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1. 02:15 AM - Re: Re: Kolb Kwit (PATRICK LADD)
2. 02:34 AM - Re: Kolb Quit/Tail Post Problems (PATRICK LADD)
3. 02:37 AM - Kolb Kwit (David L. Bigelow)
4. 06:59 AM - Re: Cool Wire (N27SB@aol.com)
5. 06:59 AM - Right here Woody (Kirk Smith)
6. 07:15 AM - 2SI Engines. (Chuck Stonex)
7. 07:30 AM - Re: 2SI Engines. (Denny Rowe)
8. 07:37 AM - Re: Kolb Kwit (Richard Pike)
9. 07:37 AM - Re: Re: Kolb Kwit (John Hauck)
10. 07:39 AM - Re: Kolb Quit/Tail Post Problems (John Hauck)
11. 07:50 AM - Re: 2SI Engines. (Chuck Stonex)
12. 08:23 AM - Re: Kolb Kwit (John Hauck)
13. 08:31 AM - Re: Re: Kolb Kwit (ray anderson)
14. 12:02 PM - selling my MkII (Charles Blackwell)
15. 12:49 PM - q (russ kinne)
16. 12:50 PM - Re: selling my MkII (robert bean)
17. 12:58 PM - Re: selling my MkII (Chuck Stonex)
18. 01:02 PM - Re: Re: Kolb Kwit (PATRICK LADD)
19. 01:22 PM - Re: q (PATRICK LADD)
20. 01:39 PM - Re: Re: Kolb Kwit (John Hauck)
21. 05:08 PM - Tail Post Bracing (John Hauck)
22. 05:35 PM - Re: Tail Post Bracing (Kirk Smith)
23. 05:54 PM - Re: Tail Post Bracing (John Hauck)
24. 06:06 PM - Ready for the home coming (ElleryWeld@aol.com)
25. 06:21 PM - Re: Ready for the home coming (John Hauck)
26. 06:26 PM - Re: 2SI Engines. (Denny Rowe)
27. 06:31 PM - Re: Ready for the home coming (ElleryWeld@aol.com)
28. 06:36 PM - Re: Ready for the home coming (Denny Rowe)
29. 06:37 PM - Re: Tail Post Bracing (Larry Bourne)
30. 06:48 PM - Re: Tail Post Bracing (Mike Pierzina)
31. 06:55 PM - Re: 2SI Engines. (Chuck Stonex)
32. 08:03 PM - Re: Tail Post Bracing (Richard Pike)
33. 08:06 PM - Re: Ready for the home coming (Richard Pike)
34. 09:30 PM - More History - Trailer for sale (Dennis Souder)
35. 09:49 PM - Re: Tail Post Bracing (Larry Bourne)
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| Subject: | Re: re: Kolb Kwit |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "PATRICK LADD" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
fly it to the ground, push the stick forward to hold it there until it qets
below flying speed >>
Thanks John,
that sounds workable.
Does your 200 yard strip have hedges or other obstructions on the approach?
If you fly regularly from there that will keep your landings sharp.
Calm waters do not make good sailors
Cheers
Pat
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb Quit/Tail Post Problems |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "PATRICK LADD" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
If you do balloon on landing, as I do quite
frequently, push the nose down and come in with a little power to
cushion back on the ground.>>
Hi John,
now that is interesting as it is the exact opposite to anything I did when
flying the Thruster. That was the last taildragger I flew before going
tricycle u/c with the Challenger.
I well remember a good bounce while I was with an instructor during
conversion from gliders to ultralights. Finding myself nose high ,with
falling airspeed, I did automatically what any pilot would do. I stuffed
the nose down. The bone shattering crunch with which I arrived on the tarmac
had the instructor out of the cockpit inspecting the u/c in nothing flat.
The next time I bounced I gave it a burst of throttle and KEPT THE STICK
BACK. She settled like thistledown.
I guess it just depends on the height of the bounce. I have always landed
the Challenger nose high to keep the weak front wheel strut off the ground
until. the speed drops. If it bounces I keep the stick back abd the plane
takes care of itself.
How do other people cope?
Cheers
Pat
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "David L. Bigelow" <dlbigelow@verizon.net>
Keep the airspeed up on final or you'll run out of flare energy and plant the aircraft
- all good advice! The Kolb family (along with most other ultralights)
are draggy airplanes that do not tend to float well in ground effect when compared
to other more aerodynamically clean aircraft.
A good rule of thumb for approach speed in ultralights and sailplanes is 1.5 times
the stall speed in smooth air. Add 1/2 the wind plus the gust factor up
to a maximum of twice the stall speed.
Steep power off approaches to a short field are not the best technique unless you
have to get in over an approach path obstruction. Fly a 2 - 3 degree glide
path (not a low angle dragged in approach) using power as necessary to maintain
your target airspeed. Your engine didn't quit so far during the flight, and
isn't likely to now. Nothing wrong with practicing steeper simulated engine
out approaches, but as a standard approach, forget it - bad technique. Any flight
instructor or professional pilot will tell you that. Don't be intimidated
by the bomber approach crap. A stabilized power on approach will put you on
the proper spot at the right speed every time.
