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1. 12:31 AM - Re: Kolb list electric trim tab (Icrashrc@aol.com)
2. 04:33 AM - Re: Lockwood's Diagnosis-black fuel line (N27SB@aol.com)
3. 04:36 AM - Re: Mk 11 vs Mk 111 (John Cooley)
4. 05:01 AM - Re: Mk 11 vs Mk 111 (Thom Riddle)
5. 05:20 AM - Re: Mk 11 vs Mk 111 (Pollus)
6. 06:16 AM - Re: Two tanks (Ralph)
7. 06:32 AM - Re: electric trim tab (Richard Pike)
8. 06:44 AM - Re: Mk 11 vs Mk 111 (Richard Pike)
9. 07:15 AM - Kolb 1986 Twinstar w Rotax 503 (David Nagy)
10. 07:30 AM - Sunday visit to Bailes Airport (ghaley@wt.net)
11. 07:36 AM - Re: Mk 11 vs Mk 111 (FlyColt45@aol.com)
12. 08:11 AM - "Magic Bike" flies again! (Kirby Dennis Contr MDA/AL)
13. 08:15 AM - Re: Ultrastar ()
14. 09:04 AM - Bing Enrichment Piston (Beauford)
15. 11:33 AM - Re: Two tanks (Jim Baker)
16. 11:51 AM - Re: Bing Enrichment Piston (possums)
17. 12:10 PM - Re: "Magic Bike" flies again! (Jim Ballenger)
18. 01:34 PM - Re: the 447 - Part Two (Kirby Dennis Contr MDA/AL)
19. 02:28 PM - Re: 447 Status (possums)
20. 02:51 PM - Re: Twin Engine Firestar 2 (PATRICK LADD)
21. 02:51 PM - Re: the 447 - Part Two (PATRICK LADD)
22. 05:39 PM - Two tanks (Domenic Perez)
23. 05:59 PM - Re: Bing Enrichment Piston (Beauford)
24. 06:26 PM - Re: Pre Mix made easy (Ron)
25. 06:56 PM - Re: "Magic Bike" flies again! (Denny Rowe)
26. 07:24 PM - Re: the 447 - Part Two (Don Gherardini)
27. 08:09 PM - Re: the 447 - Part Two (Beauford)
28. 09:47 PM - Re: "Magic Bike" flies again! (Larry Bourne)
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb list electric trim tab |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Icrashrc@aol.com
Time: 06:09:19 PM PST US
From: ElleryWeld@aol.com
Subject: Re: Kolb list electric trim tab
--> Kolb-List message posted by: ElleryWeld@aol.com
that sure looks like a bunch of junk just to adjust a trim tab what
does it
all weigh I will stick to the Cockpit adjustable elevator trim tab I
have built
in my Firestar thanks it's Simple Easy and it cant go out of control
with
a crazy electric motor, switch going bad, or just losing power to it
the choice is yours, Easy and dependable or something else to keep
fixin
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Do you have any pictures and or description of your "cockpit adjustable
elevator trim tab"? Thanks,
Scott Thompson
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| Subject: | Re: Lockwood's Diagnosis-black fuel line |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: N27SB@aol.com
Thanks Beauford,
We installed new Gates Auto Fuel lines in April 05. I will crack into the
system and see what is happening. Tried to contact you last week about making a
visit to your field but did not hear from you. Perhaps your Fritz Leiber style
book was keeping you busy.
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steve
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Cooley" <johnc@datasync.com>
Hi Thom,
What John said and.....You sit way down in the MK II (the enclosed version)
and the MK III has flaps where the MK II has full span ailerons. The MK III
has more ribs and is beefier all around. I can't tell you about the flying
differences as I have never flown a MK III. I have owned two MK II's and am
building a MK IIIC currently. Compared to the FS II the MK II has a little
better roll rate, I assume due to the full span ailerons and control design.
