---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 08/05/05: 27 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:30 AM - Re: Hot heads (Kirk Smith) 2. 05:51 AM - Re: Rotax's Patented Hell (robert bean) 3. 05:56 AM - Re: Hot heads (Richard Pike) 4. 06:41 AM - Re: Hot heads (Beauford) 5. 06:58 AM - Re: Hot heads (Michael Sharp) 6. 07:11 AM - Re: Hot heads (N27SB@aol.com) 7. 07:40 AM - Electric Start System (jdmurr@juno.com) 8. 08:03 AM - Re: Hot heads (Richard & Martha Neilsen) 9. 08:06 AM - Re: Hot Heads (Bill Vincent) 10. 08:20 AM - Re: Hot heads (Richard Pike) 11. 08:20 AM - Re: Hot heads (John Hauck) 12. 08:21 AM - EGT Probe for 912 (owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com) 13. 08:31 AM - Re: Hot heads (N27SB@aol.com) 14. 08:43 AM - Re: Hot heads (bryan green) 15. 11:32 AM - TNK Homecoming (N27SB@aol.com) 16. 12:45 PM - Re: TNK Homecoming (N27SB@aol.com) 17. 01:00 PM - Re: TNK Homecoming (jdmurr@juno.com) 18. 01:11 PM - Re: TNK Homecoming (Rusty) 19. 02:35 PM - Re: TNK Homecoming (N27SB@aol.com) 20. 02:36 PM - Re: TNK Homecoming (John Hauck) 21. 06:58 PM - working (Paul Petty) 22. 07:02 PM - oops (Paul Petty) 23. 07:03 PM - regards (Paul Petty) 24. 07:23 PM - Re: TNK Homecoming (Tenn Metfan) 25. 08:23 PM - Re: TNK Homecoming (John Hauck) 26. 09:54 PM - Re: Hot heads (Richard Pike) 27. 11:46 PM - Re: working (Larry Bourne) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:30:37 AM PST US From: "Kirk Smith" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Hot heads --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kirk Smith" Been a lot of discussion about the cylinder, rings, carb settings, mixture, etc. What about the expansion chamber? It plays an important part in evacuating the spent gases from the cylinder. Perhaps there is too much reburning of hot gases. What if there's a problem in the expansion chamber? Do not archive ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:51:34 AM PST US From: robert bean Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Rotax's Patented Hell --> Kolb-List message posted by: robert bean -Good to hear the 503 is a decent 2 stroker, because I have 2 friends about to do the first start on their new ones. One had some past experience with one on a new Rans S9, seized on an early flight. This time around another new mill is on a Tiger Cub. The other guy is a total 2 stroke novice with one on his (perpetual build) Flightstar one. Any definite no-nos in regard to break in on this engine that I could casually mention to them? -BB do not archive On 5, Aug 2005, at 1:40 AM, possums wrote: > --> Kolb-List message posted by: possums > > >> >> Am totally baffled as to why this engine is suddenly manufacturing >> large amounts of carbon coke.... >> >> Sure is exciting to be part of the big extended Rotax-owner family... >> >> Please excuse Beauford a moment... he must go to the latrine and >> vomit again... He'll be right back after he cleans up a little >> and makes himself a Martini... >> >> Beauford > > > I hate to see that - I've been there with my old 447 - before it got > water logged. > But--I got still about 500 hours on it first. I did "decarbon" it > several times. > BTW - you can forget trying to keep the carbon off the top of the > pistons. > You can have it "spick & span" and the tops will carbon up in 10 > minutes > of use - but "that carbon" comes and goes. > Your rings seem to be the problem. ...like you didn't know that > already. > It seems you "had to decarbon" your engine since the rings were stuck - > so I can't chastise you with the "don't fix it if it ain't broken" > theory. > After enduring the Cyuna back in the 80's,(which, by-the-way you > could replace for $500) > the 377 Rotax with the wrist pin bearing problems, the 447 Rotax, > which was great after the > other two. > This thing just keeps on running like the Eveready Bunny. > I know it weighs more, and isn't rated for a FireFly ---But, > for the rest of the kids - I would like to say that I am amazed at the > endurance of my "Dual Carb 503 CDI E gear box machine". > Cost in 1999 was $4,300 wholesale including the gearbox, Muffler etc. > 648 + hours. Ain't a bad deal - and it's still running. I think the > 503 is the > best they are going to do on a 2 cycle, 52 HP machine. > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:56:48 AM PST US From: Richard Pike Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Hot heads --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike Yes, and yes, but Beauford's situation still has me scratching my head. Something is still not right with that whole deal. An engine normally is not nearly that critical, they are typically much more tolerant. Normally you expect some variation, but within a smaller and comfortable range. Normally you have to be "coloring outside the lines" before things go really bad. A healthy engine, stock jets, and a prop pitched for around 6250 on climb out ought to be a non-event in terms of drama. Hey Beauford - what diameter prop and how many blades? Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) At 11:31 PM 8/4/05 -0400, you wrote: >--> Kolb-List message posted by: DAquaNut@aol.com > >In a message dated 8/4/2005 11:46:50 A.M. Central Standard Time, >richard@bcchapel.org writes: > >In practice, this works out like this: >More load at X throttle = the engine works harder = CHT up >Less load at X throttle = engine works less = CHT down >Less load at X throttle = higher RPM = leaner mixture = higher EGT >More load at X throttle = lower RPM = richer mixture = lower EGT > > >Richard, > > >Let me see if I have it right. During break-in of a new engine, stock >jets. If the head temp gets to high, approx 80% throttle, Taking pitch >out of >the prop will lower cylinder head temps? I guess that means an engine >propped >for cruising would run with hotter heads than if it were propped for climb. >Is that correct? > > Ed > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:41:13 AM PST US From: "Beauford" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Hot heads --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Beauford" Richard: It is a 66" IVO two-blade. This whole thing really has me way beyond baffled... I agree with you... something is fundamentally wrong with this picture. I'm going to order some new rings here in a minute, clean up the pistons and bores, scrub off the carbon and have another go at it next week. I have another Bing, a new one off an 8-hour 447 I bought for parts after an accident... I think I will verify the jetting and metering rod in it and substitute it for the one on "Dameon" before I run him again... I'll also defer to you more experienced 2-strokers and lighten up on the prop to turn 6200 or 6300 static vice the 6000 it was set for yesterday. Wheee....!!! Beauford ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Pike" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Hot heads > --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike > > Yes, and yes, but Beauford's situation still has me scratching my head. > Something is still not right with that whole deal. > An engine normally is not nearly that critical, they are typically > much more tolerant. Normally you expect some variation, but > within a smaller and comfortable range. Normally you have to > be "coloring outside the lines" before things go really bad. > > A healthy engine, stock jets, and a prop pitched for around 6250 > on climb out ought to be a non-event in terms of drama. > > Hey Beauford - what diameter prop and how many blades? > > Richard Pike > MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) > > At 11:31 PM 8/4/05 -0400, you wrote: > >>--> Kolb-List message posted by: DAquaNut@aol.com >> >>In a message dated 8/4/2005 11:46:50 A.M. Central Standard Time, >>richard@bcchapel.org writes: >> >>In practice, this works out like this: >>More load at X throttle = the engine works harder = CHT up >>Less load at X throttle = engine works less = CHT down >>Less load at X throttle = higher RPM = leaner mixture = higher EGT >>More load at X throttle = lower RPM = richer mixture = lower EGT >> >> >>Richard, >> >> >>Let me see if I have it right. During break-in of a new engine, stock >>jets. If the head temp gets to high, approx 80% throttle, Taking pitch >>out of >>the prop will lower cylinder head temps? I guess that means an engine >>propped >>for cruising would run with hotter heads than if it were propped for >>climb. >>Is that correct? >> >> Ed >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:58:30 AM PST US From: Michael Sharp Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Hot heads --> Kolb-List message posted by: Michael Sharp Beauford, I guess your celebration has become, Blockbuster and Chinese/Lebanese? I'm sure those of us on the list could start a fund to help with the meal. I pledge my two bits! Good Luck with the engine as well as the Mrs. M Do Not Archive Beauford wrote: --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Beauford" Richard: It is a 66" IVO two-blade. This whole thing really has me way beyond baffled... I agree with you... something is fundamentally wrong with this picture. I'm going to order some new rings here in a minute, clean up the pistons and bores, scrub off the carbon and have another go