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1. 03:11 AM - Re: Good flying wx (Jim Ballenger)
2. 04:33 AM - Gas (Bob and Jenn B)
3. 04:41 AM - Re: Engine (Richard Pike)
4. 08:38 AM - sunday flight (robert bean)
5. 01:14 PM - Two Miles High (kfackler)
6. 05:16 PM - Re: q "Aerial Restart" (Vince Nicely)
7. 06:30 PM - UL crash video (Mike Schnabel)
8. 06:53 PM - Re: UL crash video (John Hauck)
9. 07:11 PM - Re: WOODY-Dick (Ron)
10. 07:24 PM - Re: leaving this group (Ron)
11. 07:55 PM - Re: UL crash video (Chuck Stonex)
12. 08:20 PM - Re: UL crash video (Larry Bourne)
13. 08:38 PM - Paul Petty (Larry Bourne)
14. 08:48 PM - Re: Paul Petty (John Hauck)
15. 09:28 PM - Re: UL crash video (Chuck Stonex)
16. 10:20 PM - Re: UL crash video (ray anderson)
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| Subject: | Re: Good flying wx |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jim Ballenger" <ulpilot@cavtel.net>
Richard
Your flight yesterday sounds great. Thanks for the information on the 582
running at 5000 - 5500 rpm. I have one on my MK III X and normally run
between 5400 and 5800 rpm. Flying at 5400 rpm is much more pleasant from a
noise stand point in the cockpit and only a few mph less. I have 36 hours on
the engine and all the temps are in spec at all throttle setting. It is
interesting how you gained 50 rpm by trimming the gasket. I'll keep that
in mind when I inspect mine.
Thanks for your posting. They always give me a point to ponder.
Jim Ballenger
Selling a FS KXP 447
Flying a MK III X 582
Virginia Beach, VA
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> Noted during the annual that the 582 had no carbon in the exhaust ports
> and
> only a light amount on the piston tops, rings free and normal, typically
> run between 5,000 and 5,500 rpm using Phillips Injex.> Anyway, when I
> installed new gaskets, I took the Dremel tool and buzzed out
> the gaskets to correctly fit the port size, and noticed about a 50 rpm
> increase on climb out.
>
> Richard Pike
> MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
>
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bob and Jenn B" <tabberdd@hotmail.com>
Just driving through Delaware, I found gas at the fifth place I stopped.
None of the others had any. I'm not getting below a half tank anymore for
awhile.
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Time: 10:31:31 PM PST US
From: "Rick Pearce" <rap@isp.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: TNK's homecoming
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Rick Pearce" <rap@isp.com>
I'm planning on going if we can get gas. Since I will be driving I don't
want
to get in gas lines. I remember what it was like during the Arab embargo.
Rick Pearce 907 27000rd Parsons KS Kolb mark3 amphibious
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org>
I would expect the engine to be in OK shape. Do a crankcase test on it just
to be sure. You need to have a crankcase pressure tester anyway, now is a
good time to get one.
Randolph fabric coatings are great. I have used both Randolph and Stits,
and the same techniques apply to both. IMO, Randolph coatings dry a bit
quicker, which helps when you are applying all the tapes. This is a very
subjective opinion, but I remember Randolph as a bit quicker to work with.
Or maybe I was just getting old by the time I got to the Stits...
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
At 11:59 PM 9/3/05 -0700, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Martin" <kolbdriver@hotmail.com>
>
>Kolb group:
>
>I've got a chance to pick up a 2003 Rotax 503 with oil injection for what
>seems a reasonable price. The engine is still in its transport box. Would
>problems like internal corosion or deteriorating seals have developed over
>the 2 year period? What protective measures should I use if kept in storage
>for another year?
>
>Anybody familiar with the Randolph method of coverings/paints? Good?Bad?
>
>Thanks
>
>Don
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
Richard, nice flight report. I appreciated the "roller coaster"
description
as I'm only now beginning to feel comfortable in (a Kolb) in unstable
air. 'Tis a robust critter.
This morning, after a period lacking in air time, I had to go burn some
precious fuel.
My excuses being it will go stale sitting in the plane, and 2.5 gal/1.2
hours
isn't all that wasteful.
The cloud bottoms were at 1000 agl, scooting off lake Ontario.
Heading east established a good crab to get where I wanted.