Maybe Brother Pike can compare the roll rates of the Mk III versus the FS II
and give an idea of how the three models compare.
Also for you folks that have flown the MK III with a center stick versus the
twin stick setup, is there any difference in force required to move the
ailerons due to the slight rigging differences? John you have probably flown
both set-ups, did you notice any difference? I know that the aileron control
rods can be moved in at the torque rod connection to help with control
forces and I plan on trying this when the time comes, (see Richard Pikes
website) thanks Richard.
John Cooley
Lucedale, Ms.
FS II
MK II
Building MK III
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Twinstar
| Mk 11 and Mk 111(c)?
|
| Thom in Buffalo
Hi Thom/Gang:
Primary differences are tail boom and main wing spars. MKIII has 6"
instead of 5".
Fuselage is much better designed, wider and stronger.
I don't know much about the MKII. Never had any dealings with it
except what I read on this List.
john h
MKIII/912ULS
Titus, Alabama
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| Subject: | Re: Mk 11 vs Mk 111 |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Thom Riddle <jtriddle@adelphia.net>
John H and Richard,
Thanks for the info on the Mk 11 vs Mk 111. Whoever said size does not
matter must not have been talking about wing spars and boom tubes. That
is all I needed to know.
Thom
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| Subject: | Re: Mk 11 vs Mk 111 |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Pollus <pollus@fornerod.nl>
Thom, I think you just won the Unofficial Kolb-List Quote Of The Year
award.
Op 15-aug-2005, at 14:00 CET, Thom Riddle wrote:
"Whoever said size does not matter must not have been talking about
wing spars and boom tubes."
Congratulations.
Pollus
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ralph" <ul15rhb@juno.com>
-- \"Jim Baker\" wrote:
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jim Baker"
Realistically, is anyone actually using that second seat? Just curious
since I don't as it really violates the 103 rule. Can't teach anyone
from the back and passengers really aren't learning to fly. Other than
that, I've got both five gallon tanks at the rear seat position. Benefits
are ease of fueling, not as significant a change in CG from full to
empty, and frees up the aft section for carrying "stuff".
Jim Baker
580.788.2779
'71 SV, 492TC
Elmore City, OK
When did a Firestar ever make 103 weight limits (254 lbs)? I don't know of any.
Ralph
--\"JimBaker\"<JLBAKER@TELEPATH.COM>wrote:
--Kolb-Listmessagepostedby:"JimBaker"<JLBAKER@TELEPATH.COM>
Realistically,isanyoneactuallyusingthatsecondseat?Justcurious
sinceIdon'tasitreallyviolatesthe103rule.Can'tteachanyone
fromthebackandpassengersreallyaren'tlearningtofly.Otherthan
that,I'vegotbothfivegallontanksattherearseatposition.Benefits
areeaseoffueling,notassignificantachangeinCGfromfullto
empty,andfreesuptheaftsectionforcarrying"stuff".
<
BR>
JimBaker
580.788.2779
'71SV,492TC
ElmoreCity,OK
When did a Firestar ever make 103 weight limits (254 lbs)? I don't know of any.
Ralph
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| Subject: | Re: electric trim tab |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org>
Here's mine.
http://www.bcchapel.org/pages/0003/kolb.htm
Scroll down to the appropriate link. Several pictures.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
At 03:31 AM 8/15/05 -0400, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: Icrashrc@aol.com
<snip>
>Do you have any pictures and or description of your "cockpit adjustable
>elevator trim tab"? Thanks,
>
>Scott Thompson
>
>DO NOT ARCHIVE
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org>
No experience with flying a MKII.
Both our on-site Kolbs have VG's and modified aileron linkage, so comparing
them with a stock a/c might be irrelevant, but IMO, there is not much
difference in the roll rates in our two. Both respond very well, there is a
perceived difference in that the MKIII has a lower and more reclined
seating position, whereas the FSII has a taller, more upright position. So
your sensory feedback is a bit different, our FSII "feels like" there is
more of a pendulum effect, in reality, probably not.
