Today's Message Index:
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1. 01:59 AM - Re: NOMEX- Wear it!!! (PATRICK LADD)
2. 04:17 AM - Re: NOMEX- Wear it!!! (Richard Pike)
3. 05:01 AM - Re: NOMEX- Wear it!!!? Challenger performance (PATRICK LADD)
4. 05:24 AM - Re: NOMEX- Wear it!!! (Beauford)
5. 07:08 AM - Re: CDI conversion (Wayne T. McCullough)
6. 07:25 AM - Subject: 925 Battery (b young)
7. 07:57 AM - Batteries (John Hauck)
8. 01:31 PM - Float Flying (N27SB@aol.com)
9. 04:25 PM - Re: Float Flying (Larry Bourne)
10. 04:35 PM - Re: Float Flying (Larry Bourne)
11. 05:13 PM - Re: Float Flying (russ kinne)
12. 05:37 PM - Re: Float Flying (Larry Bourne)
13. 06:56 PM - Re: Float Flying (N27SB@aol.com)
14. 06:59 PM - Re: Float Flying (N27SB@aol.com)
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| Subject: | Re: NOMEX- Wear it!!! |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "PATRICK LADD" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
An airport friend of mine crashing>>
Hi Rusty,
really sorry to hear of your friends crash. Hope that he makes it OK.
Pat
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| Subject: | Re: NOMEX- Wear it!!! |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org>
I have a 582 powered MKIII, and although I have made a few improvements
that enable it to take off shorter, when it was stock it would fly two 200
pound adults in and out of my 750' downhill strip without any drama. There
are high tension power lines 800' off the end of my strip, I need to gain
400' to cross them safely. In the summer I might have to turn and parallel
them, in the winter it is/was never a problem to climb and cross them with
two people. But then I had the gap and aileron/flap seals that Kolb
specifies. The reason he had to change the stab incidence is because his
wing is not producing enough lift. He is working on the symptom and not
curing the problem.
You were right to tell him he needs to fix his airplane, he is a media
event waiting to happen. I would pursue this situation if I were you, both
for the sake of the student, and because crashes/media events hurt all of
us in the eyes of the non-flying public. Let your conscience be your guide.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
do not archive
At 11:49 PM 8/6/05 -0400, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard & Martha Neilsen"
><NeilsenRM05@comcast.net>
>
>Had a couple of guys fly into my strip a few weeks ago. One the pilot and
>the other his instructor, he was one of those ultra light instructors that
>could walk on water. They both complained how scary my strip is. They were
>flying a MKIIIc with a 582 and the human load was app 370 lbs and the plane
>weighed something like 500 lbs empty. I vaguely remember hearing them say
>they climbed out of a airport 20 miles away at full power and never got over
>2000 ft. When I looked at their plane it didn't have any seal between the
>wing and the flaps or ailerons and they had lowered the horizontal
>stabilizer so that it was parallel with the boom tube because they were
>running out of up elevator. They had a bunch of other "improvements". I
>tried to get across that the gap seal was important but the instructor had
>his chest stuck out so far with great skill and knowledge he just knew I was
>wrong. I didn't push the issue but I really wish I had. When they took off
>they used every inch of my downhill 1400 ft strip. They then had to
>maneuvered to pass between trees a half mile out. They scared the hell out
>of me. When I got a chance I E-Mailed the guy and said that if he was still
>alive to no fly again till he fixed the gap seal. He responded that my strip
>was short, down wind, high density altitude, etc. but nothing about fixing
>the problem. He also stated his rotation speed when heavy is 55MPH but
>rotated at 52 because of the short strip. Hopefully I will not hear a crash
>and burn story about these guys.
>
>I can sort of overlook the student for not knowing and maybe not following
>the plans when he had a "experienced" cobuilder and "instructor". I will
>NEVER forgive the "instructor" for loading those two people up in that plane
>and flying it cross country into my airstrip. The "instructor" had to have
>known how poorly the plane flew solo. So why would he fly it heavy on a
>cross country in that condition into a known (short strip?). You would have
>to be brain dead to do that. Is this the kind of "instructor" these ultra
>light organizations are turning out??? Maybe I'm over reacting? I'm planning
>on tracking down the instructor and doing my best to get his "instructor"
>status revoked. Again am I wrong? I live in a Rotax 912 and VW powered MKIII
>world maybe the 582 is greatly underpowered. Am I out of touch? I don't like
>hearing these crash and burn stories. Just tell me I'm wrong and I will
>leave it alone.
>
>Rick Neilsen
>Redrive VW powered MKIIIc
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "dama" <dama@mindspring.com>
>To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: Kolb-List: NOMEX- Wear it!!!