at it next week. I have another Bing, a new one off an 8-hour 447 I bought for parts after an accident... I think I will verify the jetting and metering rod in it and substitute it for the one on "Dameon" before I run him again... I'll also defer to you more experienced 2-strokers and lighten up on the prop to turn 6200 or 6300 static vice the 6000 it was set for yesterday. Wheee....!!! Beauford ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Pike" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Hot heads > --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike > > Yes, and yes, but Beauford's situation still has me scratching my head. > Something is still not right with that whole deal. > An engine normally is not nearly that critical, they are typically > much more tolerant. Normally you expect some variation, but > within a smaller and comfortable range. Normally you have to > be "coloring outside the lines" before things go really bad. > > A healthy engine, stock jets, and a prop pitched for around 6250 > on climb out ought to be a non-event in terms of drama. > > Hey Beauford - what diameter prop and how many blades? > > Richard Pike > MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) > > At 11:31 PM 8/4/05 -0400, you wrote: > >>--> Kolb-List message posted by: DAquaNut@aol.com >> >>In a message dated 8/4/2005 11:46:50 A.M. Central Standard Time, >>richard@bcchapel.org writes: >> >>In practice, this works out like this: >>More load at X throttle = the engine works harder = CHT up >>Less load at X throttle = engine works less = CHT down >>Less load at X throttle = higher RPM = leaner mixture = higher EGT >>More load at X throttle = lower RPM = richer mixture = lower EGT >> >> >>Richard, >> >> >>Let me see if I have it right. During break-in of a new engine, stock >>jets. If the head temp gets to high, approx 80% throttle, Taking pitch >>out of >>the prop will lower cylinder head temps? I guess that means an engine >>propped >>for cruising would run with hotter heads than if it were propped for >>climb. >>Is that correct? >> >> Ed >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:11:04 AM PST US From: N27SB@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Hot heads --> Kolb-List message posted by: N27SB@aol.com In a message dated 8/5/05 7:57:28 AM Central Daylight Time, richard@bcchapel.org writes: > In practice, this works out like this: > >More load at X throttle = the engine works harder = CHT up > >Less load at X throttle = engine works less = CHT down > >Less load at X throttle = higher RPM = leaner mixture = higher EGT > >More load at X throttle = lower RPM = richer mixture = lower EGT > > > OK Guys, Now I am really confused, my 447 does not act that way. At my current pitch setting if I am flying at 6000 rpm and I descend at that throttle setting, My cht goes up. If I pull back and climb, cht goes down. That made sense to me because those changes would lean and richen respectfully. What am I missing here/ Steve ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:40:51 AM PST US From: "jdmurr@juno.com" Subject: Kolb-List: Electric Start System --> Kolb-List message posted by: "jdmurr@juno.com" I have a 503 DC/DI and would like to add an electric starter system. Could someone please give me advise on acquiring (where) and installing all the needed components for this installation including what battery to use? Thank you. John Murr Try Juno Platinum for Free! Then, only $9.95/month! Visit http://www.juno.com/value to sign up today! ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:03:48 AM PST US From: "Richard & Martha Neilsen" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Hot heads --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard & Martha Neilsen" I'm a 4 stroke only person but high temps normally say "I'm too lean". I know you didn't change anything that you know of but if, when you do your next break in run, the temps start getting high how about trying richer jets. There are a bunch of things that can effect the mixture. Carb problems, intake leaks, crank seals, rotary/reed valves, exhaust systems, gaskets, etc all can change that mixture. On the way back from Oshkosh I spent an hour scratching my head along with a Kitfox pilot trying to figure out why his new HKS wasn't running right. I left before I lost any more hair, so I don't know were the problem was. Four strokes aren't all created equal so don't go and switch to a less reliable 4 stroke (Is that possible?) Hang in there Bill. Rick Neilsen Redrive VW powered MKIIIc ----- Original Message ----- From: "Beauford" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Hot