyl,
>>>ran
>>>away to well over 400 in 30 seconds. Swore. Landed.
>>>-- Inspected plug thermocouples/leads... normal. Swapped thermocouples on
>>>cylinders, front cyl still hottest, so probes are OK.
>>>-- Whined.
>>>-- George disgusted... he departed fix laughing ... went home.
>>>-- Meditated in folding chair in front of trailer... ( proved to be
>>>mistake...)
>>>-- Meditative flash : is Amsoil synthetic preventing rings from
>>>re-seating...? drained Amsoil gas mix (amoco)... mixed fresh Penzoil gas
>>>(amoco)... tied down tail and tried to run break-in protocol on Rotax...
>>>Was unable to complete as written because both cyls went over 430 temp
>>>limit
>>>after about 30 seconds on WOT. 2 more hours wasted. Stuffed Kolb back in
>>>trailer.
>>>--Beauford disgusted... put special repeat curse on Austria... departed
>>>fix... went home... unwrapped fresh stogie... mixed Martini...
>>>meditating...
>>>
>>>Beauford
>>>
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: <N27SB@aol.com>
>>>To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
>>>Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Hot Heads
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>--> Kolb-List message posted by: N27SB@aol.com
>>>>
>>>>Hey Beaufie, Just got back from flying the chain of lakes around Mt,
>>>>Dora.
>>>>I
>>>>usually run the 447 that Duane flew at 5900. Today the cht showed barely
>>>>under
>>>>300 deg. It did not matter if I was on the deck over the water at 90 deg
>>>>OAT
>>>>or at 1000 ft/78 Oat. However, just like John H says, if you reduce power
>>>>the
>>>>EGT goes down and the CHT goes up. A week ago I remember it down at 280
>>>>or
>>>>so.
>>>>What gives? Maybe it has something to do with the close proximity of
>>>>Mars
>>>>this month. The 447 has 165 hrs on it and was de carbed at about 25 hrs.
>>>>Duane
>>>>said it was because they wanted to check inside for some reason.
>>>>I run high test auto gas with 50:1 Pennzoil and a little MMO.
>>>>I plan to de carb in a week or so, I will let you know what I find.
>>>>
>>>>Steve
>>>>FF#007
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Edward Steuber" <esteuber@rochester.rr.com>
Sunday was an excellent flying day in Western NY and a few of our UL guys
took advantage and went on a short breakfast trip to Middlesex at the south
end of Canandaigua Lake. Thom Riddle (ex Firestar driver and now flying a Titan)
was saving a table for us on our arrival. Restaurant is right on the airport...
Since adjusting the aileron rigging and taking some pitch out of the prop
, my airspeed (gps checked ) is 65mph at 5400rpm ...a lot more "traditional"
for an Ultrastar. I am a lot more comfortable now that the cruise is lower for
this airframe...stall speed seems lower since ailerons adjusted down....Fuel
burn worked out to 2.5 gal. /hr. on the single carb UL202....egt's at 1100 and
cht's at 350 and 290(pto end ?)....you guys got me worried , now !
ED in Western NY
do not archive
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| Subject: | MY FIST FLIGHT WAS A SUCESS!!!!!! |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "jdmurr@juno.com" <jdmurr@juno.com>
Last week I asked the list for help in transitioning from GA to my Firestar. I
thank you all for the helpful advise. The only thing I forgot was that when you
cut the power the nose pops up. No big deal though. Just a little bounce
and no bent gear. The next two landings were picture perfect!
I just went out on the runway at Smoketown, PA, took a deep breath, and gassed
it. In a short distance it hopped off the ground and shot up into the air. I
flew around the airport for a half hour then flew over a friends house near Coatesville.
Then after an hour in the air practicing turns and checking the stall
speed (34 MPH), which was a little higher than I expected, I set up for a landing.
I kept my approach speed to about 50 and flew it down to the runway. After
the round out I cut the power at 1 foot and the nose popped up. I pushed
it back down, but there wasn't enough left for a nice flare and it plopped.
I was getting ready to put it away and Terry showed up and ask if I wanted to go
to Keller Brothers. I smiled and hopped back in and we took off. Perfect landing
there and perfect landing back at Smoketown.
I have been taking GA lessons for three weeks and just Soloed on Saturday. I felt
I was ready. No guts no glory!
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Beauford" <beauford@tampabay.rr.com>
I ended using Rotax gaskets from Lockwood... At first I tried to locate some
Ski-Doo gaskets, but
gave up after wasting a couple of hours on the internet.
