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1. 02:00 AM - Re: Geo engine (GeoR38@aol.com)
2. 05:20 AM - Re: Hanger Update (N27SB@aol.com)
3. 05:39 AM - Lexan (al bumhoffer)
4. 05:56 AM - Re: SlingShot speeds... (Rusty)
5. 06:19 AM - Reinf (russ kinne)
6. 07:01 AM - Re: SlingShot speeds... (John Hauck)
7. 07:20 AM - Re: Suzuki Turbo G10 Weigh-In (Larry Bourne)
8. 07:49 AM - peppy vs puny (robert bean)
9. 08:16 AM - Re: SlingShot speeds... (Rusty)
10. 08:38 AM - JOHN HAUCK - Sling Shot Speeds (ray anderson)
11. 09:12 AM - Re: peppy vs puny (John Hauck)
12. 09:12 AM - Re: Lexan (ElleryWeld@aol.com)
13. 09:27 AM - Re: SlingShot speeds... (John Hauck)
14. 09:34 AM - Re: Liability insurance for alternate engines? (Kirby Dennis Contr MDA/AL)
15. 10:02 AM - Re: SlingShot speeds... (John Williamson)
16. 10:11 AM - Re: Lexan (Herb Gayheart)
17. 10:16 AM - Re: One Six Right (PENGUIN)
18. 10:17 AM - Re: Re: Liability insurance for alternate engines? (Rusty)
19. 10:54 AM - Re: SlingShot speeds... (Rusty)
20. 11:29 AM - Re: 1990 kolb mk2 ()
21. 11:50 AM - Re: SlingShot speeds... (John Hauck)
22. 12:55 PM - Re: One Six Right (Robert Noyer)
23. 02:03 PM - Re: Lexan (Richard Pike)
24. 06:46 PM - Re: SlingShot speeds... (Robert Laird)
25. 07:29 PM - Re: Geo engine (Richard Swiderski)
26. 08:30 PM - Re: One Six Right (Larry Bourne)
27. 11:50 PM - Re: SlingShot speeds... (Rusty)
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: GeoR38@aol.com
In a message dated 9/9/2005 9:44:24 PM Eastern Standard Time,
13brv3c@bellsouth.net writes:
How about this, let's
both plan to be at the 2006 homecoming. Imagine two alternate engine SS's.
hey Rich,,,, kinIgo? I could tag along if you don't mind flying nose high
yer bud
george
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Subject: | Re: Hanger Update |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: N27SB@aol.com
In a message dated 9/14/2005 1:35:30 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
rowedl@highstream.net writes:
This sounds exactly like the door I am planning for my hanger, if anyone
gets the chance to photograph Bryans door at the Homecoming, I would really
like to see it.
Thanks,
Denny Rowe
Denny, I checked some photos from two years ago when Bryan and I were
putting the amphib floats on the factory MKIIIX. I will send them to you direct.
If
you look close you can see pretty well. There is no roller at the bottom so
you need to drop two pins into holes in the concrete when open or closed
however this makes for a simple door and it is very easy and smooth to operate.
Also you do not have a track in the floor to keep clean. I will take some
better shots next week.
Steve
Fireflies
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: al bumhoffer <abumhoffer@yahoo.com>
I am ready to make a gap seal and full enclosure for
my Firestar II and hope to get all of this out of a
single 4x8 sheet of lexan. I am wondering what
thickness others have used and sources to purchase it
from. Thanks
Al Bumhoffer, Elkton MI, Firestar II 50 hours and
loving it!
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Subject: | SlingShot speeds... |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Rusty" <13brv3c@bellsouth.net>
The reason you don't see HKS on Kolbs is because they degrade the
performance of a good aircraft design.
------------------
(RD) Hi John, That statement seems a bit harsh. While I agree that an HKS
or 503 won't give hotrod performance on a SS, the FS flies very well with a
503, and would do equally well with the more reliable and fuel efficient
HKS. It would add a little weight, but I don't think that would degrade the
performance that much.
It is obvious you were probably satisfied with the 503 on your SS
because you had never flown a SS with a decent power before. IIRC you
did not wait long after you flew your SS the first time to install an
after market expansion chamber to try and get some power to fly the
SS. Did you ever determine why the 503 seized on you after
installation of the hot pipe?