I doubt there is much difference in the roll rates.
Both are very much three axis airplanes, coordinated stick and rudder are
mandatory for brisk response.
The FSII has notably more dihedral than stock, and will fly hands off.
The MKIII has stock dihedral and will not.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
At 06:36 AM 8/15/05 -0500, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Cooley" <johnc@datasync.com>
>
>Hi Thom,
>What John said and.....You sit way down in the MK II (the enclosed version)
>and the MK III has flaps where the MK II has full span ailerons. The MK III
>has more ribs and is beefier all around. I can't tell you about the flying
>differences as I have never flown a MK III. I have owned two MK II's and am
>building a MK IIIC currently. Compared to the FS II the MK II has a little
>better roll rate, I assume due to the full span ailerons and control design.
>Maybe Brother Pike can compare the roll rates of the Mk III versus the FS II
>and give an idea of how the three models compare.
>Also for you folks that have flown the MK III with a center stick versus the
>twin stick setup, is there any difference in force required to move the
>ailerons due to the slight rigging differences? John you have probably flown
>both set-ups, did you notice any difference? I know that the aileron control
>rods can be moved in at the torque rod connection to help with control
>forces and I plan on trying this when the time comes, (see Richard Pikes
>website) thanks Richard.
>
>John Cooley
>Lucedale, Ms.
>FS II
>MK II
>Building MK III
>
>
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
>
> | Can anyone tell me the major (and minor) differences between a
>Twinstar
>| Mk 11 and Mk 111(c)?
>|
>| Thom in Buffalo
>
>Hi Thom/Gang:
>
>Primary differences are tail boom and main wing spars. MKIII has 6"
>instead of 5".
>
>Fuselage is much better designed, wider and stronger.
>
>I don't know much about the MKII. Never had any dealings with it
>except what I read on this List.
>
>john h
>MKIII/912ULS
>Titus, Alabama
>
>
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>
>
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| Subject: | Kolb 1986 Twinstar w Rotax 503 |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: David Nagy <dcnagy@gmail.com>
In 1997 I bought a Kolb Twinstar that had a 1986 Rotax 503 SCSI with only 30
hours on the Hobbs. I went ahead and got it N numbered and flew for another
45 hours or so. In that time I had one engine outage which occurred when I
throttled back to idle before landing. Problem traced to clogged idle jet.
And a couple years ago I had a mishap and I'm only now getting the Twinstar
back together and ready to fly.
Question: Is the nearly 20 year old engine ,even though it has low time ,
too much of a risk. I know Rotax suggests new crank and bearings based on
age not just running hours. I've decarboned the heads, the rings are free
and the I can still see the cross hatching on the cylinder walls. But it's
the possible corrosion of the crank needle bearings that concern me.
And to put a little more urgency to the question Rotax is offering a $750
trade in of older engines on a new 503 til the end of this month.
The new engine would be nice with dual ignition and oil injection but it
will always be a 2 cycle..
Just to dream on a bit has anybody out there put a HKS 700 on a Kolb instead
of a Rotax. It seems it would be a fairly close match on power and weight
and of course be a 4 cycle but at double the price!
Dave Nagy
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| Subject: | Sunday visit to Bailes Airport |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: ghaley@wt.net
Robert,
I flew down to Bailes yesterday on my way to Freeport. Just flying for the
fun of it. Ended up having to rush back because of weather.
Gary Haley
Dry Creek Airport (ts07)
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| Subject: | Re: Mk 11 vs Mk 111 |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: FlyColt45@aol.com
My 2 cents - If this is a buying decision?
