Today's Message Index:
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1. 02:49 AM - Re: 925 Battery (Jim Ballenger)
2. 02:51 AM - Re: Electric Start System (Jim Ballenger)
3. 04:27 AM - Re: TNK Homecoming (Tenn Metfan)
4. 05:44 AM - Prop Pitch and Spacer (Jim Ballinger) (Cat36Fly@aol.com)
5. 06:17 AM - Re: TNK Homecoming (woody)
6. 06:57 AM - Re: Hot heads (Beauford)
7. 06:59 AM - Re: TNK Homecoming (John Hauck)
8. 07:15 AM - 447 Prop Pitch60 (John Hauck)
9. 08:36 AM - Re: TNK Homecoming (N27SB@aol.com)
10. 10:03 AM - Re: Prop Pitch and Spacer (Jim Ballinger) (Jim Ballenger)
11. 11:08 AM - CDI conversion (flykolb)
12. 11:23 AM - (non-Kolb) AirCam Alaska Pics (Rusty)
13. 12:28 PM - Re: (Larry Cottrell)
14. 12:40 PM - Re: Re: (Larry Bourne)
15. 03:00 PM - Re: CDI conversion (Richard Pike)
16. 03:56 PM - Re: CDI conversion (Beauford)
17. 06:09 PM - Re: Prop Pitch and Spacer (Jim Ballinger) (Cat36Fly@aol.com)
18. 06:50 PM - NOMEX- Wear it!!! (Rusty)
19. 07:07 PM - Re: NOMEX- Wear it!!! (dama)
20. 08:59 PM - Re: NOMEX- Wear it!!! (Chuck Stonex)
21. 09:02 PM - Re: NOMEX- Wear it!!! (Richard & Martha Neilsen)
22. 09:12 PM - Re: NOMEX- Wear it!!! (John Hauck)
23. 10:30 PM - Re: Re: (Dan Charter)
24. 10:52 PM - Re: NOMEX- Wear it!!! (Dan Charter)
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jim Ballenger" <ulpilot@cavtel.net>
Dallas
I ordered mine, a 625, from batteries4everything.com. Total cost was $72.
Jim Ballenger
Selling a FS KXP 447
Flying a MK III X
Virginia Beach, VA
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Dallas Shepherd" <cen23954@centurytel.net>
Subject: Kolb-List: 925 Battery
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dallas Shepherd"
<cen23954@centurytel.net>
>
> What is the address where you guys are getting the 925 battery
> shipped to you for your Kolbs? I recall you paid $100 for them and did
that
> include shipping?
> Dallas Shepherd
> Norfork, Ar.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Electric Start System |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jim Ballenger" <ulpilot@cavtel.net>
John
Call Travis at TNK. He can fix you up with a starter system.
Jim Ballenger
Selling a FS KXP 447
Flying a MK III X
Virginia Beach, VA
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----- Original Message -----
From: <jdmurr@juno.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: Electric Start System
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "jdmurr@juno.com" <jdmurr@juno.com>
>
>
> I have a 503 DC/DI and would like to add an electric starter system.
Could someone please give me advise on acquiring (where) and installing all
the needed components for this installation including what battery to use?
Thank you.
>
> John Murr
>
> Try Juno Platinum for Free! Then, only $9.95/month!
> Visit http://www.juno.com/value to sign up today!
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: TNK Homecoming |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Tenn Metfan <tnmetfanbeckett@yahoo.com>
John,
Thank you for the reply, and the hint on message list etiquette. I am new to the
list, and promise I will learn to act proper! I have been a fan of Kolb aircraft
since my first visit to OSH in 94 (your flight to Alaska that year was a
huge catalyst to my interest), and have waited years for all of lifes variables
to finally allow me the opportunity to realize the dream to own one.
I have opted to search for a used craft (fully intend to build one eventually),
but since I had a not so pleasant experience with a used ultralight several years
ago (bought a Sorrell Hyperlight that was a rebuilt wreck, but was not told),
I wanted to learn as much about Kolbs as possible before I made a purchase.