(RD) It's true that I wanted more power on the SS, but I was looking for
performance, and have been ever since. I try to convince myself that I'm
older, and wiser now, but that doesn't seem to last long :-)
(RD) BTW, the 503 never seized with the pipe, but it was running so lean
that it was almost inevitable. I could have fixed the mixture, but the
throttle response was so bad with the pipe, that it wasn't worth keeping.
The 503 was much better, and safer as designed, so leaving it alone was the
best option.
Rusty, I don't think you will have to worry about your Wankle
overpowering the SS. I'd love to fly a SS that was overpowered. ;-)
(RD) The absolute minimum power available will be 100 hp, but it could have
as much as 180 hp with the turbo. Once it get it pretty well tested, you
will be welcome to fly it, despite your past tendency to break airplanes :-)
Cheers,
Rusty (wondering if I should install the Dynon EFIS I took out of the RV-3
:-)
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: russ kinne <kinnepix@earthlink.net>
Just a detail, but an excellent stiffener for cement work, IMHO, is
chain-link "Cyclone" fencing.
Often demolition jobs haul a lot of this to the dump, so it's free;
check with your local friendly dumpmaster! A torch is the easiest way
to cut it.
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Subject: | Re: SlingShot speeds... |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
| (RD) The absolute minimum power available will be 100 hp, but it
could have
| as much as 180 hp with the turbo. Once it get it pretty well
tested, you
| will be welcome to fly it, despite your past tendency to break
airplanes :-)
|
| Cheers,
| Rusty
Rusty/Gang:
I don't think my comments reference Kolb's powered with HKS are harsh.
More like realistic.
I'd like to see someone mount an HKS on a FS and prove me wrong on
performance degradation. However, an HKS on a SS would be like
turning a Ferrari into a Model A Ford. Only my opinion as I have not
flown the HKS, although I have observed a lot of them pushing UL's and
Lt Planes around OSH and LAL.
Several two cylinder 4 cycle aircraft engines come to mind that
haven't lived up to their advertising, the Verner and the HKS. I
trust Dennis Souder's judgement when he tested the HKS on the factory
SS. I also put a few hours on this same SS over the years with the
582, solo and with passenger. It did fly quite well with the 582 at
65 HP. Good enough that I didn't get bored flying it. There are
several former MKIII owners on the Kolb List that experimented with
the Verner, both models. They didn't cut it either.
Those of us who cut our teeth on Homer's airplanes are probably a bit
spoiled. Very seldom have we had to baby an airplane to get it to
fly. We are accustomed to great performance in all kinds of weather,
temps, and altitudes. To mount an engine that would degrade this
performance would take all the fun out of flying a good airplane.
Thanks for the offer to fly your Wankle powered SS even though I have
had a history of breaking airplanes. An interesting point is the fact
that I haven't broken one since I started powering them with 912's in
1994. Of course there is the one 5 years ago when I bent the MKIII in
Muncho Lake, BC, after the gear leg/axle socket broke. Does that
count?
Take care,
john h
MKIII - 2372.9 hours
912ULS - 1027.0 hours
PS: Hard to break them if you don't fly them! ;-)
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Subject: | Re: Suzuki Turbo G10 Weigh-In |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Yah, but I think the nightmare is at this end. I keep my hair short, so I
can't, uh, get a grip..to tear it out. Lar. Do not
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Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Building Kolb Mk III
N78LB Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rusty" <13brv3c@bellsouth.net>
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Suzuki Turbo G10 Weigh-In
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Rusty" <13brv3c@bellsouth.net>
>
> Don't worry Richard, it's only a dream, a nightmare to be precise :-)
> Rusty (motivating Big Lar too)
>
>
> ------------------------
> I don't know about TNK, I had a bad dream last night where Big Lar handed
> me
> what looked like a baton, then flew
> away in a leaky MkIII. Richard Swiderski
>
> Do not archive
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
John, I'd let you fly my suzi-powered kolb but doubt you have mastered
the "sphincter squeeze" technique to get over the tree line. I've been
privileged to pilot several aircraft with dubious rates of climb. One
was a semi-homebuilt cub with aeronca wings and a scary lycoming 65?
hp engine. With two on board at 800' agl and full throttle, pulling
back on the stick resulted in a kind of uncertain mush. FUN!