Visited two grass strips that I haven't
been to in over 10
years. Not a soul to be seen. A little chilly even wearing a lined
flannel
shirt. Doors are definitely on the agenda for winter.
Only when I got within a couple miles of home did I get a few
whoop-de-do
seat levitations. Nice to get out and stand in some warm sun again.
-BB, MkIII, suzuki, maybe I'll get that 40 hours by winter.
do not archive
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "kfackler" <kfackler@ameritech.net>
My previous flight having been "disallowed" because it was not in a Kolb,
I'm happy to report that today I drove the Mark II to 10,640 feet msl, thus
insuring a full 10,000 feet above the ground. And that with a Rotax 503,
mind you! It was a well-nigh perfect day in the Michigan Thumb this morning.
I and another Kolber, Mark Gray, who flies a Firestar II, took off about 8am
from Ray Community (57D) near the thumb's "knuckle" and flew straight up to
the tip of the thumb, landing at Bad Axe for fuel. We then went west to the
Saginaw Bar coastline, which was glorious, and followed it south over
Sebewaing and then on to near Bay City before heading southwest to go to
Chesaning for lunch and another fuel stop. On the way home, we flew over
Kirk (Snuffy) Smith's place in Columbiaville and then angled for home. It
was on this final leg that I sent her "over the top." All in all, a
delightful morning of flying, 4.6 hours and over 250 miles covered. Not in
Brother Hauk's league, but it'll do, pig, it'll do.
-Ken Fackler
Kolb Mark II / A722KWF
Rochester MI
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| Subject: | Re: q "Aerial Restart" |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Vince Nicely" <vincenic@xtn.net>
Russ/All,
I can give some specific information on two parts of this subject.
503 DCDI with 72 inch 2-blade IVO Prop B Gear Box with 2.58 Ratio
First, I have a Kolb Firestar II with 503 DCDI engine with electric restart.
Let's think about an air restart by the pull starter. My pull starter is
rigged so I can pull it by reaching over my shoulder, grasping the handle
and pulling it. If I pull the rope starter for the stopped engine when it
is in the air decending at 70 mph, it is like sitting on the ground and
pulling it. In neither case can I start the engine by sitting in the
cockpit and pulling the starter. With the engine stopped and the airplane
in the air, the electric starter works just like on the ground too. If you
need the enricher circuit because the engine has cooled, then it works just
like on the ground. When the ignition switches are switched off in the air,
my engine stops turning in a small time.
582 with 64 inch 2-blade Warp Drive Prop with E Gear Box with 2.62 Gear
Ratio
This engine was on a Sonerai aircraft which was in a tractor position on the
front of the aircraft. This aircraft is somewhat faster than a Kolb so the
prop was set at a 17.5 degree angle so the aircraft would fly about 135 mph
at 6500 rpm and about 70 mph at 4500 RPM. With all that background, the
engine would windmill after the ignition was turned off until the airspeed
decreased to somewhere in the 70-80 mph range. Then, the prop would stop
windmilling, but it would rotate slowly as the compression leaked off the
cylinders so I could watch it turn slowly in a step-wise fashion. After
rotation stopped, my notes from the times of the tests show that the prop
was only turning slowly upto at least 85 mph. The engine would restart by
restarting windmilling at a higher airspeed in a dive because I have
restarted it that way but I have no notes on the speed required. It may
have been 120 mph or higher. On one occasion, I was having fun gliding the
aircraft with the engine off and rotation stopped beginning at about 7000 ft
agl and I made an attemp to restart it at about 2500 ft agl. The engine
started windmilling after the electric start was engaged, but did not fire
at all. So, I began to plan for an off-field landing and then went throught
the potential problems. As soon as I pulled the enricher lever, the engine
started immediately. That was the first time I really let it cool after
stopping and before restart and it was surely different starting a cool
engine than a fully warmed engine.
Vince Nicely
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Mike Schnabel <tnfirestar2@yahoo.com>
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Subject: Re: [ultralightchapter104] UL crash video
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Great video Barry. Four seconds from engine stoppage
to impact. The FAA says it takes a pilot about five
seconds after an engine failure to realize what has
happened. Only then can the pilot begin to perform
the emergency procedures.
Powerful...thanks for sending the link.
-Gary
--- beartooth37129 <barryglenn@comcast.net> wrote:
> I don't know if any of you have seen this or not. If
> so....sorry for
> the repeat. Remember...."ALTITUDE IS OUR FRIEND".
