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1. 01:43 PM - q (russ kinne)
2. 01:59 PM - q (russ kinne)
3. 03:34 PM - Re: q "Aerial Restart" (John Hauck)
4. 04:47 PM - Re: Re: q "Aerial Restart" ()
5. 05:05 PM - Re: q "Aerial Restart" (ElleryWeld@aol.com)
6. 06:27 PM - Re: q "Aerial Restart" (John Hauck)
7. 06:44 PM - Good flying wx (Richard Pike)
8. 06:45 PM - Re: q "Aerial Restart" (Richard Pike)
9. 09:05 PM - Re: q "Aerial Restart" (ElleryWeld@aol.com)
10. 10:31 PM - TNK's homecoming (Rick Pearce)
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: russ kinne <kinnepix@earthlink.net>
A tragic video of the Caribou crash. That's a strong solid aircraft
with a proven safety record -- but none of them will fly with the
controls locked. Those poor guys didn't have a chance, not one.
I recall a DC-9 that crashed at LGA years ago, killing 81. It seems
that when the pilot ran up his engines, a rock blew into the elevator
hinge, effectively locking the elevators in the up position.
Ever since then, the last thing I do before pushing the throttle
forward for takeoff, is to move the stick left, right, forward and
back, to make sure I have full range of
flight controls. It's a good habit.
Russ Kinne
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: russ kinne <kinnepix@earthlink.net>
In re re-starting an engine in the air -- I know you probably couldn't
get enough airspeed in a Kolb to do it by windmilling -- but either
the electric or the hand starter should work -- would be even easier
than usual due to windmilling.
But of course it doesn't address the question of why it stopped in the
first place.
Has anyone any experience here?
Do Not arcghive
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| Subject: | Re: q "Aerial Restart" |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
couldn't
| get enough airspeed in a Kolb to do it by windmilling -- but either
| the electric or the hand starter should work -- would be even easier
| than usual due to windmilling.
| | Has anyone any experience here?
Russ/All:
Took the liberty to change the subject to reflect what you are talking
about. Still have no idea WTF the subject "Q" is.
To the best of my knowledge our little engines, two and four stroke,
driving the prop through a gear box, do not do aerial restarts by
windmilling.
As far as restarting in the air with the pull starter or electric
starter, both can be done successfully, most of the time, unless one
waits too long to attempt the restart. Once the engine gets chilled
off, which it does quite rapidly, chances are you ain't gonna restart
by pulling the string. Electric start....yes.
Actual engine failure, and not simply an engine that quit running
because it idled too long, etc., bests spend your time selecting and
flying the airplane to the best forced landing you can execute.
john h
MKIII
PS: Less than three weeks to the Kolb Homecoming. How many folks
going to try and get to London for the get together???
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| Subject: | Re: q "Aerial Restart" |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: <williamdgleason@bellsouth.net>
>
> From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
> Date: 2005/09/03 Sat PM 06:34:32 EDT
> To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: q "Aerial Restart"
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> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
>
> | In re re-starting an engine in the air -- I know you probably
> couldn't
>
>
> Russ/All:
>
> Took the liberty to change the subject to reflect what you are talking
> about. Still have no idea WTF the subject "Q" is.
>
> To the best of my knowledge our little engines, two and four stroke,
> driving the prop through a gear box, do not do aerial restarts by
> windmilling.
>
> As far as restarting in the air with the pull starter or electric
> starter, both can be done successfully, most of the time, unless one
> waits too long to attempt the restart. Once the engine gets chilled
> off, which it does quite rapidly, chances are you ain't gonna restart
> by pulling the string. Electric start....yes.
>
> Actual engine failure, and not simply an engine that quit running
> because it idled too long, etc., bests spend your time selecting and
> flying the airplane to the best forced landing you can execute.
>
> john h
> MKIII
>
> PS: Less than three weeks to the Kolb Homecoming. How many folks
> going to try and get to London for the get together???
>
>
>
> Several years ago I decided to give it a try and killed the engine on my MkII
After practicing
many dead stick landings at idle. IT restarted but was only off for a minute or
two. I restarted
about 5 ft. from the ground before touchdown. I do remember thinking that it wasn't
that difficult at the time but I was a little stronger 10 years ago. Also,
I was told by D&F Aviation that the 503 with point ignition is easier to start.