Dave Bigelow
Kamuela, HI
FS2, 503 DCDI
20,000 + hours in the air in many types of a/c and counting
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: N27SB@aol.com
In a message dated 9/16/2005 10:40:57 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
lgreen1@sc.rr.com writes:
if your connecting to any sensitive
instruments only ground the shield on one end to prevent electrical noise.
Bryan Green
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Thanks Bryan, I agree, but in this case I am using basic Westach stuff and
it seems to be very resistant to noise. Once again, the luxury of Real
Ultralight is simplicity.
steve
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| Subject: | Right here Woody |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kirk Smith" <snuffy@usol.com>
http://www.nessaaircraft.net/farmFrame1Source1.htm
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Chuck Stonex" <cstonex@msn.com>
I have another major question. With out causing too much contriversy, does
any one have any experiance or knowledge of 2SI engines? I do know that
according to he factory they will not support the engine if it is mounted on
an airframe but it is still available for watercraft and snowmobiles and
pumps. It is reliable and safe or is it like a Cuyuna. I am seriously
looking at a Challenger II CW that has one on it with less that 100 hours.
Chuck S
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| Subject: | Re: 2SI Engines. |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Denny Rowe" <rowedl@highstream.net>
----- Original Message -----
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Chuck Stonex" <cstonex@msn.com>
>
> I have another major question. With out causing too much contriversy, does
> any one have any experiance or knowledge of 2SI engines? I do know that
> according to he factory they will not support the engine if it is mounted
> on
> an airframe but it is still available for watercraft and snowmobiles and
> pumps. It is reliable and safe or is it like a Cuyuna. I am seriously
> looking at a Challenger II CW that has one on it with less that 100 hours.
> Chuck S
>
>
> Chuck,
I have the 690 engine on my Mk-3, only 70hrs as I have not flown this year
for personal reasons.
So far I am pretty happy with the 690 but have too little time on it to give
you a difinitive answer.
As this engine is unsupported by the manufacturer it does put you in a
compromised position.
Sorry for mudding up the water for you.
Denny Rowe, Mk-3, PA, Still in hanger building mode.
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org>
Good advice - and now for the part about approaches over a steep
obstruction. I have a string of those big high tensions towers and lines
about 1,000' out from touchdown, and it is mandatory to lose 400' vertical
across 1,000' horizontal. (The power towers sit on ridges, and my touchdown
point is at the base of a small rise) Since a go around is unadvisable, it
needs to work right every time. Here is how I do it -
Stabilize the airspeed about 1/4 mile from the obstruction with however
much flaps you plan to use. My MKIII has six flap positions, max is about
35 degrees, and that is what I use. My minimum approach speed with vortex
generators is 45, but the MKIII with flaps will slow down so quickly that
55 is a more comfortable speed. I stabilize the approach to cross the power
tower with at least 30' of altitude - 50' when it is turbulent. (No point
in being a media event - or a Krispy Kritter). As soon as I cross the
obstruction, I go to idle but keep the same airspeed. I sometimes need a
shot of power on short final to make it pretty, but I plan for idle all the
way to touchdown.
If the engine quits - the MKIII glides much better dead stick than when it
is at idle. On a MKIII, you can use the flap handle to control glidepath
almost like spoilers on a sailplane. Less flaps - flatter glide. More flaps
- steeper glide. On the expensive occasion when the spiderweb plugged up my
oil tank line, I learned this bit of trivia under pressure, I'm sure it
would be less distracting to practice it without a whimpering passenger....
And to paraphrase friend Dave below - a stabilized power off approach will
also put you on the proper spot at the right speed every time. Once your
approach is stabilized, look at the touchdown point through the wind
screen, what is it doing? Moving up, or moving down? Plan accordingly, it's
simple, and it's consistent. I only have about 1,500 hours, but most of
them are going in and out of this same 750' long, highly obstructed airstrip.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
At 11:37 PM 9/16/05 -1000, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "David L. Bigelow" <dlbigelow@verizon.net>
>
>
>Keep the airspeed up on final or you'll run out of flare energy and plant
>the aircraft - all good advice! The Kolb family (along with most other
>ultralights) are draggy airplanes that do not tend to float well in ground
>effect when compared to other more aerodynamically clean aircraft.
>
> A good rule of thumb for approach speed in ultralights and sailplanes is
> 1.5 times the stall speed in smooth air. Add 1/2 the wind plus the gust
> factor up to a maximum of twice the stall speed.
>
>Steep power off approaches to a short field are not the best technique
>unless you have to get in over an approach path obstruction. Fly a 2 - 3
>degree glide path (not a low angle dragged in approach) using power as
>necessary to maintain your target airspeed. Your engine didn't quit so
>far during the flight, and isn't likely to now. Nothing wrong with
>practicing steeper simulated engine out approaches, but as a standard
>approach, forget it - bad technique. Any flight instructor or
>professional pilot will tell you that. Don't be intimidated by the bomber
>approach crap. A stabilized power on approach will put you on the proper
>spot at the right speed every time.
