---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 09/14/05: 27 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:00 AM - Re: Geo engine (GeoR38@aol.com) 2. 05:20 AM - Re: Hanger Update (N27SB@aol.com) 3. 05:39 AM - Lexan (al bumhoffer) 4. 05:56 AM - Re: SlingShot speeds... (Rusty) 5. 06:19 AM - Reinf (russ kinne) 6. 07:01 AM - Re: SlingShot speeds... (John Hauck) 7. 07:20 AM - Re: Suzuki Turbo G10 Weigh-In (Larry Bourne) 8. 07:49 AM - peppy vs puny (robert bean) 9. 08:16 AM - Re: SlingShot speeds... (Rusty) 10. 08:38 AM - JOHN HAUCK - Sling Shot Speeds (ray anderson) 11. 09:12 AM - Re: peppy vs puny (John Hauck) 12. 09:12 AM - Re: Lexan (ElleryWeld@aol.com) 13. 09:27 AM - Re: SlingShot speeds... (John Hauck) 14. 09:34 AM - Re: Liability insurance for alternate engines? (Kirby Dennis Contr MDA/AL) 15. 10:02 AM - Re: SlingShot speeds... (John Williamson) 16. 10:11 AM - Re: Lexan (Herb Gayheart) 17. 10:16 AM - Re: One Six Right (PENGUIN) 18. 10:17 AM - Re: Re: Liability insurance for alternate engines? (Rusty) 19. 10:54 AM - Re: SlingShot speeds... (Rusty) 20. 11:29 AM - Re: 1990 kolb mk2 () 21. 11:50 AM - Re: SlingShot speeds... (John Hauck) 22. 12:55 PM - Re: One Six Right (Robert Noyer) 23. 02:03 PM - Re: Lexan (Richard Pike) 24. 06:46 PM - Re: SlingShot speeds... (Robert Laird) 25. 07:29 PM - Re: Geo engine (Richard Swiderski) 26. 08:30 PM - Re: One Six Right (Larry Bourne) 27. 11:50 PM - Re: SlingShot speeds... (Rusty) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:00:24 AM PST US From: GeoR38@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Geo engine --> Kolb-List message posted by: GeoR38@aol.com In a message dated 9/9/2005 9:44:24 PM Eastern Standard Time, 13brv3c@bellsouth.net writes: How about this, let's both plan to be at the 2006 homecoming. Imagine two alternate engine SS's. hey Rich,,,, kinIgo? I could tag along if you don't mind flying nose high yer bud george ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:20:55 AM PST US From: N27SB@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Hanger Update --> Kolb-List message posted by: N27SB@aol.com In a message dated 9/14/2005 1:35:30 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, rowedl@highstream.net writes: This sounds exactly like the door I am planning for my hanger, if anyone gets the chance to photograph Bryans door at the Homecoming, I would really like to see it. Thanks, Denny Rowe Denny, I checked some photos from two years ago when Bryan and I were putting the amphib floats on the factory MKIIIX. I will send them to you direct. If you look close you can see pretty well. There is no roller at the bottom so you need to drop two pins into holes in the concrete when open or closed however this makes for a simple door and it is very easy and smooth to operate. Also you do not have a track in the floor to keep clean. I will take some better shots next week. Steve Fireflies do not archive ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:39:29 AM PST US From: al bumhoffer Subject: Kolb-List: Lexan --> Kolb-List message posted by: al bumhoffer I am ready to make a gap seal and full enclosure for my Firestar II and hope to get all of this out of a single 4x8 sheet of lexan. I am wondering what thickness others have used and sources to purchase it from. Thanks Al Bumhoffer, Elkton MI, Firestar II 50 hours and loving it! __________________________________ ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:56:39 AM PST US From: "Rusty" <13brv3c@bellsouth.net> Subject: RE: Kolb-List: SlingShot speeds... --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Rusty" <13brv3c@bellsouth.net> The reason you don't see HKS on Kolbs is because they degrade the performance of a good aircraft design. ------------------ (RD) Hi John, That statement seems a bit harsh. While I agree that an HKS or 503 won't give hotrod performance on a SS, the FS flies very well with a 503, and would do equally well with the more reliable and fuel efficient HKS. It would add a little weight, but I don't think that would degrade the performance that much. It is obvious you were probably satisfied with the 503 on your SS because you had never flown a SS with a decent power before. IIRC you did not wait long after you flew your SS the first time to install an after market expansion chamber to try and get some power to fly the SS. Did you ever determine why the 503 seized on you after installation of the hot pipe? (RD) It's true that I wanted more power on the SS, but I was looking for performance, and have been ever since. I try to convince myself that I'm older, and wiser now, but that doesn't seem to last long :-) (RD) BTW, the 503 never seized with the pipe, but it was running so lean that it was almost inevitable. I could have fixed the mixture, but the throttle response was so bad with the pipe, that it wasn't worth keeping. The 503 was much better, and safer as designed, so leaving