I've always wanted to try a 40 horse E2 cub.
-BB do not archive
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Subject: | SlingShot speeds... |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Rusty" <13brv3c@bellsouth.net>
Several two cylinder 4 cycle aircraft engines come to mind that
haven't lived up to their advertising, the Verner and the HKS. I
trust Dennis Souder's judgement when he tested the HKS on the factory
SS.
------------
(RD) In what way hasn't the HKS lived up to it's advertising? The Review
Dennis did was on an early engine, 7.5 years ago!!! Even then, he didn't
really find anything wrong with it. It didn't appear to make more than
about 55 hp, and performed more like a 503 due to the extra weight, but how
is that bad? If a plane is made to perform well with a 503, then it will
also perform well with the HKS. For anyone who wants to read it (it has SS
speed numbers in it too), here's a link to the archived copy of his review
from March of 1998. http://snipurl.com/HKS_REVIEW
(RD) From everything I've read, the HKS is a great engine today, quite
possibly on the level of reliability with the 912. Unfortunately, it's
almost the same price as well. I would like to see a test done now to see
how the power compares to the 503 and 582. I know that there have been some
changes in the HKS, which may very well have brought it's power up. There's
also the possibility that Dennis didn't really have it running at it's best.
An interesting point is the fact that I haven't broken one since I started
powering them with 912's in 1994. Of course there is the one 5 years ago
when I bent the MKIII in
Muncho Lake, BC, after the gear leg/axle socket broke. Does that count?
---------------
(RD) You're off the hook for that one. I was talking about the two chute
deployment incidents. Nice to know that a 912 can keep you from breaking
wings, or is one of those older and wiser cases :-)
Rusty (Wankel, not Wankle)
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Subject: | JOHN HAUCK - Sling Shot Speeds |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: ray anderson <rsanoa@yahoo.com>
Touche !!
MKIII - 2372.9 hours
912ULS - 1027.0 hours
PS: Hard to break them if you don't fly them! ;-)
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UltraStar, Tenn.
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Subject: | Re: peppy vs puny |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
mastered
| the "sphincter squeeze" technique to get over the tree line.
| -BB
Hi Bob B/Gang:
Well, I ain't got the guts to train for the "SS" technique.
I can only remember a few isolated incidents in Kolb aircraft ever
having to worry about being able to make it over the next obstacle. I
kinda like that kind of performance.
Will have to admit that flying an underpowered aircraft will probably
make a better pilot out of one, based on being on being totally on top
of everything all the time. I'm sure a much more gentle control
techinique will be acquired in the process of flying.
One incident stands out in my mind while flying an underpowered Cessna
152 during my PVT Pilot's check ride. Check pilot says to climb to
5,000 feet to do some recovery from unusual attitudes while under the
hood. We are also doing our cross country and trying to climb enroute
to the next way point. As we arrived at the next turn point we were
slowly approaching 3,000 feet. Not enough time and fuel to make it to
5,000 feet on this particular warm Alabama day. Glad I had 8,000 feet
to take off and land on at Maxwell AFB. ;-)
Take care,
john h
MKIII
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: ElleryWeld@aol.com
Al I purchased a full 4x8 sheet of lexan from Wicks Aircraft supply and I
have plenty of it left over for future use I used 1/6" thick lexan
Original Firestar Plus
Ellery in Maine
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Subject: | Re: SlingShot speeds... |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Rusty/All:
| If a plane is made to perform well with a 503, then it will
| also perform well with the HKS.
The above is not necessarily true. Dennis Souder identified a
mounting problem with the HKS on Kolbs, i.e., an overly high mounting
and thrust line.
| also the possibility that Dennis didn't really have it running at
it's best.
Dennis mounted the HKS right out of the box. What is there to do to a
new engine but mount it and see that the prop is properly pitched? If
one much work on a new engine to get it to perform because it was not
running right, one does have a very serious problem.
Hopefully the little HKS is putting out more horses now than it did 7
years ago. Even if it does, it is heavy and there is still the high
mounting problem that doesn't do anything for performance on a Kolb
aircraft. Ask Rick Neilsen about high thrust lines. It kills
performance because it wants to push the nose down and hp is bled off
pulling back stick to keep the nose up.
| Nice to know that a 912 can keep you from breaking
| wings, or is one of those older and wiser cases :-)
The 912 is a very good preventive of wing loss based on the fact that
the engine is only good for a couple seconds of inverted flight.
