---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 09/17/05: 35 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:15 AM - Re: Re: Kolb Kwit (PATRICK LADD) 2. 02:34 AM - Re: Kolb Quit/Tail Post Problems (PATRICK LADD) 3. 02:37 AM - Kolb Kwit (David L. Bigelow) 4. 06:59 AM - Re: Cool Wire (N27SB@aol.com) 5. 06:59 AM - Right here Woody (Kirk Smith) 6. 07:15 AM - 2SI Engines. (Chuck Stonex) 7. 07:30 AM - Re: 2SI Engines. (Denny Rowe) 8. 07:37 AM - Re: Kolb Kwit (Richard Pike) 9. 07:37 AM - Re: Re: Kolb Kwit (John Hauck) 10. 07:39 AM - Re: Kolb Quit/Tail Post Problems (John Hauck) 11. 07:50 AM - Re: 2SI Engines. (Chuck Stonex) 12. 08:23 AM - Re: Kolb Kwit (John Hauck) 13. 08:31 AM - Re: Re: Kolb Kwit (ray anderson) 14. 12:02 PM - selling my MkII (Charles Blackwell) 15. 12:49 PM - q (russ kinne) 16. 12:50 PM - Re: selling my MkII (robert bean) 17. 12:58 PM - Re: selling my MkII (Chuck Stonex) 18. 01:02 PM - Re: Re: Kolb Kwit (PATRICK LADD) 19. 01:22 PM - Re: q (PATRICK LADD) 20. 01:39 PM - Re: Re: Kolb Kwit (John Hauck) 21. 05:08 PM - Tail Post Bracing (John Hauck) 22. 05:35 PM - Re: Tail Post Bracing (Kirk Smith) 23. 05:54 PM - Re: Tail Post Bracing (John Hauck) 24. 06:06 PM - Ready for the home coming (ElleryWeld@aol.com) 25. 06:21 PM - Re: Ready for the home coming (John Hauck) 26. 06:26 PM - Re: 2SI Engines. (Denny Rowe) 27. 06:31 PM - Re: Ready for the home coming (ElleryWeld@aol.com) 28. 06:36 PM - Re: Ready for the home coming (Denny Rowe) 29. 06:37 PM - Re: Tail Post Bracing (Larry Bourne) 30. 06:48 PM - Re: Tail Post Bracing (Mike Pierzina) 31. 06:55 PM - Re: 2SI Engines. (Chuck Stonex) 32. 08:03 PM - Re: Tail Post Bracing (Richard Pike) 33. 08:06 PM - Re: Ready for the home coming (Richard Pike) 34. 09:30 PM - More History - Trailer for sale (Dennis Souder) 35. 09:49 PM - Re: Tail Post Bracing (Larry Bourne) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:15:35 AM PST US From: "PATRICK LADD" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: re: Kolb Kwit --> Kolb-List message posted by: "PATRICK LADD" fly it to the ground, push the stick forward to hold it there until it qets below flying speed >> Thanks John, that sounds workable. Does your 200 yard strip have hedges or other obstructions on the approach? If you fly regularly from there that will keep your landings sharp. Calm waters do not make good sailors Cheers Pat do not archive ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 02:34:00 AM PST US From: "PATRICK LADD" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Kolb Quit/Tail Post Problems --> Kolb-List message posted by: "PATRICK LADD" If you do balloon on landing, as I do quite frequently, push the nose down and come in with a little power to cushion back on the ground.>> Hi John, now that is interesting as it is the exact opposite to anything I did when flying the Thruster. That was the last taildragger I flew before going tricycle u/c with the Challenger. I well remember a good bounce while I was with an instructor during conversion from gliders to ultralights. Finding myself nose high ,with falling airspeed, I did automatically what any pilot would do. I stuffed the nose down. The bone shattering crunch with which I arrived on the tarmac had the instructor out of the cockpit inspecting the u/c in nothing flat. The next time I bounced I gave it a burst of throttle and KEPT THE STICK BACK. She settled like thistledown. I guess it just depends on the height of the bounce. I have always landed the Challenger nose high to keep the weak front wheel strut off the ground until. the speed drops. If it bounces I keep the stick back abd the plane takes care of itself. How do other people cope? Cheers Pat do not archive ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 02:37:59 AM PST US From: "David L. Bigelow" Subject: Kolb-List: Kolb Kwit --> Kolb-List message posted by: "David L. Bigelow" Keep the airspeed up on final or you'll run out of flare energy and plant the aircraft - all good advice! The Kolb family (along with most other ultralights) are draggy airplanes that do not tend to float well in ground effect when compared to other more aerodynamically clean aircraft. A good rule of thumb for approach speed in ultralights and sailplanes is 1.5 times the stall speed in smooth air. Add 1/2 the wind plus the gust factor up to a maximum of twice the stall speed. Steep power off approaches to a short field are not the best technique unless you have to get in over an approach path obstruction. Fly a 2 - 3 degree glide path (not a low angle dragged in approach) using power as necessary to maintain your target airspeed. Your engine didn't quit so far during the flight, and isn't likely to now. Nothing wrong with practicing steeper simulated engine out approaches, but as a standard approach, forget it - bad technique. Any flight instructor or professional pilot will tell you that. Don't be intimidated by the bomber approach crap. A stabilized power on approach will put you on the proper spot at the right speed every time. Dave Bigelow Kamuela, HI FS2, 503 DCDI 20,000 + hours in the air in many types of a/c and counting ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:59:30 AM PST US From: N27SB@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Cool Wire --> Kolb-List message posted by: N27SB@aol.com In a message dated 9/16/2005 10:40:57 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, lgreen1@sc.rr.com writes: if your connecting to any sensitive instruments only ground the shield on one end to prevent electrical noise. Bryan Green Do not archive Thanks Bryan, I agree, but in this case I am using basic Westach stuff and it seems to be very resistant to noise. Once again, the luxury of Real Ultralight is simplicity. steve do not archive ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:59:58 AM PST US From: "Kirk Smith" Subject: Kolb-List: Right here Woody --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kirk Smith" http://www.nessaaircraft.net/farmFrame1Source1.htm Do not archive ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:15:38 