>
>
> > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "dama" <dama@mindspring.com>
> >
> > Very sad. We had a Mini Max crash here recently on it's first flight with
> > fatal results. Seems to have been a stall/spin. Get some space (multiple
> > runways) and wear your Nomex, gents...
> > Kip
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: NOMEX- Wear it!!!? Challenger performance |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "PATRICK LADD" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
The second instructor I had trained in a Challenger CW SPL. >>
Hi Dan,
That is terrible performance. Mine has around 5 ft extra span against the
Clipwing but my grass strip is about 1500 feet and if I am not airborne in
about a third of that and climbing at 800 feet a minute at 50knots something
is wrong. I weigh in at around 200 lbs. With Wendy aboard performance drop
off a bit but not much.
All on a 503 .
Cheers
Pat
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| Subject: | Re: NOMEX- Wear it!!! |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Beauford" <beauford@tampabay.rr.com>
At 48X, the term "ultralight instructor" has been a standing joke for a long
time... Incompetent "instructors" crank out yet more of these "instructors"
in a couple of weekends... Based on what the ones around here say, most of
them just want to use it to be able to fly unlicensed two-place airplanes or
trikes. Many of the guys I talk to and watch operate are not competent
about aviation practical theory, don't know or follow the FARs (particularly
on traffic procedures and airspace), and are prone to do dangerous,
unpredictible things in the airport operating environment.
I will not re-launch my previous List rant on the lack of training,
knowledge and discipline in the UL community hereabouts, but if the GA
community had crashed one fourth the number of airplanes and killed half the
number of people the UL folks have around here in the last 5 years, the feds
would have probably have lifted some tickets and closed the airport by now.
Sanctimonious Beauford
Brandon, FL
Do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard & Martha Neilsen" <NeilsenRM05@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: NOMEX- Wear it!!!
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard & Martha Neilsen"
> <NeilsenRM05@comcast.net>
>
> Had a couple of guys fly into my strip a few weeks ago. One the pilot and
> the other his instructor, he was one of those ultra light instructors that
> could walk on water. They both complained how scary my strip is. They were
> flying a MKIIIc with a 582 and the human load was app 370 lbs and the
> plane
> weighed something like 500 lbs empty. I vaguely remember hearing them say
> they climbed out of a airport 20 miles away at full power and never got
> over
> 2000 ft. When I looked at their plane it didn't have any seal between the
> wing and the flaps or ailerons and they had lowered the horizontal
> stabilizer so that it was parallel with the boom tube because they were
> running out of up elevator. They had a bunch of other "improvements". I
> tried to get across that the gap seal was important but the instructor had
> his chest stuck out so far with great skill and knowledge he just knew I
> was
> wrong. I didn't push the issue but I really wish I had. When they took off
> they used every inch of my downhill 1400 ft strip. They then had to
> maneuvered to pass between trees a half mile out. They scared the hell out
> of me. When I got a chance I E-Mailed the guy and said that if he was
> still
> alive to no fly again till he fixed the gap seal. He responded that my
> strip
> was short, down wind, high density altitude, etc. but nothing about fixing
> the problem. He also stated his rotation speed when heavy is 55MPH but
> rotated at 52 because of the short strip. Hopefully I will not hear a
> crash
> and burn story about these guys.
>
> I can sort of overlook the student for not knowing and maybe not following
> the plans when he had a "experienced" cobuilder and "instructor". I will
> NEVER forgive the "instructor" for loading those two people up in that
> plane
> and flying it cross country into my airstrip. The "instructor" had to have
> known how poorly the plane flew solo. So why would he fly it heavy on a
> cross country in that condition into a known (short strip?). You would
> have
> to be brain dead to do that. Is this the kind of "instructor" these ultra
> light organizations are turning out??? Maybe I'm over reacting? I'm
> planning
> on tracking down the instructor and doing my best to get his "instructor"
> status revoked. Again am I wrong? I live in a Rotax 912 and VW powered
> MKIII
> world maybe the 582 is greatly underpowered. Am I out of touch? I don't
> like
> hearing these crash and burn stories. Just tell me I'm wrong and I will
> leave it alone.
>
> Rick Neilsen
> Redrive VW powered MKIIIc
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "dama" <dama@mindspring.com>
> To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: NOMEX- Wear it!!!
>
>
>> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "dama" <dama@mindspring.com>
>>
>> Very sad. We had a Mini Max crash here recently on it's first flight with
>> fatal results. Seems to have been a stall/spin. Get some space (multiple
>> runways) and wear your Nomex, gents...
