---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 09/10/05: 18 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:04 AM - Re: Geo engine (Richard Swiderski) 2. 07:51 AM - Re: Geo engine (Larry Bourne) 3. 12:27 PM - Re: Geo engine (russ kinne) 4. 01:10 PM - Engine problems (flykolb) 5. 01:34 PM - Re: Engine problems (George T. Alexander, Jr.) 6. 01:40 PM - Re: Engine problems (flykolb) 7. 01:50 PM - Re: Engine problems (Mhqqqqq@aol.com) 8. 02:01 PM - No Fun to Fly (Mike Pierzina) 9. 03:00 PM - Re: Engine problems/532 Gear Chatter (John Hauck) 10. 03:07 PM - Re: Engine problems/532 Gear Chatter (flykolb) 11. 03:23 PM - Re: No Fun to Fly (Chuck Stonex) 12. 03:31 PM - Re: Engine problems/532 Gear Chatter (John Hauck) 13. 03:38 PM - Re: Engine problems/532 Gear Chatter (flykolb) 14. 04:02 PM - Re: Engine problems/532 Gear Chatter (Richard Pike) 15. 04:02 PM - Re: Engine problems (Rusty) 16. 04:07 PM - Re: Oily Vamoose (Larry Bourne) 17. 04:23 PM - ExperCraft build log (Robert Riggen) 18. 07:40 PM - BRS chute installation (curtis groote) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:04:16 AM PST US From: "Richard Swiderski" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Geo engine --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard Swiderski" Rusty, The TNK 06 is a tempting challenge. Its kind of humbling to be considered as a possibly in the same league as the Big Lar. Too bad for me you didn't archive that post, it could have been my shot at a Kolb legacy. Richard Swiderski Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rusty Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Geo engine --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Rusty" <13brv3c@bellsouth.net> Hi Richard, Thanks for the info. I was just looking for a ballpark figure, so there's no need to weight it. I should be OK, with the current 44 pounder,[Richard Swiderski] b but I'll be looking to trim that down in the next revision. I'm going to let the CG be pretty far aft, and maybe add some weight to the nose if needed, because I know that I can take off 20-30 lbs of weight on the engine in future versions. Sorry to hear about all the delays. I usually attribute that level of excuses to Big Lar, but in your case, I believe you. Now that you're getting better, it's time to get that thing finished. How about this, let's both plan to be at the 2006 homecoming. Imagine two alternate engine SS's. I'm already thinking climb contest :-) I've sold the RV-3, and will deliver it to TN next week. After that, I need to get serious about finishing the rework of the cage and other damaged parts. The engine and mount are all done, but I can't do much else until I get done with the cage. I have to recover everything too, and long time readers of the list know how much I love that :-) Cheers, Rusty (looking for more white polytone) Do not archive (so I can deny I said I'd be there next year) ------------------------ The SPG-2 weighs in under 30 lbs. Forgot the exact number, but I can weigh it if you want. As to when I will finish, how am I to know? I thought it would be about 4 years ago! Life has its detours. Now that I am about 80% recovered from that Lymme's disease, I will be chipping away at it with regularity. My neighbor just did his maiden flight of his RV-7 & has a smile pasted to his face. There ought to be a law against having so much fun when your neighbor is down. -Richard ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:51:53 AM PST US From: "Larry Bourne" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Geo engine --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" Yah, ol' Lar's watchin' all this and makin' notes.....seein' who my friends are. :-) Redrive still has me bogged down. Removed it, filled it with oil, and pressurized it a couple of days ago, and it wouldn't leak a drop. Finally blew a silicone plug on the back, but never did leak a drop at the seal that pours oil when it's running. Even tried rotating the shafts by hand while pressurized. Nada. Phooey - going on a drive up into the mountains today in the Baja Bug. Lar. Do not Archive. Larry Bourne Palm Springs, CA Building Kolb Mk III N78LB Vamoose www.gogittum.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Swiderski" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Geo engine > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard Swiderski" > > > Rusty, > The TNK 06 is a tempting challenge. Its kind of humbling to be > considered as a possibly in the same league as the Big Lar. Too bad for > me > you didn't archive that post, it could have been my shot at a Kolb legacy. > > Richard Swiderski > Do not archive > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rusty > To: kolb-list@matronics.com > Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Geo engine > > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Rusty" <13brv3c@bellsouth.net> > > Hi Richard, > > Thanks for the info. I was just looking for a ballpark figure, so there's > no need to weight it. I should be OK, with the current 44 > pounder,[Richard > Swiderski] b but I'll > be looking to trim that down in the next revision. I'm going to let the > CG > be pretty far aft, and maybe add some weight to the nose if needed, > because > I know that I can take off 20-30 lbs of weight on the engine in future > versions. > > Sorry to hear about all the delays. I usually attribute that level of > excuses to Big Lar, but in your case, I believe you. Now that you're > getting better, it's time to get that thing finished. How about this, > let's > both plan to be at the 2006 homecoming. Imagine two alternate engine > SS's. > I'm already thinking climb contest :-) > > I've sold the RV-3, and will deliver it to TN next week. After that, I > need > to get serious about finishing the rework of the cage and other damaged > parts. The engine and mount are all done, but I can't do much else until > I > get done with the cage. I have to recover everything too, and long time > readers of the list know how much I love that :-) > > Cheers, > Rusty (looking for more white polytone) > > Do not archive (so I can deny I said I'd be there next year) > > > ------------------------ > The SPG-2 weighs in under 30 lbs. Forgot the exact number, but I > can weigh it if you want. As to when I will finish, how am I to know? I > thought it would be about 4 years ago! Life has its detours. Now that I > am > about 80% recovered from that Lymme's disease, I will be chipping away at > it > with regularity. My neighbor just did his maiden flight of his RV-7 & has > a > smile pasted to his face. There ought to be a law against having so much > fun when your neighbor is down. -Richard > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 12:27:04 PM PST US From: russ kinne Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Geo engine --> Kolb-List message posted by: russ kinne About the oil leak -- any chance the shaft is out of round??? Easy to check -- good luck Russ On Sep 10, 2005, at 10:51 AM, Larry Bourne wrote: > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" > > Yah, ol' Lar's watchin' all this and makin' notes.....seein' who my > friends > are. :-) Redrive still has me bogged down. Removed it, > filled > it with oil, and pressurized it a couple of days ago, and it wouldn't > leak a > drop. Finally blew a silicone plug on the back, but never did leak a > drop > at the seal that pours oil when it's running. Even tried rotating the > shafts by hand while pressurized. Nada. Phooey - going > on a > drive up into the mountains today in the Baja Bug. > Lar. Do not Archive. > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 01:10:56 PM PST US From: "flykolb" Subject: Kolb-List: Engine problems 2.33 DATE_IN_FUTURE_12_24 Date: is 12 to 24 hours after Received: date --> Kolb-List message posted by: "flykolb" Kolbers, I am having a problem with my Rotax 532 that a number of rotax repair shops have not been able to solve for me. The problem is this: when I start the engine, it usually only runs about 1000 RPM, not even at idle. If I advance the throtle, it dies; if I retard the throtle, it keeps running but very, very rough. I sent the engine to steve at Airscrew who rebuilt the gear box and installed CDI to replace the points. When I got it back there was no change. If I start and stop it often enough, sometimes it will work ok and even can go to full power. It seems to do this best when hot rather than cold. I thought I had the problem solved today and it started many times and let me run it up but then when it cooled down it acted up again. I think it is gas related, probably with the carbs. I replaced the fuel pump and even tried an electric pump - no change. Cleaned the carbs - no change. When it is running rough at 1000 rpm and I use the enricher circuit, it dies. This leads me to believe that maybe it is getting flooded. But how? Please help!!!! I'm sure with the collective wisdom of the list, someone out there has the answer for me! Jim Masrk III ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 01:34:21 PM PST US From: "George T. Alexander, Jr." Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Engine problems --> Kolb-List message posted by: "George T. Alexander, Jr." Jim: Needle clips on the wrong sides of the spring cup? The clip should be between the cup and the slide. Or is it..... never mind, check the manual. George Alexander http://gtalexander.home.att.net DO NOT ARCHIVE -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of flykolb Subject: Kolb-List: Engine problems --> Kolb-List message posted by: "flykolb" Kolbers, I am having a problem with my Rotax 532 that a number of rotax repair shops have not been able to solve for me. The problem is this: when I start the engine, it usually only runs about 1000 RPM, not even at idle. If I advance the throtle, it dies; if I retard the throtle, it keeps running but very, very rough. I sent the engine to steve at Airscrew who rebuilt the gear box and installed CDI to replace the points. When I got it back there was no change. If I start and stop it often enough, sometimes it will work ok and even can go to full power. It seems to do this best when hot rather than cold. I thought I had the problem solved today and it started many times and let me run it up but then when it cooled down it acted up again. I think it is gas related, probably with the carbs. I replaced the fuel pump and even tried an electric pump - no change. Cleaned the carbs - no change. When it is running rough at 1000 rpm and I use the enricher circuit, it dies. This leads me to believe that maybe it is getting flooded. But how? Please help!!!! ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 01:40:02 PM PST US From: "flykolb" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Engine problems --> Kolb-List message posted by: "flykolb" George, Thanks but the clip is in the middle position on the correct side of the spring cup. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "George T. Alexander, Jr." Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Engine problems > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "George T. Alexander, Jr." > > Jim: > > Needle clips on the wrong sides of the spring cup? The clip should be > between the cup and the slide. Or is it..... never mind, check the manual. > > George Alexander > http://gtalexander.home.att.net > > > DO NOT ARCHIVE > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of flykolb > To: kolb-list@matronics.com > Subject: Kolb-List: Engine problems > > > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "flykolb" > > Kolbers, > > I am having a problem with my Rotax 532 that a number of rotax repair shops > have not been able to solve for me. > > The problem is this: when I start the engine, it usually only runs about > 1000 RPM, not even at idle. If I advance the throtle, it dies; if I retard > the throtle, it keeps running but very, very rough. > > I sent the engine to steve at Airscrew who rebuilt the gear box and > installed CDI to replace the points. When I got it back there was no change. > > If I start and stop it often enough, sometimes it will work ok and even can > go to full power. It seems to do this best when hot rather than cold. > > I thought I had the problem solved today and it started many times and let > me run it up but then when it cooled down it acted up again. > > I think it is gas related, probably with the carbs. I replaced the fuel pump > and even tried an electric pump - no change. > > Cleaned the carbs - no change. > > When it is running rough at 1000 rpm and I use the enricher circuit, it > dies. This leads me to believe that maybe it is getting flooded. But how? > > Please help!!!! > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 01:50:45 PM PST US From: Mhqqqqq@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Engine problems --> Kolb-List message posted by: Mhqqqqq@aol.com I When it is running rough at 1000 rpm and I use the enricher circuit, it > dies. This leads me to believe that maybe it is getting flooded. But how? > > Please help!!!! too much fuel. check the floats in the carbs. they may be letting too much gas into the bowl. mark twinstar s.e.minnesota ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 02:01:32 PM PST US From: Mike Pierzina Subject: Kolb-List: No Fun to Fly --> Kolb-List message posted by: Mike Pierzina >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.> The winds are going to be too strong to fly tomorrow. I'm sure it would be no fun to fly.. Ralph >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hey Ralph / Guys, It's especialy no fun for the guy at Frog Field ( MN ) that put his T - Bird II on it's "BACK" Oooooops ! I had just finish an hour of flying with Tom Dunlap.....and we "chased" the other T - Bird a little....We started getting closer to making a pattern , when we saw the other plane on the runway......and people around it....It was hard to tell that it was UPSIDE DOWN at first , but as we got closer......Oooops! The guy was giving a demo ride......What a demo ride ! Winds were 20 with Gust to 30 My Flight was NO FUN either......just fighting the winds too much....and with the heat , I think that I got alittle "motion sickness". I called it a day , I'll go back tomorrow morning and try to get in some Real Training... Gotta Fly... Mike Do not archive this Jibberish 4 more hours to go and then I can get insurance for my Firestar II My Web Site: http://www.geocities.com/planecrazzzy/Planecrazzzy.html Sometimes you just have to take the leap and build your wings on the way down... --------------------------------- Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 03:00:06 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Engine problems/532 Gear Chatter --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" about 1000 RPM, not even at idle. If I advance the throtle, it dies; if I retard the throtle, it keeps running but very, very rough. | Masrk III Jim/Gang: Sounds like a "Hardy Disc", the little rubber spider that connects the engine to the prop shaft/gear box. I had the same problem in 1992, first time I tried to start and run my brand new 582 mounted on my present MKIII. I tried everything I could think of, but to no avail. Still had the same problem you describe. Back then, Eric Tucker, Rotax "daddy" was working with Kodiak in the Bahamas. He knew what the problem was. Overnighted me a new correct density "Hardy Disc". Took out the "too soft rubber Hardy Disc", replaced it with the harder one, cranked the 582 and it ran like a sewing machine. What was happening during start up was causing gear chatter that in turn shook hell out of the carb float bowls aerating the fuel, further aggrevating the start up situation. We were experiencing similar symptoms on the early 912ULS. Violent start up caused the float bowls to dance and aerate the fuel, further aggrevating the gear chatter which it could not get past. NOTE: Added a little to the subject line and realized we don't know if you are running a B, C, or what kind of gear box. The C gear box is the one with the hardy disc. B gear box uses spring loaded dogs. I probably did not help your situation. Sorry. john h MKIII ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 03:07:41 PM PST US From: "flykolb" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Engine problems/532 Gear Chatter --> Kolb-List message posted by: "flykolb" John, I have a B gear box. Does your reply still apply? Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Engine problems/532 Gear Chatter > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" > > | The problem is this: when I start the engine, it usually only runs > about 1000 RPM, not even at idle. If I advance the throtle, it dies; > if I retard the throtle, it keeps running but very, very rough. > | Jim > > Jim/Gang: > > Sounds like a "Hardy Disc", the little rubber spider that connects the > engine to the prop shaft/gear box. > > I had the same problem in 1992, first time I tried to start and run my > brand new 582 mounted on my present MKIII. I tried everything I could > think of, but to no avail. Still had the same problem you describe. > > Back then, Eric Tucker, Rotax "daddy" was working with Kodiak in the > Bahamas. He knew what the problem was. Overnighted me a new correct > density "Hardy Disc". Took out the "too soft rubber Hardy Disc", > replaced it with the harder one, cranked the 582 and it ran like a > sewing machine. > > What was happening during start up was causing gear chatter that in > turn shook hell out of the carb float bowls aerating the fuel, further > aggrevating the start up situation. > > We were experiencing similar symptoms on the early 912ULS. Violent > start up caused the float bowls to dance and aerate the fuel, further > aggrevating the gear chatter which it could not get past. > > NOTE: Added a little to the subject line and realized we don't know > if you are running a B, C, or what kind of gear box. The C gear box > is the one with the hardy disc. B gear box uses spring loaded dogs. > > I probably did not help your situation. Sorry. > > john h > MKIII > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 03:23:20 PM PST US From: "Chuck Stonex" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: No Fun to Fly --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Chuck Stonex" T-Birds always look good tits up in the middle of a field. I hope no one was injured. Chuck --> Kolb-List message posted by: Mike Pierzina >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.> The winds are going to be too strong to fly tomorrow. I'm sure it would be no fun to fly.. Ralph >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hey Ralph / Guys, It's especialy no fun for the guy at Frog Field ( MN ) that put his T - Bird II on it's "BACK" Oooooops ! I had just finish an hour of flying with Tom Dunlap.....and we "chased" the other T - Bird a little....We started getting closer to making a pattern , when we saw the other plane on the runway......and people around it....It was hard to tell that it was UPSIDE DOWN at first , but as we got closer......Oooops! The guy was giving a demo ride......What a demo ride ! Winds were 20 with Gust to 30 My Flight was NO FUN either......just fighting the winds too much....and with the heat , I think that I got alittle "motion sickness". I called it a day , I'll go back tomorrow morning and try to get in some Real Training... Gotta Fly... Mike Do not archive this Jibberish 4 more hours to go and then I can get insurance for my Firestar II My Web Site: http://www.geocities.com/planecrazzzy/Planecrazzzy.html Sometimes you just have to take the leap and build your wings on the way down... --------------------------------- Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 03:31:16 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Engine problems/532 Gear Chatter --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" | | Jim Jim/All: B Gear Box doesn't have a hardy disc. Can not say from experience if the clutch dog springs loosen up in the B Box if it could cause the same symptoms. What ever is causing it, sounds like it is shaking engine which in turn is shaking the carbs and float bowls, which aerate fuel to further cause the problem. Other than that, I am at a loss. john h MKIII ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 03:38:09 PM PST US From: "flykolb" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Engine problems/532 Gear Chatter --> Kolb-List message posted by: "flykolb" John, I'm at a loss too. That's why I am looking for any and all ideas. BTW, the gear box was just rebuilt - had the same problem before and after the rebuild. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Engine problems/532 Gear Chatter > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" > > | I have a B gear box. Does your reply still apply? > > Jim/All: > > B Gear Box doesn't have a hardy disc. > > Can not say from experience if the clutch dog springs loosen up in the > B Box if it could cause the same symptoms. > > What ever is causing it, sounds like it is shaking engine which in > turn is shaking the carbs and float bowls, which aerate fuel to > further cause the problem. > > Other than that, I am at a loss. > > john h > MKIII > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 04:02:23 PM PST US From: Richard Pike Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Engine problems/532 Gear Chatter --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike John, you are right. But you are also wrong. You were wrong when you thought you were wrong, because you were right. I am having too much fun with this - It is the little clutch dog washer springs in the gearbox. Check out this CPS tech article - http://www.800-airwolf.com/pdffiles/ARTICLES/part4.pdf You got the theory perfect, just couldn't remember the details. Which is the story of my life... Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) do not archive At 05:31 PM 9/10/05 -0500, you wrote: >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" > > | I have a B gear box. Does your reply still apply? >| >| Jim > >Jim/All: > >B Gear Box doesn't have a hardy disc. > >Can not say from experience if the clutch dog springs loosen up in the >B Box if it could cause the same symptoms. > >What ever is causing it, sounds like it is shaking engine which in >turn is shaking the carbs and float bowls, which aerate fuel to >further cause the problem. > >Other than that, I am at a loss. > >john h >MKIII > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 04:02:24 PM PST US From: "Rusty" <13brv3c@bellsouth.net> Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Engine problems --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Rusty" <13brv3c@bellsouth.net> Hi Jim, I swore off carbs years ago, but I'll take a stab at this. You say you cleaned the carbs, but have you recently checked the fuel level in the bowl? IIRC, the Bing procedure was to run the engine, then remove the bowl and measure the depth of the fuel. It would be really good if you could do this when the engine is running badly. Try to advance the throttle, let it quit, then check the level. Maybe you have a sticking needle, sunken float, etc. Do you have any other indications of flooding, such as black smoke from the exhaust, or black sooty exhaust pipes? Good luck, Rusty (fuel injection is your friend) 13B Mazda powered RV-3 (sold) Single rotor Mazda powered Slingshot project (removing banana shaped gear legs, replacing with straight ones) ------------------------------- I think it is gas related, probably with the carbs. I replaced the fuel pump and even tried an electric pump - no change. Cleaned the carbs - no change. When it is running rough at 1000 rpm and I use the enricher circuit, it dies. This leads me to believe that maybe it is getting flooded. But how? ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 04:07:22 PM PST US From: "Larry Bourne" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Oily Vamoose --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" Changed subject line: It's possible, Russ, and I'll check for that, but I did try spinning it while it was under pressure. I think I told someone off-List that I pressurized it to 5 psi. Shoulda said 15 psi. I just got back from running the VW Baja Bug to the top of Toro Peak in the Santa Rosa's, (9500' msl) and in a bit, I'll go out and try the stuff Jim & Dondi sent me to clean the oily mess off'n Vamoose. They said it's a wipe on, but I'm gonna try spraying it 1st........do it the easy way if I can. Gotta clean the driveway, too. If that doesn't work too well, I've got a brand new gallon of Simple Green. Tomorrow, I'll see about that redrive again. Lar. Do not Archive. Larry Bourne Palm Springs, CA Building Kolb Mk III N78LB Vamoose www.gogittum.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "russ kinne" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Geo engine > --> Kolb-List message posted by: russ kinne > > About the oil leak -- any chance the shaft is out of round??? Easy to > check -- > good luck > Russ > On Sep 10, 2005, at 10:51 AM, Larry Bourne wrote: > >> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" >> >> Yah, ol' Lar's watchin' all this and makin' notes.....seein' who my >> friends >> are. :-) Redrive still has me bogged down. Removed it, ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 04:23:02 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: ExperCraft build log From: "Robert Riggen" --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Robert Riggen" Fellow builders, This is an invite to those who need a method for creating a project log and Web site. Even if you've already started your log using another system this one is worth a look. ExperCraft Simple Log is free for builders and is a great way to create a comprehensive log and Web site. It's very easy to use. http://www.expercraft.com Enjoy! Rob -- Rob Riggen building a Vans RV7 http://websites.expercraft.com/rriggen ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 07:40:06 PM PST US From: curtis groote Subject: Kolb-List: BRS chute installation --> Kolb-List message posted by: curtis groote I'm about to start covering my Firestar ll and ultimately plan on a BRS chute. As nearly as I can determine, the activation handle is attached to the top longitudinal metal piece at the side of the cage with a 5/8" clamp. Is this something that can wait until after I get it covered or should I be considering that now? Thanks. Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. http://store.yahoo.com/redcross-donate3/