---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 09/04/05: 16 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:11 AM - Re: Good flying wx (Jim Ballenger) 2. 04:33 AM - Gas (Bob and Jenn B) 3. 04:41 AM - Re: Engine (Richard Pike) 4. 08:38 AM - sunday flight (robert bean) 5. 01:14 PM - Two Miles High (kfackler) 6. 05:16 PM - Re: q "Aerial Restart" (Vince Nicely) 7. 06:30 PM - UL crash video (Mike Schnabel) 8. 06:53 PM - Re: UL crash video (John Hauck) 9. 07:11 PM - Re: WOODY-Dick (Ron) 10. 07:24 PM - Re: leaving this group (Ron) 11. 07:55 PM - Re: UL crash video (Chuck Stonex) 12. 08:20 PM - Re: UL crash video (Larry Bourne) 13. 08:38 PM - Paul Petty (Larry Bourne) 14. 08:48 PM - Re: Paul Petty (John Hauck) 15. 09:28 PM - Re: UL crash video (Chuck Stonex) 16. 10:20 PM - Re: UL crash video (ray anderson) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:11:08 AM PST US From: "Jim Ballenger" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Good flying wx --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jim Ballenger" Richard Your flight yesterday sounds great. Thanks for the information on the 582 running at 5000 - 5500 rpm. I have one on my MK III X and normally run between 5400 and 5800 rpm. Flying at 5400 rpm is much more pleasant from a noise stand point in the cockpit and only a few mph less. I have 36 hours on the engine and all the temps are in spec at all throttle setting. It is interesting how you gained 50 rpm by trimming the gasket. I'll keep that in mind when I inspect mine. Thanks for your posting. They always give me a point to ponder. Jim Ballenger Selling a FS KXP 447 Flying a MK III X 582 Virginia Beach, VA Do Not Archive > Noted during the annual that the 582 had no carbon in the exhaust ports > and > only a light amount on the piston tops, rings free and normal, typically > run between 5,000 and 5,500 rpm using Phillips Injex.> Anyway, when I > installed new gaskets, I took the Dremel tool and buzzed out > the gaskets to correctly fit the port size, and noticed about a 50 rpm > increase on climb out. > > Richard Pike > MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) > > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:33:50 AM PST US From: "Bob and Jenn B" Subject: Kolb-List: Gas --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bob and Jenn B" Just driving through Delaware, I found gas at the fifth place I stopped. None of the others had any. I'm not getting below a half tank anymore for awhile. Do Not Archive Time: 10:31:31 PM PST US From: "Rick Pearce" Subject: Kolb-List: TNK's homecoming --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Rick Pearce" I'm planning on going if we can get gas. Since I will be driving I don't want to get in gas lines. I remember what it was like during the Arab embargo. Rick Pearce 907 27000rd Parsons KS Kolb mark3 amphibious do not archive ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:41:29 AM PST US From: Richard Pike Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Engine --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike I would expect the engine to be in OK shape. Do a crankcase test on it just to be sure. You need to have a crankcase pressure tester anyway, now is a good time to get one. Randolph fabric coatings are great. I have used both Randolph and Stits, and the same techniques apply to both. IMO, Randolph coatings dry a bit quicker, which helps when you are applying all the tapes. This is a very subjective opinion, but I remember Randolph as a bit quicker to work with. Or maybe I was just getting old by the time I got to the Stits... Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) At 11:59 PM 9/3/05 -0700, you wrote: >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Martin" > >Kolb group: > >I've got a chance to pick up a 2003 Rotax 503 with oil injection for what >seems a reasonable price. The engine is still in its transport box. Would >problems like internal corosion or deteriorating seals have developed over >the 2 year period? What protective measures should I use if kept in storage >for another year? > >Anybody familiar with the Randolph method of coverings/paints? Good?Bad? > >Thanks > >Don > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:38:20 AM PST US From: robert bean Subject: Kolb-List: sunday flight --> Kolb-List message posted by: robert bean Richard, nice flight report. I appreciated the "roller coaster" description as I'm only now beginning to feel comfortable in (a Kolb) in unstable air. 'Tis a robust critter. This morning, after a period lacking in air time, I had to go burn some precious fuel. My excuses being it will go stale sitting in the plane, and 2.5 gal/1.2 hours isn't all that wasteful. The cloud bottoms were at 1000 agl, scooting off lake Ontario. Heading east established a good crab to get where I wanted. Visited two grass strips that I haven't been to in over 10 years. Not a soul to be seen. A little chilly even wearing a lined flannel shirt. Doors are definitely on the agenda for winter. Only when I got within a couple miles of home did I get a few whoop-de-do seat levitations. Nice to get out and stand in some warm sun again. -BB, MkIII, suzuki, maybe I'll get that 40 hours by winter. do not archive ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 01:14:05 PM PST US From: "kfackler" Subject: Kolb-List: Two Miles High --> Kolb-List message posted by: "kfackler" My previous flight having been "disallowed" because it was not