---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 09/16/05: 23 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:43 AM - Re: Kolb Quit. (PATRICK LADD) 2. 05:36 AM - Departing the list was SlingShot speeds... (Rusty) 3. 05:47 AM - other than 912 (James, Ken) 4. 06:07 AM - Re: other than 912 (robert bean) 5. 07:26 AM - Re: Kolb Quit. (Richard & Martha Neilsen) 6. 08:01 AM - Re: Kolb Kwit (robert bean) 7. 09:26 AM - Cool Wire (N27SB@aol.com) 8. 09:39 AM - Re: Kolb Quit. (Dave & Eve Pelletier) 9. 10:09 AM - Re: Kolb Quit. (PATRICK LADD) 10. 10:22 AM - Re: Re: Kolb Kwit (PATRICK LADD) 11. 10:26 AM - Re: Kolb Quit. (PATRICK LADD) 12. 11:00 AM - Re: Cool Wire (ray anderson) 13. 11:08 AM - Re: Re: Kolb Kwit (John Hauck) 14. 11:34 AM - Re: Cool Wire (N27SB@aol.com) 15. 11:59 AM - Kolb Quit/Tail Post Problems (John Hauck) 16. 12:26 PM - Re: HKS 700 engine (Jack B. Hart) 17. 12:36 PM - kolb 3 pt landing (b young) 18. 12:36 PM - 'Kolb quit?' (Ed Chmielewski) 19. 12:48 PM - Kolb TwinStar for Sale (Jack B. Hart) 20. 04:00 PM - History (John Hauck) 21. 07:40 PM - Re: Cool Wire (bryan green) 22. 08:05 PM - Re: other than 912 (woody) 23. 08:12 PM - Re: History (Richard Swiderski) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:43:36 AM PST US From: "PATRICK LADD" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Kolb Quit. --> Kolb-List message posted by: "PATRICK LADD" Hi John, A typical Hauk response. Take no prisoners. << "Kolb Quit", a term that was recently coined by Pat Ladd,>> Really? I thought I picked it up from the list among the many horror stories of bent u/c legs caused by hard landings. << who has yet to fly his Kolb.>> Aaarrgghhh! You had to put the knife in, didn`t you. I am very aware of the fact and it is the reason that I am asking these questions. Soon though. Soon! << All aircraft stall >> Absolutely true my friend. However they do not all stall in the same manner. Some just nod their noses and mush slowly down, some drop like a stone and bite yer leg off. <> I agree with you John. I do the same in the Challenger, for the same reason, and I hope to become competent enough to do it in the Kolb. <<. It also takes a lot of lateral loads off the tail post.>> I will bear that in mind . <<, is not like a "real" airplane>> I dont have enough time in `real airplanes` to affect my expectations. Apart from very limited time in a T6 , P51,Tiger Moth,Colt,Cessna.it is all gliders and ultralights. Nothing like your hours of course . << Any shallower approach angle is what I term a B-52 approach.>> Yeah! We call them `bomber approaches` too. <>. I look forward to qualifying. Thanks for your comments. That is why I asked the question. Cheers Pat do not archive ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:36:42 AM PST US From: "Rusty" <13brv3c@bellsouth.net> Subject: Kolb-List: Departing the list was SlingShot speeds... --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Rusty" <13brv3c@bellsouth.net> You're right Rick, but that seems to be how every thread with John goes. Even when I try to agree with him, this crap starts, and I'm tired of wasting my time with it. My goal here was to keep people informed about the rotary engine possibilities, but I suppose if anyone really wants to know, they can join the rotary list, or send me an email. Best wishes to all, and that certainly includes John. Rusty ---------------- This has been a interesting discussion and some very good information has been gained but it seems to be more of a pissing match now. Please take this off the list. Rick Neilsen Redrive VW powered MKIIIc ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:47:34 AM PST US From: "James, Ken" Subject: Kolb-List: other than 912 --> Kolb-List message posted by: "James, Ken" I for one enjoy seeing other posts about engines that are not 912 so keep them coming Ken -----Original Message----- From: Rusty [mailto:13brv3c@bellsouth.net] Subject: Kolb-List: Departing the list was SlingShot speeds... --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Rusty" <13brv3c@bellsouth.net> You're right Rick, but that seems to be how every thread with John goes. Even when I try to agree with him, this crap starts, and I'm tired of wasting my time with it. My goal here was to keep people informed about the rotary engine possibilities, but I suppose if anyone really wants to know, they can join the rotary list, or send me an email. Best wishes to all, and that certainly includes John. Rusty ---------------- This has been a interesting discussion and some very good information has been gained but it seems to be more of a pissing match now. Please take this off the list. Rick Neilsen Redrive VW powered MKIIIc IMPORTANT/CONFIDENTIAL: This communication is intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed. This e-mail contains information from the Berks Career & Technology Center that may be privileged, confidential, and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this communication is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately and permanently delete this message including all attachments. Thank you. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:07:22 AM PST US From: robert bean Subject: Re: Kolb-List: other than 912 --> Kolb-List message posted by: robert bean On 16, Sep 2005, at 8:47 AM, James, Ken wrote: > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "James, Ken" > > I for one enjoy seeing other posts about engines that are not 912 so > keep > them coming > > Ken > info for curiosity seekers, taken from the yahoo engine list. letter refers to the 1.3 suzuki conversion. This kind of installation requires ambition, dedication, brains and knowhow. -not for the average bear. I have flown in both of Jaime's Geo-powered planes and am impressed by the performance, especially of the latest one. Nessa IV is wide and roomy, something like 46" at the elbows, and it cruises at over 90 mph with the rpms pulled back. Nessa IV has an SDS controller that allows +/- 50% override of the fuel delivery. It also optimises the ignition advance, and displays the setting on the panel. I think that this is part of the reason that Jaime can get what sounds like an improbably low fuel burn. Also, Jaime is always experimenting with different pulley ratios and prop settings to optimize the package. The SDS system allows much sharper carburetion that the two Bings of a 912, so you can't really use that engine's fuel burn as a comparison. I keep wishing that Rotax would supply a port injection system because those Bings are pretty sloppy in metering fuel. They shake around on their rubbers and are rarely in balance for long. Because a fourstroke is very accepting of poor jetting, many owners do not spend the time to jet correctly, and fly with whatever is bearable. The Bings have some measure of altitude compensation by vacuuming the float bowls, but this is no more sophisticated than the old Mikuni homo-pressure that Suzuki used on the T500 two strokes in 1968. . Jaime's engine package is smooth and quiet, with none of the idle roughness of the 912S. At fly-ins people always remark on how quiet the plane is. I have flown in other planes powered by the 912S and Nessa IV is a seat of the pants performance match for the 912S in similarly-sized airframes. Keep in mind that this engine is the single cam 8 valve engine, with the only real engine mod being a reground cam to raise the torque peak to near 5000 rpms. The rest of the power comes from the intake and exhaust system, plus the engine management made possible by the SDS. Jaime is now looking for a 16 valve version, as recommended by Abid. This engine is a true experimental because it is always being modified. If it were my own I would be very happy with the way it is now, but Jaime is always looking for that last bit. However he does not go for the simplistic racing-style demon tweak that makes a short-lived hand grenade. Instead he is optimizing cylinder filling and combustion efficiency in the 4500-5800 rpm range. Jaime runs at rpms similar to the Rotax and uses his planes regularly for cross- country travel. He is a Chief Inspector for the MD-RA and saves a lot of time getting to builders' airstrips all over Ontario when he is doing inspections. Jaime is not unwilling to share information either. His website nessaaircraft.net shows most of what he has done. -BB do not archive ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:26:22 AM PST US From: "Richard & Martha Neilsen" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Kolb Quit. --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard & Martha Neilsen" Pat/all John has a fantastic airplane but the tail loads that John talks about are created by the modifications he made in his airplane and are not as pronounced in stock airplane. His higher landing gear which shifts allot more weight to the tail and that big tundra sized tail wheel likely gets allot more grip with anything it rolls on. Together they stress the tail more than with a stock configuration. The general rule is any modification to an airplane is usually followed my another modification that compensates for it. I made braces for my tail also because I felt that I would gain from John's experience. Also those power off, full flap landings take allot of experience by working into them slowly. Don't get suckered into trying it in a Kolb too soon. Those of us that have our base in GA aircraft aren't prepared for those high angle of approach landings. Ask me how I know that. Rick Neilsen Redrive VW powered MKIIIc ----- Original Message ----- From: "PATRICK LADD" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Kolb Quit. > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "PATRICK LADD" > > Hi John, > A typical Hauk response. Take no prisoners. > > << "Kolb Quit", a term that was recently coined by Pat Ladd,>> > Really? I thought I picked it up from the list among the many horror > stories > of bent u/c legs caused by hard landings. > > << who has yet to fly his Kolb.