it alone was the best option. Rusty, I don't think you will have to worry about your Wankle overpowering the SS. I'd love to fly a SS that was overpowered. ;-) (RD) The absolute minimum power available will be 100 hp, but it could have as much as 180 hp with the turbo. Once it get it pretty well tested, you will be welcome to fly it, despite your past tendency to break airplanes :-) Cheers, Rusty (wondering if I should install the Dynon EFIS I took out of the RV-3 :-) ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:19:18 AM PST US From: russ kinne Subject: Kolb-List: Reinf --> Kolb-List message posted by: russ kinne Just a detail, but an excellent stiffener for cement work, IMHO, is chain-link "Cyclone" fencing. Often demolition jobs haul a lot of this to the dump, so it's free; check with your local friendly dumpmaster! A torch is the easiest way to cut it. do not archive ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:01:22 AM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: SlingShot speeds... --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" | (RD) The absolute minimum power available will be 100 hp, but it could have | as much as 180 hp with the turbo. Once it get it pretty well tested, you | will be welcome to fly it, despite your past tendency to break airplanes :-) | | Cheers, | Rusty Rusty/Gang: I don't think my comments reference Kolb's powered with HKS are harsh. More like realistic. I'd like to see someone mount an HKS on a FS and prove me wrong on performance degradation. However, an HKS on a SS would be like turning a Ferrari into a Model A Ford. Only my opinion as I have not flown the HKS, although I have observed a lot of them pushing UL's and Lt Planes around OSH and LAL. Several two cylinder 4 cycle aircraft engines come to mind that haven't lived up to their advertising, the Verner and the HKS. I trust Dennis Souder's judgement when he tested the HKS on the factory SS. I also put a few hours on this same SS over the years with the 582, solo and with passenger. It did fly quite well with the 582 at 65 HP. Good enough that I didn't get bored flying it. There are several former MKIII owners on the Kolb List that experimented with the Verner, both models. They didn't cut it either. Those of us who cut our teeth on Homer's airplanes are probably a bit spoiled. Very seldom have we had to baby an airplane to get it to fly. We are accustomed to great performance in all kinds of weather, temps, and altitudes. To mount an engine that would degrade this performance would take all the fun out of flying a good airplane. Thanks for the offer to fly your Wankle powered SS even though I have had a history of breaking airplanes. An interesting point is the fact that I haven't broken one since I started powering them with 912's in 1994. Of course there is the one 5 years ago when I bent the MKIII in Muncho Lake, BC, after the gear leg/axle socket broke. Does that count? Take care, john h MKIII - 2372.9 hours 912ULS - 1027.0 hours PS: Hard to break them if you don't fly them! ;-) DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:20:39 AM PST US From: "Larry Bourne" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Suzuki Turbo G10 Weigh-In --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" Yah, but I think the nightmare is at this end. I keep my hair short, so I can't, uh, get a grip..to tear it out. Lar. Do not Archive. Larry Bourne Palm Springs, CA Building Kolb Mk III N78LB Vamoose www.gogittum.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rusty" <13brv3c@bellsouth.net> Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Suzuki Turbo G10 Weigh-In > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Rusty" <13brv3c@bellsouth.net> > > Don't worry Richard, it's only a dream, a nightmare to be precise :-) > Rusty (motivating Big Lar too) > > > ------------------------ > I don't know about TNK, I had a bad dream last night where Big Lar handed > me > what looked like a baton, then flew > away in a leaky MkIII. Richard Swiderski > > Do not archive > > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:49:53 AM PST US From: robert bean Subject: Kolb-List: peppy vs puny --> Kolb-List message posted by: robert bean John, I'd let you fly my suzi-powered kolb but doubt you have mastered the "sphincter squeeze" technique to get over the tree line. I've been privileged to pilot several aircraft with dubious rates of climb. One was a semi-homebuilt cub with aeronca wings and a scary lycoming 65? hp engine. With two on board at 800' agl and full throttle, pulling back on the stick resulted in a kind of uncertain mush. FUN! I've always wanted to try a 40 horse E2 cub. -BB do not archive ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:16:03 AM PST US From: "Rusty" <13brv3c@bellsouth.net> Subject: RE: Kolb-List: SlingShot speeds... --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Rusty" <13brv3c@bellsouth.net> Several