>
>Dave Bigelow
>Kamuela, HI
>FS2, 503 DCDI
>20,000 + hours in the air in many types of a/c and counting
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: re: Kolb Kwit |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
| Does your 200 yard strip have hedges or other obstructions on the
approach?
| If you fly regularly from there that will keep your landings sharp.
| Calm waters do not make good sailors
|
| Cheers
|
| Pat
Patrick/All:
I taught myself to fly fixed wing off my 600 ft strip which has been
improved and stretched to 750 ft. That was 21 years ago, before the
days of brakes on my airplanes. With the luxury of brakes, I can fly
passengers in and out of my strip with ease.
I don't know about sailors Pat, but I do know that regular flying in
and out of confined areas, and my airstrip, will keep one in good
shape for the day when the engine quits.
Take care,
john h
MKIII
Titus, Alabama
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb Quit/Tail Post Problems |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
|
| Cheers
|
| Pat
Pat/Gang:
I take a lot of tranquilizers!!!
Seriously, fly the airplane.
john h
MIII
Titus, Alabama
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| Subject: | Re: 2SI Engines. |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Chuck Stonex" <cstonex@msn.com>
Denny;
You did not muddy any waters on my end. I am seriously looking at a 1989
Challenger II Clip wing with a 50 hp motor on it. Cuyuna is a good reason to
stay on the ground. This motor might be different. Thanks for the input.
Chuck
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Denny Rowe" <rowedl@highstream.net>
----- Original Message -----
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Chuck Stonex" <cstonex@msn.com>
>
> I have another major question. With out causing too much contriversy,
does
> any one have any experiance or knowledge of 2SI engines? I do know that
> according to he factory they will not support the engine if it is mounted
> on
> an airframe but it is still available for watercraft and snowmobiles and
> pumps. It is reliable and safe or is it like a Cuyuna. I am seriously
> looking at a Challenger II CW that has one on it with less that 100
hours.
> Chuck S
>
>
> Chuck,
I have the 690 engine on my Mk-3, only 70hrs as I have not flown this year
for personal reasons.
So far I am pretty happy with the 690 but have too little time on it to give
you a difinitive answer.
As this engine is unsupported by the manufacturer it does put you in a
compromised position.
Sorry for mudding up the water for you.
Denny Rowe, Mk-3, PA, Still in hanger building mode.
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
technique unless you have to get in over an approach path obstruction.
Fly a 2 - 3 degree glide path (not a low angle dragged in approach)
using power as necessary to maintain your target airspeed. Your
engine didn't quit so far during the flight, and isn't likely to now.
Nothing wrong with practicing steeper simulated engine out approaches,
but as a standard approach, forget it - bad technique. Any flight
instructor or professional pilot will tell you that. Don't be
intimidated by the bomber approach crap. A stabilized power on
approach will put you on the proper spot at the right speed every
time.
|
| Dave Bigelow
| Kamuela, HI
| FS2, 503 DCDI
| 20,000 + hours in the air in many types of a/c and counting
Morning Dave B/Gang:
What aircraft does the above advice apply to?
Normal approach for a Kolb is what "real airplane pilots" consider
"steep".
Normal take off angle in a Kolb is considered steep by "real airplane
pilots".
Getting into the practice of power off steep approaches will help
insure that you will end up at your desired touch down point if the
engine quits on final, which is one of the most frequent modes for
engine out in a two stroke powered Kolb.
Encouraging folks to fly Kolb approaches at 2-3 degrees will put them
in the briar patch when engine quits. It encourages them to use the
crutch of power to make their touch down point. When the crutch is
gone, it is back in the briar patch.
Do not want to start a controversy, but there are distinct differences
in flying a Kolb and flying a 747. Primarily, the Kolb does not have
auto pilot or four engines!
john h
MKIII
Titus, Alabama
Very limited experience in other types of airplanes.
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| Subject: | Re: re: Kolb Kwit |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: ray anderson <rsanoa@yahoo.com>
These exchanges bring back memories of learning to fly in 1935 on a 900 ft. dirt
strip. The owner and instructor keep his Waco C, Cessna AW, Staggerwing Beech
and a Curtis Jr. on it. I've seen all varieties of Waco's, Stinsons, an early
Ryan STA and misc. 1920's - 30's craft fly in and out. It did have a clear
approach on one end. Many of the aircraft had tail skids but no brakes, and all
pilots were skilled in that type of field, as most were of that type in the
1930's.
Do not archicve.
Kolb UltraStar, Tenn.
John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com> wrote:
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck"
| Does your 200 yard strip have hedges or other obstructions on the
approach?
| If you fly regularly from there that will keep your landings sharp.
| Calm waters do not make good sailors
|
| Cheers
|
| Pat
Patrick/All:
I taught myself to fly fixed wing off my 600 ft strip which has been
improved and stretched to 750 ft. That was 21 years ago, before the
days of brakes on my airplanes. With the luxury of brakes, I can fly
passengers in and out of my strip with ease.
I don't know about sailors Pat, but I do know that regular flying in
and out of confined areas, and my airstrip, will keep one in good
shape for the day when the engine quits.
Take care,
john h
MKIII
Titus, Alabama
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Charles Blackwell <wozani@optonline.net>
Wanted to pass on an interesting experience I had trying to sell my
Twinstar.