However, one can still do some serious banking without harm to engine,
plane, and/or pilot.
Take care,
john h
MKIII
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Subject: | Re: Liability insurance for alternate engines? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Kirby Dennis Contr MDA/AL <Dennis.Kirby@kirtland.af.mil>
Rusty wrote: << For those of you with non-Rotax engines, who's the best
source for insurance at the moment? I will need some minimal liability to
keep the hanger police happy >>
Rusty, and Kolbers -
I'm paying $480 a year for Liability only, with Falcon.
$500K each occurrance; covers bodily injury and property damage.
Excludes passengers, since I am still in my Phase-I test period and only fly
solo.
Was the same cost as last year, when my Mark-3 still had the Verner engine
installed.
Dennis Kirby
Mark-III, 912UL, 29 hrs TT
Cedar Crest, NM
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Subject: | SlingShot speeds... |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Williamson" <kolbrapilot2@comcast.net>
Hi All,
It seems that the high thrust line that was encountered with the HKS on the
SlingShot could have been overcome by turning the gearbox to the down
position.
The ability to change the prop shaft location is standard on the HKS now,
don't know about 6 years ago. By changing the prop shaft location, it
changes the thrust line by over 3.5 inches.
http://www.hks700e.com/pages/engine.htm
John Williamson
Arlington, TX
Kolb Kolbra, Rotax 912ULS, 916 hours
http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot1
kolbrapilot2@comcast.net
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Herb Gayheart <herbgh@juno.com>
Al
.062 is just fine. Plenty stiff when you curve it around the
fuselage. Should deflect those strange , fast flying , little birds that
I see from time to time. Swifts??
Pretty sure that is what TNK uses? Fasten it on one side and let it
hinge itself. Works fine on my Firefly.
I bought .062 for 60 bucks for a full sheet. Last year. May be
higher now? Any plastic supply house. I bought from Bruce plastic in
Lebanon,Tenn. Herb
Ps: Ran into Ray Brown at TNK last week. They will have some
little surprises on display at the homecomming I suspect. We need to
get him to design some gull wing doors for the MkIII while is is back.
:-)
On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 05:39:08 -0700 (PDT) al bumhoffer
<abumhoffer@yahoo.com> writes:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: al bumhoffer <abumhoffer@yahoo.com>
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>
> I am ready to make a gap seal and full enclosure for
> my Firestar II and hope to get all of this out of a
> single 4x8 sheet of lexan. I am wondering what
> thickness others have used and sources to purchase it
> from. Thanks
> Al Bumhoffer, Elkton MI, Firestar II 50 hours and
> loving it!
>
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> __________________________________
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Subject: | Re: One Six Right |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: PENGUIN <pengy@humboldt.net>
What a genius - no url...
http://www.onesixright.com/video/aerials.html
Sorry about that...
Penguin
PENGUIN wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: PENGUIN <pengy@humboldt.net>
>
>OK, there's no Kolbs in it, or at least in this 3 minute trailer for a
>new 73 minute GA documentary.
>
>But it will warm the cockles of your heart anyway.
>
>Anybody for flying a REAL tail dragger? ;-0
>
>Penguin
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Subject: | Re: Liability insurance for alternate engines? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Rusty" <13brv3c@bellsouth.net>
Thanks Dennis. Falcon was the best I could find a year ago, but I didn't
have to ask about abnormal engines. Hopefully, they don't care that much.
Cheers,
Rusty
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I'm paying $480 a year for Liability only, with Falcon.
$500K each occurrance; covers bodily injury and property damage. Excludes
passengers, since I am still in my Phase-I test period and only fly solo.
Was the same cost as last year, when my Mark-3 still had the Verner engine
installed.
Dennis Kirby
Mark-III, 912UL, 29 hrs TT
Cedar Crest, NM
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Subject: | SlingShot speeds... |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Rusty" <13brv3c@bellsouth.net>
Hopefully the little HKS is putting out more horses now than it did 7
years ago. Even if it does, it is heavy and there is still the high
mounting problem that doesn't do anything for performance on a Kolb
aircraft.