This list has been a great source of information (and I enjoy the humor too),
and I hope to be a part of it for a long time!
I know I have already gone on for to long already, but wanted to give you a little
info about where I am in the process of becoming a Kolb owner. I look forward
to becoming more involved with the list, and am sure I will have many questions,
but hope I will be able to share in someway to repay for the knowledge
gained.
Mike Schnabel
Manchester, Tennessee
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John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com> wrote:
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck"
|
| Can a Kolb wannabe drive in? Checked MapQuest says I am 4 hours and
270 miles away..., any place for a motorhome to park nearby?
Howdy:
Everybody is welcome at the Annual Kolb Homecoming.
However, we like to know who we are talking to. ;-)
If you sign your name to your posts, and where you are from, then
we'll know.
Take care,
john h
MKIII/912ULS
Titus, Alabama
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| Subject: | Prop Pitch and Spacer (Jim Ballinger) |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Cat36Fly@aol.com
Jim:
Delaware Kolber here! I am ready to hang the prop on my MK lll X and have a
couple of questions. We are using the same prop I beleive (3 blade warp
drive) and engine (582). Did you need a prop spacer on yours and what blade pitch
did you wind up with after testing?
I understand you have a few hours under your belt now and I am green with
envy. I have set a drop dead date of the end of Sept to have 615RT in the air.
What airport are you flying from? I might take a 4 hr drive to watch you
sometime.
Any surprises with your test flights?
Larry Tasker
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| Subject: | Re: TNK Homecoming |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "woody" <duesouth@govital.net>
Thurs Fri ????? Wouldn't it be more sensible to have it Friday and Sat? More
people would attend.
----- Original Message -----
From: <N27SB@aol.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: TNK Homecoming
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: N27SB@aol.com
>
> To All,
>
> I talked to Travis today at Kolb and he asked if I would post the dates
for
> the 2005 Annual Fly-In. It is scheduled for Sept 23rd and 24th. That
should
> be a Thursday and a Friday. If you have any questions you can call him at
> 606-862-9692. He is about 400 E Mails behind so calling would be better.
>
>
> Steve
>
>
> --
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Beauford" <beauford@tampabay.rr.com>
Brother Pike ...
You may have something there... and I have idly speculated that it could be
some sort of ignition problem
getting it hot because of retarded spark or some such... and Brother Green
may have something with his air-leak theory, too...
As much as I dread it, I may just be driven over the big Lockwood cliff
here... along with all the other Rotax lemmings....
If I survive the anniversary trial on Monday, Tuesday daylight may well find
me up that ladder again taking this thing off the
kleenex airplane to carry over to Sebring to leave with the guys covered
with a light coat of oil and wearing the black hoods.
Wish my oldest kid was still living here... I understand Lockwood accepts
first-born sons as deposits for 447 work...
It's gut-check time... Gonna be a long weekend...
Beauford
FF #076
Brandon, FL
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Pike" <richard@bcchapel.org>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Hot heads
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org>
>
> Ok, Beauford - Just in case you didn't have enough to think about... Back
> on 7/23, when you were putting your engine back together, you found that
> the wire from the trigger circuit to the ignition module was missing it's
> insulation, and you suggested that perhaps it was defective insulation. I
> wonder if that was actually a heads up to show you the real problem all
> along?
>
> What if the real problem is a partial ignition failure or other glitch
> that
> is making your engine keep cannibalizing itself, and all this other
> foofaraw that you have been chasing after is unrelated to what is actually
> the problem? Which is that there is something wrong with the ignition? And
> the insulation that was gone from the wiring was a hint that something got
> too hot and melted it off?
>
> Any way you can put a timing light on that puppy the next time you fire it
> up and see what it is actually doing? Or figure out some way to verify
> that
> the ignition system is actually doing what it is supposed to, and not
> doing
> more harm than good?