Beauford
Do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Eugene Zimmerman" <eugenezimmerman@dejazzd.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Hot Heads
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Eugene Zimmerman
> <eugenezimmerman@dejazzd.com>
>
> Did you use aftermarket head gaskets that may not transfere heat to
> cylinders as well as the original rotax?
>
> Beauford wrote:
>
>>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Beauford" <beauford@tampabay.rr.com>
>>
>>Eugene...
>>They are on right... I even took pains to make sure the front one was put
>>back on the front cylinder, etc. The cut -off corner is over by the fan..
>>Good thought, though... and I appreciate it...
>>The more I fool with this, the more I think the pistons are not unloading
>>the heat to the cyl walls properly... and that spells rings....
>>We'll see...
>>Thanks for the note...
>>Beauford
>>Do not archive
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Eugene Zimmerman" <eugenezimmerman@dejazzd.com>
>>To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
>>Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Hot Heads
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>--> Kolb-List message posted by: Eugene Zimmerman
>>><eugenezimmerman@dejazzd.com>
>>>
>>>Hey, is it possible you have installed the heads one half turn off.
>>>I believe one side of the head cooling fins are cast at an angle to
>>>allow the air from the fan to enter the fins more easily. The angled
>>>side of the head should be toward the fan side.
>>>
>>>Seems like something is blocking the normal flow of cooling air through
>>>the heads.
>>>
>>>
>>>Beauford wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Beauford" <beauford@tampabay.rr.com>
>>>>
>>>>Thanks to Steve, Don, Jack, John, Ralph and anyone else who offered info
>>>>and
>>>>ideas... It is all much appreciated.
>>>>
>>>>Spent another day baking at the strip again trying to eliminnate
>>>>possible
>>>>causes for high EGT's.
>>>>-- Inspected rings thru exhaust ports... probed them with wooden item...
>>>>all
>>>>appear free. Cyls, pistons, etc. look great. Fan and belt tension OK.
>>>>-- Did cold retorque on heads, manifolds, George Alexander (his 503 runs
>>>>flawlessly), and anything else that got too close while I had the torque
>>>>wrench...
>>>>-- Flew airplane over strip... EGTs normal... CHT, especially front cyl,
>>>>ran
>>>>away to well over 400 in 30 seconds. Swore. Landed.
>>>>-- Inspected plug thermocouples/leads... normal. Swapped thermocouples
>>>>on
>>>>cylinders, front cyl still hottest, so probes are OK.
>>>>-- Whined.
>>>>-- George disgusted... he departed fix laughing ... went home.
>>>>-- Meditated in folding chair in front of trailer... ( proved to be
>>>>mistake...)
>>>>-- Meditative flash : is Amsoil synthetic preventing rings from
>>>>re-seating...? drained Amsoil gas mix (amoco)... mixed fresh Penzoil
>>>>gas
>>>>(amoco)... tied down tail and tried to run break-in protocol on
>>>>Rotax...
>>>>Was unable to complete as written because both cyls went over 430 temp
>>>>limit
>>>>after about 30 seconds on WOT. 2 more hours wasted. Stuffed Kolb back
>>>>in
>>>>trailer.
>>>>--Beauford disgusted... put special repeat curse on Austria... departed
>>>>fix... went home... unwrapped fresh stogie... mixed Martini...
>>>>meditating...
>>>>
>>>>Beauford
>>>>
>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>From: <N27SB@aol.com>
>>>>To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
>>>>Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Hot Heads
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>--> Kolb-List message posted by: N27SB@aol.com
>>>>>
>>>>>Hey Beaufie, Just got back from flying the chain of lakes around Mt,
>>>>>Dora.
>>>>>I
>>>>>usually run the 447 that Duane flew at 5900. Today the cht showed
>>>>>barely
>>>>>under
>>>>>300 deg. It did not matter if I was on the deck over the water at 90
>>>>>deg
>>>>>OAT
>>>>>or at 1000 ft/78 Oat. However, just like John H says, if you reduce
>>>>>power
>>>>>the
>>>>>EGT goes down and the CHT goes up. A week ago I remember it down at 280
>>>>>or
>>>>>so.
>>>>>What gives? Maybe it has something to do with the close proximity of
>>>>>Mars
>>>>>this month. The 447 has 165 hrs on it and was de carbed at about 25
>>>>>hrs.
>>>>>Duane
>>>>>said it was because they wanted to check inside for some reason.
>>>>>I run high test auto gas with 50:1 Pennzoil and a little MMO.
>>>>>I plan to de carb in a week or so, I will let you know what I find.