AM PST US From: "Chuck Stonex" Subject: Kolb-List: 2SI Engines. --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Chuck Stonex" I have another major question. With out causing too much contriversy, does any one have any experiance or knowledge of 2SI engines? I do know that according to he factory they will not support the engine if it is mounted on an airframe but it is still available for watercraft and snowmobiles and pumps. It is reliable and safe or is it like a Cuyuna. I am seriously looking at a Challenger II CW that has one on it with less that 100 hours. Chuck S ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:30:48 AM PST US From: "Denny Rowe" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: 2SI Engines. --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Denny Rowe" ----- Original Message ----- > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Chuck Stonex" > > I have another major question. With out causing too much contriversy, does > any one have any experiance or knowledge of 2SI engines? I do know that > according to he factory they will not support the engine if it is mounted > on > an airframe but it is still available for watercraft and snowmobiles and > pumps. It is reliable and safe or is it like a Cuyuna. I am seriously > looking at a Challenger II CW that has one on it with less that 100 hours. > Chuck S > > > Chuck, I have the 690 engine on my Mk-3, only 70hrs as I have not flown this year for personal reasons. So far I am pretty happy with the 690 but have too little time on it to give you a difinitive answer. As this engine is unsupported by the manufacturer it does put you in a compromised position. Sorry for mudding up the water for you. Denny Rowe, Mk-3, PA, Still in hanger building mode. ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:37:45 AM PST US From: Richard Pike Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Kolb Kwit --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike Good advice - and now for the part about approaches over a steep obstruction. I have a string of those big high tensions towers and lines about 1,000' out from touchdown, and it is mandatory to lose 400' vertical across 1,000' horizontal. (The power towers sit on ridges, and my touchdown point is at the base of a small rise) Since a go around is unadvisable, it needs to work right every time. Here is how I do it - Stabilize the airspeed about 1/4 mile from the obstruction with however much flaps you plan to use. My MKIII has six flap positions, max is about 35 degrees, and that is what I use. My minimum approach speed with vortex generators is 45, but the MKIII with flaps will slow down so quickly that 55 is a more comfortable speed. I stabilize the approach to cross the power tower with at least 30' of altitude - 50' when it is turbulent. (No point in being a media event - or a Krispy Kritter). As soon as I cross the obstruction, I go to idle but keep the same airspeed. I sometimes need a shot of power on short final to make it pretty, but I plan for idle all the way to touchdown. If the engine quits - the MKIII glides much better dead stick than when it is at idle. On a MKIII, you can use the flap handle to control glidepath almost like spoilers on a sailplane. Less flaps - flatter glide. More flaps - steeper glide. On the expensive occasion when the spiderweb plugged up my oil tank line, I learned this bit of trivia under pressure, I'm sure it would be less distracting to practice it without a whimpering passenger.... And to paraphrase friend Dave below - a stabilized power off approach will also put you on the proper spot at the right speed every time. Once your approach is stabilized, look at the touchdown point through the wind screen, what is it doing? Moving up, or moving down? Plan accordingly, it's simple, and it's consistent. I only have about 1,500 hours, but most of them are going in and out of this same 750' long, highly obstructed airstrip. Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) At 11:37 PM 9/16/05 -1000, you wrote: >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "David L. Bigelow" > > >Keep the airspeed up on final or you'll run out of flare energy and plant >the aircraft - all good advice! The Kolb family (along with most other >ultralights) are draggy airplanes that do not tend to float well in ground >effect when compared to other more aerodynamically clean aircraft. > > A good rule of thumb for approach speed in ultralights and sailplanes is > 1.5 times the stall speed in smooth air. Add 1/2 the wind plus the gust > factor up to a maximum of twice the stall speed. > >Steep power off approaches to a short field are not the best technique >unless you have to get in over an approach path obstruction. Fly a 2 - 3 >degree glide path (not a low angle dragged in approach) using power as >necessary to maintain your target airspeed. Your engine didn't quit so >far during the flight, and isn't likely to now. Nothing wrong with >practicing steeper simulated engine out approaches, but as a standard >approach, forget it - bad technique. Any flight instructor or >professional pilot will tell you that. Don't be intimidated by the bomber >approach crap. A stabilized power on approach will put you on the proper >spot at the right speed every time. > >Dave Bigelow >Kamuela, HI >FS2, 503 DCDI >20,000 + hours in the air in many types of a/c and counting > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:37:45 AM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: re: Kolb Kwit --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" | Does your 200 yard strip have hedges or other obstructions on the approach? | If you fly regularly from there that will keep your landings sharp. | Calm waters do not make good sailors | | Cheers | | Pat Patrick/All: I taught myself to fly fixed wing off my 600 ft strip which has been improved and stretched to 750 ft. That was 21 years ago, before the days of brakes on my airplanes. With the luxury of brakes, I can fly passengers in and out of my strip with ease. I don't know about sailors Pat, but I