I've owned and flew both, (MKII & III). Beyond what has been mentioned
about the obvious structural differences; both are fine airplanes. The MKII with
a 503 is a very capable machine; as there are many are out there - flying
safely. For me, it was finances & opportunity that allowed me to move on to
the next Kolb iteration; and I was also pleased about the larger wing spars &
boom tube. My MKII had a 582 & MKIII - a 912. In my case, those features
alone made the 2 plane's handle differently, but the MKII was safe and pleasure
to fly. I flat/out loved my MKIII! I've seen "chubby" pilots fly "chubby"
passengers in a MKII/ 503 with no problems : )
{may not help you much, but it was nice to reflect on those 2 planes}
Jim: PA/FL
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| Subject: | "Magic Bike" flies again! |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Kirby Dennis Contr MDA/AL <Dennis.Kirby@kirtland.af.mil>
Dear Kolb Friends -
I am excited to share the news with all of you that my Mark-III is up and
flying again.
Last time I flew my plane was in February.
As you might recall, I removed the Verner engine in March, and began the
process of installing a 912UL, which I purchased used from Barnstormers.
Well, I finally finished the installation, and flew my plane on Saturday.
I'm happy to report that everything worked as it was supposed to, and my
half-hour flight was uneventful.
Besides the engine swap, I also did a few minor modifications based on ideas
we've discussed on this List ... things that add to safety & reliability,
namely:
- Relocated my BRS to above the cabin (was previously located behind pax
seat)
- Added a gascolator to lowest point in the fuel system
- Added fuel vents to my gas caps that vent to overboard
My RPMs are a bit low for the 912 - I will need to remove some prop pitch
(currently set at 12 degrees - will change to 11) to get those RPMs up to
5500 at full throttle. Otherwise, all systems are working fine.
Time to knock out the remaining 15 hours left in my Phase-I flight testing!
Glad to be flying again -
Dennis Kirby
N93DK, 912UL, Powerfin-70 in
Cedar Crest, NM
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: <undoctor@rcn.com>
Hello,
I have an Ultrastar I'm currently rebuilding. I had the nose
raised like a Firestar a few years ago. I bought a house and
have been up to my eyebrows with it until now, so the Ultrastar
just sat in all that time.
In the interim, the fellow where I had my plane died and I had
to move it in parts from there to here and now that I'm putting
it together, I've discovered I left a box of parts. Missing is all
the engine mount hardware.
Would you be kind enough to describe the parts and the
sequence they are installec? I understand the mounts are Lord
mounts, similar to the ones on the Firestar, but the Firestar
engine is right-side-up and the Ultrastar engine, of course,
hangs beneath the mounting tubing.
Any info you could supply me with would be greatly appreciated.
By the way, I'm living in Bethlehem, PA. What part of the
world do you call home?
Regards,
Davd Kulp
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| Subject: | Bing Enrichment Piston |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Beauford" <beauford@tampabay.rr.com>
Kolbers...
After a couple of folks mentioned it offline, one thing I guess I should put out
on the wire is additional evidence that the carb enrichment piston played a
role in the carbon problem... I previously mentioned that the mechanics discovered
the bottom insert (rubber) in the piston was pushed up and permanently deformed
away from the valve seat. They speculated that this could have been leaking
raw gas into the carb circuit. The enrichment piston was replaced.
The one hour and six minutes I flew it yesterday consumed just slightly less than
2.5 gallons... and most of that was
hard running, up around 5900 to 6000, with occasional 3 minute bursts at 6500 or
6600.
Before, it would have easily used over 3 gallons for an hour of average cruising
around... more like 3.3 to 3.4.
That gas was going somewhere, and based on the reduced fuel burn rate yesterday,
I strongly suspect it was passing through the defective seat in that piston
and going directly into coke production.
Henceforth, I plan to yank that little item out and have a look at it on an annual
basis... Before, all I ever inspected was to make certain that I could feel
the piston hit bottom when I closed it. Obviously, that was not adequate.
Will attempt to fly it again this afternoon, weather permitting... will measure
fuel burn again.
It's great to feel the wind beneath my Kolb wings again, instead of just the wind
beneath my britches while driving back and forth to Sebring....