>>>>>
>>>>>Steve
>>>>>FF#007
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Ultrastar trip |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: N27SB@aol.com
In a message dated 8/1/05 7:35:07 AM Central Daylight Time,
esteuber@rochester.rr.com writes:
> 1100 and cht's at 350 and 290(pto end ?)....you guys got me worried , now !
> ED in Western NY
>
Hi Ed, Sorry to scare you, but my temps have been running in that area ever
since I bought it from Duane. Some days it runs close to 300 and some days
closer to 280. The front cylinder is always hotter and the plug is always
cleaner. Swapping the thermocouples confirms that temps are accurate. At 165 hrs
mine
is more than overdue for a look see.
I suspect that I need to add a little more pitch to the Kiev prop. It stays
under 5200 static but will slightly go over 6500 in level flight. (Thanks John
H for the insight on prop load and it's relation to CHT.)
Steve Boetto
FireFly #007
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| Subject: | Re: Alternative engines... |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: jerb <ulflyer@verizon.net>
Cost for a one off, that sounds about right. Check with IVO - they make
them for Kolb models - cost for ours for an IVO was around $60 if I recall
right - make sure it will fit, mate, & work with the PowerFIn.
jerb
At 06:23 PM 7/30/05 -1000, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "David L. Bigelow" <dlbigelow@verizon.net>
>
>"Has anyone on the list Got an extra IVO prop spacer plate they would sell ?
>if so I am looking for one, or if You know how long it should be could you let
>
>me know I can build one if I know what the length needs to be for an Original
>Firestar and any other info I would need when I machine it out
>I just purchased a new prop from a guy on ebay and I think he is trying to
>shaft me on the spacer what is it really worth ?"
>
>I just had a 2.75 inch extension machined for my Firestar with a 503 B
>Box. The prop is a Powerfin. It cost me $260.00 with shipping
>(Wow!). Saber Engineering makes them - did a good job.
>
>Dave Bigelow
>FS2, 503 DCDI
>Kamuela, Hawaii
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Oshkosh 2005 PreFlight |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: ghaley@wt.net
Rick,
Glad you found the problem and had a safe flight home.
Again, thanks for the steak dinner and a place to overnight.
I had an uneventfull return home...the first day I made it to Hot Springs,
AK. The next day I had a tailwind and made it to Dry Creek Airport non stop.
I arrived home at 12:10PM on Friday.
You and Martha come see us sometime.
Gary & Beneta Haley
Quoting Richard & Martha Neilsen <NeilsenRM05@comcast.net>:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard & Martha Neilsen"
> <NeilsenRM05@comcast.net>
>
> When I got ready to head home yesterday I incountered a strange situation.
> When I did my preflight I found that that the control stick felt like it had
>
> a couple of heavy bungy cords pulling it into a left bank. I did a bunch of
> checking and found the the right flap was FULL of water. It was very heavy
> and caused the aleron to droop which I noticed from the control stick. I
> punched some holes in the flap and the water drained out. About six years
> ago I recovered the flap without removing the hinge and likely opened it for
>
> water entry. When we got that MAJOR rain storm Monday night it must have
> filled up. It was a very good thing that I did a good preflight.
>
> I hope everyone got home safe and sound.
>
> Rick Neilsen
> Redrive VW powered MKIIIc
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Alternative engines... |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: N27SB@aol.com
In a message dated 8/1/05 9:03:11 AM Central Daylight Time,
ulflyer@verizon.net writes:
>
> Cost for a one off, that sounds about right. Check with IVO - they make
> them for Kolb models - cost for ours for an IVO was around $60 if I recall
> right - make sure it will fit, mate, &work with the PowerFIn.
> jerb
>
>
I recently bought an extension from both Ivo and Kiev. Both were around $80.
The Ivo was a piece of aluminum heavy wall tubing and the Kiev was a
beautifully machined part. They are slightly different in length so you may have
to
test for bolt lenght req.
Steve B
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| Subject: | Re: MY FIST FLIGHT WAS A SUCESS!!!!!! |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dave & Eve Pelletier" <pelletier@cableone.net>
Congratulations!!!. We all know the feeling of the first flight and great
that it went well. Here's to many more.
AzDave
Do Not Archive
----- Original Message -----
From: <jdmurr@juno.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: MY FIST FLIGHT WAS A SUCESS!!!!!!
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "jdmurr@juno.com" <jdmurr@juno.com>
>
>
> Last week I asked the list for help in transitioning from GA to my
> Firestar. I thank you all for the helpful advise. The only thing I forgot
> was that when you cut the power the nose pops up. No big deal though.
> Just a little bounce and no bent gear. The next two landings were picture
> perfect!