Yesterday I got a phone call from the manager of my closest
airport who I have been bothering for years to get a hangar rental. Seems
that someone had driven up to see my ultralight for sale, the manager was
confused because he doesn't have any ultralights there at the field and
wasn't sure about giving out my phone number to the guy. Kind of confused,
I told him I'd drive out to see who was there.
When I got to the local airport I found a nice elderly gentleman
in a BMW with Virginia plates. He talked a little confusedly about getting
screwed another time that he pre-arranged to see an ultralight and was
hoping to see mine. He had gotten my address off the Barnstormers web site
and assumed that the plane was at the local airport. Unfortunately he had
forgotten my phone number at home. He said he learned to fly in the navy
but lost his medical and wanted an ultralight. Still kind of strange to
drive the 4 hours to NJ on a Friday when I might have been at work still or
gone out. The advertisement said it is hangar kept, so he couldn't see it
without me and my key..
Being a nice guy desperate to sell his plane, I explained that
it was kept at an airport an hour and a half away and he could follow me
there and I'd be happy to show it to him. He said that he was happy with
the advertisement on the web site and that if it lived up to the description
he was willing to buy it that night. The other MkII that he liked was in
Minnesota and he wanted to visit the closest one first, great.
Long trip to the airport in evening traffic came next and then I
opened the hangar to show him the plane. He was interested in any fabric
damage from use and I showed him the few bits of hangar rash. Showed him
the repaired windshield next and that is when he offered that he hopes I am
not mad with him. Why would I be mad with him, I wondered out loud as I
looked for broken things around him and tried to remember if I heard fabric
ripping or aluminum bending? Well, he explained that he was interested in a
tandem plane and mine would not do. But, I pointed out that all MkII
Twinstars are side by side seating. Oh, he said kind of surprised. Then
what kind of Kolb was tandem seating?
A bit of explaining of the Kolb line-up ensued, the writing of
TNK's website followed, directions back to the Jersey Turnpike came next and
a wishing of a happy life came last as I watched him drive off. I then
promptly cursed, kicked the hangar door, and fumed my way to the pay phone
to explain to my wife why dinner would not be cooked that night, the grass
not cut and a few other things I had promised to do would be put off until
the weekend. An hour and a half drive home got me thinking of fuel
prices...
The advertisement shows two views of the cockpit, both with the
seating in view. Was this some kind of alien visitation, maybe a test of my
patience and kind heart by the creator, could it have been some new T.V.
show with hidden cameras, was someone somewhere playing a joke on me?
Still for sale is my MkII Twinstar (not tandem seating) 503 DCDI, 3 Blade
Ivoprop. Can be seen at:
http://www.barnstormers.com/listing.php?mode=usersearch
<http://www.barnstormers.com/listing.php?mode=usersearch&user=wozani@optonli
ne.net> &user=wozani@optonline.net
No jokes, hidden camera shows or divine tests welcome.
Charlie, MKII in NJ
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: russ kinne <kinnepix@earthlink.net>
Dave Bigelow
Sorry to disagree with you but you say "any instructor or professional
pilot will tell you" to do power-on approaches as the standard
procedure?? -- sorry, Dave, but no way. Not in small aircraft.
And a mind-set of "It hasn't quit yet so it probably won't" can get
you killed -- even in a Kolb.
That's bad, and dangerous, advice, IMHO.
Russ Kinne
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| Subject: | Re: selling my MkII |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
Thanks for the heads up Charlie. A reminder that tire kickers come in
all flavors. Best to get as much straight on the phone before doing
the tour.
Sounds to me he ought to stick with the BMW.
First off, according to LSA rules there is no such critter as a 2 place
ultralight, tandem or not. If he "lost" his medical he is also SOL
with LSA. Surprising how many in the flying community are still
in the dark about the situation. Laziness? Can't read? No curiosity?
Beats me.
-BB, do not archive
On 17, Sep 2005, at 3:01 PM, Charles Blackwell wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Charles Blackwell
> <wozani@optonline.net>
>
> Wanted to pass on an interesting experience I had trying to sell my
> Twinstar.
>
> Yesterday I got a phone call from the manager of my closest
> airport who I have been bothering for years to get a hangar rental.
> Seems
> that someone had driven up to see my ultralight for sale, the manager
> was
> confused because he doesn't have any ultralights there at the field and
> wasn't sure about giving out my phone number to the guy. Kind of
> confused,
> I told him I'd drive out to see who was there.
>
> When I got to the local airport I found a nice elderly
> gentleman
> in a BMW with Virginia plates. He talked a little confusedly about
> getting
> screwed another time that he pre-arranged to see an ultralight and was
> hoping to see mine. He had gotten my address off the Barnstormers web
> site
> and assumed that the plane was at the local airport. Unfortunately he
> had
> forgotten my phone number at home. He said he learned to fly in the
> navy
> but lost his medical and wanted an ultralight. Still kind of strange
> to
> drive the 4 hours to NJ on a Friday when I might have been at work
> still or
> gone out. The advertisement said it is hangar kept, so he couldn't
> see it
> without me and my key..