Regards,
Optimistic Beauford
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jim Baker" <jlbaker@telepath.com>
> Realistically, is anyone actually using that second seat? Just
curious
> since I don't as it really violates the 103 rule
Snip.....
> When did a Firestar ever make 103 weight limits (254 lbs)? I don't
> know of any. Ralph
Ralph is certainly correct on this point but there are some things the
FAA folks (well, at least the ones I've run into) will look at and some
they will ignore. I've been asked several times if those tanks were a
total of ten gallons and indicated, yes, they were. Seems as long as I
was the only one in the craft, everything else about 103 seemed to
go by the boards as long as the craft looked like a UL. And the FAA
folks told me as much. Obviously, others will have different
experiences.
Jim Baker
580.788.2779
'71 SV, 492TC
Elmore City, OK
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| Subject: | Re: Bing Enrichment Piston |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: possums <possums@mindspring.com>
At 12:11 PM 8/15/2005, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Beauford" <beauford@tampabay.rr.com>
>
>Kolbers...
>
>After a couple of folks mentioned it offline, one thing I guess I
>should put out on the wire is additional evidence that the carb
>enrichment piston played a role in the carbon problem... I
>previously mentioned that the mechanics discovered the bottom insert
>(rubber) in the piston was pushed up and permanently deformed away
>from the valve seat. They speculated that this could have been
>leaking raw gas into the carb circuit. The enrichment piston was replaced.
What part on the "enrichment piston" was replaced.
Maybe a part number from CPS??
I assuming you mean the choke, right?
Does your's have a primer and a choke system??
Just looking for problems on mine, you know - things are starting to wear.
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| Subject: | Re: "Magic Bike" flies again! |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jim Ballenger" <ulpilot@cavtel.net>
Dennis
Great to hear you are back in the air.
Jim Ballenger
Selling a FS KXP 447
Flying a MK III X 582
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Kirby Dennis Contr MDA/AL" <Dennis.Kirby@kirtland.af.mil>
Subject: Kolb-List: "Magic Bike" flies again!
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Kirby Dennis Contr MDA/AL
> <Dennis.Kirby@kirtland.af.mil>
>
> Dear Kolb Friends -
>
> I am excited to share the news with all of you that my Mark-III is up and
> flying again.
> Last time I flew my plane was in February.
>
> As you might recall, I removed the Verner engine in March, and began the
> process of installing a 912UL, which I purchased used from Barnstormers.
> Well, I finally finished the installation, and flew my plane on Saturday.
> I'm happy to report that everything worked as it was supposed to, and my
> half-hour flight was uneventful.
>
> Besides the engine swap, I also did a few minor modifications based on
> ideas
> we've discussed on this List ... things that add to safety & reliability,
> namely:
>
> - Relocated my BRS to above the cabin (was previously located behind pax
> seat)
> - Added a gascolator to lowest point in the fuel system
> - Added fuel vents to my gas caps that vent to overboard
>
> My RPMs are a bit low for the 912 - I will need to remove some prop pitch
> (currently set at 12 degrees - will change to 11) to get those RPMs up to
> 5500 at full throttle. Otherwise, all systems are working fine.
>
> Time to knock out the remaining 15 hours left in my Phase-I flight
> testing!
>
> Glad to be flying again -
> Dennis Kirby
> N93DK, 912UL, Powerfin-70 in
> Cedar Crest, NM
> do not archive
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: the 447 - Part Two |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Kirby Dennis Contr MDA/AL <Dennis.Kirby@kirtland.af.mil>
<< The geezer squinted through the windshield of his battered pickup as he
tried to make out the road through the heavy rain... "It's Beauford of
Brandon, come with the 447..." >>
What a thoroughly enjoyable rendition of an otherwise mundane visit to
Sebring ... I was laughing so hard at my computer that all my officemates
began gathering around my cubicle, wondering what I was reading that was so
funny! Mr Beauford, you are one of the MANY reasons I enjoy the Kolb List
so much - thank you for sharing your unique perspective with us, sir!