do know that regular flying in and out of confined areas, and my airstrip, will keep one in good shape for the day when the engine quits. Take care, john h MKIII Titus, Alabama ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 07:39:24 AM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Kolb Quit/Tail Post Problems --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" | | Cheers | | Pat Pat/Gang: I take a lot of tranquilizers!!! Seriously, fly the airplane. john h MIII Titus, Alabama ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 07:50:18 AM PST US From: "Chuck Stonex" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: 2SI Engines. --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Chuck Stonex" Denny; You did not muddy any waters on my end. I am seriously looking at a 1989 Challenger II Clip wing with a 50 hp motor on it. Cuyuna is a good reason to stay on the ground. This motor might be different. Thanks for the input. Chuck --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Denny Rowe" ----- Original Message ----- > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Chuck Stonex" > > I have another major question. With out causing too much contriversy, does > any one have any experiance or knowledge of 2SI engines? I do know that > according to he factory they will not support the engine if it is mounted > on > an airframe but it is still available for watercraft and snowmobiles and > pumps. It is reliable and safe or is it like a Cuyuna. I am seriously > looking at a Challenger II CW that has one on it with less that 100 hours. > Chuck S > > > Chuck, I have the 690 engine on my Mk-3, only 70hrs as I have not flown this year for personal reasons. So far I am pretty happy with the 690 but have too little time on it to give you a difinitive answer. As this engine is unsupported by the manufacturer it does put you in a compromised position. Sorry for mudding up the water for you. Denny Rowe, Mk-3, PA, Still in hanger building mode. ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 08:23:04 AM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Kolb Kwit --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" technique unless you have to get in over an approach path obstruction. Fly a 2 - 3 degree glide path (not a low angle dragged in approach) using power as necessary to maintain your target airspeed. Your engine didn't quit so far during the flight, and isn't likely to now. Nothing wrong with practicing steeper simulated engine out approaches, but as a standard approach, forget it - bad technique. Any flight instructor or professional pilot will tell you that. Don't be intimidated by the bomber approach crap. A stabilized power on approach will put you on the proper spot at the right speed every time. | | Dave Bigelow | Kamuela, HI | FS2, 503 DCDI | 20,000 + hours in the air in many types of a/c and counting Morning Dave B/Gang: What aircraft does the above advice apply to? Normal approach for a Kolb is what "real airplane pilots" consider "steep". Normal take off angle in a Kolb is considered steep by "real airplane pilots". Getting into the practice of power off steep approaches will help insure that you will end up at your desired touch down point if the engine quits on final, which is one of the most frequent modes for engine out in a two stroke powered Kolb. Encouraging folks to fly Kolb approaches at 2-3 degrees will put them in the briar patch when engine quits. It encourages them to use the crutch of power to make their touch down point. When the crutch is gone, it is back in the briar patch. Do not want to start a controversy, but there are distinct differences in flying a Kolb and flying a 747. Primarily, the Kolb does not have auto pilot or four engines! john h MKIII Titus, Alabama Very limited experience in other types of airplanes. ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 08:31:46 AM PST US From: ray anderson Subject: Re: Kolb-List: re: Kolb Kwit --> Kolb-List message posted by: ray anderson These exchanges bring back memories of learning to fly in 1935 on a 900 ft. dirt strip. The owner and instructor keep his Waco C, Cessna AW, Staggerwing Beech and a Curtis Jr. on it. I've seen all varieties of Waco's, Stinsons, an early Ryan STA and misc. 1920's - 30's craft fly in and out. It did have a clear approach on one end. Many of the aircraft had tail skids but no brakes, and all pilots were skilled in that type of field, as most were of that type in the 1930's. Do not archicve. Kolb UltraStar, Tenn. John Hauck wrote: --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" | Does your 200 yard strip have hedges or other obstructions on the approach? | If you fly regularly from there that will keep your landings sharp. | Calm waters do not make good sailors | | Cheers | | Pat Patrick/All: I taught myself to fly fixed wing off my 600 ft strip which has been improved and stretched to 750 ft. That was 21 years ago, before the days of brakes on my airplanes. With the luxury of brakes, I can fly passengers in and out of my strip with ease. I don't know about sailors Pat, but I do know that regular flying in and out of confined areas, and my airstrip, will keep one in good shape for the day when the engine quits. Take care, john h MKIII Titus, Alabama --------------------------------- Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 12:02:11 PM PST US From: Charles Blackwell Subject: Kolb-List: selling my MkII --> Kolb-List message posted by: Charles Blackwell Wanted to pass on an interesting experience I had trying to sell my Twinstar. Yesterday I got a phone call from the manager of my closest airport who I have been bothering for years to get a hangar rental. Seems that someone had driven up to see my ultralight for sale, the manager was confused because he doesn't have any ultralights there at the field and wasn't sure about giving out my phone number to the guy. Kind of confused, I told him I'd drive out to see who was there. When I got to the local airport I found a nice elderly gentleman in a BMW with Virginia plates. He talked a