two cylinder 4 cycle aircraft engines come to mind that haven't lived up to their advertising, the Verner and the HKS. I trust Dennis Souder's judgement when he tested the HKS on the factory SS. ------------ (RD) In what way hasn't the HKS lived up to it's advertising? The Review Dennis did was on an early engine, 7.5 years ago!!! Even then, he didn't really find anything wrong with it. It didn't appear to make more than about 55 hp, and performed more like a 503 due to the extra weight, but how is that bad? If a plane is made to perform well with a 503, then it will also perform well with the HKS. For anyone who wants to read it (it has SS speed numbers in it too), here's a link to the archived copy of his review from March of 1998. http://snipurl.com/HKS_REVIEW (RD) From everything I've read, the HKS is a great engine today, quite possibly on the level of reliability with the 912. Unfortunately, it's almost the same price as well. I would like to see a test done now to see how the power compares to the 503 and 582. I know that there have been some changes in the HKS, which may very well have brought it's power up. There's also the possibility that Dennis didn't really have it running at it's best. An interesting point is the fact that I haven't broken one since I started powering them with 912's in 1994. Of course there is the one 5 years ago when I bent the MKIII in Muncho Lake, BC, after the gear leg/axle socket broke. Does that count? --------------- (RD) You're off the hook for that one. I was talking about the two chute deployment incidents. Nice to know that a 912 can keep you from breaking wings, or is one of those older and wiser cases :-) Rusty (Wankel, not Wankle) ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:38:30 AM PST US From: ray anderson Subject: Kolb-List: JOHN HAUCK - Sling Shot Speeds --> Kolb-List message posted by: ray anderson Touche !! MKIII - 2372.9 hours 912ULS - 1027.0 hours PS: Hard to break them if you don't fly them! ;-) Do Not Archive UltraStar, Tenn. ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:12:08 AM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: peppy vs puny --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" mastered | the "sphincter squeeze" technique to get over the tree line. | -BB Hi Bob B/Gang: Well, I ain't got the guts to train for the "SS" technique. I can only remember a few isolated incidents in Kolb aircraft ever having to worry about being able to make it over the next obstacle. I kinda like that kind of performance. Will have to admit that flying an underpowered aircraft will probably make a better pilot out of one, based on being on being totally on top of everything all the time. I'm sure a much more gentle control techinique will be acquired in the process of flying. One incident stands out in my mind while flying an underpowered Cessna 152 during my PVT Pilot's check ride. Check pilot says to climb to 5,000 feet to do some recovery from unusual attitudes while under the hood. We are also doing our cross country and trying to climb enroute to the next way point. As we arrived at the next turn point we were slowly approaching 3,000 feet. Not enough time and fuel to make it to 5,000 feet on this particular warm Alabama day. Glad I had 8,000 feet to take off and land on at Maxwell AFB. ;-) Take care, john h MKIII DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 09:12:08 AM PST US From: ElleryWeld@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Lexan --> Kolb-List message posted by: ElleryWeld@aol.com Al I purchased a full 4x8 sheet of lexan from Wicks Aircraft supply and I have plenty of it left over for future use I used 1/6" thick lexan Original Firestar Plus Ellery in Maine do not archive ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 09:27:29 AM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: SlingShot speeds... --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" Rusty/All: | If a plane is made to perform well with a 503, then it will | also perform well with the HKS. The above is not necessarily true. Dennis Souder identified a mounting problem with the HKS on Kolbs, i.e., an overly high mounting and thrust line. | also the possibility that Dennis didn't really have it running at it's best. Dennis mounted the HKS right out of the box. What is there to do to a new engine but mount it and see that the prop is properly pitched? If one much work on a new engine to get it to perform because it was not running right, one does have a very serious problem. Hopefully the little HKS is putting out more horses now than it did 7 years ago. Even if it does, it is heavy and there is still the high mounting problem that doesn't do anything for performance on a Kolb aircraft. Ask Rick Neilsen about high thrust lines. It kills performance because it wants to push the nose down and hp is bled off pulling back stick to keep the nose up. | Nice to