Dennis Kirby
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: possums <possums@mindspring.com>
What kind of CHT temps are you guys getting on a 503 dual carb on
climb out .... and cruise at say 5,800 rpm?
At 10:35 PM 8/14/2005, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: possums <possums@mindspring.com>
>
>At 10:08 PM 8/14/2005, you wrote:
>
> >Consensus at Sebring is that 447 is most carbon-prone and crankiest
> >to adjust of all the current Rotax engines.
> >I believe it.
> >
> >Beauford
>
>You better believe it.
>My old 503 has recently run up to 335 - 340 CHT on climb out...and
>I'm starting
>to get worried.
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| Subject: | Re: Twin Engine Firestar 2 |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "PATRICK LADD" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
So what do you think is wrong with my math?>>
Hi,
i wouldn`t dare enter into an argument about the math with a man of your
calibre but surely provided both engines don`t fail at the same time ( a
vanishingly small statistical chance) you are twice as well off than having
a failure on the only engine you have.
Cheers
Pat
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| Subject: | Re: the 447 - Part Two |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "PATRICK LADD" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
enormous London Gin and tonic over crushed ice, with half a key lime
Over CRUSHED ice? I shall have to give that serious experimentation
Cheers
Pat
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Domenic Perez" <perezmdomenic@plateautel.net>
Two tank Kolbers,
If using two tanks whose floors are at different levels in level flight, and
using the usual Mikuni pulse pump, here is the $64,000 question. If one tank
runs dry and starts sucking air, are the pulse pumps powerful enough to still
pull the fuel from the non-dry tank and keep the carb's bowls full? Or is some
of the fuel unusable? I've never run my tanks that low, so I don't know from
direct experience. Don't want to find out the hard way.
My setup is a line coming out the top of each tank (drawing from the bottoms
through check valves that give weight to the fuel lines so they stay down) and
joining at a "T" and on to the carbs. I have a primer pump, but no primer
bulb. I also have an "equalizer" line between the two tanks. Does this equalizer
do any good? My two tanks are mounted on the boom tube behind the 2nd seat
and seem pretty close to being equal height on the ground, but I just never thought
much about the tail being high enough in flight to make a significant difference.
Thinking about it now.
M. Domenic Perez
Vaughn, NM
Firestar II, 503 DCDI
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| Subject: | Re: Bing Enrichment Piston |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Beauford" <beauford@tampabay.rr.com>
Brother Possum...
Yessir... Doan' got no CPS.... However, in the Lockwood book, they call
it a "choke piston with gasket...." It is part number 963-740 out of a 36mm
Bing Model 54... And you shall know it by its black rubber underside if you
are feeling sufficiently kinky to look there when it somes in the mail.
The goons at the castle call it an "enrichment piston," and you will have
to forgive me... I picked it up...(sure sign of a weak, or failing,
mind...). To me, being a fossil, a "choke" is a device that restricts
airflow by imposing a butterfly plate or somesuch across the airflow in the
venturi.... This thing "chokes" nothing, but merely dumps raw gas into the
equation... same end result, I reckon.
At their advice, I removed the primer from my engine...and concurrently
reduced the idle RPM from
2450 hot, to 2150 hot.... thus making it easier to start. So far it is
working.... third pull seems
to be the ticket. Their advice also included down-jetting the idle circuit
from a 45 to a 40, claiming that it would be a tad more smooth, and that a
2000 idle could thus be approached without chattering the B-box... I assume
that guidance is applicable only in a hot climate, but did not specifically
ask.
You are certainly correct, Sir... Things are most assuredly beginning to
wear... In the interests of common decency, I will not go there in this
post...
Good luck with the 503.... gotta be a better hand to hold than this 447....
The game continues.
Beauford
FF #076
Brandon, FL
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> --> Kolb-List message posted by: possums <possums@mindspring.com>
>
> At 12:11 PM 8/15/2005, you wrote:
>
> What part on the "enrichment piston" was replaced.