>
> "We must fall back upon the old axiom that when all other contingencies
> fail, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth."
> Sherlock Holmes - The Adventure of Bruce-Partington Plans (1908)
>
> Richard Pike
> MKIII N420P (420ld Poops)
>
> do not archive
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: TNK Homecoming |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
| I know I have already gone on for to long already, but wanted to
give you a little info about where I am in the process of becoming a
Kolb owner. I look forward to becoming more involved with the list,
and am sure I will have many questions, but hope I will be able to
share in someway to repay for the knowledge gained.
|
|
| Mike Schnabel
|
| Manchester, Tennessee
Morning Mike/All:
Welcome aboard.
Be sure to be at The 2005 Kolb Home Coming. The more you are exposed
to Kolbs and Kolb people, the more you will learn about both. This
should make selection of the right Kolb for you a little easier.
Some of us will try to get to London a day or so early this year.
Take care,
john h
MKIII/912ULS
Titus, Alabama
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| Subject: | 447 Prop Pitch60 |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Beauford/Gang:
Back in the day of my original Firestar, kits were shipped with fixed
pitch wooden props. Homer wouldn't sell me a 377 for my Firestar, so
I horse traded the 377 for a 447. Flew that 447 with a Jim Culver
32X60. Tried a GSC 30X60 once. Flew it to Lakeland in 1989, but it
would pitched a little too light.
How does the 32X60 compare to the 66 inch prop and pitch you are
running on your 447? I am still leaning more to over pitched prop as
your major problem for high CHT's. If it was fuel or timing, EGT's
would be a major factor long before the CHT got hot.
Accuracy of gauges should probably be checked.
john h
Titus, Alabama
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| Subject: | Re: TNK Homecoming |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: N27SB@aol.com
In a message dated 8/6/2005 9:17:48 AM Eastern Standard Time,
duesouth@govital.net writes:
>
> Thurs Fri ????? Wouldn't it be more sensible to have it Friday and Sat? More
> people would attend.
> ----- Original Message -----
OK OK I admit it, I looked at the wrong calendar :-) Travis is innocent.
But you have to admit that it sure has a lot of people thinking about the
Fly In. I guess that a wrong news story gets more attention than a right one.
Hope to see everyone there. Uh that's Friday and Saturday, Right.
Steve
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| Subject: | Re: Prop Pitch and Spacer (Jim Ballinger) |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jim Ballenger" <ulpilot@cavtel.net>
Larry
I am not using a spacer. I am currently pitched at 10.5 degrees on the taper
tip warp drive prop. This gives me almost 6200 on climb out with all the
temps in the green so to speak. I am trying to decide if I want to back it
down to 9.5 degrees, if I do I'll let you know on it behaves.
One thing I have learned, you must have air scoops on your twin radiators or
you'll run hot with the water temps. I have finally stumbled on the right
combination for each side. The exhaust side needs to shield the radiator
from hot air coming from the muffler and at the same time funnel air around
the oil reservoir into the radiator. I'll take some pictures and send them
to you.
Good luck and keep at it. You'll love the airplane and engine combination.
I had to raise my HZ stab LE about 2 1/2 inches to keep my trim in check.
My first flight was with the stick at an arms length to keep the nose from
coming up and stalling the wing.
You are welcome to come down to CPK and look mine over if you want to. I
have 27.9 hours on it now. I hope to have my 40 flown off in time to make
TNK fly in.
Jim Ballenger
selling a FS KXP 447
Flying a MK III X
Virginia Beach, VA
----- Original Message -----
From: <Cat36Fly@aol.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: Prop Pitch and Spacer (Jim Ballinger)
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Cat36Fly@aol.com
>
> Jim:
>
> Delaware Kolber here! I am ready to hang the prop on my MK lll X and have
a
> couple of questions. We are using the same prop I beleive (3 blade warp
> drive) and engine (582). Did you need a prop spacer on yours and what
blade pitch
> did you wind up with after testing?