>> > Aaarrgghhh! You had to put the knife in, didn`t you. I am very aware of > the > fact and it is the reason that I am asking these questions. Soon though. > Soon! > > << All aircraft stall >> > Absolutely true my friend. However they do not all stall in the same > manner. > Some just nod their noses and mush slowly down, some drop like a stone and > bite yer leg off. > > < not > using power as a crutch to make the field. I believe this is good > training > >> > > I agree with you John. I do the same in the Challenger, for the same > reason, > and I hope to become competent enough to do it in the Kolb. > > <<. It also takes a lot of lateral loads off the tail post.>> > > I will bear that in mind . > > <<, is not like a "real" airplane>> > I dont have enough time in `real airplanes` to affect my expectations. > Apart > from very limited time in a T6 , P51,Tiger Moth,Colt,Cessna.it is all > gliders and ultralights. Nothing like your hours of course > > . << Any shallower approach angle is what I term a B-52 approach.>> > > Yeah! We call them `bomber approaches` too. > > < a part of your vocabulary>>. > > I look forward to qualifying. Thanks for your comments. That is why I > asked > the question. > > Cheers > > Pat > > do not archive > > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:01:20 AM PST US From: robert bean Subject: Kolb-List: re: Kolb Kwit --> Kolb-List message posted by: robert bean This little airplane has me spoiled. I can blunder onto my 1300' strip without paying much attention to speed, cut the noise and the prop airbrakes me to an easy landing in half the meadow. Get back in a "real" airplane and I'd be in the neighbor's corn for sure. I don't see the concern about the quit. If you're near the ground. -hmmm, air up there, ground down here. simple. do not archive ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:26:33 AM PST US From: N27SB@aol.com Subject: Kolb-List: Cool Wire --> Kolb-List message posted by: N27SB@aol.com To All, I have been looking for a really good multi-conductor cable to run from the 447 to the inst panel. It seems like you can never find just the right stuff. Recently I came across a Surplus lot of 12 conductor 22awg FEP insulated cable with both a foil and braided shield. This stuff usually sells for about $4.00 per foot which is pretty pricey. If anyone is interested I will share some of this for $1.85 per foot. The O.D. of this stuff is about .250. With 12 cond + ground you can run dual cht, dual egt, tach, kill switch and have two wires left if you share the shielding as a ground for the tach and kill. Steve 2 Fireflies ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:39:12 AM PST US From: "Dave & Eve Pelletier" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Kolb Quit. --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dave & Eve Pelletier" Pat, Your response should be required reading in any class dealing with diplomacy. AzDave Do Not Archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "PATRICK LADD" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Kolb Quit. > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "PATRICK LADD" > > Hi John, > A typical Hauk response. Take no prisoners. > > << "Kolb Quit", a term that was recently coined by Pat Ladd,>> > Really? I thought I picked it up from the list among the many horror > stories > of bent u/c legs caused by hard landings. > > << who has yet to fly his Kolb.>> > Aaarrgghhh! You had to put the knife in, didn`t you. I am very aware of > the > fact and it is the reason that I am asking these questions. Soon though. > Soon! > > << All aircraft stall >> > Absolutely true my friend. However they do not all stall in the same > manner. > Some just nod their noses and mush slowly down, some drop like a stone and > bite yer leg off. > > < not > using power as a crutch to make the field. I believe this is good > training > >> > > I agree with you John. I do the same in the Challenger, for the same > reason, > and I hope to become competent enough to do it in the Kolb. > > <<. It also takes a lot of lateral loads off the tail post.>> > > I will bear that in mind . > > <<, is not like a "real" airplane>> > I dont have enough time in `real airplanes` to affect my expectations. > Apart > from very limited time in a T6 , P51,Tiger Moth,Colt,Cessna.it is all > gliders and ultralights. Nothing like your hours of course > > . << Any shallower approach angle is what I term a B-52 approach.>> > > Yeah! We call them `bomber approaches` too. > > < a part of your vocabulary>>. > > I look forward to qualifying. Thanks for your comments. That is why I > asked > the question. > > Cheers > > Pat > > do not archive > > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 10:09:02 AM PST US From: "PATRICK LADD" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Kolb Quit. --> Kolb-List message posted by: "PATRICK LADD" Hi Rick, thanks for your last couple of posts. This stuff is all filed away in my head. I just hope I can find it when I need it. Cheers Pat do not archive ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 10:22:33 AM PST US From: "PATRICK LADD" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: re: Kolb Kwit --> Kolb-List message posted by: "PATRICK LADD" I don't see the concern about the quit. If you're near the ground. -hmmm, air up there, ground down here. simple.