know that a 912 can keep you from breaking | wings, or is one of those older and wiser cases :-) The 912 is a very good preventive of wing loss based on the fact that the engine is only good for a couple seconds of inverted flight. However, one can still do some serious banking without harm to engine, plane, and/or pilot. Take care, john h MKIII DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 09:34:52 AM PST US From: Kirby Dennis Contr MDA/AL Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Liability insurance for alternate engines? --> Kolb-List message posted by: Kirby Dennis Contr MDA/AL Rusty wrote: << For those of you with non-Rotax engines, who's the best source for insurance at the moment? I will need some minimal liability to keep the hanger police happy >> Rusty, and Kolbers - I'm paying $480 a year for Liability only, with Falcon. $500K each occurrance; covers bodily injury and property damage. Excludes passengers, since I am still in my Phase-I test period and only fly solo. Was the same cost as last year, when my Mark-3 still had the Verner engine installed. Dennis Kirby Mark-III, 912UL, 29 hrs TT Cedar Crest, NM ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 10:02:32 AM PST US From: "John Williamson" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: SlingShot speeds... --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Williamson" Hi All, It seems that the high thrust line that was encountered with the HKS on the SlingShot could have been overcome by turning the gearbox to the down position. The ability to change the prop shaft location is standard on the HKS now, don't know about 6 years ago. By changing the prop shaft location, it changes the thrust line by over 3.5 inches. http://www.hks700e.com/pages/engine.htm John Williamson Arlington, TX Kolb Kolbra, Rotax 912ULS, 916 hours http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot1 kolbrapilot2@comcast.net do not archive ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 10:11:03 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Lexan From: Herb Gayheart --> Kolb-List message posted by: Herb Gayheart Al .062 is just fine. Plenty stiff when you curve it around the fuselage. Should deflect those strange , fast flying , little birds that I see from time to time. Swifts?? Pretty sure that is what TNK uses? Fasten it on one side and let it hinge itself. Works fine on my Firefly. I bought .062 for 60 bucks for a full sheet. Last year. May be higher now? Any plastic supply house. I bought from Bruce plastic in Lebanon,Tenn. Herb Ps: Ran into Ray Brown at TNK last week. They will have some little surprises on display at the homecomming I suspect. We need to get him to design some gull wing doors for the MkIII while is is back. :-) On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 05:39:08 -0700 (PDT) al bumhoffer writes: > --> Kolb-List message posted by: al bumhoffer > > > I am ready to make a gap seal and full enclosure for > my Firestar II and hope to get all of this out of a > single 4x8 sheet of lexan. I am wondering what > thickness others have used and sources to purchase it > from. Thanks > Al Bumhoffer, Elkton MI, Firestar II 50 hours and > loving it! > > > > __________________________________ > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 10:16:20 AM PST US From: PENGUIN Subject: Re: Kolb-List: One Six Right --> Kolb-List message posted by: PENGUIN What a genius - no url... http://www.onesixright.com/video/aerials.html Sorry about that... Penguin PENGUIN wrote: >--> Kolb-List message posted by: PENGUIN > >OK, there's no Kolbs in it, or at least in this 3 minute trailer for a >new 73 minute GA documentary. > >But it will warm the cockles of your heart anyway. > >Anybody for flying a REAL tail dragger? ;-0 > >Penguin > > > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 10:17:41 AM PST US From: "Rusty" <13brv3c@bellsouth.net> Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: Liability insurance for alternate engines? --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Rusty" <13brv3c@bellsouth.net> Thanks Dennis. Falcon was the best I could find a year ago, but I didn't have to ask about abnormal engines. Hopefully, they don't care that much. Cheers, Rusty Do not archive I'm paying $480 a year for Liability only, with Falcon. $500K each occurrance; covers bodily injury and property damage. Excludes passengers, since I am still in my Phase-I test period and only fly solo. Was the same cost as last year, when my Mark-3 still had the Verner engine installed. Dennis Kirby Mark-III, 912UL, 29 hrs TT Cedar Crest, NM ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 10:54:55 AM PST US From: "Rusty" <13brv3c@bellsouth.net> Subject: RE: Kolb-List: SlingShot speeds... --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Rusty" <13brv3c@bellsouth.net> Hopefully the little HKS is putting out more horses now than it did 7 years ago. Even