>
> Being a nice guy desperate to sell his plane, I explained
> that
> it was kept at an airport an hour and a half away and he could follow
> me
> there and I'd be happy to show it to him. He said that he was happy
> with
> the advertisement on the web site and that if it lived up to the
> description
> he was willing to buy it that night. The other MkII that he liked was
> in
> Minnesota and he wanted to visit the closest one first, great.
>
> Long trip to the airport in evening traffic came next and
> then I
> opened the hangar to show him the plane. He was interested in any
> fabric
> damage from use and I showed him the few bits of hangar rash. Showed
> him
> the repaired windshield next and that is when he offered that he hopes
> I am
> not mad with him. Why would I be mad with him, I wondered out loud as
> I
> looked for broken things around him and tried to remember if I heard
> fabric
> ripping or aluminum bending? Well, he explained that he was
> interested in a
> tandem plane and mine would not do. But, I pointed out that all MkII
> Twinstars are side by side seating. Oh, he said kind of surprised.
> Then
> what kind of Kolb was tandem seating?
>
> A bit of explaining of the Kolb line-up ensued, the
> writing of
> TNK's website followed, directions back to the Jersey Turnpike came
> next and
> a wishing of a happy life came last as I watched him drive off. I then
> promptly cursed, kicked the hangar door, and fumed my way to the pay
> phone
> to explain to my wife why dinner would not be cooked that night, the
> grass
> not cut and a few other things I had promised to do would be put off
> until
> the weekend. An hour and a half drive home got me thinking of fuel
> prices...
>
> The advertisement shows two views of the cockpit, both
> with the
> seating in view. Was this some kind of alien visitation, maybe a test
> of my
> patience and kind heart by the creator, could it have been some new
> T.V.
> show with hidden cameras, was someone somewhere playing a joke on me?
>
>
> Still for sale is my MkII Twinstar (not tandem seating) 503 DCDI, 3
> Blade
> Ivoprop. Can be seen at:
> http://www.barnstormers.com/listing.php?mode=usersearch
> <http://www.barnstormers.com/listing.php?
> mode=usersearch&user=wozani@optonli
> ne.net> &user=wozani@optonline.net
>
> No jokes, hidden camera shows or divine tests welcome.
>
>
> Charlie, MKII in NJ
>
>
> Do not archive
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Chuck Stonex" <cstonex@msn.com>
maybe, considering public safety, it is a good thing you did not sell it to
him. He might of hurt something, or him self.
Chuck S
Des Moines, IA
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Charles Blackwell <wozani@optonline.net>
Wanted to pass on an interesting experience I had trying to sell my
Twinstar.
Yesterday I got a phone call from the manager of my closest
airport who I have been bothering for years to get a hangar rental. Seems
that someone had driven up to see my ultralight for sale, the manager was
confused because he doesn't have any ultralights there at the field and
wasn't sure about giving out my phone number to the guy. Kind of confused,
I told him I'd drive out to see who was there.
When I got to the local airport I found a nice elderly
gentleman
in a BMW with Virginia plates. He talked a little confusedly about getting
screwed another time that he pre-arranged to see an ultralight and was
hoping to see mine. He had gotten my address off the Barnstormers web site
and assumed that the plane was at the local airport. Unfortunately he had
forgotten my phone number at home. He said he learned to fly in the navy
but lost his medical and wanted an ultralight. Still kind of strange to
drive the 4 hours to NJ on a Friday when I might have been at work still or
gone out. The advertisement said it is hangar kept, so he couldn't see it
without me and my key..
Being a nice guy desperate to sell his plane, I explained that
it was kept at an airport an hour and a half away and he could follow me
there and I'd be happy to show it to him. He said that he was happy with
the advertisement on the web site and that if it lived up to the description
he was willing to buy it that night. The other MkII that he liked was in
Minnesota and he wanted to visit the closest one first, great.
Long trip to the airport in evening traffic came next and then
I
opened the hangar to show him the plane. He was interested in any fabric
damage from use and I showed him the few bits of hangar rash. Showed him
the repaired windshield next and that is when he offered that he hopes I am
not mad with him. Why would I be mad with him, I wondered out loud as I
looked for broken things around him and tried to remember if I heard fabric
ripping or aluminum bending? Well, he explained that he was interested in a
tandem plane and mine would not do. But, I pointed out that all MkII
Twinstars are side by side seating. Oh, he said kind of surprised. Then
what kind of Kolb was tandem seating?
A bit of explaining of the Kolb line-up ensued, the writing of
TNK's website followed, directions back to the Jersey Turnpike came next and
a wishing of a happy life came last as I watched him drive off. I then
promptly cursed, kicked the hangar door, and fumed my way to the pay phone
to explain to my wife why dinner would not be cooked that night, the grass
not cut and a few other things I had promised to do would be put off until
the weekend. An hour and a half drive home got me thinking of fuel
prices...
The advertisement shows two views of the cockpit, both with the
seating in view. Was this some kind of alien visitation, maybe a test of my
patience and kind heart by the creator, could it have been some new T.V.
show with hidden cameras, was someone somewhere playing a joke on me?
Still for sale is my MkII Twinstar (not tandem seating) 503 DCDI, 3 Blade
Ivoprop. Can be seen at:
http://www.barnstormers.com/listing.php?mode=usersearch
<http://www.barnstormers.com/listing.php?mode=usersearch&user=wozani@optonli
ne.net> &user=wozani@optonline.net
No jokes, hidden camera shows or divine tests welcome.