>
> I just went out on the runway at Smoketown, PA, took a deep breath, and
> gassed it. In a short distance it hopped off the ground and shot up into
> the air. I flew around the airport for a half hour then flew over a
> friends house near Coatesville. Then after an hour in the air practicing
> turns and checking the stall speed (34 MPH), which was a little higher
> than I expected, I set up for a landing. I kept my approach speed to about
> 50 and flew it down to the runway. After the round out I cut the power at
> 1 foot and the nose popped up. I pushed it back down, but there wasn't
> enough left for a nice flare and it plopped.
>
> I was getting ready to put it away and Terry showed up and ask if I wanted
> to go to Keller Brothers. I smiled and hopped back in and we took off.
> Perfect landing there and perfect landing back at Smoketown.
>
> I have been taking GA lessons for three weeks and just Soloed on Saturday.
> I felt I was ready. No guts no glory!
>
> Try Juno Platinum for Free! Then, only $9.95/month!
> Visit http://www.juno.com/value to sign up today!
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Adapting IVO Extension to PowerFin Propeller |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Jack & Louise Hart <jbhart@ldd.net>
At 09:11 AM 8/1/05 -0500, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: jerb <ulflyer@verizon.net>
>
>Cost for a one off, that sounds about right. Check with IVO - they make
>them for Kolb models - cost for ours for an IVO was around $60 if I recall
>right - make sure it will fit, mate, & work with the PowerFIn.
>jerb
>
Kolbers,
A solution to adapting a PowerFin propeller to an IVO extension can be found
at:
http://www.thirdshift.com/jack/firefly/firefly99.html
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
Jack B. Hart
jbhart@ldd.net
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Terry Frantz <tkrolfe@usadatanet.net>
Great job John on making your first flights. I wasn't there to witness
you first flight, but I did observe your second and third landing and
they were right on the the money. Pleasure flying with you on your
second flight and was surprised at how well you handled the FireStar
already. Many hours of good flying ahead for you and I hope to join you
some more. Welcome to the Kolb Club
Terry - FireFly #95
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| Subject: | Re: MY FIST FLIGHT WAS A SUCESS!!!!!! |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "PATRICK LADD" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
Hi there,
congratulations on your first flight.
Hope to be able to post the same message soon, provided that the Italians
stir their stumps and get my prop. to the UK abit sharpish.
Cheers
Pat
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| Subject: | Alternative engines |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jason Omelchuck" <jason@trek-tech.com>
Hello Mitty and all,
There are 3 MKIII Classics with BMW R100's flying and mine should fly next
year. I believe 1 has a couple hundred hours on it.
Jason
MKIII Classic
BMW R100
Portland OR
Good evening 'fellers'!
I was wondering if anyone of y'all flying a geo
conversions or any other alternatives on Kolb?
I know one guy at Fly Geo group has fitted a 3
cylinder geo conversion on one of the Kolbs.Can't
think of a model but he reported a positive results
back then...
Anyone?
Mitty.
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| Subject: | alternative engines |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
For those interested: browsing through the newspaper I see
new Seadoos for sale with Rotax 1495 cc engines, 4 stroke,
closed loop water cooled, in both 155 hp and 215 hp versions.
Seems to me a handy machinist type could buy one and throw the
boat away and still have a reasonably priced bomb.
155hp GTX $9,599
215hp RXP $10,599
-BB do not archive
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| Subject: | monument valley article |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "b young" <by0ung@brigham.net>
can someone send me a copy of the monument valley article that hit the news
stands durring Oshkosh.
boyd
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "b young" <by0ung@brigham.net>
i took some copper plate ( 1 1/2 inches square) and drilled 2 holes in the center
and ran two copper tubes ( 3/16 ) through the holes and welded them in
place........ bolted the copper plate to the \bottom of the nosecone in the
area of the nose skid..... bent the tubes so they faced forward..... one tube
is left open in the front ( pitot ) soldered the other over and drilled
some holes in the sides ( static ) they are about 2 1/2 inches below the nose
cone..... it works ok for me.
boyd
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| Subject: | Re: monument valley article |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "George E. Thompson" <eagle1@commspeed.net>
Hi Boyd. There is a good article with great pictures in the August issue of
"Sport Pilot" That's the EAA magazine. If you don't take it, you must know
an EAA member close by.
Az. Bald Eagle
----- Original Message -----
From: "b young" <by0ung@brigham.net>
Subject: Kolb-List: monument valley article
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "b young" <by0ung@brigham.net>
>
> can someone send me a copy of the monument valley article that hit the
> news
> stands durring Oshkosh.
>
> boyd
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: possums <possums@mindspring.com>
At 10:19 PM 7/31/2005, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Beauford" <beauford@tampabay.rr.com>
>
>Brother Possum...