> Maybe a part number from CPS??
> I assuming you mean the choke, right?
> Does your's have a primer and a choke system??
>
> Just looking for problems on mine, you know - things are starting to wear.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Pre Mix made easy |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Ron <CaptainRon1@cox.net>
Tell you what, I got a good laugh out of your post. In fact I am
still laughing. Just for your information MMO has been around since
George Washington met Lord Cromwell, in fact rumor has it that it was
the edge. In fact claims have been made that we won the cold war
because of MMO. On a serious note it is a magical thing it will fix
anything at all. :-)
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but I certainly
wouldn`t buy a brand called Marvels Mystery Oil as a matter of principle.
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| Subject: | Re: "Magic Bike" flies again! |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Denny Rowe" <rowedl@highstream.net>
Way to go Dennis, Congrats on getting her done!
Denny Rowe Mk-3 PA
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| Subject: | Re: the 447 - Part Two |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
Beauford....
You sir are a journalistic magician.....I certainly enjoyed that story...and
in our office,( I had to show it around here) we are all extra sensitive (or
jealous maybe) to the market dominating position Rotax has in the small
aircraft engine biz...and particularly amazed at the tactics they use , and
still maintain that position. In our industry, we would be smashed by our
competitors, boycotted by the dealers and disdained by the customers in a
moment if we operated the way they do.
Also...I feel compelled to admit....I now have 20 trouble free hours on the
new engine installation on the FlagFly....and like you, I have way to much
money in that dang 447. Sure wish there were more choices!
Don Gherardini
OEM.Sales / Engineering dept.
American Honda Engines
Power Equipment Company
CortLand, Illinois
800-626-7326
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| Subject: | Re: the 447 - Part Two |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Beauford" <beauford@tampabay.rr.com>
Don:
You are too kind,sir... and that tale was very rough in grammar, and totally
unedited in context, and coming at the
end of a long day...had some glaring errors... But I'm glad you and some
of the guys enjoyed it... It felt good venting to pound it out that night.
Frustration.
Like you, I have often wondered how in the world the Rotax empire does it...
I guess it boils down to the obvious... no real competition feeding into a
captive, niche market.... If they were competing against Briggs and Honda
in the lawn mower market, they'd likely have been gone long ago...
Thanks for the note...
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Beauford
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From: "Don Gherardini" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: the 447 - Part Two
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
>
> Beauford....
> You sir are a journalistic magician.....I certainly enjoyed that
> story...and
> in our office,( I had to show it around here) we are all extra sensitive
> (or
> jealous maybe) to the market dominating position Rotax has in the small
> aircraft engine biz...and particularly amazed at the tactics they use ,
> and
> still maintain that position. In our industry, we would be smashed by our
> competitors, boycotted by the dealers and disdained by the customers in a
> moment if we operated the way they do.
>
> Also...I feel compelled to admit....I now have 20 trouble free hours on
> the
> new engine installation on the FlagFly....and like you, I have way to much
> money in that dang 447. Sure wish there were more choices!
>
> Don Gherardini
> OEM.Sales / Engineering dept.
> American Honda Engines
> Power Equipment Company
> CortLand, Illinois
> 800-626-7326
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: "Magic Bike" flies again! |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Good on you, Dennis...........and here I was getting afraid I might beat you
into the air. You'd never live it down. :-) Lar.
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Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Building Kolb Mk III
N78LB Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kirby Dennis Contr MDA/AL" <Dennis.Kirby@kirtland.af.mil>
Subject: Kolb-List: "Magic Bike" flies again!
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Kirby Dennis Contr MDA/AL
> <Dennis.Kirby@kirtland.af.mil>
>
> Dear Kolb Friends -
>
> I am excited to share the news with all of you that my Mark-III is up and
> flying again.
> Last time I flew my plane was in February.
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