>> Kip
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: CDI conversion |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Wayne T. McCullough" <blackbird754@alltel.net>
Jim,
I fly a 532 Rotax on a T-bird here in Springfield, Georgia....I am
president of Eaa chapter 330. I am currently building a Kolbra with a 582
bluehead engine....
On your subject , I have Steve Beatty C.D.I. ignition on my 532 and have had
three engine outs......Problem with the C.D.I. however, on inspection all
three times the coil under the flywheel had broken a wire in the winding
itself. In all fairness it wasn't his fault, he just sold the parts. I think
that he is using Japanese coils and winding off of what I do not know....the
club members and I unwound the wire on the coil and found the wire
INTERNALLY broke about three inches from the bottom.....
When C.D.I goes out......it does not spit or sputter like points do.....It
goes silent IMMEDIATELY....After 3 engine outs due to igniton problems, the
most of any club member, 68 all total, I am very leary of this setup, I will
not leave the local airport vicinity....Looking forward to the Kolbra and
two ignition systems.
15 years of flying and looking experience here. 2 stroke motorcycles and
boat racing after 33 years under my belt....Yep, and I will probably go to
the 4 stroke after I get the Kolbra flying.....
Wayne McCullough
----- Original Message -----
From: "flykolb" <flykolb@carolina.rr.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: CDI conversion
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "flykolb" <flykolb@carolina.rr.com>
>
> Kolbers,
>
> I have a Rotax 532 and am thinking of sending it to steve at Airscrew to
> convert from points ot CDI. Any experience or comments?
>
> Jim
> Mark III
>
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "b young" <by0ung@brigham.net>
What is the address where you guys are getting the 925 battery
shipped to you for your Kolbs? I recall you paid $100 for them and did that
include shipping?
Dallas Shepherd
Norfork, Ar.
the batery i am using in my mk III 912 i got from harber freight..... it is
a 18 amp hour sealed batery it came included in one of the quick starts, jump
starts.... it included a light, volt meter, air compressor, batery charger,,,,,
all for around $30 i put my old batery in the quick start,
it does not have power to start anything but it will still run the compressor
and light.
boyd
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Morning Gang:
I have been using Hawker Odyssey batteries for the last 5+ years.
This 12 amp hr battery will wind up a 912ULS with no problem in below
freezing weather.
http://www.gotbatteries.com/items.asp?params=search/SLA/1/odyssey/PC545
This battery with shipping will cost about $80.00 to Alabama.
Prior to the last Alaska flight I bought a new 16 amp hr Odyssey. No
way I can hand start the 912ULS safely, especially when I am out there
by myself somewhere. Did not want to take a chance on getting stuck
in the boonies.
http://www.gotbatteries.com/items.asp?params=batteries/SLA/1/Hawker%20Odyssey/PC680/0769-2016/SL105/37L105S5
This one will cost about $90.00 shipped to Alabama.
These batteries can be mounted in any position. No problem with acid
overflow on the airplane like the old wet Wal*Mart batteries some of
us used in the old days. I did the 1994 flight with a 14 amp hr
Wal*Mart motorcycle battery. Had to get a jump start in Dead Horse
when the temps got down below freezing.
Take care,
john h
MKIII/912ULS
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: N27SB@aol.com
To All,
We had perfect weather in Central Florida today. I hauled the float plane to
the lake early and set out on the first on three flights. It was a good day to
practice glassy water landings. You would not believe how tough it is to land
on glassy water. I spent a total of 2.5 hours flying over river and marsh
land mostly at 20 feet. Hope everyone else had great weather.
Steve
FF#007
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Float Flying |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Sounds very nice, Steve, but I think you sent your Florida summer
thunderstorms to the desert. Hot and humid........pheee-eeeew ! ! !
S'posed to be just HOT. Lar. Do not
Archive.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Building Kolb Mk III
N78LB Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: <N27SB@aol.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: Float Flying
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: N27SB@aol.com
>
> To All,
> We had perfect weather in Central Florida today. I hauled the float plane
> to
> the lake early and set out on the first on three flights. It was a good
> day to
> practice glassy water landings. You would not believe how tough it is to
> land
> on glassy water. I spent a total of 2.5 hours flying over river and marsh
> land mostly at 20 feet. Hope everyone else had great weather.
>
> Steve
> FF#007
> do not archive
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Float Flying |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Sounds very nice, Steve, but I think you sent your Florida summer
thunderstorms to the desert. Hot and humid........pheee-eeeew ! ! !