-----------------
(RD) I give up on you John. You've obviously made up your mind about the
HKS, and nothing can be said to change it. You have chosen to condemn the
engine for all eternity based on one brief (less than 10 hours) test of an
early version of the engine, 7.5 years ago. If that's the level of research
you're comfortable with, that's fine.
(RD) With any luck, most folks on the list are far more open minded, and
will actually look at how well the engine has been working for everyone
else, in addition to the test that Dennis did long ago. One data point
isn't enough for a decision!
(RD) Off to work. Go ahead, talk bad about me while I'm gone, I'm used to
it :-)
Cheers,
Rusty (change is good, like html text and photo attachments)
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Subject: | Re: 1990 kolb mk2 |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: <williamdgleason@bellsouth.net>
>
> From: "Ken Richter" <susan203@centurytel.net>
> Date: 2005/09/13 Tue PM 10:29:16 EDT
> To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Kolb-List: 1990 kolb mk2
>
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ken Richter" <susan203@centurytel.net>
>
> does anyone have any info on a 1990 mk2 with a 503 I just bought one but haven't
picked it up yet it will replace my original firestar,I was just looking for
some specs like weight how big of an engine it will handle, how it will compare
in flight to my firestar w/447,If there was any problems with this design.
any help would be appreciated.
>
> Thanks Ken Richter
>
> I have a mk2 that I built in 1990, serial # ts0092 with a 503scsi(520 hrs.) .
The gross wt. from Kolb is 750 lbs.I just completed my biannual flight review
in it. Weight with instructor, and 5 gal of fuel was 785 lbs. My instructor gave
me a good workout including stalls, steep turns, and emergency landings and
the mk2 performed very well. It cruises at 65mph, pilot only, using 2.5 gph.
As far as I know the mk2 has an excellent saftey record. I have not had any problems,
but I did recieve a reinforcement bracket for an aileron control bellcrank
from Kolb several years ago. Also, there was reinforcement brackets sent
from the original Kolb co. for the wing. These were to spread out the compression
load on the inboard steel ribs.
Dale Gleason
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Subject: | Re: SlingShot speeds... |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Rusty/All:
Believe I qualified my opinions as observations, admitting I have
never had a chance to fly with an HKS.
I certainly do not dispute the fact that folks that know claim they
are very reliable.
How much time has Rusty spent flying in an HKS powered aircraft?
| If that's the level of research
| you're comfortable with, that's fine.
Rusty, those are your words, but I imagine you have done about as much
research on the HKS as I have. ;-)
| (RD) With any luck, most folks on the list are far more open minded,
and
| will actually look at how well the engine has been working for
everyone
| else, in addition to the test that Dennis did long ago. One data
point
| isn't enough for a decision!
I don't see that the HKS is working so remarkably for everyone else as
you state. Besides, I have more than one data point. I read the HKS
web page after John W posted it. hehehe Seems the HKS has a TBO of
800 hours. Short life for such a reliable 4 stroke. Learn something
new every day. The way some of us on the Kolb List fly, 800 hours
flight time is a spit in the bucket. However, if it sits in a hanger
99% of the time, it will take a good while to hit the TBO. Maybe we
won't be too old to fly by the time TBO gets here.
| (RD) Off to work. Go ahead, talk bad about me while I'm gone, I'm
used to
| it :-)
Try not to talk bad about anyone, especially behind their backs. If I
have something to say about you, you can bet I will say it while
looking in your eyes. Course, I am at a loss here because I don't
have anything bad to say about Rusty.
Now, that reminds me of a story about a 503 powered Sling Shot that
flew to a little flyin at Geneva, Alabama, some years back, from its
home field in North Florida. Seems there were some super cells moving
around between this gentleman's home field and Geneva Airport. Rather
than take a chance of flying home in this type weather, the gentleman
decided to call his wife to come get him, take him all the way home to
spend the night, then return the next morning to retrieve his
airplane. I was sleeping on the floor of the FBO and invited the
gentleman to take advantage of an old couch in there, and fly out in
the morning. Anyhow, I got up the next morning to sunshine and
flowers, climbed in the old MKIII and flew home to Gantt IAP. Never
heard from this gentleman again. Wonder if his wife divorced him
after wondering around all over Southern Alabama in the middle of a
storm tossed night, lost, trying to locate her grounded husband who
wanted to go home to sleep in his own bed?