little confusedly about getting screwed another time that he pre-arranged to see an ultralight and was hoping to see mine. He had gotten my address off the Barnstormers web site and assumed that the plane was at the local airport. Unfortunately he had forgotten my phone number at home. He said he learned to fly in the navy but lost his medical and wanted an ultralight. Still kind of strange to drive the 4 hours to NJ on a Friday when I might have been at work still or gone out. The advertisement said it is hangar kept, so he couldn't see it without me and my key.. Being a nice guy desperate to sell his plane, I explained that it was kept at an airport an hour and a half away and he could follow me there and I'd be happy to show it to him. He said that he was happy with the advertisement on the web site and that if it lived up to the description he was willing to buy it that night. The other MkII that he liked was in Minnesota and he wanted to visit the closest one first, great. Long trip to the airport in evening traffic came next and then I opened the hangar to show him the plane. He was interested in any fabric damage from use and I showed him the few bits of hangar rash. Showed him the repaired windshield next and that is when he offered that he hopes I am not mad with him. Why would I be mad with him, I wondered out loud as I looked for broken things around him and tried to remember if I heard fabric ripping or aluminum bending? Well, he explained that he was interested in a tandem plane and mine would not do. But, I pointed out that all MkII Twinstars are side by side seating. Oh, he said kind of surprised. Then what kind of Kolb was tandem seating? A bit of explaining of the Kolb line-up ensued, the writing of TNK's website followed, directions back to the Jersey Turnpike came next and a wishing of a happy life came last as I watched him drive off. I then promptly cursed, kicked the hangar door, and fumed my way to the pay phone to explain to my wife why dinner would not be cooked that night, the grass not cut and a few other things I had promised to do would be put off until the weekend. An hour and a half drive home got me thinking of fuel prices... The advertisement shows two views of the cockpit, both with the seating in view. Was this some kind of alien visitation, maybe a test of my patience and kind heart by the creator, could it have been some new T.V. show with hidden cameras, was someone somewhere playing a joke on me? Still for sale is my MkII Twinstar (not tandem seating) 503 DCDI, 3 Blade Ivoprop. Can be seen at: http://www.barnstormers.com/listing.php?mode=usersearch &user=wozani@optonline.net No jokes, hidden camera shows or divine tests welcome. Charlie, MKII in NJ Do not archive ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 12:49:50 PM PST US From: russ kinne Subject: Kolb-List: q --> Kolb-List message posted by: russ kinne Dave Bigelow Sorry to disagree with you but you say "any instructor or professional pilot will tell you" to do power-on approaches as the standard procedure?? -- sorry, Dave, but no way. Not in small aircraft. And a mind-set of "It hasn't quit yet so it probably won't" can get you killed -- even in a Kolb. That's bad, and dangerous, advice, IMHO. Russ Kinne do not archive ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 12:50:31 PM PST US From: robert bean Subject: Re: Kolb-List: selling my MkII --> Kolb-List message posted by: robert bean Thanks for the heads up Charlie. A reminder that tire kickers come in all flavors. Best to get as much straight on the phone before doing the tour. Sounds to me he ought to stick with the BMW. First off, according to LSA rules there is no such critter as a 2 place ultralight, tandem or not. If he "lost" his medical he is also SOL with LSA. Surprising how many in the flying community are still in the dark about the situation. Laziness? Can't read? No curiosity? Beats me. -BB, do not archive On 17, Sep 2005, at 3:01 PM, Charles Blackwell wrote: > --> Kolb-List message posted by: Charles Blackwell > > > Wanted to pass on an interesting experience I had trying to sell my > Twinstar. > > Yesterday I got a phone call from the manager of my closest > airport who I have been bothering for years to get a hangar rental. > Seems > that someone had driven up to see my ultralight for sale, the manager > was > confused because he doesn't have any ultralights there at the field and > wasn't sure about giving out my phone number to the guy. Kind of > confused, > I told him I'd drive out to see who was there. > > When I got to the local airport I found a nice elderly > gentleman > in a BMW with Virginia plates. He talked a little confusedly about > getting > screwed another time that he pre-arranged to see an ultralight and was > hoping to see mine. He had gotten my address off the Barnstormers web > site > and assumed that the plane was at the local airport. Unfortunately he > had > forgotten my phone number at home. He said he learned to fly in the > navy > but lost his medical and wanted an ultralight. Still kind of strange > to > drive the 4 hours to NJ on a Friday when I might have been at work > still or > gone out. The advertisement said it is hangar kept, so he couldn't > see it > without me and my key.. > > Being a nice guy desperate to sell his plane, I explained > that > it was kept at an airport an hour and a half away and he could follow > me > there and I'd be happy to show it to him. He said that he was happy > with > the advertisement on the web site and that if it lived up to the > description > he was willing to buy it that night. The other MkII that he liked was > in > Minnesota and he wanted to visit the closest one first, great. > > Long trip to the airport in evening traffic came next and > then I > opened the hangar to show him the plane. He was interested in any > fabric > damage from use and I showed him the few bits of hangar rash. Showed > him > the repaired windshield next and that is when he offered that he hopes > I am > not mad with him. Why would I be mad with him, I wondered out loud as > I > looked for broken things around him and tried to remember if I heard > fabric > ripping or aluminum bending? Well, he explained that he was > interested in a > tandem plane and mine would not do. But, I pointed out that all MkII > Twinstars are side by side seating. Oh, he said kind of surprised. > Then > what kind of Kolb was tandem seating? > > A bit of explaining of the Kolb line-up ensued, the > writing of > TNK's website followed, directions back to the Jersey Turnpike came > next and > a wishing of a happy life came last as I watched him drive off. I then > promptly cursed, kicked the hangar door, and fumed my way to the pay > phone > to explain to my wife why dinner would not be cooked that night, the > grass > not cut and a few other things I had promised to do would be put off > until > the weekend. An hour and a half drive home got me thinking of fuel > prices... > > The advertisement shows two views of the cockpit, both > with the > seating in view. Was this some kind of alien visitation, maybe a test > of my > patience and kind heart by the creator, could it have been some new > T.V. > show with hidden cameras, was someone somewhere playing a joke on me? > > > Still for sale is my MkII Twinstar (not tandem seating) 503 DCDI, 3 > Blade > Ivoprop. Can be seen at: > http://www.barnstormers.com/listing.php?mode=usersearch > mode=usersearch&user=wozani@optonli > ne.net> &user=wozani@optonline.net > > No jokes, hidden camera shows or divine tests welcome. > > > Charlie, MKII in NJ > > > Do not archive > > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 12:58:26 PM PST US From: "Chuck Stonex" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: selling my MkII --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Chuck Stonex" maybe, considering public safety, it is a good thing you did not sell it to him. He might of hurt something, or him self. Chuck S Des Moines, IA --> Kolb-List message posted by: Charles Blackwell Wanted to pass on an interesting experience I had trying to sell my Twinstar. Yesterday I got a phone call from the manager of my closest airport who I have been bothering for years to get a hangar rental. Seems that someone had driven up to see my ultralight for sale, the manager was confused because he doesn't have any ultralights there at the field and wasn't sure about giving out my phone number to the guy. Kind of confused, I told him I'd drive out to see who was there. When I got to the local airport I found a nice elderly gentleman in a BMW with Virginia plates. He talked a little confusedly about getting screwed another time that he pre-arranged to see an ultralight and was hoping to see mine. He had gotten my address off the Barnstormers web site and assumed that the plane was at the local airport. Unfortunately he had forgotten my phone number at home. He said he learned to fly in the navy but lost his medical and wanted an ultralight. Still kind of strange to drive the 4 hours to NJ on a Friday when I might have been at work still or gone out. The advertisement said it is hangar kept, so he couldn't see it without me and my key.. Being a nice guy desperate to sell his plane, I explained that it was kept at an airport an hour and a half away and he could follow me there and I'd be happy to show it to him. He said that he was happy with the advertisement on the web site and that if it lived up to the description he was willing to buy it that night. The other MkII that he liked was in Minnesota and he wanted to visit the closest one first, great. Long trip to the airport in evening traffic came next and then I opened the hangar to show him the plane. He was interested in any fabric damage from use and I showed him the few bits of hangar rash. Showed him the repaired windshield next and that is when he offered that he hopes I am not mad with him. Why would I be mad with him, I wondered out loud as I looked for broken things around him and tried to remember if I heard fabric ripping or aluminum bending? Well, he explained that he was interested in a tandem plane and mine would not do. But, I pointed out that all MkII Twinstars are side by side seating. Oh, he said kind of surprised. Then what kind of Kolb was tandem seating? A bit of explaining of the Kolb line-up ensued, the writing of TNK's website followed, directions back to the Jersey Turnpike came next and a wishing of a happy life came last as I watched him drive off. I then promptly cursed, kicked the hangar door, and fumed my way to the pay phone to explain to my wife why dinner would not be cooked that night, the grass not cut and a few other things I had promised to do would be put off until the weekend. An hour and a half drive home got me thinking of fuel prices... The advertisement shows two views of the cockpit, both with the seating in view. Was this some kind of alien visitation, maybe a test of my patience and kind heart by the creator, could it have been some new T.V. show with hidden cameras, was someone somewhere playing a joke on me? Still for sale is my MkII Twinstar (not tandem seating) 503 DCDI, 3 Blade Ivoprop. Can be seen at: http://www.barnstormers.com/listing.php?mode=usersearch &user=wozani@optonline.net No jokes, hidden camera shows or divine tests welcome. Charlie, MKII in NJ Do not archive ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 01:02:38 PM PST US From: "PATRICK LADD" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: re: Kolb Kwit --> Kolb-List message posted by: "PATRICK LADD" taught myself to fly fixed wing off my 600 ft strip.>> My hat off to you John. Pat do not archive ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 01:22:16 PM PST US From: "PATRICK LADD" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: q --> Kolb-List message posted by: "PATRICK LADD" power-on approaches as the standard procedure?? >> Hi Russ, I was going to stay out of this one but seeing that you brought it up I wasn`t too happy with that advice either. Do your circuit so that you can make the field if the engine quits is my motto. Perhaps that ain`t so in the big stuff where engines don`t fail in millions of hours, but in our planes Uh huh! Come to that I didn`t like the `nail the speed with the power`. I was taught Attitude (and therefore speed) with the stick, Altitude with the throttle. If your selected landing point is crawling UP the windscreen you open the throttle NOT pull the stick back Now I am going to run for cover. Cheers Pat (The arguement which is bound to follow may be worth archiving?) ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 01:39:54 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: re: Kolb Kwit --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" | | Pat Patrick/Gang: Thanks, but no thanks. It was a stupid thing to do on my part, even though I had a stack of "stick and rudder" flying books copyrighted from the 20's and 30's. I had no problem flying the Ultrastar with the "book learning" and my back ground flying rotary wing aircraft. My problem was trying to put that little airplane back in that postage stamp airstrip, never having flown or landed a fixed wing airplane. Had I gotten a few hours dual, I would have been much better equipped to fly and land. Second landing was a piece of cake though. ;-) I think I could land better back then than I do now. Probably was a lot more serious about doing an "A" ride for my landings. jlhn h MKIII/Ultrastar/Firestar Titus, Alabama ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 05:08:04 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Kolb-List: Tail Post Bracing --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" Hi Folks: Here's a shot of my tail post bracing: http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/Hauck's%20Stuff/Kolb%20Stuff/Crop01.JPG Here's a shot of Gary Haley's tail post bracing. Gary did his after he found out about mine. It worked out well for him because he had alread gotten his fabric and paint done. His method allows for installation without screwing up paint and fabric. Mine are welded. http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/Hauck's%20Stuff/Kolb%20Stuff/crop02.JPG Take care, john h ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 05:35:58 PM PST US From: "Kirk Smith" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Tail Post Bracing --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kirk Smith" Is Gary's brace aluminum? Do not archive ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 05:54:47 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Tail Post Bracing --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" Snuff: Yes. Mine braces in tension and compression. Gary's in tension only. john h ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 06:06:56 PM PST US From: ElleryWeld@aol.com Subject: Kolb-List: Ready for the home coming --> Kolb-List message posted by: ElleryWeld@aol.com I am all set to head to the home coming if the rain will ever stop. Here is a list of my stops if anyone is near one of these let me know if you are planing on going and we can get together and fly down I plan on leaving on 9/20 tuesday morning if the weather cuts me loose start from: KBGR 2nd KIZG 3rd 5B2 4th N23 5th KLHV 6th 7SP 7th 14P 8th KJKL LAST STOP 3KY2 Ellery in Maine in a Original Firestar do not archive ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 06:21:33 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Ready for the home coming --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" | | Ellery in Maine in a Original Firestar Hi Ellery/Gang: My hat is off to you. Hope the weather cooperates and you have a great flight to the Kolb Homecoming. Sorry I was not able to come up with Homer Kolb's GPS coordinates. You can pull them from the New York Sectional if you still want to go by his place. His airstrip is on the sectional and is named Kolb, south of Pottstown-Limerick Airport. Not far from the big nuclear power plant cooling towers. Good luck friend, john h MKIII Titus, Alabama DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 06:26:39 PM PST US From: "Denny Rowe" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: 2SI Engines. --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Denny Rowe" Chuck, I would pass on a 50 hp 2SI powered two seat Challenger, especially with the clipped wing. That must be the 460L engine that is a little under 50 horses. I would want at least a 503 dual carb on that bird. Denny do not archive PS: How about the Mk-2 with the new 503 someone is selling on the list and barnstormers? That is a bird that performs Great on a 503. Kind of like a Firestar II with room for a REAL passenger. :-) I think I heard it has the 3.47 to 1 C gearbox, if so that is as good as it gets with a Mk-2 or Firestar II. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Stonex" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: 2SI Engines. > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Chuck Stonex" > > Denny; > You did not muddy any waters on my end. I am seriously looking at a 1989 > Challenger II Clip wing with a 50 hp motor on it. Cuyuna is a good reason > to > stay on the ground. This motor might be different. Thanks for the input. > Chuck > > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Denny Rowe" > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Chuck Stonex" > > > > I have another major question. With out causing too much contriversy, > does > > any one have any experiance or knowledge of 2SI engines? I do know that > > according to he factory they will not support the engine if it is > > mounted > > on > > an airframe but it is still available for watercraft and snowmobiles and > > pumps. It is reliable and safe or is it like a Cuyuna. I am seriously > > looking at a Challenger II CW that has one on it with less that 100 > hours. > > Chuck S > > > > > > Chuck, > I have the 690 engine on my Mk-3, only 70hrs as I have not flown this year > for personal reasons. > So far I am pretty happy with the 690 but have too little time on it to > give > you a difinitive answer. > As this engine is unsupported by the manufacturer it does put you in a > compromised