Dale, MkII
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: q "Aerial Restart" |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: ElleryWeld@aol.com
As long as the weather permits me to make my way from Maine I am planing on
being there still figuring out how long it will take me and what Day to leave
on and going that far I will have to give my self a couple extra days just
incase of bad weather what are the dates of the fly in anyway?
Original Firestar Plus Ellery
Batchelder Jr
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| Subject: | Re: q "Aerial Restart" |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
| Original Firestar Plus Ellery
Hi Ellery/Gang:
Sounds great!!
A good stop on the way down would be Homer Kolb's airstrip. I landed
there in my Firestar June 1988. Took me two days to fly there from my
place in Alabama. Homer was ecstatic when I circled the old home
place and landed. Seems like 100 years ago, but only been 17 if I
counted correctly on my fingers and some of my toes.
Let me know if I can be of any help.
See ya at London, Labhart Field.
Here is a url for the Kolb Homecoming:
http://www.kolbaircraft.com/
john h
MKIII
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org>
Finished the annual today, flew for 2.6 hours, wx was almost perfect. We
were headed for a little strip 54 miles away at the base of a high ridge
just east of Middlesboro, Kentucky, home of "Glacier Girl," the P-38 that
was retrieved from the Greenland glacier. By the time we had flown 5 miles
and climbed a couple thousand feet, we could see our destination 50 miles
away. For Blue Ridge Mountain flyers, that is unheard of visibility.
The couple who own White Rock Strip were very gracious, invited us back
tomorrow, they are having a fly-in, the giant cooker was already there with
about ten bags of charcoal next to it, planning to roast a pig.
Left there, looking for a strip we couldn't find, then went and flew over
the little town of Duffield - which was having their annual fall fling -
"Duffield Daze," watched the tractor pulls for a bit. Then went and landed
on Copperhead Ridge at Bill Williams strip, it is 400' long, and sloped
about 20 degrees up the side of a hill. You land up hill and take off down
hill (What else?) What is really cool is that it has two whoop-de-do's in
it, it is not even close to level, but landing, you slow down so quick it
doesn't matter, and taking off, you accelerate so quick it doesn't matter.
And when you need to stop and pee, what difference would it make anyway?
Finally got home just before sunset.
Noted during the annual that the 582 had no carbon in the exhaust ports and
only a light amount on the piston tops, rings free and normal, typically
run between 5,000 and 5,500 rpm using Phillips Injex. Since the prevailing
wind today was out of the NNW, and 90 degrees to all the ridges we had to
cross, it was pretty roller-coaster-y, so we flew at around 60, which is
5,100 rpm. Used about ten gallons in 2.6 hours, about 4 gallons an hour.
Excellent day.
Question: On the 582, the exhaust gaskets overlap the exhaust port at
either end. I am sure I bought the correct gaskets for this engine, I
noticed when I put them in last year that they overlapped the port a bit,
and I remember the gaskets on the 532 I used to have were the same way. Any
body else notice this with their engines?
Anyway, when I installed new gaskets, I took the Dremel tool and buzzed out
the gaskets to correctly fit the port size, and noticed about a 50 rpm
increase on climb out.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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| Subject: | Re: q "Aerial Restart" |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org>
Planning on it, and also the 582/Firestar II that lives next door is
planning on it.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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At 05:34 PM 9/3/05 -0500, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
>
>john h
>MKIII
>
>PS: Less than three weeks to the Kolb Homecoming. How many folks
>going to try and get to London for the get together???
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| Subject: | Re: q "Aerial Restart" |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: ElleryWeld@aol.com
If I had info on where to find Homers place I would like to stop in there and
thank him in person for his design of the Kolb and let him know how much I
really enjoy flyin it
Ellery in Maine
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| Subject: | TNK's homecoming |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Rick Pearce" <rap@isp.com>
I'm planning on going if we can get gas. Since I will be driving I don't want
to get in gas lines. I remember what it was like during the Arab embargo.
Rick Pearce 907 27000rd Parsons KS Kolb mark3 amphibious
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