---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 08/29/05: 11 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:45 AM - Re: WOODY-Dick (jdmurr@juno.com) 2. 06:01 AM - q (russ kinne) 3. 06:16 AM - Re: q (robert bean) 4. 07:08 AM - Back to Cross Country Status (Jack & Louise Hart) 5. 09:14 AM - (David Kulp) 6. 09:41 AM - Re: (Herb Gayheart) 7. 11:56 AM - Re: (David Kulp) 8. 12:01 PM - Re: (David Kulp) 9. 01:55 PM - Re: q (jdmurr@juno.com) 10. 09:47 PM - Anyone Know The Story Behind This Crash? (dralle@matronics.com (Matt Dralle)) 11. 11:19 PM - Re: Anyone Know The Story Behind This Crash? (courierboy@earthlink.net) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:45:10 AM PST US From: "jdmurr@juno.com" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: WOODY-Dick --> Kolb-List message posted by: "jdmurr@juno.com" I had an engine out Saturday at 500 feet AGL. It was my fault thought. I was moving around in my seat and hit both mag switches with my knee. It got real quiet. Luckily I had a choice of about 5 different places to land and it was a happy ending. John Murr - Firestar -- Terry Frantz wrote: --> Kolb-List message posted by: Terry Frantz Wayne F.Wilson wrote: >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Wayne F.Wilson" > >Hi Everyone >I thought everyone would like to know Woody had an >engine out on takeoff Tueday night at about 200 feet > > Glad to hear that Woody made it with relatively little damage to himself. Hope he has a speedy recovery!!! That is definitely the scariest time of any flight for me, knowing you don't have much time to do anything about an engine out. Looking forward to his account of what happened so that I can learn from it and thankful he will be able to do so! Terry - FireFly #95 > > > > > I had an engine out Saturday at 500 feet AGL. It was my fault thought. I was moving around in my seat and hit both mag switches with my knee. It got real quiet. Luckily I had a choice of about 5 different places to land and it was a happy ending. John Murr - Firestar --TerryFrantztkrolfe@usadatanet.netwrote: --Kolb-Listmessagepostedby:TerryFrantztkrolfe@usadatanet.net WayneF.Wilsonwrote: --Kolb-Listmessagepostedby:"WayneF.Wilson"wfwilson1@yahoo.ca HiEveryone IthoughteveryonewouldliketoknowWoodyhadan engineoutontakeoffTuedaynightatabout200feet GladtohearthatWoodymadeitwithrelativelylittledamageto himself.Hopehehasaspeedyrecovery!!!Thatisdefinitelythe scariesttimeofanyflightforme,knowi ngyoudon'thavemuchtimeto doanythingaboutanengineout.Lookingforwardtohisaccountofwhat happenedsothatIcanlearnfromitandthankfulhewillbeabletodoso! Terry-FireFly#95 ;7-DayBrowse,Chat,FAQ, ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:01:16 AM PST US From: russ kinne Subject: Kolb-List: q --> Kolb-List message posted by: russ kinne It's a VERY good idea to have a guard on vital switches -- a simple metal flap that must be moved out of the way to move the switches -- so they can't be switched off accidentally. Won't a Kolb restart in the air if the mags are turned on again ? do not archive ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:16:24 AM PST US From: robert bean Subject: Re: Kolb-List: q --> Kolb-List message posted by: robert bean I doubt that any redrive engine will windmill very well. Even high RPM direct drives with their stubby props are poor candidates, unless running very low compression. One of these days I'll try to hand prop my cog belt suzuki. The resistance is pretty stiff at TDC with 10:1 compression. -BB do not archive On 29, Aug 2005, at 9:00 AM, russ kinne wrote: > --> Kolb-List message posted by: russ kinne > > It's a VERY good idea to have a guard on vital switches -- a simple > metal flap that must be moved out of the way to move the switches -- so > they can't be switched off accidentally. Won't a Kolb restart in the > air if the mags are turned on again ? > do not archive > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:08:27 AM PST US From: Jack & Louise Hart Subject: Kolb-List: Back to Cross Country Status --> Kolb-List message posted by: Jack & Louise Hart FireFlyers & kolbers After reassembling the engine, I have been making short flights. Two weekends ago I flew from Winchester to Hagerstown, Indiana for a EAA Chapter 373 work meeting and back, a total distance of 46 miles. I have been enjoying being only two miles from the airport. Yesterday, I flew a 70 mile loop over western Ohio and esstern Indiana, as a test