>
> I understand you have a few hours under your belt now and I am green with
> envy. I have set a drop dead date of the end of Sept to have 615RT in the
air.
> What airport are you flying from? I might take a 4 hr drive to watch you
> sometime.
>
> Any surprises with your test flights?
>
> Larry Tasker
>
> Do not Archive
>
>
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1.30 DATE_IN_FUTURE_06_12 Date: is 6 to 12 hours after Received: date
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "flykolb" <flykolb@carolina.rr.com>
Kolbers,
I have a Rotax 532 and am thinking of sending it to steve at Airscrew to convert
from points ot CDI. Any experience or comments?
Jim
Mark III
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| Subject: | (non-Kolb) AirCam Alaska Pics |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Rusty" <13brv3c@bellsouth.net>
Greetings,
Along with my thoughts of twin engine slingshots, I naturally ended up
looking through aircam info. Here is a page that shows some awesome pics of
a trip through Canada and Alaska, via aircam.
http://xpda.com/alaska02/
Enjoy,
Rusty (single rotor SS engine being assemble this weekend)
do not archive
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Cottrell" <lcottrel@kfalls.net>
Dennis,
I am sure that a standard pipe plug of the proper size would do the job.
Larry
----- Original Message -----
From: <owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com>
> --> Kolb-List message posted by:
>
> From: Kirby Dennis Contr MDA/AL <Dennis.Kirby@kirtland.af.mil>
> To: "'kolb-list@matronics.com'" <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: EGT Probe for 912
> Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 16:18:34 +0100
>
> Kolb Friends -
>
> I am in the final stages of the 912 installation for my Mark-III.
>
> The engine was originally equipped with an EGT probe in the exhaust pipe.
> Since I do not intend to use an EGT gauge in my plane, I removed the
> probe.
> What's left is a 1/8" hole in the exhaust pipe, and I understand it is NOT
> recommended that the engine be run with this hole uncovered.
>
> My question is: What's the recommended way to seal this old EGT hole?
>
> Many thanks -
> Dennis Kirby
> Cedar Crest, NM
>
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Yah, that'll work fine if there's a threaded fitting in the pipe. On
Vamoose there's just holes, and the probes are held in with a (factory
supplied) hose clamp. Seems like, if you have a setup like mine, you could
cut a small piece off an exhaust gasket and hold it in place with a hose
clamp. Lar.
P.S. I thought you were off into the woods, hills, and wild blue yonder,
Larry. Whatcha doing at home ?? Do not Archive.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Building Kolb Mk III
N78LB Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry Cottrell" <lcottrel@kfalls.net>
Subject: Kolb-List: Re:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Cottrell" <lcottrel@kfalls.net>
>
> Dennis,
> I am sure that a standard pipe plug of the proper size would do the job.
> Larry
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com>
> To:
>
>
>> --> Kolb-List message posted by:
>>
>> From: Kirby Dennis Contr MDA/AL <Dennis.Kirby@kirtland.af.mil>
>> To: "'kolb-list@matronics.com'" <kolb-list@matronics.com>
>> Subject: EGT Probe for 912
>> Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 16:18:34 +0100
>>
>> Kolb Friends -
>>
>> I am in the final stages of the 912 installation for my Mark-III.
>>
>> The engine was originally equipped with an EGT probe in the exhaust pipe.
>> Since I do not intend to use an EGT gauge in my plane, I removed the
>> probe.
>> What's left is a 1/8" hole in the exhaust pipe, and I understand it is
>> NOT
>> recommended that the engine be run with this hole uncovered.
>>
>> My question is: What's the recommended way to seal this old EGT hole?
>>
>> Many thanks -
>> Dennis Kirby
>> Cedar Crest, NM
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: CDI conversion |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org>
Yes. Check the archives.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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At 02:07 AM 8/7/05 -0400, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "flykolb" <flykolb@carolina.rr.com>
>
>Kolbers,
>
>I have a Rotax 532 and am thinking of sending it to steve at Airscrew to
>convert from points ot CDI. Any experience or comments?