>> Thanks Robert, When I learned to fly taildraggers, in a Tiger Moth, I was told to aim for a three point landing at the moment the stall warning came on. In other words be on the ground when the plane stopped flying. If it still had flying speed the damn thing would bounce and go on flying until it sank back to the ground again, and again, and again. Getting the plane a couple of imches off the ground when it quits is the trick. Cheers Pat do not archive ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 10:26:03 AM PST US From: "PATRICK LADD" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Kolb Quit. --> Kolb-List message posted by: "PATRICK LADD" < Thanks Azdave, the English are renowned for it, dontcha know! Cheers Pat do not archive ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 11:00:11 AM PST US From: ray anderson Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Cool Wire --> Kolb-List message posted by: ray anderson I'm familiar with this type of multi conductor cable and would suggest that for safety's sake, at least two strands be paralled for a kill switch use. N27SB@aol.com wrote:--> Kolb-List message posted by: N27SB@aol.com To All, I have been looking for a really good multi-conductor cable to run from the 447 to the inst panel. It seems like you can never find just the right stuff. Recently I came across a Surplus lot of 12 conductor 22awg FEP insulated cable with both a foil and braided shield. This stuff usually sells for about $4.00 per foot which is pretty pricey. If anyone is interested I will share some of this for $1.85 per foot. The O.D. of this stuff is about .250. With 12 cond + ground you can run dual cht, dual egt, tach, kill switch and have two wires left if you share the shielding as a ground for the tach and kill. Steve 2 Fireflies --------------------------------- Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 11:08:04 AM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: re: Kolb Kwit --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" | the ground when it quits is the trick. | | Cheers | | Pat Patrick/Gang: Agree 100%. Wish I could do that 100% of the time, but alas, I can not. I usually bomb most of my landings on pavement, yet seldom have a problem doing a good 3 pt on grass. Must be some hang up in my mind. New Kolb builders usually get hung up on landing a Kolb. I think they get this mind set that they are going to have a difficult time getting the airplane on the ground without bending the landing gear. They think about it so much, they go out and do it. I was not a high time Kolb pilot when I started flying Kolbs. I was not even a fixed wing pilot when I started flying Kolbs. I could fly helicopters, but not one minute of stick time in a fixed wing. Took two landings to get it right. First landing was late. Touched down on the departure end of my unimproved 600 ft cow pasture, went over the hill, then took out landing gear and prop when it cross a cow path perpedicular to the air strip. Second landing was ok, and I had learned how to do it. Keep up your airspeed, fly it to the ground, push the stick forward to hold it there until it qets below flying speed, which will be lower than your stall speed in ground effect. Go fly, have fun, be safe, john h ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 11:34:23 AM PST US From: N27SB@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Cool Wire --> Kolb-List message posted by: N27SB@aol.com In a message dated 9/16/05 1:00:55 PM Central Daylight Time, rsanoa@yahoo.com writes: > at least two strands be paralled for a kill switch use. > Good idea, Thanks steve do not archive ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 11:59:58 AM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Kolb-List: Kolb Quit/Tail Post Problems --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" Hi Rick/Gang: Let me see if I can respond to your post without hurting anyone's feelings or causing them to get their panties in a wad. about are | created by the modifications he made in his airplane and are not as | pronounced in stock airplane. Rick, you are partially correct in the above. If one looks at the tail section of a Kolb, the only lateral bracing one will see is the tail wires which only keep the parts seperated, and a couple welds on the tail boom ring to the upper and lower vertical stabilizer sockets. As far as I can determine these welds are the stock lateral bracing. Correct me if I am wrong. All Kolb aircraft load up the tail post laterally in normal operation, especially those aircraft equipped with a non-full- swiveling tailwheel. The reason the load up the tail post laterally is because pilots try to turn them tighter than the tail wheel will swivel. Then the tail wheel slides and side hops. I broke the lower vertical stabilizer on the old factory MKIII at OSH many years ago for that reason. Actually, it was the aluminum lower vertical stabilizer tube, where it comes out of the 4130 socket off the tail post. I sent urls for photos of this new bracing to the Kolb List some time ago. His higher landing gear which shifts allot | more weight to the tail and that big tundra sized tail wheel