Guess a lot of Kolb folks feel the same way about the HKS as I do. If
not, why aren't there a bunch of those reliable HKS powered Kolbs
flying all over God's creation? BTW: Is there an HKS powered Kolb
flying somewhere out there. I can only remember about five Kolbs that
mounted Verners. I know one of those didn't get going good enough to
get off the ground. TNK stuck one on the "new" MKIIIx for its debut
at S&F. It did not do well at all. Bill George and Dennis Kirby flew
with the Verner for a short period. And.........there was a MKIII in
Central Florida powered by a Verner. Believe the Verner Dealer was
the gentleman that owned that MKIII, used as a hang glider tug.
I have nothing against "other" engines, but I am not going to grin and
tell folks what great engines they are and how compatible they are
with Kolbs, when if fact they are not, as I see it.
Take care,
john h
MKIII - Well used.
912ULS - Well used too.
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Robert Noyer <ronoy@shentel.net>
I pulled up the ad fer the VNY CD...it wanted me to sign up fer a $30
CD before I could even see the trailer. Based at VNY fer most three
years with TriPacer, Skyhawk, Cardinal. Don't miss those 10+ planes,
all in trail, fer final to 16R...or the cryptic "Report the brewery"
Why, did they make a bad batch?
Bob N.
http://www.angelfire.com/rpg/ronoy
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On Sep 14, 2005, at 1:15 PM, PENGUIN wrote:
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org>
We made the windshield out of 1/8" inch, and the rest of the gap seal out
of aluminum and 1/8" Lexan.
I wish we had used 1/16" for the Lexan parts of the rest of the seal,
because that stuff is heavy.
Don't have any decent pics of it, but Ed is planning on flying it to
Chestnut Knolls in ten days, you can see it there.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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At 05:39 AM 9/14/05 -0700, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: al bumhoffer <abumhoffer@yahoo.com>
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>I am ready to make a gap seal and full enclosure for
>my Firestar II and hope to get all of this out of a
>single 4x8 sheet of lexan. I am wondering what
>thickness others have used and sources to purchase it
>from. Thanks
>Al Bumhoffer, Elkton MI, Firestar II 50 hours and
>loving it!
>
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>__________________________________
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Subject: | Re: SlingShot speeds... |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Robert Laird <rlaird@cavediver.com>
At 01:50 PM 9/14/2005, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
>
>Rusty/All:
>
>Believe I qualified my opinions as observations, admitting I have
>never had a chance to fly with an HKS.
A friend of mine just finished building a Murphy Maverick with an
HKS. (You can see a photo of it on our EAA Chapters web
site: http://www.eaa347.org. It's also featured in the latest Sport
Aviation magazine, page 78.)
Here are the specs he's getting out of it so far (solo):
gross weight = 950 lbs
empty weight = 538 lbs
rotate speed = 35mph
best angle climb 46 mph
best rate of climb 58 mph
stall 30 mph
max-cross wind at 90 deg. 18 mph
vne 120 mph
max cruise 90mph
va maneuvering 80 mph
at 6200rpm, maximum 3 min = 60 hp
cruise rpm is 5,800 at 56 hp
1400rpm is idle
oil pressure is 85 psi @ 6200 rpm
oil temp. 140F-170F optimum, 190F max-122F min.
Cht 338F max
Egt 1400F max
Gallons per hr about 3 1/2
Engine weighs about 121 lbs.
The Maverick has about 17 hrs time so far.
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard Swiderski" <rswiderski@earthlink.net>
George,
Maybe we could get Possum to lead us & we could be a real Florida
Gaggle. And if we got The Butcher Of Bradenton to bring up the rear, he
could make sure no one turned back for donuts.
Dreaming On
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From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of GeoR38@aol.com
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Geo engine
--> Kolb-List message posted by: GeoR38@aol.com
In a message dated 9/9/2005 9:44:24 PM Eastern Standard Time,
13brv3c@bellsouth.net writes:
How about this, let's
both plan to be at the 2006 homecoming. Imagine two alternate engine SS's.
hey Rich,,,, kinIgo? I could tag along if you don't mind flying nose high
yer bud
george
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Subject: | Re: One Six Right |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Very nice. Thanks. Lar. Do not Archive.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Building Kolb Mk III
N78LB Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
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From: "PENGUIN" <pengy@humboldt.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: One Six Right
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: PENGUIN <pengy@humboldt.net>
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> What a genius - no url...