>I don't think it was doubled.... I mixed it 80 to 1 in front of amused
>Amsoil-skeptic witnesses... and watched it change color in my
>semi-transparent 5 gal jug.... and then, as earlier mentioned, later dumped
>that in the truck and mixed another batch with Pennzoil
>at 50 to 1 to try a breakin trick... No smoke or abnormal performance,
>just high CHT's...
>Good to hear from you...
>Beauford
"Oil does little or nothing to promote combustion. Low ratios (50-1) will
run cooler than higher ratios of (100-1) using the same oil
regardless of the type."
(the article below has it reversed, but I think he is wrong.)
High CHT readings usually are from:
1. Lack of oil in gas
2. No oil in gas.
3. Poor piston/cylinder lubrication.
4. Broken or slipping fan belt.
5. Blocked cooling air-intake.
6. Fuel mixture too lean.
7. Ignition timing too far advanced.
http://www.800-airwolf.com/pdffiles/ARTICLES/part12.pdf
http://www.800-airwolf.com/pdffiles/ARTICLES/part23.pdf
http://www.800-airwolf.com/pdffiles/ARTICLES/part24.pdf
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Beauford" <beauford@tampabay.rr.com>
Brother Possum...
Thankee for your wisdom and those CPS pages... really good stuff and I
appreciate it. If Beauford weren't so cheap, he'd have
ordered some of that CPS stuff a long time ago.
After some more time out on the 3,000 foot griddle with the Rotax today, I
am about convinced that
carburetion settings and induction leakage are not factors... took off the
intake manifold and examined that
sucker like a pre-nuptial agreement.... it is crackless....gaskets are good
to go.
Just for the record, jacked up the metering rod a notch... tied the tail and
ran it... no change... CHT's off
the scale in 30 seconds at full power...
I am increasingly drawn back to the notion that the rings are not on the
cylinder walls and the pistons are not unloading the heat.
Shame on Beauford for not going the extra 6 inches and re-honing the jugs
when he had 'em off... I think there
is just enough glaze on the walls to cause this problem. Another long time
lister sent me an off-list suggestion that this
scenario made sense to him, too.
Now Beauford faces a real dilemma... Should he order 4 new rings from
Lockwood at an eye-watering $216 a set, or should
he revert to form and just hone the cylinders and pop the old rings back in
there...? The original rings are still installed on
their respective original pistons... However, there is more at stake
in this decision than meets the eye....
Next week is Beauford's 40th wedding anneversary.... and the formidible Mrs.
Beauford is likely to be coming on-line any day
now with some outrageous ideas about how that auspicious event should be
commemorated... Little does she know that cunning
Beauford already has a lavish evening planned, with a movie at the Brandon
12 screen and a ground steak of her choice at the
Ponderosa afterwards... However, if the worst happens and I have to order
the rings from Lockwood, that evening could well
deteriorate to a rental from Blockbuster Video and some take-out from the
fake Chinese joint up the street (I think they're actually
Lebanese)... Obviously, a somewhat less favorable scenario for the evening,
and one like to have substantive adverse implications for
Beauford's social environment for the forseeable future... This is a big
deal.
What I need to know, then, is what is the downside of just putting the old
(130 hours) rings back on their original pistons
after I hone and de-glaze the cylinders...? Are they likely to re-seat
satisfactorily after a standard Rotax break-in session using
Pennzoil air-cooled ?
Any coherent input on this question would be treasured.
Overstressed Beauford
FF-076
Brandon, FL
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----- Original Message -----
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: possums <possums@mindspring.com>
>> "Oil does little or nothing to promote combustion. Low ratios (50-1) will
> run cooler than higher ratios of (100-1) using the same oil
> regardless of the type."
> (the article below has it reversed, but I think he is wrong.)
>
> High CHT readings usually are from:
> 1. Lack of oil in gas
> 2. No oil in gas.
> 3. Poor piston/cylinder lubrication.
> 4. Broken or slipping fan belt.
> 5. Blocked cooling air-intake.
> 6. Fuel mixture too lean.
> 7. Ignition timing too far advanced.
>
> http://www.800-airwolf.com/pdffiles/ARTICLES/part12.pdf
>
> http://www.800-airwolf.com/pdffiles/ARTICLES/part23.pdf
>
> http://www.800-airwolf.com/pdffiles/ARTICLES/part24.pdf
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "ron wehba" <rwehba@pegasusbb.com>
$216 a set ???
no kidding? wow sure am glad i run one of them thar'' military surplus
"motors"
I feel for ya' thou'
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Beauford" <beauford@tampabay.rr.com>
That does NOT include Florida sales tax and UPS shipping....
sigh...