if it does, it is heavy and there is still the high mounting problem that doesn't do anything for performance on a Kolb aircraft. ----------------- (RD) I give up on you John. You've obviously made up your mind about the HKS, and nothing can be said to change it. You have chosen to condemn the engine for all eternity based on one brief (less than 10 hours) test of an early version of the engine, 7.5 years ago. If that's the level of research you're comfortable with, that's fine. (RD) With any luck, most folks on the list are far more open minded, and will actually look at how well the engine has been working for everyone else, in addition to the test that Dennis did long ago. One data point isn't enough for a decision! (RD) Off to work. Go ahead, talk bad about me while I'm gone, I'm used to it :-) Cheers, Rusty (change is good, like html text and photo attachments) ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 11:29:26 AM PST US From: Subject: Re: Kolb-List: 1990 kolb mk2 --> Kolb-List message posted by: > > From: "Ken Richter" > Date: 2005/09/13 Tue PM 10:29:16 EDT > To: > Subject: Kolb-List: 1990 kolb mk2 > > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ken Richter" > > does anyone have any info on a 1990 mk2 with a 503 I just bought one but haven't picked it up yet it will replace my original firestar,I was just looking for some specs like weight how big of an engine it will handle, how it will compare in flight to my firestar w/447,If there was any problems with this design. any help would be appreciated. > > Thanks Ken Richter > > I have a mk2 that I built in 1990, serial # ts0092 with a 503scsi(520 hrs.) . The gross wt. from Kolb is 750 lbs.I just completed my biannual flight review in it. Weight with instructor, and 5 gal of fuel was 785 lbs. My instructor gave me a good workout including stalls, steep turns, and emergency landings and the mk2 performed very well. It cruises at 65mph, pilot only, using 2.5 gph. As far as I know the mk2 has an excellent saftey record. I have not had any problems, but I did recieve a reinforcement bracket for an aileron control bellcrank from Kolb several years ago. Also, there was reinforcement brackets sent from the original Kolb co. for the wing. These were to spread out the compression load on the inboard steel ribs. Dale Gleason > > > > > ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 11:50:41 AM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: SlingShot speeds... --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" Rusty/All: Believe I qualified my opinions as observations, admitting I have never had a chance to fly with an HKS. I certainly do not dispute the fact that folks that know claim they are very reliable. How much time has Rusty spent flying in an HKS powered aircraft? | If that's the level of research | you're comfortable with, that's fine. Rusty, those are your words, but I imagine you have done about as much research on the HKS as I have. ;-) | (RD) With any luck, most folks on the list are far more open minded, and | will actually look at how well the engine has been working for everyone | else, in addition to the test that Dennis did long ago. One data point | isn't enough for a decision! I don't see that the HKS is working so remarkably for everyone else as you state. Besides, I have more than one data point. I read the HKS web page after John W posted it. hehehe Seems the HKS has a TBO of 800 hours. Short life for such a reliable 4 stroke. Learn something new every day. The way some of us on the Kolb List fly, 800 hours flight time is a spit in the bucket. However, if it sits in a hanger 99% of the time, it will take a good while to hit the TBO. Maybe we won't be too old to fly by the time TBO gets here. | (RD) Off to work. Go ahead, talk bad about me while I'm gone, I'm used to | it :-) Try not to talk bad about anyone, especially behind their backs. If I have something to say about you, you can bet I will say it while looking in your eyes. Course, I am at a loss here because I don't have anything bad to say about Rusty. Now, that reminds me of a story about a 503 powered Sling Shot that flew to a little flyin at Geneva, Alabama, some years back, from its home field in North Florida. Seems there were some super cells moving around between this gentleman's home field and Geneva Airport. Rather than take a chance of flying home in this type weather, the gentleman decided to call his wife to come get him, take him all the way home to spend the night, then return the next morning to retrieve his airplane. I was sleeping on the floor of the FBO and invited the gentleman to take advantage of an old couch in there, and fly out in the morning. Anyhow, I got up the next morning to sunshine and flowers, climbed in the old MKIII and flew home to Gantt IAP. Never heard from this gentleman again. Wonder if his wife divorced him after wondering around all over Southern