>
>Jim
>Mark III
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: CDI conversion |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Beauford" <beauford@tampabay.rr.com>
Jim : If I were you, I'd see if they can convert it to a Hirth while
they're at it...
(Is there REALLY a Rotax outfit called "Airscrew"....? just wonderin')
Beauford
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>>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "flykolb" <flykolb@carolina.rr.com>
>>I have a Rotax 532 and am thinking of sending it to steve at Airscrew to
>>convert . Any experience or comments?
>>
>>Jim
>>Mark III
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Prop Pitch and Spacer (Jim Ballinger) |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Cat36Fly@aol.com
CPK is a real airport and only 2 + hrs in a Cardinal so you might just see
me. I will give you a call prior to bolting off into the blue although I need
Cardinal time as I have been neglecting it to get this xtra complete. Thanks
for the info?
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| Subject: | NOMEX- Wear it!!! |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Rusty" <13brv3c@bellsouth.net>
Greetings,
An airport friend of mine crashing his new biplane (Easy Eagle, VW powered)
on it's maiden flight at my airport this afternoon. He just got he
airworthiness certificate today, and when the weather cleared, he made the
first (and last) flight. Thankfully, I was too busy getting pages from work
to go out to watch.
He managed to take off in about the first third of the runway, but then was
barely climbing. Rather than set the plane back down, he tried to go around
the pattern, but barely made 200 feet of altitude. He made two turns, and
was heading downwind, but when he tried to turn toward the airport, he lost
enough lift that he sank into the trees between a couple houses. The fuel
tank split open on impact, and covered him, and the plane with fuel, which
then ignited. Amazingly, he got himself out, and walked away from the
plane, though still on fire, and somewhat in shock. The first people on the
scene ushered him into a large mud puddle that he was standing right next
to, and got the fire out. He was taken to the USA burn center in Mobile by
Life Flight, and the news reported severe burns to more than 50% of his
body.
Suddenly, I don't feel so foolish for wearing a Nomex suit for my real test
flights (first flights, and anytime I change anything significant). I'm
getting tired of hearing about friends crashing, and so is my wife...
The lesson here is two fold- if it ain't right, put it back down when you
still have 2/3 of the runway remaining. Part two is wear protective
clothing. This guy walked away from the crash itself, but the burns will
ruin his life, if he lives at all. If we're going to be test pilots, we
need to take every precaution that test pilots take, and plan for the
unexpected. This guy was a good pilot, and flight instructor, but didn't
take enough precautions.
Sorry to rant, or preach, but I've watched him scratch build this plane over
the past couple years. He was always there, and always working on it. I'm
just sick about the whole thing...
Rusty (not having a good day)
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| Subject: | Re: NOMEX- Wear it!!! |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "dama" <dama@mindspring.com>
Very sad. We had a Mini Max crash here recently on it's first flight with
fatal results. Seems to have been a stall/spin. Get some space (multiple
runways) and wear your Nomex, gents...
Kip
http://www.springeraviation.net/
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rusty" <13brv3c@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Kolb-List: NOMEX- Wear it!!!
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Rusty" <13brv3c@bellsouth.net>
>
> Greetings,
>
> An airport friend of mine crashing his new biplane (Easy Eagle, VW
powered)
> on it's maiden flight at my airport this afternoon. He just got he
> airworthiness certificate today, and when the weather cleared, he made the
> first (and last) flight. Thankfully, I was too busy getting pages from
work
> to go out to watch.