heads > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Beauford" > > Richard: It is a 66" IVO two-blade. > > This whole thing really has me way beyond baffled... I agree with you... > something is fundamentally wrong with this picture. > > I'm going to order some new rings here in a minute, clean up the pistons > and > bores, scrub off the carbon and > have another go at it next week. I have another Bing, a new one off an > 8-hour 447 I bought for parts after an accident... I think I will > verify the jetting and metering rod in it and substitute it for the one on > "Dameon" before I run him > again... I'll also defer to you more experienced 2-strokers and lighten up > on the prop to turn > 6200 or 6300 static vice the 6000 it was set for yesterday. > > Wheee....!!! > > Beauford > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Richard Pike" > To: > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Hot heads > > >> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike >> >> Yes, and yes, but Beauford's situation still has me scratching my head. >> Something is still not right with that whole deal. >> An engine normally is not nearly that critical, they are typically >> much more tolerant. Normally you expect some variation, but >> within a smaller and comfortable range. Normally you have to >> be "coloring outside the lines" before things go really bad. >> >> A healthy engine, stock jets, and a prop pitched for around 6250 >> on climb out ought to be a non-event in terms of drama. >> >> Hey Beauford - what diameter prop and how many blades? >> >> Richard Pike >> MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) >> >> At 11:31 PM 8/4/05 -0400, you wrote: >> >>>--> Kolb-List message posted by: DAquaNut@aol.com >>> >>>In a message dated 8/4/2005 11:46:50 A.M. Central Standard Time, >>>richard@bcchapel.org writes: >>> >>>In practice, this works out like this: >>>More load at X throttle = the engine works harder = CHT up >>>Less load at X throttle = engine works less = CHT down >>>Less load at X throttle = higher RPM = leaner mixture = higher EGT >>>More load at X throttle = lower RPM = richer mixture = lower EGT >>> >>> >>>Richard, >>> >>> >>>Let me see if I have it right. During break-in of a new engine, stock >>>jets. If the head temp gets to high, approx 80% throttle, Taking pitch >>>out of >>>the prop will lower cylinder head temps? I guess that means an engine >>>propped >>>for cruising would run with hotter heads than if it were propped for >>>climb. >>>Is that correct? >>> >>> Ed >>> >>> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:06:55 AM PST US From: "Bill Vincent" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Hot Heads --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bill Vincent" Beauford If there is trouble with the gearbox ..bad bearing..low on grease..would that cause higher CHT or would it show up on the RPMs ?? Bill Vincent FS2 Do not archive ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:20:26 AM PST US From: Richard Pike Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Hot heads --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike Not a clue. Hmmm...CHT sensor attached to the exhaust manifold? (Sorry, couldn't resist...) Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) do not archive At 10:10 AM 8/5/05 -0400, you wrote: >--> Kolb-List message posted by: N27SB@aol.com > >In a message dated 8/5/05 7:57:28 AM Central Daylight Time, >richard@bcchapel.org writes: > > > In practice, this works out like this: > > >More load at X throttle = the engine works harder = CHT up > > >Less load at X throttle = engine works less = CHT down > > >Less load at X throttle = higher RPM = leaner mixture = higher EGT > > >More load at X throttle = lower RPM = richer mixture = lower EGT > > > > > > >OK Guys, Now I am really confused, my 447 does not act that way. At my >current pitch setting if I am flying at 6000 rpm and I descend at that >throttle >setting, My cht goes up. If I pull back and climb, cht goes down. That made >sense to me because those changes would lean and richen >respectfully. What am I >missing here/ > >Steve > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:20:27 AM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Hot heads --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" At my | current pitch setting if I am flying at 6000 rpm and I descend at that throttle | setting, My cht goes up. If I pull back and climb, cht goes down. That made | sense to me because those changes would lean and richen respectfully. What am I | missing here/ | 't h | Steve Steve/Gang: Sounds like you have the cht and egt gauges