Charlie, MKII in NJ
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: re: Kolb Kwit |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "PATRICK LADD" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
taught myself to fly fixed wing off my 600 ft strip.>>
My hat off to you John.
Pat
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "PATRICK LADD" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
power-on approaches as the standard procedure?? >>
Hi Russ,
I was going to stay out of this one but seeing that you brought it up I
wasn`t too happy with that advice either.
Do your circuit so that you can make the field if the engine quits is my
motto.
Perhaps that ain`t so in the big stuff where engines don`t fail in millions
of hours, but in our planes Uh huh!
Come to that I didn`t like the `nail the speed with the power`. I was taught
Attitude (and therefore speed) with the stick, Altitude with the throttle.
If your selected landing point is crawling UP the windscreen you open the
throttle NOT pull the stick back
Now I am going to run for cover.
Cheers
Pat
(The arguement which is bound to follow may be worth archiving?)
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| Subject: | Re: re: Kolb Kwit |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
|
| Pat
Patrick/Gang:
Thanks, but no thanks. It was a stupid thing to do on my part, even
though I had a stack of "stick and rudder" flying books copyrighted
from the 20's and 30's. I had no problem flying the Ultrastar with
the "book learning" and my back ground flying rotary wing aircraft.
My problem was trying to put that little airplane back in that postage
stamp airstrip, never having flown or landed a fixed wing airplane.
Had I gotten a few hours dual, I would have been much better equipped
to fly and land.
Second landing was a piece of cake though. ;-)
I think I could land better back then than I do now. Probably was a
lot more serious about doing an "A" ride for my landings.
jlhn h
MKIII/Ultrastar/Firestar
Titus, Alabama
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| Subject: | Tail Post Bracing |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Hi Folks:
Here's a shot of my tail post bracing:
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/Hauck's%20Stuff/Kolb%20Stuff/Crop01.JPG
Here's a shot of Gary Haley's tail post bracing. Gary did his after
he found out about mine. It worked out well for him because he had
alread gotten his fabric and paint done. His method allows for
installation without screwing up paint and fabric. Mine are welded.
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/Hauck's%20Stuff/Kolb%20Stuff/crop02.JPG
Take care,
john h
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| Subject: | Re: Tail Post Bracing |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kirk Smith" <snuffy@usol.com>
Is Gary's brace aluminum?
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| Subject: | Re: Tail Post Bracing |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Snuff:
Yes.
Mine braces in tension and compression. Gary's in tension only.
john h
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| Subject: | Ready for the home coming |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: ElleryWeld@aol.com
I am all set to head to the home coming if the rain will ever stop.
Here is a list of my stops if anyone is near one of these let me know if
you are planing on going and we can get together and fly down
I plan on leaving on 9/20 tuesday morning if the weather cuts me loose
start from: KBGR
2nd KIZG
3rd 5B2
4th N23
5th KLHV
6th 7SP
7th 14P
8th KJKL
LAST STOP 3KY2
Ellery in Maine in a Original Firestar
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
|
| Ellery in Maine in a Original Firestar
Hi Ellery/Gang:
My hat is off to you.
Hope the weather cooperates and you have a great flight to the Kolb
Homecoming.
Sorry I was not able to come up with Homer Kolb's GPS coordinates.
You can pull them from the New York Sectional if you still want to go
by his place. His airstrip is on the sectional and is named Kolb,
south of Pottstown-Limerick Airport. Not far from the big nuclear
power plant cooling towers.
Good luck friend,
john h
MKIII
Titus, Alabama
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| Subject: | Re: 2SI Engines. |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Denny Rowe" <rowedl@highstream.net>
Chuck,
I would pass on a 50 hp 2SI powered two seat Challenger, especially with the
clipped wing.
That must be the 460L engine that is a little under 50 horses.
I would want at least a 503 dual carb on that bird.
Denny
do not archive
PS: How about the Mk-2 with the new 503 someone is selling on the list and
barnstormers? That is a bird that performs Great on a 503. Kind of like a
Firestar II with room for a REAL passenger. :-) I think I heard it has the
3.47 to 1 C gearbox, if so that is as good as it gets with a Mk-2 or
Firestar II.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chuck Stonex" <cstonex@msn.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: 2SI Engines.
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Chuck Stonex" <cstonex@msn.com>
>
> Denny;
> You did not muddy any waters on my end. I am seriously looking at a 1989
> Challenger II Clip wing with a 50 hp motor on it. Cuyuna is a good reason
> to
> stay on the ground. This motor might be different. Thanks for the input.
> Chuck
>
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Denny Rowe" <rowedl@highstream.net>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
>
> > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Chuck Stonex" <cstonex@msn.com>
> >
> > I have another major question. With out causing too much contriversy,
> does
> > any one have any experiance or knowledge of 2SI engines? I do know that
> > according to he factory they will not support the engine if it is
> > mounted
> > on
> > an airframe but it is still available for watercraft and snowmobiles and
> > pumps. It is reliable and safe or is it like a Cuyuna. I am seriously
> > looking at a Challenger II CW that has one on it with less that 100
> hours.