>
>
> http://www.frogflyers.com/CrashVideo.wmv
>
>
> Barry
>
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>
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Great video Barry. Four seconds from engine stoppage
to impact. The FAA says it takes a pilot about five
seconds after an engine failure to realize what has
happened. Only then can the pilot begin to perform
the emergency procedures.
Powerful...thanks for sending the link.
-Gary
--- beartooth37129 barryglenn@comcast.net wrote:
I don't know if any of you have seen this or not. If
so....sorry for
the repeat. Remember....ALTITUDE IS OUR FRIEND.
http://www.frogflyers.com/CrashVideo.wmv
Barry
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| Subject: | Re: UL crash video |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
|
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| http://www.frogflyers.com/CrashVideo.wmv
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|
| Barry
Mike S/Gang:
Take particular note what this pilot does when the engine quits. He
has just passed over a long straight dirt/gravel road. Instead of
banking left and pushing the stick forward, he immediately tries to
make the UL levitate by pulling all the way back on the control stick.
No wonder it went down so fast. He stalled the aircraft before it
went into the trees.
I may be speaking out of turn as I have zero experience in any other
UL except Kolbs and Burt Howland's Honeybee.
A good piece of teaching video!!!
john h
MKIII
PS: This one ought to be archived so others can refresh themselves
prior to engine failure.
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Ron <CaptainRon1@cox.net>
Hey Woody
Glad to hear you are ok considering all.
Best wishes for a speedy recovery.
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| Subject: | : Kolb-List:leaving this group |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Ron <CaptainRon1@cox.net>
That's unfortunate. Factory service here is first rate, too bad the
Brit counter part is not doing all he can.
=============================
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Carl Trollope" <flash_too@yahoo.co.uk>
>
>I am leaving this group as I no longer have a Kolb...
>
>An unfortunate incident lead to my Kolb sustaining damage to cage and
>boom...
>
>No problem I thought .... just order the spares from the states....
>
>Great idea, the factory were great with advice and help but then Kolb put me
>in touch with the UK importer......
>
>Well.....
>
>After a deafening silence of many months I have unfortunately decided that I
>can wait no longer...
>
>So I have now ordered a Skyranger....whose importer seems to offer an
>excellent service..
>
>So if anyone wants a set of wings and tailplanes etc for a Kolb MkIII......
>
>Carl
>
>
>
>How much free photo storage do you get? Store your holiday
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: UL crash video |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Chuck Stonex" <cstonex@msn.com>
Looked like to me that he forgot to fly the plane. Looked like a Quick
Silver which as I understand it has a good glide ratio.
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
| the repeat. Remember....ALTITUDE IS OUR FRIEND.
|
|
| http://www.frogflyers.com/CrashVideo.wmv
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|
| Barry
Mike S/Gang:
Take particular note what this pilot does when the engine quits. He
has just passed over a long straight dirt/gravel road. Instead of
banking left and pushing the stick forward, he immediately tries to
make the UL levitate by pulling all the way back on the control stick.
No wonder it went down so fast. He stalled the aircraft before it
went into the trees.
I may be speaking out of turn as I have zero experience in any other
UL except Kolbs and Burt Howland's Honeybee.
A good piece of teaching video!!!
john h
MKIII
PS: This one ought to be archived so others can refresh themselves
prior to engine failure.
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| Subject: | Re: UL crash video |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
I dunno........?? I've got a few hours in a Quicksilver 2 seater, and it
was tough to get used to landing procedure. Coming in on final at 300 ft,
the instructor told me (and showed me) to wait till the numbers were between
my feet, chop the throttle, point the nose down and keep the Hall airspeed
indicator at 45 mph (if I remember right) and flare at the very last second.
It was a little (??) hair raising at 1st, and we came down very
steeply.......I'd guess at a 45 deg angle, and we'd touch down not much past
the numbers. Not much of a glide ratio there.
I think you and John are right, tho'. Looks like he forgot to fly the
plane, for all the time he had TO fly it.
Lar.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Building Kolb Mk III
N78LB Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chuck Stonex" <cstonex@msn.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: UL crash video
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Chuck Stonex" <cstonex@msn.com>
>
> Looked like to me that he forgot to fly the plane. Looked like a Quick
> Silver which as I understand it has a good glide ratio.
>
>
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
>
> | the repeat. Remember....ALTITUDE IS OUR FRIEND.