wired backwards. Unloading engine should bring cht down and egt up. Loading it brings cht up and egt down. Hard to believe my weed eater is doing all these things at 10,000 rpm and I don't have gauges to monitor. Reference carbon on piston tops: It is normal on 2 and 4 stroke engines to have some carbon. This small amount of carbon acts as an insulator, reducing some of the combustion heat from being transmitted to the piston top. This info was passed on to me by a well know engine builder many years ago when I was flying in front of a 447. john h MKIII/912ULS ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 08:21:35 AM PST US From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com --> Kolb-List message posted by: From: Kirby Dennis Contr MDA/AL Subject: EGT Probe for 912 Kolb Friends - I am in the final stages of the 912 installation for my Mark-III. The engine was originally equipped with an EGT probe in the exhaust pipe. Since I do not intend to use an EGT gauge in my plane, I removed the probe. What's left is a 1/8" hole in the exhaust pipe, and I understand it is NOT recommended that the engine be run with this hole uncovered. My question is: What's the recommended way to seal this old EGT hole? Many thanks - Dennis Kirby Cedar Crest, NM ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 08:31:04 AM PST US From: N27SB@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Hot heads --> Kolb-List message posted by: N27SB@aol.com In a message dated 8/5/05 10:21:14 AM Central Daylight Time, jhauck@elmore.rr.com writes: > Steve/Gang: > > Sounds like you have the cht and egt gauges wired backwards. > > Unloading engine should bring cht down and egt up. Loading it brings > cht up and egt down. > Thanks John, Probably not the gauges backwards, might be my memory. I am still pretty busy learning about the plane and all of the other demands of water flying. I have mostly been concerned with everything being in the green. Next time I fly I think I will take some notes. Steve FireFly #007 do not archive ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 08:43:44 AM PST US From: bryan green Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Hot heads --> Kolb-List message posted by: bryan green John Hauck wrote: >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" > >At my >| current pitch setting if I am flying at 6000 rpm and I descend at >that throttle >| setting, My cht goes up. If I pull back and climb, cht goes down. >That made >| sense to me because those changes would lean and richen >respectfully. What am I >| missing here/ >| 't h > > >Reference carbon on piston tops: It is normal on 2 and 4 stroke >engines to have some carbon. This small amount of carbon acts as an >insulator, reducing some of the combustion heat from being transmitted >to the piston top. This info was passed on to me by a well know >engine builder many years ago when I was flying in front of a 447. > >john h >MKIII/912ULS > > Hi John , Beauford and all I agree with john just clean the carbon off the top of the piston that will come off easy. The hard coating needs to be there. Beauford you have gotten a lot of good opinions on this so here goes mine. Your suckin air my man! You have a gasket or seal leaking and this is leaning the mixture, check your intake and crank seals. FWIW Bryan Green Elgin SC > > > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 11:32:15 AM PST US From: N27SB@aol.com Subject: Kolb-List: TNK Homecoming --> Kolb-List message posted by: N27SB@aol.com To All, I talked to Travis today at Kolb and he asked if I would post the dates for the 2005 Annual Fly-In. It is scheduled for Sept 23rd and 24th. That should be a Thursday and a Friday. If you have any questions you can call him at 606-862-9692. He is about 400 E Mails behind so calling would be better. Steve ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 12:45:22 PM PST US From: N27SB@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: TNK Homecoming --> Kolb-List message posted by: N27SB@aol.com In a message dated 8/5/2005 3:37:16 PM Eastern Standard Time, N27SB@aol.com writes: > --> Kolb-List message posted by: N27SB@aol.com > > To All, > > I talked to Travis today at Kolb and he asked if I would post the dates for > the 2005 Annual Fly-In. It is scheduled for Sept 23rd and 24th. That > should > be a Thursday and a Friday. If you have any questions you can call him at > 606-862-9692. He is about 400 E Mails behind so calling would be better. > > > Steve > CORRECTION Sorry, The Kolb Fly In is a Friday and Saturday and the date is still Sept 23 and 24. Had an old calendar. Steve ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 