> > Chuck S
> >
> >
> > Chuck,
> I have the 690 engine on my Mk-3, only 70hrs as I have not flown this year
> for personal reasons.
> So far I am pretty happy with the 690 but have too little time on it to
> give
> you a difinitive answer.
> As this engine is unsupported by the manufacturer it does put you in a
> compromised position.
> Sorry for mudding up the water for you.
>
> Denny Rowe, Mk-3, PA, Still in hanger building mode.
>
>
> --
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Ready for the home coming |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: ElleryWeld@aol.com
Great I will look him up and make plans to stop and meet him
Thanks John H
Ellery in Maine
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| Subject: | Re: Ready for the home coming |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Denny Rowe" <rowedl@highstream.net>
Ellery,
I don't recognize any of those identifiers, but if you happen to pass
through western PA, 30 to 40 miles north of Pittsburgh, drop in on McVille
P-37 and give me a call in advance. If I can help you out with auto fuel
I'll be glad to, and also McVille has the cheapest 100ll in our area.
Denny Rowe Mk-3 Home phone 724-845-1431, cell 724-882-6788, wifes cell
724-882-2751
Good luck and enjoy!
----- Original Message -----
From: <ElleryWeld@aol.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: Ready for the home coming
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: ElleryWeld@aol.com
>
> I am all set to head to the home coming if the rain will ever stop.
> Here is a list of my stops if anyone is near one of these let me know if
> you are planing on going and we can get together and fly down
> I plan on leaving on 9/20 tuesday morning if the weather cuts me loose
> start from: KBGR
> 2nd KIZG
> 3rd 5B2
> 4th N23
> 5th KLHV
> 6th 7SP
> 7th 14P
> 8th KJKL
> LAST STOP 3KY2
>
> Ellery in Maine in a Original Firestar
> do not archive
>
>
> --
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Tail Post Bracing |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Great idea, John and Gary. If the new seal - due in on Monday - does the
job, this'll be a "must do." Thanks. Lar.
Do not Archive.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Building Kolb Mk III
N78LB Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: Tail Post Bracing
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
>
> Hi Folks:
>
> Here's a shot of my tail post bracing:
>
> http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/Hauck's%20Stuff/Kolb%20Stuff/Crop01.JPG
>
> Here's a shot of Gary Haley's tail post bracing. Gary did his after
> he found out about mine. It worked out well for him because he had
> alread gotten his fabric and paint done. His method allows for
> installation without screwing up paint and fabric. Mine are welded.
>
> http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/Hauck's%20Stuff/Kolb%20Stuff/crop02.JPG
>
> Take care,
>
> john h
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Tail Post Bracing |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Mike Pierzina <planecrazzzy@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Tail Post BracingFrom: John Hauck (jhauck@elmore.rr.com)Date:
Sat Sep 17 - 5:54 PM
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>Snuff:Yes.
Mine braces in tension and compression. Gary's in tension only.john h
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>..
Hey John / Guys,
Gary's braces would also work in compresstion if he would replace
the alum "Flat Bar" to some kind of tubing.....maybe some "high dollar" chromoly
streamline tubing.....even regular chromoly tubing would work....
Gotta Fly...
Mike in MN
Do not archive <----- If it's not SPELLED right....it doesn't work
My Web Site:
http://www.geocities.com/planecrazzzy/Planecrazzzy.html
Sometimes you just have to take the leap and build your wings on the way down...
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| Subject: | Re: 2SI Engines. |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Chuck Stonex" <cstonex@msn.com>
Denny
I started to buy a M-III till someone else got it before me. I am
considering a Firestar. I do want a 2 seater. I do not want to settle for
"just anything" and then try to find another one later. I saw 2 low time
503's for sale for about $2500. One came off of a Challenger and has a tall
drive. I thought maybe I would pick one of them up to replace the 2si. BUT
it is still a 1989 air frame but it only has 100hrs on it. If I can get it
cheap enough I can make it work.
Chuck S
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Denny Rowe" <rowedl@highstream.net>
Chuck,
I would pass on a 50 hp 2SI powered two seat Challenger, especially with the
clipped wing.
That must be the 460L engine that is a little under 50 horses.
I would want at least a 503 dual carb on that bird.
Denny
do not archive
PS: How about the Mk-2 with the new 503 someone is selling on the list and
barnstormers? That is a bird that performs Great on a 503. Kind of like a
Firestar II with room for a REAL passenger. :-) I think I heard it has the
3.47 to 1 C gearbox, if so that is as good as it gets with a Mk-2 or
Firestar II.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chuck Stonex" <cstonex@msn.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: 2SI Engines.
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Chuck Stonex" <cstonex@msn.com>
>
> Denny;
> You did not muddy any waters on my end. I am seriously looking at a 1989
> Challenger II Clip wing with a 50 hp motor on it. Cuyuna is a good reason
> to
> stay on the ground. This motor might be different. Thanks for the input.