Beauford
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----- Original Message -----
From: "ron wehba" <rwehba@pegasusbb.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Hot Heads
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "ron wehba" <rwehba@pegasusbb.com>
>
> $216 a set ???
> no kidding? wow sure am glad i run one of them thar'' military surplus
> "motors"
> I feel for ya' thou'
>
>
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>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "ron wehba" <rwehba@pegasusbb.com>
that is absolutly crazy,,sorry but i will not run a rotax or any s-stroke,
because of the prices
----- Original Message -----
From: "Beauford" <beauford@tampabay.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Hot Heads
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Beauford" <beauford@tampabay.rr.com>
>
> That does NOT include Florida sales tax and UPS shipping....
> sigh...
> Beauford
> Do not archive
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "ron wehba" <rwehba@pegasusbb.com>
> To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Hot Heads
>
>
>> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "ron wehba" <rwehba@pegasusbb.com>
>>
>> $216 a set ???
>> no kidding? wow sure am glad i run one of them thar'' military surplus
>> "motors"
>> I feel for ya' thou'
>>
>>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "ron wehba" <rwehba@pegasusbb.com>
have had my nose into the whis"" too deep tonite,,had a really shitty day,
hope you understand
but i still don;t like a 2- stroke
----- Original Message -----
From: "Beauford" <beauford@tampabay.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Hot Heads
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Beauford" <beauford@tampabay.rr.com>
>
> That does NOT include Florida sales tax and UPS shipping....
> sigh...
> Beauford
> Do not archive
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "ron wehba" <rwehba@pegasusbb.com>
> To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Hot Heads
>
>
>> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "ron wehba" <rwehba@pegasusbb.com>
>>
>> $216 a set ???
>> no kidding? wow sure am glad i run one of them thar'' military surplus
>> "motors"
>> I feel for ya' thou'
>>
>>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
| sigh...
| Beauford
Beauford/All:
That is highway robbery!!!
Even so, New rings and hone the cylinders is the way I would go. The
new rings are moly coated to assist in seating. The old rings lost
their moly coating many hours ago.
john h
MKIII - 2,370.3 hours
912ULS - 1,024.4
hauck's holler, alabama
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Rusty" <13brv3c@bellsouth.net>
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "ron wehba" <rwehba@pegasusbb.com>
that is absolutly crazy,,sorry but i will not run a rotax or any s-stroke,
because of the prices
-----------------
Hi Ron,
If I'm not mistaken, you're running one of the military surplus generator
engines on a Mini-Max right??? Are you currently flying or building a Kolb?
If so, what are you planning to use for the engine?
Cheers,
Rusty (ain't crazy about two strokes, unless I've got two of them)
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| Subject: | alternative engines |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Rusty" <13brv3c@bellsouth.net>
Greetings,
Why is it we don't here more about the HKS engine on Kolbs? By all
accounts, this has turned into a really sweet engine, and it seems to be
getting installed in lots of planes. The price is kinda steep, but it's
pretty well proven now, so you get what you pay for.
Just curious,
Rusty (single rotor Mazda should be assembled this weekend)
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: possums <possums@mindspring.com>
At 07:12 PM 8/1/2005, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Beauford" <beauford@tampabay.rr.com>
>
>Brother Possum...
>Thankee for your wisdom and those CPS pages... really good stuff and I
>appreciate it. If Beauford weren't so cheap, he'd have
>ordered some of that CPS stuff a long time ago.
>
>What I need to know, then, is what is the downside of just putting the old
>(130 hours) rings back on their original pistons
>after I hone and de-glaze the cylinders...? Are they likely to re-seat
>satisfactorily after a standard Rotax break-in session using
>Pennzoil air-cooled ?
I'm not an engine guy - so I don't know.
If the rings aren't seated properly - it seems the compression should be
low when you did the compression test.
But if you have a pull start, that might be hard to do.
If you don't have a tester - buy one for $25.00 at the auto parts store.
I forgot if you said you have done that or not?
http://www.800-airwolf.com/pdffiles/ARTICLES/part47.pdf
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| Subject: | Slightly better prices |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Beauford" <beauford@tampabay.rr.com>
Kolbers...
FYI -- At L'il Hustler's, found a set of 4 rings for the 447 for about $160 U.S....
That's roughly a $70 plus improvement over Lockwood when
sales tax is included.
Beauford
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "woody" <duesouth@govital.net>
If you use an unlit propane torch it will not be as messy.