01:00:28 PM PST US From: "jdmurr@juno.com" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: TNK Homecoming --> Kolb-List message posted by: "jdmurr@juno.com" Does anyone have the coordinates? Thanks! John -- N27SB@aol.com wrote: --> Kolb-List message posted by: N27SB@aol.com In a message dated 8/5/2005 3:37:16 PM Eastern Standard Time, N27SB@aol.com writes: > --> Kolb-List message posted by: N27SB@aol.com > > To All, > > I talked to Travis today at Kolb and he asked if I would post the dates for > the 2005 Annual Fly-In. It is scheduled for Sept 23rd and 24th. That > should > be a Thursday and a Friday. If you have any questions you can call him at > 606-862-9692. He is about 400 E Mails behind so calling would be better. > > > Steve > CORRECTION Sorry, The Kolb Fly In is a Friday and Saturday and the date is still Sept 23 and 24. Had an old calendar. Steve Try Juno Platinum for Free! Then, only $9.95/month! Visit http://www.juno.com/value to sign up today! ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 01:11:02 PM PST US From: "Rusty" <13brv3c@bellsouth.net> Subject: RE: Kolb-List: TNK Homecoming --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Rusty" <13brv3c@bellsouth.net> Does anyone have the coordinates? Thanks! John Hi John, Here's the Lat/Long from the AirNav site: Lat/Long: 37-09-04.0000N / 084-15-27.0000W 37-09.066667N / 084-15.450000W 37.1511111 / -84.2575000 The AirNav site has lots of other info too: http://www.airnav.com/airport/3KY2 Cheers, Rusty (yes Steve, they print a new calendar EVERY year ) ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 02:35:22 PM PST US From: N27SB@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: TNK Homecoming --> Kolb-List message posted by: N27SB@aol.com In a message dated 8/5/2005 4:36:56 PM Eastern Standard Time, 13brv3c@bellsouth.net writes: > Cheers, > Rusty (yes Steve, they print a new calendar EVERY year ) > > Yes but I like Miss September from last year steve do not archive ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 02:36:25 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: TNK Homecoming --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" | the 2005 Annual Fly-In. It is scheduled for Sept 23rd and 24th. That should | be a Thursday and a Friday. | Steve Steve/Gang: Travis is using wrong year. 23 and 24 will be more like Fri and Sat, as usual. ;-) john h ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 06:58:52 PM PST US From: "Paul Petty" Subject: Kolb-List: working required 4.6, BAYES_44 -0.00, HTML_MESSAGE 0.25) --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" Kolbers, Guys it has been hot ...damn hot to be honest ..however still plugging along. Today I went to the shop pondered many things but after a long week I just cleaned up took a few pics and called it a night. Our new member to the list Mitty.. is planning to visit this weekend. He wants to build a Ultra star from scratch. I like this idea. If any of you remember way back when I found this Kolb list I was seeking info about a ultralight that I found on the internet. Turns out it was Dennis performing loops in a Ultrastar with very short landing gear. More like a quicksilver. I for one would love to find those pictures... The Ultra star was my first pic but after two visits to TNK guess what .... dead up in a high dollar Kolbra! yeeee haaaa If any one can find those pics of Dennis inverted in that unpainted plain high boom ultra I would sure like to archive them... It was the struts over the king post and wires approach that drew me to Kolb aircraft in the first place. as for up dated pics of Ms Dixie here ya have it! http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/P8050001.JPG http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/P8050002.JPG http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/P8050003.JPG http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/P8050005.JPG ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 07:02:01 PM PST US From: "Paul Petty" Subject: Kolb-List: oops required 4.6, BAYES_44 -0.00, HTML_60_70 0.11, HTML_MESSAGE 0.25) --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" Hit the wrong key sorry guys http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/P8050007.JPG http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/P8050008.JPG Paul Petty Building Ms. Dixie Kolbra/912UL/Warp do not archive ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 07:03:00 PM PST US From: "Paul Petty" Subject: Kolb-List: regards required 4.6, BAYES_30 -0.90, HTML_70_80 0.10, HTML_MESSAGE 0.25) --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" Take