Alabama in the middle of a storm tossed night, lost, trying to locate her grounded husband who wanted to go home to sleep in his own bed? Guess a lot of Kolb folks feel the same way about the HKS as I do. If not, why aren't there a bunch of those reliable HKS powered Kolbs flying all over God's creation? BTW: Is there an HKS powered Kolb flying somewhere out there. I can only remember about five Kolbs that mounted Verners. I know one of those didn't get going good enough to get off the ground. TNK stuck one on the "new" MKIIIx for its debut at S&F. It did not do well at all. Bill George and Dennis Kirby flew with the Verner for a short period. And.........there was a MKIII in Central Florida powered by a Verner. Believe the Verner Dealer was the gentleman that owned that MKIII, used as a hang glider tug. I have nothing against "other" engines, but I am not going to grin and tell folks what great engines they are and how compatible they are with Kolbs, when if fact they are not, as I see it. Take care, john h MKIII - Well used. 912ULS - Well used too. DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 12:55:38 PM PST US From: Robert Noyer Subject: Re: Kolb-List: One Six Right --> Kolb-List message posted by: Robert Noyer I pulled up the ad fer the VNY CD...it wanted me to sign up fer a $30 CD before I could even see the trailer. Based at VNY fer most three years with TriPacer, Skyhawk, Cardinal. Don't miss those 10+ planes, all in trail, fer final to 16R...or the cryptic "Report the brewery" Why, did they make a bad batch? Bob N. http://www.angelfire.com/rpg/ronoy AND do not archive On Sep 14, 2005, at 1:15 PM, PENGUIN wrote: > --> Kolb-List message posted by: PENGUIN ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 02:03:06 PM PST US From: Richard Pike Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Lexan --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike We made the windshield out of 1/8" inch, and the rest of the gap seal out of aluminum and 1/8" Lexan. I wish we had used 1/16" for the Lexan parts of the rest of the seal, because that stuff is heavy. Don't have any decent pics of it, but Ed is planning on flying it to Chestnut Knolls in ten days, you can see it there. Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) do not archive At 05:39 AM 9/14/05 -0700, you wrote: >--> Kolb-List message posted by: al bumhoffer > > >I am ready to make a gap seal and full enclosure for >my Firestar II and hope to get all of this out of a >single 4x8 sheet of lexan. I am wondering what >thickness others have used and sources to purchase it >from. Thanks >Al Bumhoffer, Elkton MI, Firestar II 50 hours and >loving it! > > >__________________________________ > > ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 06:46:47 PM PST US From: Robert Laird Subject: Re: Kolb-List: SlingShot speeds... --> Kolb-List message posted by: Robert Laird At 01:50 PM 9/14/2005, you wrote: >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" > >Rusty/All: > >Believe I qualified my opinions as observations, admitting I have >never had a chance to fly with an HKS. A friend of mine just finished building a Murphy Maverick with an HKS. (You can see a photo of it on our EAA Chapters web site: http://www.eaa347.org. It's also featured in the latest Sport Aviation magazine, page 78.) Here are the specs he's getting out of it so far (solo): gross weight = 950 lbs empty weight = 538 lbs rotate speed = 35mph best angle climb 46 mph best rate of climb 58 mph stall 30 mph max-cross wind at 90 deg. 18 mph vne 120 mph max cruise 90mph va maneuvering 80 mph at 6200rpm, maximum 3 min = 60 hp cruise rpm is 5,800 at 56 hp 1400rpm is idle oil pressure is 85 psi @ 6200 rpm oil temp. 140F-170F optimum, 190F max-122F min. Cht 338F max Egt 1400F max Gallons per hr about 3 1/2 Engine weighs about 121 lbs. The Maverick has about 17 hrs time so far. ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 07:29:14 PM PST US From: "Richard Swiderski" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Geo engine --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard Swiderski" George, Maybe we could get Possum to lead us & we could be a real Florida Gaggle. And if we got The Butcher Of Bradenton to bring up the rear, he could make sure no one turned back for donuts. Dreaming On Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of GeoR38@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Geo engine --> Kolb-List message posted by: GeoR38@aol.com In a message dated 9/9/2005 9:44:24 PM Eastern Standard Time, 13brv3c@bellsouth.net writes: How about this, let's both plan to be at the 2006 homecoming. Imagine two alternate engine SS's. hey Rich,,,, kinIgo? I could tag along if you don't mind flying nose high yer bud george ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 08:30:16 PM PST US From: "Larry Bourne" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: One Six Right --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" Very nice. Thanks. Lar. Do not Archive. Larry Bourne Palm Springs, CA Building Kolb Mk III N78LB Vamoose www.gogittum.