position. > Sorry for mudding up the water for you. > > Denny Rowe, Mk-3, PA, Still in hanger building mode. > > > -- > > ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 06:31:44 PM PST US From: ElleryWeld@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Ready for the home coming --> Kolb-List message posted by: ElleryWeld@aol.com Great I will look him up and make plans to stop and meet him Thanks John H Ellery in Maine Do Not Archive ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 06:36:58 PM PST US From: "Denny Rowe" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Ready for the home coming --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Denny Rowe" Ellery, I don't recognize any of those identifiers, but if you happen to pass through western PA, 30 to 40 miles north of Pittsburgh, drop in on McVille P-37 and give me a call in advance. If I can help you out with auto fuel I'll be glad to, and also McVille has the cheapest 100ll in our area. Denny Rowe Mk-3 Home phone 724-845-1431, cell 724-882-6788, wifes cell 724-882-2751 Good luck and enjoy! ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Kolb-List: Ready for the home coming > --> Kolb-List message posted by: ElleryWeld@aol.com > > I am all set to head to the home coming if the rain will ever stop. > Here is a list of my stops if anyone is near one of these let me know if > you are planing on going and we can get together and fly down > I plan on leaving on 9/20 tuesday morning if the weather cuts me loose > start from: KBGR > 2nd KIZG > 3rd 5B2 > 4th N23 > 5th KLHV > 6th 7SP > 7th 14P > 8th KJKL > LAST STOP 3KY2 > > Ellery in Maine in a Original Firestar > do not archive > > > -- > > ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 06:37:00 PM PST US From: "Larry Bourne" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Tail Post Bracing --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" Great idea, John and Gary. If the new seal - due in on Monday - does the job, this'll be a "must do." Thanks. Lar. Do not Archive. Larry Bourne Palm Springs, CA Building Kolb Mk III N78LB Vamoose www.gogittum.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hauck" Subject: Kolb-List: Tail Post Bracing > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" > > Hi Folks: > > Here's a shot of my tail post bracing: > > http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/Hauck's%20Stuff/Kolb%20Stuff/Crop01.JPG > > Here's a shot of Gary Haley's tail post bracing. Gary did his after > he found out about mine. It worked out well for him because he had > alread gotten his fabric and paint done. His method allows for > installation without screwing up paint and fabric. Mine are welded. > > http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/Hauck's%20Stuff/Kolb%20Stuff/crop02.JPG > > Take care, > > john h > > > ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 06:48:52 PM PST US From: Mike Pierzina Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Tail Post Bracing --> Kolb-List message posted by: Mike Pierzina Subject: Re: Tail Post BracingFrom: John Hauck (jhauck@elmore.rr.com)Date: Sat Sep 17 - 5:54 PM --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" Snuff:Yes. Mine braces in tension and compression. Gary's in tension only.john h >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.. Hey John / Guys, Gary's braces would also work in compresstion if he would replace the alum "Flat Bar" to some kind of tubing.....maybe some "high dollar" chromoly streamline tubing.....even regular chromoly tubing would work.... Gotta Fly... Mike in MN Do not archive <----- If it's not SPELLED right....it doesn't work My Web Site: http://www.geocities.com/planecrazzzy/Planecrazzzy.html Sometimes you just have to take the leap and build your wings on the way down... ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 06:55:21 PM PST US From: "Chuck Stonex" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: 2SI Engines. --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Chuck Stonex" Denny I started to buy a M-III till someone else got it before me. I am considering a Firestar. I do want a 2 seater. I do not want to settle for "just anything" and then try to find another one later. I saw 2 low time 503's for sale for about $2500. One came off of a Challenger and has a tall drive. I thought maybe I would pick one of them up to replace the 2si. BUT it is still a 1989 air frame but it only has 100hrs on it. If I can get it cheap enough I can make it work. Chuck S --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Denny Rowe" Chuck, I would pass on a 50 hp 2SI powered two seat Challenger, especially with the clipped wing. That must be the 460L engine that is a little under 50 horses. I would want at least a 503 dual carb on that bird. Denny do not archive PS: How about the Mk-2 with the new 503 someone is selling on the list and barnstormers? That is a bird that performs Great on a 503. Kind of like a Firestar II with room for a REAL passenger. :-) I think I heard it has the 3.47 to 1 C gearbox, if so that is as good as it gets with a Mk-2 or Firestar II. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Stonex" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: 2SI Engines. > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Chuck Stonex" > > Denny; > You did not muddy any waters on my end. I am seriously looking at a 1989 > Challenger II Clip wing with a 50 hp motor on it. Cuyuna is a good reason > to > stay on the ground. This motor might be different. Thanks for the input. > Chuck > > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Denny Rowe" > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Chuck Stonex" > > > > I have another major question. With out causing too much contriversy, > does > > any one have any experiance or knowledge of 2SI engines? I do know that > > according to he factory they will not support the engine if it is > > mounted > > on > > an airframe but it is still available for watercraft and snowmobiles and > > pumps. It is reliable and safe or is it like a Cuyuna. I