>
> He managed to take off in about the first third of the runway, but then
was
> barely climbing. Rather than set the plane back down, he tried to go
around
> the pattern, but barely made 200 feet of altitude. He made two turns, and
> was heading downwind, but when he tried to turn toward the airport, he
lost
> enough lift that he sank into the trees between a couple houses. The fuel
> tank split open on impact, and covered him, and the plane with fuel, which
> then ignited. Amazingly, he got himself out, and walked away from the
> plane, though still on fire, and somewhat in shock. The first people on
the
> scene ushered him into a large mud puddle that he was standing right next
> to, and got the fire out. He was taken to the USA burn center in Mobile
by
> Life Flight, and the news reported severe burns to more than 50% of his
> body.
>
> Suddenly, I don't feel so foolish for wearing a Nomex suit for my real
test
> flights (first flights, and anytime I change anything significant). I'm
> getting tired of hearing about friends crashing, and so is my wife...
>
> The lesson here is two fold- if it ain't right, put it back down when you
> still have 2/3 of the runway remaining. Part two is wear protective
> clothing. This guy walked away from the crash itself, but the burns will
> ruin his life, if he lives at all. If we're going to be test pilots, we
> need to take every precaution that test pilots take, and plan for the
> unexpected. This guy was a good pilot, and flight instructor, but didn't
> take enough precautions.
>
> Sorry to rant, or preach, but I've watched him scratch build this plane
over
> the past couple years. He was always there, and always working on it.
I'm
> just sick about the whole thing...
>
> Rusty (not having a good day)
>
> do not archive
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Chuck Stonex" <cstonex@msn.com>
Rusty,
I'm sorry to hear about your friend. I lost one of my flying buddies a few
years ago so I can appreciate your pain. I also agree with your message.
Thanks for sharing.
Chuck
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Rusty" <13brv3c@bellsouth.net>
Greetings,
An airport friend of mine crashing his new biplane (Easy Eagle, VW powered)
on it's maiden flight at my airport this afternoon. He just got he
airworthiness certificate today, and when the weather cleared, he made the
first (and last) flight. Thankfully, I was too busy getting pages from work
to go out to watch.
He managed to take off in about the first third of the runway, but then was
barely climbing. Rather than set the plane back down, he tried to go around
the pattern, but barely made 200 feet of altitude. He made two turns, and
was heading downwind, but when he tried to turn toward the airport, he lost
enough lift that he sank into the trees between a couple houses. The fuel
tank split open on impact, and covered him, and the plane with fuel, which
then ignited. Amazingly, he got himself out, and walked away from the
plane, though still on fire, and somewhat in shock. The first people on the
scene ushered him into a large mud puddle that he was standing right next
to, and got the fire out. He was taken to the USA burn center in Mobile by
Life Flight, and the news reported severe burns to more than 50% of his
body.
Suddenly, I don't feel so foolish for wearing a Nomex suit for my real test
flights (first flights, and anytime I change anything significant). I'm
getting tired of hearing about friends crashing, and so is my wife...
The lesson here is two fold- if it ain't right, put it back down when you
still have 2/3 of the runway remaining. Part two is wear protective
clothing. This guy walked away from the crash itself, but the burns will
ruin his life, if he lives at all. If we're going to be test pilots, we
need to take every precaution that test pilots take, and plan for the
unexpected. This guy was a good pilot, and flight instructor, but didn't
take enough precautions.
Sorry to rant, or preach, but I've watched him scratch build this plane over
the past couple years. He was always there, and always working on it. I'm
just sick about the whole thing...