>
> Mike S/Gang:
>
> Take particular note what this pilot does when the engine quits. He
> has just passed over a long straight dirt/gravel road. Instead of
> banking left and pushing the stick forward, he immediately tries to
> make the UL levitate by pulling all the way back on the control stick.
> No wonder it went down so fast. He stalled the aircraft before it
> went into the trees.
>
> I may be speaking out of turn as I have zero experience in any other
> UL except Kolbs and Burt Howland's Honeybee.
>
> A good piece of teaching video!!!
>
> john h
> MKIII
>
> PS: This one ought to be archived so others can refresh themselves
> prior to engine failure.
>
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Paul, are you out there ?? How did the storm affect you ?? Hope you and Miss
Dixie are OK. Lar. Do not Archive.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Building Kolb Mk III
N78LB Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
| Paul, are you out there ?? How did the storm affect you ?? Hope
you and Miss Dixie are OK. Lar. Do
not Archive.
Larry/All:
Got a call from Paul Petty. He and his family survived the hurricane
with flying colors.
john h
MKIII
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: UL crash video |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Chuck Stonex" <cstonex@msn.com>
Sounds like landing T-Bird. IT has the trajectory of a 300 lb box of rocks.
I have never flown Quick Silver. I always thought they had a good ratio. But
I have flown T-Bird.
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
I dunno........?? I've got a few hours in a Quicksilver 2 seater, and it
was tough to get used to landing procedure. Coming in on final at 300 ft,
the instructor told me (and showed me) to wait till the numbers were between
my feet, chop the throttle, point the nose down and keep the Hall airspeed
indicator at 45 mph (if I remember right) and flare at the very last second.
It was a little (??) hair raising at 1st, and we came down very
steeply.......I'd guess at a 45 deg angle, and we'd touch down not much past
the numbers. Not much of a glide ratio there.
I think you and John are right, tho'. Looks like he forgot to fly the
plane, for all the time he had TO fly it.
Lar.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Building Kolb Mk III
N78LB Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chuck Stonex" <cstonex@msn.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: UL crash video
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Chuck Stonex" <cstonex@msn.com>
>
> Looked like to me that he forgot to fly the plane. Looked like a Quick
> Silver which as I understand it has a good glide ratio.
>
>
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
>
> | the repeat. Remember....ALTITUDE IS OUR FRIEND.
> |
> |
> | http://www.frogflyers.com/CrashVideo.wmv
> |
> |
> | Barry
>
> Mike S/Gang:
>
> Take particular note what this pilot does when the engine quits. He
> has just passed over a long straight dirt/gravel road. Instead of
> banking left and pushing the stick forward, he immediately tries to
> make the UL levitate by pulling all the way back on the control stick.
> No wonder it went down so fast. He stalled the aircraft before it
> went into the trees.
>
> I may be speaking out of turn as I have zero experience in any other
> UL except Kolbs and Burt Howland's Honeybee.
>
> A good piece of teaching video!!!
>
> john h
> MKIII
>
> PS: This one ought to be archived so others can refresh themselves
> prior to engine failure.
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: UL crash video |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: ray anderson <rsanoa@yahoo.com>
Another example of where a BRS Ballistic might have spared him a lot of misery.
Like the American Express Card add says, "Never leave home without it".
Mike Schnabel <tnfirestar2@yahoo.com> wrote:
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Mike Schnabel
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Great video Barry. Four seconds from engine stoppage
to impact. The FAA says it takes a pilot about five
seconds after an engine failure to realize what has
happened. Only then can the pilot begin to perform
the emergency procedures.
Powerful...thanks for sending the link.
-Gary
--- beartooth37129 wrote:
> I don't know if any of you have seen this or not. If
> so....sorry for
> the repeat. Remember...."ALTITUDE IS OUR FRIEND".
>
>
> http://www.frogflyers.com/CrashVideo.wmv
>
>
> Barry
>
>
>
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Great video Barry. Four seconds from engine stoppage
to impact. The FAA says it takes a pilot about five
seconds after an engine failure to realize what has
happened. Only then can the pilot begin to perform
the emergency procedures.
Powerful...thanks for sending the link.
-Gary
--- beartooth37129 barryglenn@comcast.net wrote:
I don't know if any of you have seen this or not. If
so....sorry for
the repeat. Remember....ALTITUDE IS OUR FRIEND.
http://www.frogflyers.com/CrashVideo.wmv
Barry
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