in a Kolb, I'm happy to report that today I drove the Mark II to 10,640 feet msl, thus insuring a full 10,000 feet above the ground. And that with a Rotax 503, mind you! It was a well-nigh perfect day in the Michigan Thumb this morning. I and another Kolber, Mark Gray, who flies a Firestar II, took off about 8am from Ray Community (57D) near the thumb's "knuckle" and flew straight up to the tip of the thumb, landing at Bad Axe for fuel. We then went west to the Saginaw Bar coastline, which was glorious, and followed it south over Sebewaing and then on to near Bay City before heading southwest to go to Chesaning for lunch and another fuel stop. On the way home, we flew over Kirk (Snuffy) Smith's place in Columbiaville and then angled for home. It was on this final leg that I sent her "over the top." All in all, a delightful morning of flying, 4.6 hours and over 250 miles covered. Not in Brother Hauk's league, but it'll do, pig, it'll do. -Ken Fackler Kolb Mark II / A722KWF Rochester MI ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 05:16:22 PM PST US From: "Vince Nicely" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: q "Aerial Restart" --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Vince Nicely" Russ/All, I can give some specific information on two parts of this subject. 503 DCDI with 72 inch 2-blade IVO Prop B Gear Box with 2.58 Ratio First, I have a Kolb Firestar II with 503 DCDI engine with electric restart. Let's think about an air restart by the pull starter. My pull starter is rigged so I can pull it by reaching over my shoulder, grasping the handle and pulling it. If I pull the rope starter for the stopped engine when it is in the air decending at 70 mph, it is like sitting on the ground and pulling it. In neither case can I start the engine by sitting in the cockpit and pulling the starter. With the engine stopped and the airplane in the air, the electric starter works just like on the ground too. If you need the enricher circuit because the engine has cooled, then it works just like on the ground. When the ignition switches are switched off in the air, my engine stops turning in a small time. 582 with 64 inch 2-blade Warp Drive Prop with E Gear Box with 2.62 Gear Ratio This engine was on a Sonerai aircraft which was in a tractor position on the front of the aircraft. This aircraft is somewhat faster than a Kolb so the prop was set at a 17.5 degree angle so the aircraft would fly about 135 mph at 6500 rpm and about 70 mph at 4500 RPM. With all that background, the engine would windmill after the ignition was turned off until the airspeed decreased to somewhere in the 70-80 mph range. Then, the prop would stop windmilling, but it would rotate slowly as the compression leaked off the cylinders so I could watch it turn slowly in a step-wise fashion. After rotation stopped, my notes from the times of the tests show that the prop was only turning slowly upto at least 85 mph. The engine would restart by restarting windmilling at a higher airspeed in a dive because I have restarted it that way but I have no notes on the speed required. It may have been 120 mph or higher. On one occasion, I was having fun gliding the aircraft with the engine off and rotation stopped beginning at about 7000 ft agl and I made an attemp to restart it at about 2500 ft agl. The engine started windmilling after the electric start was engaged, but did not fire at all. So, I began to plan for an off-field landing and then went throught the potential problems. As soon as I pulled the enricher lever, the engine started immediately. That was the first time I really let it cool after stopping and before restart and it was surely different starting a cool engine than a fully warmed engine. Vince Nicely ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:30:39 PM PST US From: Mike Schnabel Subject: Kolb-List: UL crash video --> Kolb-List message posted by: Mike Schnabel Received this from EAA 104 Ultralight member, thought it was worth passing along... Note: forwarded message attached. Authentication-Results: mta105.mail.mud.yahoo.com from=yahoogroups.com; domainkeys=pass (ok) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Sep 2005 22:20:37 -0000 by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Sep 2005 22:20:37 -0000 From: trimspeed List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: Subject: Re: [ultralightchapter104] UL crash video --hkdbIZrBjBWhOIUaLID6TH0hdAXOhck3QCjMg6d Great video Barry. Four seconds from engine stoppage to impact. The FAA says it takes a pilot about five seconds after an engine failure to realize what has happened. Only then can the pilot begin to perform the emergency procedures. Powerful...thanks for sending the link. -Gary --- beartooth37129 wrote: > I don't know if any of you have seen this or not. If > so....sorry for > the repeat. Remember...."ALTITUDE IS OUR FRIEND". > > > http://www.frogflyers.com/CrashVideo.wmv > > > Barry > > > --hkdbIZrBjBWhOIUaLID6TH0hdAXOhck3QCjMg6d Great video Barry. Four seconds from engine stoppage to impact. The FAA says it takes a pilot about five seconds after an engine failure to realize what has happened. Only then can the pilot begin to perform the emergency procedures. Powerful...thanks for sending the link. -Gary --- beartooth37129 barryglenn@comcast.net wrote: I don't know if any of you have seen this or not. If so....sorry for the repeat. Remember....ALTITUDE IS OUR FRIEND. http://www.frogflyers.com/CrashVideo.wmv Barry