am seriously > > looking at a Challenger II CW that has one on it with less that 100 > hours. > > Chuck S > > > > > > Chuck, > I have the 690 engine on my Mk-3, only 70hrs as I have not flown this year > for personal reasons. > So far I am pretty happy with the 690 but have too little time on it to > give > you a difinitive answer. > As this engine is unsupported by the manufacturer it does put you in a > compromised position. > Sorry for mudding up the water for you. > > Denny Rowe, Mk-3, PA, Still in hanger building mode. > > > -- > > ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 08:03:02 PM PST US From: Richard Pike Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Tail Post Bracing --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike Sweet. I think that would work on mine, & since my tail wheel is not full swivel, I probably need it. Best of all, I think the local hobby shop has some streamline aluminum tubing that would work just fine. http://www.hobbylinc.com/htm/k+s/k+s1104.htm Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) do not archive At 07:07 PM 9/17/05 -0500, you wrote: >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" > >Hi Folks: > >Here's a shot of my tail post bracing: > >http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/Hauck's%20Stuff/Kolb%20Stuff/Crop01.JPG > >Here's a shot of Gary Haley's tail post bracing. Gary did his after >he found out about mine. It worked out well for him because he had >alread gotten his fabric and paint done. His method allows for >installation without screwing up paint and fabric. Mine are welded. > >http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/Hauck's%20Stuff/Kolb%20Stuff/crop02.JPG > >Take care, > >john h > > ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 08:06:07 PM PST US From: Richard Pike Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Ready for the home coming --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike Here is Homer's field according to airnav.com http://www.airnav.com/airport/43PA Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) At 08:21 PM 9/17/05 -0500, you wrote: >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" > > | I am all set to head to the home coming if the rain will ever stop. > | >| Ellery in Maine in a Original Firestar > >Hi Ellery/Gang: > >My hat is off to you. > >Hope the weather cooperates and you have a great flight to the Kolb >Homecoming. > >Sorry I was not able to come up with Homer Kolb's GPS coordinates. >You can pull them from the New York Sectional if you still want to go >by his place. His airstrip is on the sectional and is named Kolb, >south of Pottstown-Limerick Airport. Not far from the big nuclear >power plant cooling towers. > >Good luck friend, > >john h >MKIII >Titus, Alabama > >DO NOT ARCHIVE > > ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 09:30:07 PM PST US From: "Dennis Souder" Subject: Kolb-List: More History - Trailer for sale --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dennis Souder" I wrote this recently to a friend: Kolb's very first customer was a local VW mechanic who dismayed us big-time by threatening to put a VW into his Kolb Flyer!. The empty weight of a standard Flyer was at that time 155 lb. with 2 Chrysler engines. And he wanted to put a VW in this! I went over one day and he had the cage cut and modified and sure enough there was a 1200 CC VW with a Flyer cage molded around it. He did good work - it looked very nice. I am almost sorry to say that we talked him out of it and he replaced it with ... are you ready for this: (... to be continued) If I told an interesting story, I figured you wouldn't mind so much if I mentioned about a trailer I have for sale. It was used for hauling and storing a FireStar for about a year. It has sat inside my storage builidng for 6 years and after not having used it for 6 years, I figured it is time to move it on. It is a commercially manufactured tandem axle trailer 22' 5" long on the inside and the opening at the rear doors is 76-7/8" wide and 78" high. It comes with a bracket for mounting the rear of the fuselage tube and has wheel chocks and a pair of fold out ramps. It is a 1998 trailer, but at most it has 2,500 miles on it and it looks almost like new. Trailer has a 7,000 GW. Trailer is the usual white aluminum skin. If interested, let me know and I can email some photos. It had 4 Chrysler West Bend engines ... all in a row. I actually had the opportunity to fly the beast. It had 4 little throttle controls and pushing and pushing on those tiny little levers pretty kept me full time type busy! Busy trying to keep the engines from talking to each other ... keeping the rpms far enough apart to avoid the droning that occurs when two or more engine hit the same speed. Sounded like a swarm of maddened hornets. It was a real drill starting it too. The lengthened engine mounting tube, as you might guess, could move around quite a bit, so you had to be careful pulling on the recoil. Price of trailer $3,200 or best offer. Located in central PA. Hope you enjoyed the story and didn't mind the ad. Dennis ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 09:49:09 PM PST US From: "Larry Bourne" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Tail Post Bracing --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" I wonder if aluminum is a good choice ?? I don't think compression is a real factor, since one side or the other will always be in tension. Seems to me that steel strap would be stronger, less apt to fatigue, and would be moderately streamlined. Hmmm...........?? Lar. Larry Bourne Palm Springs, CA Building Kolb Mk III N78LB Vamoose www.gogittum.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Pike" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Tail Post Bracing > --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike > > Sweet. I think that would work on mine, & since my tail wheel is not full > swivel, I probably need it. Best of all, I think the local hobby shop has > some streamline aluminum tubing that would work just fine.