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> http://www.onesixright.com/video/aerials.html
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> Sorry about that...
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> Penguin
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> PENGUIN wrote:
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>>--> Kolb-List message posted by: PENGUIN <pengy@humboldt.net>
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>>OK, there's no Kolbs in it, or at least in this 3 minute trailer for a
>>new 73 minute GA documentary.
>>
>>But it will warm the cockles of your heart anyway.
>>
>>Anybody for flying a REAL tail dragger? ;-0
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>>Penguin
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Subject: | SlingShot speeds... |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Rusty" <13brv3c@bellsouth.net>
Rusty, those are your words, but I imagine you have done about as much
research on the HKS as I have. ;-)
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(RD) I'd bet you're dead wrong about this. I have a friend who is rabidly
interested in the HKS, and has pestered me about it for years. I've
followed all the reports I could find on them for years. It's extremely
unlikely that a devoted Rotaxian like yourself would have bothered to keep
up with the HKS to that extent.
I don't see that the HKS is working so remarkably for everyone else as
you state.
(RD) Tell you what, point me to someone who has removed an HKS because it
had too many problems. It is hard to find much info on the HKS, but you
know the way human nature works. If you sell 100 people an engine they're
satisfied with, you'll never hear about it, but screw just one person, and
it will be all over the net. I've conversed with a number of HKS folks, and
their all happy. I haven't found one yet that wasn't. I'm certainly open
to hear whatever your extensive research has revealed.
Besides, I have more than one data point. I read the HKS
web page after John W posted it. hehehe Seems the HKS has a TBO of
800 hours. Short life for such a reliable 4 stroke. Learn something
new every day.
(RD) Best I recall, the 912 only had an 800 or 1000 hour TBO in it's earlier
life. Wise and conservative companies set the TBO low initially, because
they need real world data to determine what the safe life in actual service
will be. HKS has continued to increase their TBO based on this experience,
JUST like Rotax did with the 912. When the HKS is as old as the 912, it may
have the same, or better TBO.
The way some of us on the Kolb List fly, 800 hours
flight time is a spit in the bucket. However, if it sits in a hanger
99% of the time, it will take a good while to hit the TBO. Maybe we
won't be too old to fly by the time TBO gets here.
(RD) While I realize that this is your second cheap shot in this thread to
point out that I don't fly much, I'd bet that only 1-2% of the folks on this
list fly 800 hours in a lifetime, so in fact the HKS would be plenty. Only
a few folks like you, and John Williamson fly as much as you do. That's
great, awesome in fact, and I sincerely admire what you both do with your
planes.
(RD) What you don't seem to understand is that not everyone wants to fly a
912 powered MK-III Classic for the rest of their lives. Some of us are true
experimenters, who want to try new things. I'm guessing you used to be like
that too, so think back, and try to remember what it was like :-)
Now, that reminds me of a story about a 503 powered Sling Shot that
flew to a little flyin at Geneva, Alabama, some years back, from its
home field in North Florida.
(RD) I'll consider this cheap (and irrelevant) shot number three for this
thread. Best I recall, the old gentleman in the story came equipped to
camp, as he always does. The younger gentleman didn't, and since he wasn't
far from home, his wife was happy to come get him. She still loves him very
much BTW, and would probably have something foul to say about the old
gentleman's story as posted.
Guess a lot of Kolb folks feel the same way about the HKS as I do. If
not, why aren't there a bunch of those reliable HKS powered Kolbs
flying all over God's creation?
(RD) Perhaps it's due to veteran list members spreading unfounded rumors
that they won't work :-)
I have nothing against "other" engines, but I am not going to grin and
tell folks what great engines they are and how compatible they are
with Kolbs, when if fact they are not, as I see it.
(RD) You're certainly entitled to your opinion, though I feel you're a bit
biased with regard to engine choice. One of the rotary guys has a signature
line that says "If nothing changes, then nothing changes". I love that
line. Someone has to try new engines, and it obviously won't be you. I
would ask that you try not to bias everyone against new ideas though.
Cheers,
Rusty
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