Rusty (not having a good day)
do not archive
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard & Martha Neilsen" <NeilsenRM05@comcast.net>
Had a couple of guys fly into my strip a few weeks ago. One the pilot and
the other his instructor, he was one of those ultra light instructors that
could walk on water. They both complained how scary my strip is. They were
flying a MKIIIc with a 582 and the human load was app 370 lbs and the plane
weighed something like 500 lbs empty. I vaguely remember hearing them say
they climbed out of a airport 20 miles away at full power and never got over
2000 ft. When I looked at their plane it didn't have any seal between the
wing and the flaps or ailerons and they had lowered the horizontal
stabilizer so that it was parallel with the boom tube because they were
running out of up elevator. They had a bunch of other "improvements". I
tried to get across that the gap seal was important but the instructor had
his chest stuck out so far with great skill and knowledge he just knew I was
wrong. I didn't push the issue but I really wish I had. When they took off
they used every inch of my downhill 1400 ft strip. They then had to
maneuvered to pass between trees a half mile out. They scared the hell out
of me. When I got a chance I E-Mailed the guy and said that if he was still
alive to no fly again till he fixed the gap seal. He responded that my strip
was short, down wind, high density altitude, etc. but nothing about fixing
the problem. He also stated his rotation speed when heavy is 55MPH but
rotated at 52 because of the short strip. Hopefully I will not hear a crash
and burn story about these guys.
I can sort of overlook the student for not knowing and maybe not following
the plans when he had a "experienced" cobuilder and "instructor". I will
NEVER forgive the "instructor" for loading those two people up in that plane
and flying it cross country into my airstrip. The "instructor" had to have
known how poorly the plane flew solo. So why would he fly it heavy on a
cross country in that condition into a known (short strip?). You would have
to be brain dead to do that. Is this the kind of "instructor" these ultra
light organizations are turning out??? Maybe I'm over reacting? I'm planning
on tracking down the instructor and doing my best to get his "instructor"
status revoked. Again am I wrong? I live in a Rotax 912 and VW powered MKIII
world maybe the 582 is greatly underpowered. Am I out of touch? I don't like
hearing these crash and burn stories. Just tell me I'm wrong and I will
leave it alone.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW powered MKIIIc
----- Original Message -----
From: "dama" <dama@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: NOMEX- Wear it!!!
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "dama" <dama@mindspring.com>
>
> Very sad. We had a Mini Max crash here recently on it's first flight with
> fatal results. Seems to have been a stall/spin. Get some space (multiple
> runways) and wear your Nomex, gents...
> Kip
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
| world maybe the 582 is greatly underpowered. Am I out of touch? I
don't like
| hearing these crash and burn stories. Just tell me I'm wrong and I
will
| leave it alone.
|
| Rick Neilsen
Rick/Gang:
My MKIII, when powered initially with the 582, was and still is a
heavy aircraft. It flew quite well with one or two aboard. Nothing
like what you describe in your post.
john h
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dan Charter" <lndc@fnbcnet.com>
My first plane had the single thermo in the y section. I used a wire feed
welder to fill the hole. Do not archive.
Dan Charter
FS 1
----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
>
> Yah, that'll work fine if there's a threaded fitting in the pipe. On
> Vamoose there's just holes, and the probes are held in with a (factory
> supplied) hose clamp. Seems like, if you have a setup like mine, you
could
> cut a small piece off an exhaust gasket and hold it in place with a hose
> clamp. Lar.
>
> P.S. I thought you were off into the woods, hills, and wild blue
yonder,
> Larry. Whatcha doing at home ?? Do not Archive.
>
> Larry Bourne
> Palm Springs, CA
> Building Kolb Mk III
> N78LB Vamoose
> www.gogittum.com
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Larry Cottrell" <lcottrel@kfalls.net>
> To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Kolb-List: Re:
>
>
> > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Cottrell" <lcottrel@kfalls.net>
> >
> > Dennis,
> > I am sure that a standard pipe plug of the proper size would do the
job.
> > Larry
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com>
> > To:
> >
> >
> >> --> Kolb-List message posted by:
> >>
> >> From: Kirby Dennis Contr MDA/AL <Dennis.Kirby@kirtland.af.mil>
> >> To: "'kolb-list@matronics.com'" <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> >> Subject: EGT Probe for 912
> >> Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 16:18:34 +0100
> >>
> >> Kolb Friends -
> >>
> >> I am in the final stages of the 912 installation for my Mark-III.
> >>
> >> The engine was originally equipped with an EGT probe in the exhaust
pipe.