flight to see if I had the Victor 1+ and propeller dialed in, and it is close. It turned out to be a fun flight. What follows is part of my flight log: "August 28, 2005 - Flights 548, 549 & 550 - one hour 38 minutes - 184:49 total time - Victor 1+ 104:49 burned 3.50 gallons of fuel for and average burn rate of 2.14 gph over all. Cruised at 5,400 to 5,600 rpm, with EGT's running from 1,250 to 1,275 degrees F. Flew from Winchester to Versailles, Ohio (20.8 miles), and then on to Portland, Indiana (29.3 miles) and back to Winchester (19.7 miles). Got back to Winchester at a little before noon. Used the radio for the first time in Indiana. On take off from Winchester, I did not see a plane back taxiing. Because I used the radio, he got off on a turn about. Before leaving, I lowered the needle another quarter of a slot, safetied the hose clamp that had worked loose, added coolant, and I cranked in a half turn into the propeller in the correct direction. Radio would not transmit at Portland, but I believe the plug had slipped out a little from the socket, I must figure out a way to prevent this from happening Fuel burn per leg was 2.34 (included initial engine warm up), 2.15 and 1.95 gph. Straight line path distance was 70 miles so the FireFly made 20 mpg on the ground. Average ground to ground air speed was 42.7 mph. Average ground speed per leg was 42.2, 50.3, and 35.0 mph. I believe this is the best performance so far. The propeller needs another half turn to keep the engine below 6,400 rpm. It would be interesting to lower the needle another one quarter slot." Jack B. Hart FF004 Winchester, IN Do not archive Jack B. Hart jbhart@ldd.net ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:14:47 AM PST US From: "David Kulp" Subject: Kolb-List: --> Kolb-List message posted by: "David Kulp" Hello fellow Kolbers, I began rebuilding my Ultrastar a few years ago and had to put it on hold for priority reasons. In the interim, the fellow where I hangered my US died and I had to move my plane home, and left a box of parts, including the engine mounting hardware. Would one of you US owners be so kind as to list the parts and sequence from the engine mount bolts through the modified "A" on the airframe and into the inverted Cayuna 430 engine? Or a close-up shot emailed would do wonders. I'm back to reassembling my US and I'd really like to get that part right before I'm too far from earth. Thanks, Dave Kulp Bethlehem, PA ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:41:26 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: From: Herb Gayheart --> Kolb-List message posted by: Herb Gayheart David I can send you a high res shot of the engine mount page of the plans. Herb do not archive On Mon, 29 Aug 2005 12:14:02 -0400 "David Kulp" writes: > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "David Kulp" ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 11:56:49 AM PST US From: "David Kulp" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: --> Kolb-List message posted by: "David Kulp" Herb, that'd be great. Thanks much. I began the rebuild after an engine out with a nasty landing, so I've been reading with interest the current Cayuna engine out thread. Shortly before mine engine shut off I was calling a supplier for some parts, and when he asked what kind of engine I had, his response for "Cayuna" was, "That's Indian for quit in the air." And guess what! Dave Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Herb Gayheart" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: > --> Kolb-List message posted by: Herb Gayheart > > David > > I can send you a high res shot of the engine mount page of the plans. > Herb > > > do not archive > > > On Mon, 29 Aug 2005 12:14:02 -0400 "David Kulp" > writes: >> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "David Kulp" > > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 12:01:42 PM PST US From: "David Kulp" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: --> Kolb-List message posted by: "David Kulp" Hi, again, Herb. My plane is intact re: the drawings you sent. What I need to know is the items and sequence where it says "Engine bolts to here" in the drawings. The length and type of bolt (AN, Grade 5 or 8, etc.), the type of mounts (Lord, etc.), any washers and the sequence from the top of the A frame down into the engine. If you can enlighten me on that it'll be a home run. Thanks again, Herb, for your trouble. Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Herb Gayheart" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: > --> Kolb-List message posted by: Herb Gayheart > > David > > I can send you a high res shot of the engine mount page of the plans. > Herb > > > do not archive > > > On Mon, 29 Aug 2005 12:14:02 -0400 "David Kulp" > writes: >> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "David Kulp" > > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 01:55:32 PM PST US From: "jdmurr@juno.com" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: q --> Kolb-List message posted by: "jdmurr@juno.com" It was easier and safer to land and get out to start it. I never tried pulling from over my shoulder while in the plane, but I'm sure it's not easy. If I were over trees, then that's the first thing I would have tried. The next thing would have been the cute! John -- robert bean wrote: --> Kolb-List message posted by: robert bean I doubt that any redrive engine will windmill very well. Even high RPM direct drives with their stubby props are poor candidates, unless running very low compression. One of these days I'll try to hand prop my cog belt suzuki. The resistance is pretty stiff at TDC with 10:1 compression. -BB do not archive On 29, Aug 2005, at 9:00 AM, russ kinne wrote: > --> Kolb-List message posted by: russ kinne > > It's a VERY good idea to have a guard on vital switches -- a simple > metal flap that must be moved out of the way to move the switches -- so > they can't be switched off accidentally. Won't a Kolb restart in the > air if the mags are turned on again ? > do not archive > > It was easier and safer to land and get out to start it. I never tried pulling from over my shoulder while in the plane, but I'm sure it's not easy. If I were over trees, then that's the first thing I would have tried. The next thing would have been the cute! John --robertbeanslyck@frontiernet.netwrote: --Kolb-Listmessagepostedby:robertbeanslyck@frontiernet.net Idoubtthatanyredriveenginewillwindmillverywell.EvenhighRPM directdriveswiththeirstubbypropsarepoorcandidates,unless running verylowcompression.OneofthesedaysI'lltrytohandpropmy cogbeltsuzuki.TheresistanceisprettystiffatTDCwith10:1 compression. -BBdonotarchive On29,Aug2005,at9:00AM,russkinnewrote: --Kolb-Listmessagepostedby:russ& nbsp;kinnekinnepix@earthlink.net It'saVERYgoodideatohaveaguardonvitalswitches--asimple metalflapthatmustbemovedoutofthewaytomovetheswitches--so theycan'tbeswitchedoffaccidentally.Won'taKolbrestartinthe airifthemagsareturnedonagain? donotarchive iessuchastheSubscriptionspage, ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:47:39 PM PST US From: dralle@matronics.com (Matt Dralle) Subject: Kolb-List: Anyone Know The Story Behind This Crash? --> Kolb-List message posted by: dralle@matronics.com (Matt Dralle) Hi Listers, Does anyone know the story behind this aircraft and the crash? Almost looks like an RC model especially given the cameraman's rather unemotional comment following the crash. Kind of looks like the elevator may have been hooked up backwards following a rebuild. http://media4.big-boys.com/content/oldplanecrash.wmv Any information on this video would be intersting. Matt -- Matt G. Dralle | Matronics | P.O. Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 925-606-1001 Voice | 925-606-6281 FAX | dralle@matronics.com Email http://www.matronics.com/ W.W.W. | Featuring Products For Aircraft ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 11:19:54 PM PST US From: courierboy@earthlink.net Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Anyone Know The Story Behind This Crash? --> Kolb-List message posted by: courierboy@earthlink.net This looks more like a load-shift accident. Bill do not archive >--> Kolb-List message posted by: dralle@matronics.com (Matt Dralle) > > >Hi Listers, > >Does anyone know the story behind this aircraft and the crash? Almost >looks like an RC model especially given the cameraman's rather >unemotional comment following the crash. Kind of looks like the >elevator may have been hooked up backwards following a rebuild. > > http://media4.big-boys.com/content/oldplanecrash.wmv > >Any information on this video would be intersting. > >Matt > > >-- > > >Matt G. Dralle | Matronics | P.O. Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 >925-606-1001 Voice | 925-606-6281 FAX | dralle@matronics.com Email >http://www.matronics.com/ W.W.W. | Featuring Products For Aircraft > >