..get a can of WD and run at partial throttle and spray the
> boots/intake gaskets etc....if it sucks in the WD the engine will respond,
> if it doesnt...just makes a little mess
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "ron wehba" <rwehba@pegasusbb.com>
yes i am,,had a ultrastar with a cuyuna, and crap wish i had it back,,,had
to sell her!!!and miss it lots, but i do still like my max
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rusty" <13brv3c@bellsouth.net>
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Hot Heads
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Rusty" <13brv3c@bellsouth.net>
>
>
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "ron wehba" <rwehba@pegasusbb.com>
>
> that is absolutly crazy,,sorry but i will not run a rotax or any s-stroke,
> because of the prices
> -----------------
>
>
> Hi Ron,
>
> If I'm not mistaken, you're running one of the military surplus generator
> engines on a Mini-Max right??? Are you currently flying or building a
> Kolb?
> If so, what are you planning to use for the engine?
>
> Cheers,
> Rusty (ain't crazy about two strokes, unless I've got two of them)
>
>
>
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required 4.6, BAYES_44 -0.00, HTML_60_70 0.11, HTML_MESSAGE 0.25)
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" <Lynnp@c-gate.net>
Kolbers,
I lost Kenneth Reeves number along with John Haucks any help would be thankful
pp
Paul Petty
Building Ms. Dixie
Kolbra/912UL/Warp
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "woody" <duesouth@govital.net>
I remember buying new rings for a V.W. The gap for the rings had to be set
for the cylinder by grinding the ends of the rings. Could that be the case
with rotax? Check the gap between the ring ends when the piston is in the
cylinder. If it is to tight it will bind and cause problems once it warms up
a bit. This gap sould be in the factory specs somewhere. Can you replace the
rings with the old ones just to try it out?
> I am increasingly drawn back to the notion that the rings are not on the
> cylinder walls and the pistons are not unloading the heat.
> Shame on Beauford for not going the extra 6 inches and re-honing the jugs
> when he had 'em off... I think there
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Beauford" <beauford@tampabay.rr.com>
Possum...
Compression felt OK just pulling on it, but I did not test it... I have a
tester.
I'm resigned to pulling it down and honing the jugs... once in there, will
look
more closely at those highly valuable rings...
Thanks again...
Beauford
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----- Original Message -----
From: "possums" <possums@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Hot Heads
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: possums <possums@mindspring.com>
>
> At 07:12 PM 8/1/2005, you wrote:
>>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Beauford" <beauford@tampabay.rr.com>
>>
>>Brother Possum...
>>Thankee for your wisdom and those CPS pages... really good stuff and I
>>appreciate it. If Beauford weren't so cheap, he'd have
>>ordered some of that CPS stuff a long time ago.
>>
>>What I need to know, then, is what is the downside of just putting the old
>>(130 hours) rings back on their original pistons
>>after I hone and de-glaze the cylinders...? Are they likely to re-seat
>>satisfactorily after a standard Rotax break-in session using
>>Pennzoil air-cooled ?
>
>
> I'm not an engine guy - so I don't know.
> If the rings aren't seated properly - it seems the compression should be
> low when you did the compression test.
> But if you have a pull start, that might be hard to do.
> If you don't have a tester - buy one for $25.00 at the auto parts store.
> I forgot if you said you have done that or not?
>
> http://www.800-airwolf.com/pdffiles/ARTICLES/part47.pdf
>
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Beauford" <beauford@tampabay.rr.com>
Thanks, John...
I did not know about the moly coating. I wonder how hard it is to seat 'em
without it...?
Beauford
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----- Original Message -----
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Hot Heads
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
>
>
> Beauford/All:
>
> That is highway robbery!!!
>
> Even so, New rings and hone the cylinders is the way I would go. The
> new rings are moly coated to assist in seating. The old rings lost
> their moly coating many hours ago.
>
> john h
> MKIII - 2,370.3 hours
> 912ULS - 1,024.4
> hauck's holler, alabama
>
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Steve Garvelink" <link@cdc.net>
Ring End Gap: Both top and bottom rings should be checked for end gap.
This is done by installing the ring by itself into the top of the
cylinder bore as shown in the illustration.
The ring gap "A" should be .012" to .017" with a wear limit of .039".
You will find that wear in this measurement to be minimal unless your
engine has been exposed to an intense gritty environment. You may also
wish to check the pistons and cylinders for out of roundness while you
have the chance. See your engine's service manual for procedures, specs,
and tolerance.
This came out of airwolfs pdf also if you read on they talk about cross
hatching the honing of the cylinder. This is very important because it
help the cylinder and ring lubricate properly. If they are not at the
proper angle then the oil does not get to the ring. They should form a
45degree cross hatch. See illustration. This may be something to
check.