likely gets | allot more grip with anything it rolls on. Together they stress the tail | more than with a stock configuration. Actually it is the relocation of the main gear 8 inches forward of the stock gear that adds most of the weight, about the same as the Sling Shot carries on its tail wheel. The Maule Tundra Tail Wheel (that's what Maule calls it) probably reduces a lot of stress on the tail boom and the tail post. There is much less resistance in a rolling, full swiveling, pneumatic tail wheel, than a small stock or after market tail wheel that is normally fitted to a Kolb. The 8 inch tail wheel has not been on the airplane that many hours. Most of the tail post and tail boom ring welds and tubing breaks were experienced flying with the much smaller and lighter Maule and Scott 6 inch tail wheels. Another factor is number of take offs and landings, primarily on unimproved surfaces, and high time. Rick, I took the liberty to change the subject line to what we are talking about. Like any other airplane, landing a Kolb is the same. To maintain airspeed with the engine at idle one must push the nose down. Pull the nose up and it will stall. Fly the airplane to the ground and land. What is so difficult about that? If one maintains their airspeed, one will not stall the airplane. If you touch down a Kolb above stall speed and do not correct with forward stick, it will balloon more than high enough to stall and bend and break landing gear. If you do balloon on landing, as I do quite frequently, push the nose down and come in with a little power to cushion back on the ground. john h MKIII Titus, Alabama ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 12:26:03 PM PST US From: "Jack B. Hart" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: HKS 700 engine --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jack B. Hart" At 10:46 AM 9/15/05 -0400, you wrote: >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kirk Smith" > >Group, I have been off the web for about a week due to a computer crash. I have no experience with the HKS, but I have been around quite a few. My old EAA Chapter 453 members fly at least three of these engines. One was in a Kitfox and another was in a T-Bird, both had been powered by a Rotax. Another was a two place high wing tail dragger that had been powered by a Subaru engine. All of owners had nothing but good things to say about their engines. If you would like to talk to any of the owners, or to the person who installed the engines just go to the following jump and give them a call: http://www.losthillaviationinc.com/index.htm Jack B. Hart FF004 Winchester, IN ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 12:36:22 PM PST US From: "b young" Subject: Kolb-List: kolb 3 pt landing --> Kolb-List message posted by: "b young" pat it seems in my mkIIIc that if I do a complete stall landing the tail wheel hits first with the mains about 4 to 6 inches off the ground... when the tail wheel hits and the mains drop down with a thud, there is no bounce and no indication that it wants to keep flying but it is not as soft as I would like.... when I use full flaps that condition is reduced. but I really prefer only =BD flaps and only use full if I really need to come out of the sky fast.... the decent angle with full flaps is scary for non kolb flyers... even =BD flaps at an idle it quite steep.... I usually keep some power on in order to make the arrival more comfortable. getting back to the original question: if the tail sat a bit lower it would not be a problem.... it would make the angle of attack on touchdown better.... john H raised the front of his mk IIIc by installing longer main landing gear.... it does the same thing... I raised the front by installing larger wheels, went from a 600 x 6 x 15 to a standard 600 x 6 tyre that I got used at the airport, they come off a super cub. boyd ----------------------------------------- Hi all, among the measures suggested to get the weight down on my Kolb Xtra is cutting down part of the tail wheel assembly.This will lower the tail I feel that this is a last resort as I think that the Kolb has a very high angle of attack when at rest on the ground and I wonder if this high A of A contributes to the Kolb Quit when pilots are sitting nose high in the flair with falling airspeed while feeling for a three point landing. . Any of you long hours pilots have an opinion on this? Cheers Pat ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 12:36:22 PM PST US From: "Ed Chmielewski" Subject: Kolb-List: 'Kolb quit?' --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ed Chmielewski" Hi All, Seems the discussions about landing a Kolb are taking on mythological proportions. I've yet to fly mine (like some of those posting), and when I do I'll form my opinion at that time. The Kolbs have high drag and low inertia, so it would seem prudent to 'fly it on' with a little power for those first few landings. Not trying to beat a dead horse, but I can't debate something of which I have no knowledge. Ed in Jackson (MI) MkII/503 Do Not Archive. ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 12:48:06 PM PST US From: "Jack B. Hart" Subject: Kolb-List: Kolb TwinStar for Sale --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jack B. Hart" Kolbers and Want-to-be Kolbers, I was at the airport working on the FireFly, when a very nice Jabiru powered MarkIII landed and topped off the gas tanks. I talked to them for awhile and I found they had another Kolb for sale. They sent me the description. If you are interested, give them a call. Kolb TwinStar 2-place with new Rotax 503 engine installed in 2004, DIDC, oil injected, C gearbox. Differential disk brakes, position and strobe lights. Includes Comtronics ultra-pro helmets and intercom. Aerothane paint. Lexan center section. Elevator and aileron trim. Many extras and spares. 1-owner, always hangared. Economical side-by-side open-air fun. Moving and must sell. Will Tatham (419) 423-7075. Jack B. Hart FF004 Winchester, IN do not archive ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 04:00:35 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Kolb-List: History --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" Hi Folks: Amazing what one finds going through 22 years of aviation magazines. This afternoon I found an EAA Experimenter, May 1992. The back cover photo is of the famous "Flying Stork" as I dubbed it the first time I saw it with those extra long gear legs. This aircraft, at the time, belonged to my friend Richard Swiderski. It is a very modified Kolb Ultrastar. The Ultrastar is sillouetted against the evening sky, probably at Lakeland. Wouldn't you know it, this issue does not have a description of the back cover photo, that I could find. The first time I saw this Ultrastar was just north of the Florida Flying Gator Airpark. Did not know Richard at the time, or his airplane. I was out flying the local area when I saw him low leveling ahead of me. I got on his tail and shadowed him for a long period before I finally tired of that game and let him see me. ;-) The other Experimenter is October 1994. On page 10 is an article entitled, "To Oshkosh Via Rotax Power," by Richard Pike. Good article Richard Pike. If you guys would like to have these mags, let me know bc with a mailing address and I will get them out to you. Take care, john h DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 07:40:22 PM PST US From: bryan green Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Cool Wire --> Kolb-List message posted by: bryan green To go along with what Ray said, if your connecting to any sensitive instruments only ground the shield on one end to prevent electrical noise. Bryan Green Do not archive N27SB@aol.com wrote: >--> Kolb-List message posted by: N27SB@aol.com > >In a message dated 9/16/05 1:00:55 PM Central Daylight Time, rsanoa@yahoo.com >writes: > > > >>at least two strands be paralled for a kill switch use. >> >> >> > >Good idea, Thanks > >steve > do not archive > > > > ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 08:05:39 PM PST US From: "woody" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: other than 912 --> Kolb-List message posted by: "woody" . Jaime runs at > rpms similar to the Rotax and uses his planes regularly for cross- > country travel. He is a Chief Inspector for the MD-RA and saves a > lot of time getting to builders' airstrips all over Ontario when he > is doing inspections. ???????? Where in Ontario is he based ?????????? ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 08:12:00 PM PST US From: "Richard Swiderski" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: History --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard Swiderski" John, I lost that magazine long ago. It sure would make a great Christmas present in September! It was Lakeland Sun & Fun. You could send it without ribbons to 1710 SE 140th St., Summerfield FL 34491. Thanks a ton, Richard Swiderski Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Hauck Subject: Kolb-List: History --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" Hi Folks: Amazing what one finds going through 22 years of aviation magazines. This afternoon I found an EAA Experimenter, May 1992. The back cover photo is of the famous "Flying Stork" as I dubbed it the first time I saw it with those extra long gear legs. This aircraft, at the time, belonged to my friend Richard Swiderski. It is a very modified Kolb Ultrastar. The Ultrastar is sillouetted against the evening sky, probably at Lakeland. Wouldn't you know it, this issue does not have a description of the back cover photo, that I could find. The first time I saw this Ultrastar was just north of the Florida Flying Gator Airpark. Did not know Richard at the time, or his airplane. I was out flying the local area when I saw him low leveling ahead of me. I got on his tail and shadowed him for a long period before I finally tired of that game and let him see me. ;-) The other Experimenter is October 1994. On page 10 is an article entitled, "To Oshkosh Via Rotax Power," by Richard Pike. Good article Richard Pike. If you guys would like to have these mags, let me know bc with a mailing address and I will get them out to you. Take care, john h DO NOT ARCHIVE