> Chuck
>
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Denny Rowe" <rowedl@highstream.net>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
>
> > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Chuck Stonex" <cstonex@msn.com>
> >
> > I have another major question. With out causing too much contriversy,
> does
> > any one have any experiance or knowledge of 2SI engines? I do know that
> > according to he factory they will not support the engine if it is
> > mounted
> > on
> > an airframe but it is still available for watercraft and snowmobiles
and
> > pumps. It is reliable and safe or is it like a Cuyuna. I am seriously
> > looking at a Challenger II CW that has one on it with less that 100
> hours.
> > Chuck S
> >
> >
> > Chuck,
> I have the 690 engine on my Mk-3, only 70hrs as I have not flown this
year
> for personal reasons.
> So far I am pretty happy with the 690 but have too little time on it to
> give
> you a difinitive answer.
> As this engine is unsupported by the manufacturer it does put you in a
> compromised position.
> Sorry for mudding up the water for you.
>
> Denny Rowe, Mk-3, PA, Still in hanger building mode.
>
>
> --
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Tail Post Bracing |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org>
Sweet. I think that would work on mine, & since my tail wheel is not full
swivel, I probably need it. Best of all, I think the local hobby shop has
some streamline aluminum tubing that would work just fine.
http://www.hobbylinc.com/htm/k+s/k+s1104.htm
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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At 07:07 PM 9/17/05 -0500, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
>
>Hi Folks:
>
>Here's a shot of my tail post bracing:
>
>http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/Hauck's%20Stuff/Kolb%20Stuff/Crop01.JPG
>
>Here's a shot of Gary Haley's tail post bracing. Gary did his after
>he found out about mine. It worked out well for him because he had
>alread gotten his fabric and paint done. His method allows for
>installation without screwing up paint and fabric. Mine are welded.
>
>http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/Hauck's%20Stuff/Kolb%20Stuff/crop02.JPG
>
>Take care,
>
>john h
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Ready for the home coming |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org>
Here is Homer's field according to airnav.com
http://www.airnav.com/airport/43PA
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
At 08:21 PM 9/17/05 -0500, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
>
> | I am all set to head to the home coming if the rain will ever stop.
> |
>| Ellery in Maine in a Original Firestar
>
>Hi Ellery/Gang:
>
>My hat is off to you.
>
>Hope the weather cooperates and you have a great flight to the Kolb
>Homecoming.
>
>Sorry I was not able to come up with Homer Kolb's GPS coordinates.
>You can pull them from the New York Sectional if you still want to go
>by his place. His airstrip is on the sectional and is named Kolb,
>south of Pottstown-Limerick Airport. Not far from the big nuclear
>power plant cooling towers.
>
>Good luck friend,
>
>john h
>MKIII
>Titus, Alabama
>
>DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
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| Subject: | More History - Trailer for sale |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dennis Souder" <flykolb@pa.net>
I wrote this recently to a friend:
Kolb's very first customer was a local VW mechanic who dismayed us big-time
by threatening to put a VW into his Kolb Flyer!. The empty weight of a
standard Flyer was at that time 155 lb. with 2 Chrysler engines. And he
wanted to put a VW in this! I went over one day and he had the cage cut and
modified and sure enough there was a 1200 CC VW with a Flyer cage molded
around it. He did good work - it looked very nice. I am almost sorry to
say that we talked him out of it and he replaced it with ... are you ready
for this: (... to be continued)
If I told an interesting story, I figured you wouldn't mind so much if I
mentioned about a trailer I have for sale. It was used for hauling and
storing a FireStar for about a year. It has sat inside my storage builidng
for 6 years and after not having used it for 6 years, I figured it is time
to move it on. It is a commercially manufactured tandem axle trailer 22'
5" long on the inside and the opening at the rear doors is 76-7/8" wide and
78" high. It comes with a bracket for mounting the rear of the fuselage
tube and has wheel chocks and a pair of fold out ramps. It is a 1998
trailer, but at most it has 2,500 miles on it and it looks almost like new.
Trailer has a 7,000 GW. Trailer is the usual white aluminum skin. If
interested, let me know and I can email some photos.
It had 4 Chrysler West Bend engines ... all in a row. I actually had the
opportunity to fly the beast. It had 4 little throttle controls and pushing
and pushing on those tiny little levers pretty kept me full time type busy!
Busy trying to keep the engines from talking to each other ... keeping the
rpms far enough apart to avoid the droning that occurs when two or more
engine hit the same speed. Sounded like a swarm of maddened hornets. It
was a real drill starting it too. The lengthened engine mounting tube, as
you might guess, could move around quite a bit, so you had to be careful
pulling on the recoil.
Price of trailer $3,200 or best offer. Located in central PA.
Hope you enjoyed the story and didn't mind the ad.
Dennis
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| Subject: | Re: Tail Post Bracing |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
I wonder if aluminum is a good choice ?? I don't think compression is a
real factor, since one side or the other will always be in tension. Seems
to me that steel strap would be stronger, less apt to fatigue, and would be
moderately streamlined. Hmmm...........?? Lar.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Building Kolb Mk III
N78LB Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Pike" <richard@bcchapel.org>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Tail Post Bracing
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org>
>
> Sweet. I think that would work on mine, & since my tail wheel is not full
> swivel, I probably need it. Best of all, I think the local hobby shop has
> some streamline aluminum tubing that would work just fine.
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