SRGLINK
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From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Beauford
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Hot Heads
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Beauford" <beauford@tampabay.rr.com>
Possum...
Compression felt OK just pulling on it, but I did not test it... I have
a
tester.
I'm resigned to pulling it down and honing the jugs... once in there,
will
look
more closely at those highly valuable rings...
Thanks again...
Beauford
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From: "possums" <possums@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Hot Heads
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: possums <possums@mindspring.com>
>
> At 07:12 PM 8/1/2005, you wrote:
>>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Beauford" <beauford@tampabay.rr.com>
>>
>>Brother Possum...
>>Thankee for your wisdom and those CPS pages... really good stuff and I
>>appreciate it. If Beauford weren't so cheap, he'd have
>>ordered some of that CPS stuff a long time ago.
>>
>>What I need to know, then, is what is the downside of just putting the
old
>>(130 hours) rings back on their original pistons
>>after I hone and de-glaze the cylinders...? Are they likely to
re-seat
>>satisfactorily after a standard Rotax break-in session using
>>Pennzoil air-cooled ?
>
>
> I'm not an engine guy - so I don't know.
> If the rings aren't seated properly - it seems the compression should
be
> low when you did the compression test.
> But if you have a pull start, that might be hard to do.
> If you don't have a tester - buy one for $25.00 at the auto parts
store.
> I forgot if you said you have done that or not?
>
> http://www.800-airwolf.com/pdffiles/ARTICLES/part47.pdf
>
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Benny Bee <benny_bee_01@yahoo.com>
Beauford,
In the first post i missed the fact that you have
replaced the piston rings.
I know from experience that EVEN an automotive engines
do run heat after re-ring.Give them time to break in
.I would give 10 hours of running time and then
mesure.
Like i mentioned before i am new to Rotax but
principle is the same.
Lawnmowers or motorcycles or automotive engines-all of
them need a break in time.If replacing rings-that
would be a great idea to put a hatch patern on the
walls.There is a hones avaliable from the auto parts
stores.Honning needed for the cylinder walls to hold
oil while rings are setting.
I would imagine two strokes are identical as far as
piston/cylinder goes.
So my advice,if of course still interested would be
put a cross-hatch pattern on the cylinder walls by
honning them lightly(it will not take off enough metal
for concern) and then break in the engine by the
manual WITH RECOMMENDED OIL.
--- woody <duesouth@govital.net> wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "woody"
> <duesouth@govital.net>
>
> I remember buying new rings for a V.W. The gap for
> the rings had to be set
> for the cylinder by grinding the ends of the rings.
> Could that be the case
> with rotax? Check the gap between the ring ends when
> the piston is in the
> cylinder. If it is to tight it will bind and cause
> problems once it warms up
> a bit. This gap sould be in the factory specs
> somewhere. Can you replace the
> rings with the old ones just to try it out?
>
>
> > I am increasingly drawn back to the notion that
> the rings are not on the
> > cylinder walls and the pistons are not unloading
> the heat.
> > Shame on Beauford for not going the extra 6 inches
> and re-honing the jugs
> > when he had 'em off... I think there
>
>
>
> browse
> Subscriptions page,
> FAQ,
>
>
>
>
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Beauford/All:
Have you checked your gauges for accuracy???
If not, they could be your problem.
However, if you had stuck rings to start all these ensuing problems,
I'd go with new ones, and hone the cylinders to knock the glaze off.
Then........run the rings in per the Rotax breakin procedure.
john h
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: HShack@aol.com
In a message dated 8/1/2005 9:12:33 PM Eastern Standard Time,
13brv3c@bellsouth.net writes:
Why is it we don't here more about the HKS engine on Kolbs? By all
accounts, this has turned into a really sweet engine, and it seems to be
getting installed in lots of planes. The price is kinda steep, but it's
pretty well proven now, so you get what you pay for.
I think maybe it's a little too heavey for a FS II & not enough hp for the
others.
Howard Shackleford
FS II
SC
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "George Bass" <gtb@commspeed.net>
Beauford;
With reference to your current dilema, I don't really
see much of a problem here, unless your aircraft
is NOT in a sheltered area or hagar.
Assuming the latter of the 2 scenarios would occur,
(the evening IN, Blockbuster video rental & the fake
Chinese dinner) this would likely force you into some
sort of "seclusion" or "exile" for an unknown period
of time.
What better excuse to become better acquianted with
your best friend (Kolb offspring) and complete those
adjustments/repairs required than to be "sent there"
by your lovely, caring, thoughtful spouse?
Hope this helps to justify your decision,
George Bass
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