Care all Do not archive pp ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 07:23:46 PM PST US From: Tenn Metfan Subject: Re: Kolb-List: TNK Homecoming --> Kolb-List message posted by: Tenn Metfan Can a Kolb wannabe drive in? Checked MapQuest says I am 4 hours and 270 miles away..., any place for a motorhome to park nearby? John Hauck wrote:--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" | the 2005 Annual Fly-In. It is scheduled for Sept 23rd and 24th. That should | be a Thursday and a Friday. | Steve Steve/Gang: Travis is using wrong year. 23 and 24 will be more like Fri and Sat, as usual. ;-) john h --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 08:23:52 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: TNK Homecoming --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" | | Can a Kolb wannabe drive in? Checked MapQuest says I am 4 hours and 270 miles away..., any place for a motorhome to park nearby? Howdy: Everybody is welcome at the Annual Kolb Homecoming. However, we like to know who we are talking to. ;-) If you sign your name to your posts, and where you are from, then we'll know. Take care, john h MKIII/912ULS Titus, Alabama DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 09:54:55 PM PST US From: Richard Pike Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Hot heads --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike Ok, Beauford - Just in case you didn't have enough to think about... Back on 7/23, when you were putting your engine back together, you found that the wire from the trigger circuit to the ignition module was missing it's insulation, and you suggested that perhaps it was defective insulation. I wonder if that was actually a heads up to show you the real problem all along? What if the real problem is a partial ignition failure or other glitch that is making your engine keep cannibalizing itself, and all this other foofaraw that you have been chasing after is unrelated to what is actually the problem? Which is that there is something wrong with the ignition? And the insulation that was gone from the wiring was a hint that something got too hot and melted it off? Any way you can put a timing light on that puppy the next time you fire it up and see what it is actually doing? Or figure out some way to verify that the ignition system is actually doing what it is supposed to, and not doing more harm than good? "We must fall back upon the old axiom that when all other contingencies fail, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth." Sherlock Holmes - The Adventure of Bruce-Partington Plans (1908) Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ld Poops) do not archive ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 11:46:41 PM PST US From: "Larry Bourne" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: working --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" I think the sequence is on the early Kolb promotional VHS tape. I haven't looked at it in years, so won't promise, but I sure think so. Lar. Do not Archive. Larry Bourne Palm Springs, CA Building Kolb Mk III N78LB Vamoose www.gogittum.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Petty" Subject: Kolb-List: working > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" > > Kolbers, > Guys it has been hot ...damn hot to be honest ..however still plugging > along. Today I went to the shop pondered many things but after a long week > I just cleaned up took a few pics and called it a night. Our new member to > the list Mitty.. is planning to visit this weekend. He wants to build a > Ultra star from scratch. I like this idea. If any of you remember way back > when I found this Kolb list I was seeking info about a ultralight that I > found on the internet. Turns out it was Dennis performing loops in a > Ultrastar with very short landing gear. More like a quicksilver. I for one > would love to find those pictures... The Ultra star was my first pic but > after two visits to TNK guess what .... dead up in a high dollar Kolbra! > yeeee haaaa > If any one can find those pics of Dennis inverted in that unpainted plain > high boom ultra I would sure like to archive them... > > It was the struts over the king post and wires approach that drew me to > Kolb aircraft in the first place. > > as for up dated pics of Ms Dixie here ya have it! > > http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/P8050001.JPG > > http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/P8050002.JPG > > http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/P8050003.JPG > http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/P8050005.JPG > > >