Visit your group "ultralightchapter104" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: ultralightchapter104-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com --hkdbIZrBjBWhOIUaLID6TH0hdAXOhck3QCjMg6d-- ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 06:53:29 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: UL crash video --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" | | | http://www.frogflyers.com/CrashVideo.wmv | | | Barry Mike S/Gang: Take particular note what this pilot does when the engine quits. He has just passed over a long straight dirt/gravel road. Instead of banking left and pushing the stick forward, he immediately tries to make the UL levitate by pulling all the way back on the control stick. No wonder it went down so fast. He stalled the aircraft before it went into the trees. I may be speaking out of turn as I have zero experience in any other UL except Kolbs and Burt Howland's Honeybee. A good piece of teaching video!!! john h MKIII PS: This one ought to be archived so others can refresh themselves prior to engine failure. ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:11:32 PM PST US From: Ron Subject: Re: Kolb-List: WOODY-Dick --> Kolb-List message posted by: Ron Hey Woody Glad to hear you are ok considering all. Best wishes for a speedy recovery. ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 07:24:30 PM PST US From: Ron Subject: RE: Kolb-List:leaving this group --> Kolb-List message posted by: Ron That's unfortunate. Factory service here is first rate, too bad the Brit counter part is not doing all he can. ============================= >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Carl Trollope" > >I am leaving this group as I no longer have a Kolb... > >An unfortunate incident lead to my Kolb sustaining damage to cage and >boom... > >No problem I thought .... just order the spares from the states.... > >Great idea, the factory were great with advice and help but then Kolb put me >in touch with the UK importer...... > >Well..... > >After a deafening silence of many months I have unfortunately decided that I >can wait no longer... > >So I have now ordered a Skyranger....whose importer seems to offer an >excellent service.. > >So if anyone wants a set of wings and tailplanes etc for a Kolb MkIII...... > >Carl > > > >How much free photo storage do you get? Store your holiday > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 07:55:06 PM PST US From: "Chuck Stonex" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: UL crash video --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Chuck Stonex" Looked like to me that he forgot to fly the plane. Looked like a Quick Silver which as I understand it has a good glide ratio. --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" | the repeat. Remember....ALTITUDE IS OUR FRIEND. | | | http://www.frogflyers.com/CrashVideo.wmv | | | Barry Mike S/Gang: Take particular note what this pilot does when the engine quits. He has just passed over a long straight dirt/gravel road. Instead of banking left and pushing the stick forward, he immediately tries to make the UL levitate by pulling all the way back on the control stick. No wonder it went down so fast. He stalled the aircraft before it went into the trees. I may be speaking out of turn as I have zero experience in any other UL except Kolbs and Burt Howland's Honeybee. A good piece of teaching video!!! john h MKIII PS: This one ought to be archived so others can refresh themselves prior to engine failure. ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 08:20:38 PM PST US From: "Larry Bourne" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: UL crash video --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" I dunno........?? I've got a few hours in a Quicksilver 2 seater, and it was tough to get used to landing procedure. Coming in on final at 300 ft, the instructor told me (and showed me) to wait till the numbers were between my feet, chop the throttle, point the nose down and keep the Hall airspeed indicator at 45 mph (if I remember right) and flare at the very last second. It was a little (??) hair raising at 1st, and we came down very steeply.......I'd guess at a 45 deg angle, and we'd touch down not much past the numbers. Not much of a glide ratio there. I think you and John are right, tho'. Looks like he forgot to fly the plane, for all the time he had TO fly it. Lar. Larry Bourne Palm Springs, CA Building Kolb Mk III N78LB Vamoose www.gogittum.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Stonex" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: UL crash video > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Chuck Stonex" > > Looked like to me that he forgot to fly the plane. Looked like a Quick > Silver which as I understand it has a good glide ratio. > > > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" > > | the repeat. Remember....ALTITUDE IS OUR FRIEND. > > Mike S/Gang: > > Take particular note what this pilot does when the engine quits. He > has just passed over a long straight dirt/gravel road. Instead of > banking left and pushing the stick forward, he immediately tries to > make the UL levitate by pulling all the way back on the control stick. > No wonder it went down so fast. He stalled the aircraft before it > went into the trees. > > I may be speaking out of turn as I have zero experience in any other > UL except Kolbs and Burt Howland's Honeybee. > > A good piece of teaching