S'posed to be just HOT. Lar. Do not
Archive.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Building Kolb Mk III
N78LB Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: <N27SB@aol.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: Float Flying
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: N27SB@aol.com
>
> To All,
> We had perfect weather in Central Florida today. I hauled the float plane
> to
> the lake early and set out on the first on three flights. It was a good
> day to
> practice glassy water landings. You would not believe how tough it is to
> land
> on glassy water. I spent a total of 2.5 hours flying over river and marsh
> land mostly at 20 feet. Hope everyone else had great weather.
>
> Steve
> FF#007
> do not archive
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Float Flying |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: russ kinne <kinnepix@earthlink.net>
Steve
When I was flying floats I carried a loaf of plain-jane white bread for
glassy-water landings; threw out slices on the first pass & then had
surface-reference points for landing. Non-polluting too; the fish
cleaned it up pronto. DEP would approve!
Works fine!
Best,
Russ
do not archive
On Aug 7, 2005, at 7:24 PM, Larry Bourne wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
>
> Sounds very nice, Steve, but I think you sent your Florida summer
> thunderstorms to the desert. Hot and humid........pheee-eeeew ! ! !
> S'posed to be just HOT. Lar. Do not
> Archive.
>
> Larry Bourne
> Palm Springs, CA
> Building Kolb Mk III
> N78LB Vamoose
> www.gogittum.com
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <N27SB@aol.com>
> To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Kolb-List: Float Flying
>
>
>> --> Kolb-List message posted by: N27SB@aol.com
>>
>> To All,
>> We had perfect weather in Central Florida today. I hauled the float
>> plane
>> to
>> the lake early and set out on the first on three flights. It was a
>> good
>> day to
>> practice glassy water landings. You would not believe how tough it is
>> to
>> land
>> on glassy water. I spent a total of 2.5 hours flying over river and
>> marsh
>> land mostly at 20 feet. Hope everyone else had great weather.
>>
>> Steve
>> FF#007
>> do not archive
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Float Flying |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Nah, the fish-kissers would be grumbling cause you were throwing them
something with no nutritional value. Should at least be whole wheat bagels.
:-) Do not Archive.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Building Kolb Mk III
N78LB Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "russ kinne" <kinnepix@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Float Flying
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: russ kinne <kinnepix@earthlink.net>
>
> Steve
> When I was flying floats I carried a loaf of plain-jane white bread for
> glassy-water landings; threw out slices on the first pass & then had
> surface-reference points for landing. Non-polluting too; the fish
> cleaned it up pronto. DEP would approve!
> Works fine!
> Best,
> Russ
> do not archive
>
> On Aug 7, 2005, at 7:24 PM, Larry Bourne wrote:
>
>> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
>>
>> Sounds very nice, Steve, but I think you sent your Florida summer
>> thunderstorms to the desert. Hot and humid........pheee-eeeew ! ! !
>> S'posed to be just HOT. Lar. Do not
>> Archive.
>>
>> Larry Bourne
>> Palm Springs, CA
>> Building Kolb Mk III
>> N78LB Vamoose
>> www.gogittum.com
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: <N27SB@aol.com>
>> To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
>> Subject: Kolb-List: Float Flying
>>
>>
>>> --> Kolb-List message posted by: N27SB@aol.com
>>>
>>> To All,
>>> We had perfect weather in Central Florida today. I hauled the float
>>> plane
>>> to
>>> the lake early and set out on the first on three flights. It was a
>>> good
>>> day to
>>> practice glassy water landings. You would not believe how tough it is
>>> to
>>> land
>>> on glassy water. I spent a total of 2.5 hours flying over river and
>>> marsh
>>> land mostly at 20 feet. Hope everyone else had great weather.
>>>
>>> Steve
>>> FF#007
>>> do not archive
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Float Flying |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: N27SB@aol.com
In a message dated 8/7/2005 7:26:24 PM Eastern Standard Time,
biglar@gogittum.com writes:
> Sounds very nice, Steve, but I think you sent your Florida summer
> thunderstorms to the desert. Hot and humid........pheee-eeeew ! ! !
> S'posed to be just HOT. Lar. Do not
> Archive.
>
sorry
steve
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Float Flying |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: N27SB@aol.com
In a message dated 8/7/2005 8:13:46 PM Eastern Standard Time,
kinnepix@earthlink.net writes:
> Steve
> When I was flying floats I carried a loaf of plain-jane white bread for
> glassy-water landings; threw out slices on the first pass &then had
> surface-reference points for landing
Thanks Russ, Good trick, Fortunately there are many grass patches and lilly
pads for reference. I was practicing today for lakes without that option.
guess I had better pack some Wonder Bread
Steve
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