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "PENGUIN" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: One Six Right > --> Kolb-List message posted by: PENGUIN > > What a genius - no url... > > http://www.onesixright.com/video/aerials.html > > Sorry about that... > > Penguin > > PENGUIN wrote: > >>--> Kolb-List message posted by: PENGUIN >> >>OK, there's no Kolbs in it, or at least in this 3 minute trailer for a >>new 73 minute GA documentary. >> >>But it will warm the cockles of your heart anyway. >> >>Anybody for flying a REAL tail dragger? ;-0 >> >>Penguin >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 11:50:59 PM PST US From: "Rusty" <13brv3c@bellsouth.net> Subject: RE: Kolb-List: SlingShot speeds... --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Rusty" <13brv3c@bellsouth.net> Rusty, those are your words, but I imagine you have done about as much research on the HKS as I have. ;-) ------------- (RD) I'd bet you're dead wrong about this. I have a friend who is rabidly interested in the HKS, and has pestered me about it for years. I've followed all the reports I could find on them for years. It's extremely unlikely that a devoted Rotaxian like yourself would have bothered to keep up with the HKS to that extent. I don't see that the HKS is working so remarkably for everyone else as you state. (RD) Tell you what, point me to someone who has removed an HKS because it had too many problems. It is hard to find much info on the HKS, but you know the way human nature works. If you sell 100 people an engine they're satisfied with, you'll never hear about it, but screw just one person, and it will be all over the net. I've conversed with a number of HKS folks, and their all happy. I haven't found one yet that wasn't. I'm certainly open to hear whatever your extensive research has revealed. Besides, I have more than one data point. I read the HKS web page after John W posted it. hehehe Seems the HKS has a TBO of 800 hours. Short life for such a reliable 4 stroke. Learn something new every day. (RD) Best I recall, the 912 only had an 800 or 1000 hour TBO in it's earlier life. Wise and conservative companies set the TBO low initially, because they need real world data to determine what the safe life in actual service will be. HKS has continued to increase their TBO based on this experience, JUST like Rotax did with the 912. When the HKS is as old as the 912, it may have the same, or better TBO. The way some of us on the Kolb List fly, 800 hours flight time is a spit in the bucket. However, if it sits in a hanger 99% of the time, it will take a good while to hit the TBO. Maybe we won't be too old to fly by the time TBO gets here. (RD) While I realize that this is your second cheap shot in this thread to point out that I don't fly much, I'd bet that only 1-2% of the folks on this list fly 800 hours in a lifetime, so in fact the HKS would be plenty. Only a few folks like you, and John Williamson fly as much as you do. That's great, awesome in fact, and I sincerely admire what you both do with your planes. (RD) What you don't seem to understand is that not everyone wants to fly a 912 powered MK-III Classic for the rest of their lives. Some of us are true experimenters, who want to try new things. I'm guessing you used to be like that too, so think back, and try to remember what it was like :-) Now, that reminds me of a story about a 503 powered Sling Shot that flew to a little flyin at Geneva, Alabama, some years back, from its home field in North Florida. (RD) I'll consider this cheap (and irrelevant) shot number three for this thread. Best I recall, the old gentleman in the story came equipped to camp, as he always does. The younger gentleman didn't, and since he wasn't far from home, his wife was happy to come get him. She still loves him very much BTW, and would probably have something foul to say about the old gentleman's story as posted. Guess a lot of Kolb folks feel the same way about the HKS as I do. If not, why aren't there a bunch of those reliable HKS powered Kolbs flying all over God's creation? (RD) Perhaps it's due to veteran list members spreading unfounded rumors that they won't work :-) I have nothing against "other" engines, but I am not going to grin and tell folks what great engines they are and how compatible they are with Kolbs, when if fact they are not, as I see it. (RD) You're certainly entitled to your opinion, though I feel you're a bit biased with regard to engine choice. One of the rotary guys has a signature line that says "If nothing changes, then nothing changes". I love that line. Someone has to try new engines, and it obviously won't be you. I would ask that you try not to bias everyone against new ideas though. Cheers, Rusty Do not archive