video!!! > > john h > MKIII > > PS: This one ought to be archived so others can refresh themselves > prior to engine failure. > > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 08:38:26 PM PST US From: "Larry Bourne" Subject: Kolb-List: Paul Petty --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" Paul, are you out there ?? How did the storm affect you ?? Hope you and Miss Dixie are OK. Lar. Do not Archive. Larry Bourne Palm Springs, CA Building Kolb Mk III N78LB Vamoose www.gogittum.com ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 08:48:03 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Paul Petty --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" | Paul, are you out there ?? How did the storm affect you ?? Hope you and Miss Dixie are OK. Lar. Do not Archive. Larry/All: Got a call from Paul Petty. He and his family survived the hurricane with flying colors. john h MKIII DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 09:28:15 PM PST US From: "Chuck Stonex" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: UL crash video --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Chuck Stonex" Sounds like landing T-Bird. IT has the trajectory of a 300 lb box of rocks. I have never flown Quick Silver. I always thought they had a good ratio. But I have flown T-Bird. --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" I dunno........?? I've got a few hours in a Quicksilver 2 seater, and it was tough to get used to landing procedure. Coming in on final at 300 ft, the instructor told me (and showed me) to wait till the numbers were between my feet, chop the throttle, point the nose down and keep the Hall airspeed indicator at 45 mph (if I remember right) and flare at the very last second. It was a little (??) hair raising at 1st, and we came down very steeply.......I'd guess at a 45 deg angle, and we'd touch down not much past the numbers. Not much of a glide ratio there. I think you and John are right, tho'. Looks like he forgot to fly the plane, for all the time he had TO fly it. Lar. Larry Bourne Palm Springs, CA Building Kolb Mk III N78LB Vamoose www.gogittum.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Stonex" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: UL crash video > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Chuck Stonex" > > Looked like to me that he forgot to fly the plane. Looked like a Quick > Silver which as I understand it has a good glide ratio. > > > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" > > | the repeat. Remember....ALTITUDE IS OUR FRIEND. > | > | > | http://www.frogflyers.com/CrashVideo.wmv > | > | > | Barry > > Mike S/Gang: > > Take particular note what this pilot does when the engine quits. He > has just passed over a long straight dirt/gravel road. Instead of > banking left and pushing the stick forward, he immediately tries to > make the UL levitate by pulling all the way back on the control stick. > No wonder it went down so fast. He stalled the aircraft before it > went into the trees. > > I may be speaking out of turn as I have zero experience in any other > UL except Kolbs and Burt Howland's Honeybee. > > A good piece of teaching video!!! > > john h > MKIII > > PS: This one ought to be archived so others can refresh themselves > prior to engine failure. > > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 10:20:13 PM PST US From: ray anderson Subject: Re: Kolb-List: UL crash video --> Kolb-List message posted by: ray anderson Another example of where a BRS Ballistic might have spared him a lot of misery. Like the American Express Card add says, "Never leave home without it". Mike Schnabel wrote: --> Kolb-List message posted by: Mike Schnabel Received this from EAA 104 Ultralight member, thought it was worth passing along... Note: forwarded message attached. Authentication-Results: mta105.mail.mud.yahoo.com from=yahoogroups.com; domainkeys=pass (ok) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Sep 2005 22:20:37 -0000 by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Sep 2005 22:20:37 -0000 From: trimspeed List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: Subject: Re: [ultralightchapter104] UL crash video --hkdbIZrBjBWhOIUaLID6TH0hdAXOhck3QCjMg6d Great video Barry. Four seconds from engine stoppage to impact. The FAA says it takes a pilot about five seconds after an engine failure to realize what has happened. Only then can the pilot begin to perform the emergency procedures. Powerful...thanks for sending the link. -Gary --- beartooth37129 wrote: > I don't know if any of you have seen this or not. If > so....sorry for > the repeat. Remember...."ALTITUDE IS OUR FRIEND". > > > http://www.frogflyers.com/CrashVideo.wmv > > > Barry > > > --hkdbIZrBjBWhOIUaLID6TH0hdAXOhck3QCjMg6d Great video Barry. Four seconds from engine stoppage to impact. The FAA says it takes a pilot about five seconds after an engine failure to realize what has happened. Only then can the pilot begin to perform the emergency procedures. Powerful...thanks for sending the link. -Gary --- beartooth37129 barryglenn@comcast.net wrote: I don't know if any of you have seen this or not. If so....sorry for the repeat. Remember....ALTITUDE IS OUR FRIEND. http://www.frogflyers.com/CrashVideo.wmv Barry Visit your group "ultralightchapter104" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: ultralightchapter104-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com --hkdbIZrBjBWhOIUaLID6TH0hdAXOhck3QCjMg6d--