> >> Since I do not intend to use an EGT gauge in my plane, I removed the
> >> probe.
> >> What's left is a 1/8" hole in the exhaust pipe, and I understand it is
> >> NOT
> >> recommended that the engine be run with this hole uncovered.
> >>
> >> My question is: What's the recommended way to seal this old EGT hole?
> >>
> >> Many thanks -
> >> Dennis Kirby
> >> Cedar Crest, NM
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dan Charter" <lndc@fnbcnet.com>
I'd try to locate the student first. Get him away from that guy. Then take
the so called instructor for a ride in a completed Kolb. Just maybe he'll
finish the gap seals. If he doesn't, Then more pressure from the right
people might fix his flying career as an instructor. It's not right to teach
someone that his way of flying is safe. The student doesn't know any better
if that's the only plane he or she has been in. The second instructor I had
trained in a Challenger CW SPL. Half way down the 3200' runway I asked him
if something was wrong with the plane and should I put it back on the
ground. I'm used to climbing out steep. Do not archive.
Dan Charter
FS 1
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard & Martha Neilsen" <NeilsenRM05@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: NOMEX- Wear it!!!
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard & Martha Neilsen"
<NeilsenRM05@comcast.net>
>
> Had a couple of guys fly into my strip a few weeks ago. One the pilot and
> the other his instructor, he was one of those ultra light instructors that
> could walk on water. They both complained how scary my strip is. They were
> flying a MKIIIc with a 582 and the human load was app 370 lbs and the
plane
> weighed something like 500 lbs empty. I vaguely remember hearing them say
> they climbed out of a airport 20 miles away at full power and never got
over
> 2000 ft. When I looked at their plane it didn't have any seal between the
> wing and the flaps or ailerons and they had lowered the horizontal
> stabilizer so that it was parallel with the boom tube because they were
> running out of up elevator. They had a bunch of other "improvements". I
> tried to get across that the gap seal was important but the instructor had
> his chest stuck out so far with great skill and knowledge he just knew I
was
> wrong. I didn't push the issue but I really wish I had. When they took off
> they used every inch of my downhill 1400 ft strip. They then had to
> maneuvered to pass between trees a half mile out. They scared the hell out
> of me. When I got a chance I E-Mailed the guy and said that if he was
still
> alive to no fly again till he fixed the gap seal. He responded that my
strip
> was short, down wind, high density altitude, etc. but nothing about fixing
> the problem. He also stated his rotation speed when heavy is 55MPH but
> rotated at 52 because of the short strip. Hopefully I will not hear a
crash
> and burn story about these guys.
>
> I can sort of overlook the student for not knowing and maybe not following
> the plans when he had a "experienced" cobuilder and "instructor". I will
> NEVER forgive the "instructor" for loading those two people up in that
plane
> and flying it cross country into my airstrip. The "instructor" had to have
> known how poorly the plane flew solo. So why would he fly it heavy on a
> cross country in that condition into a known (short strip?). You would
have
> to be brain dead to do that. Is this the kind of "instructor" these ultra
> light organizations are turning out??? Maybe I'm over reacting? I'm
planning
> on tracking down the instructor and doing my best to get his "instructor"
> status revoked. Again am I wrong? I live in a Rotax 912 and VW powered
MKIII
> world maybe the 582 is greatly underpowered. Am I out of touch? I don't
like
> hearing these crash and burn stories. Just tell me I'm wrong and I will
> leave it alone.
>
> Rick Neilsen
> Redrive VW powered MKIIIc
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "dama" <dama@mindspring.com>
> To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: NOMEX- Wear it!!!
>
>
> > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "dama" <dama@mindspring.com>
> >
> > Very sad. We had a Mini Max crash here recently on it's first flight
with
> > fatal results. Seems to have been a stall/spin. Get some space (multiple
> > runways) and wear your Nomex, gents...
> > Kip
> >
>
>
> --
>
>
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