Today's Message Index:
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1. 05:17 AM - Mk II For Sale (Bob and Jenn B)
2. 05:47 AM - Re: 2SI engines (Denny Rowe)
3. 07:35 AM - 912 Exhaust on MKIII (c b)
4. 07:53 AM - Re: Tail Post Bracing (ghaley@wt.net)
5. 07:56 AM - Re: 912 Exhaust on MKIII (John Hauck)
6. 08:02 AM - Second Chantz 'chute & Rotax engines (David Kulp)
7. 08:11 AM - Re: Right here Woody (woody)
8. 08:56 AM - Re: Second Chantz 'chute & Rotax engines (Kirk Smith)
9. 09:06 AM - Re: 912 Exhaust on MKIII (N27SB@aol.com)
10. 09:15 AM - Re: Second Chantz 'chute & Rotax engines (Kirk Smith)
11. 09:24 AM - Homecoming Earlybirds (N27SB@aol.com)
12. 09:39 AM - Re: Kolb Kwit (Ed Chmielewski)
13. 09:44 AM - Re: Homecoming Earlybirds (John Hauck)
14. 09:58 AM - Re: Homecoming Earlybirds (N27SB@aol.com)
15. 10:06 AM - Re: Homecoming Earlybirds (N27SB@aol.com)
16. 10:09 AM - 912 advice (Don Gherardini)
17. 10:12 AM - Re: Homecoming Earlybirds (John Hauck)
18. 10:15 AM - Re: Homecoming Earlybirds (John Hauck)
19. 10:28 AM - Re: Homecoming Earlybirds (N27SB@aol.com)
20. 10:37 AM - Re: 912 advice (John Hauck)
21. 10:49 AM - Re: Homecoming Earlybirds (James, Ken)
22. 11:20 AM - Re: Homecoming Earlybirds (John Hauck)
23. 11:28 AM - Re: 912 advice (Don Gherardini)
24. 01:05 PM - Website Update (John Williamson)
25. 02:19 PM - Re: Second Chantz 'chute & Rotax engines (Flycrazy8@aol.com)
26. 02:26 PM - Re: Homecoming ? (Flycrazy8@aol.com)
27. 03:47 PM - I'm looking for information on this Mk III (WillUribe@AOL.COM)
28. 04:35 PM - Re: I'm looking for information on this Mk III (robert bean)
29. 04:45 PM - Re: I'm looking for information on this Mk III (Chuck Stonex)
30. 05:26 PM - Kolb Slingshot kit on eBay (Mike Schnabel)
31. 05:39 PM - Re: Kolb Slingshot kit on eBay (John Hauck)
32. 06:09 PM - Re: Kolb Slingshot kit on eBay (Mike Schnabel)
33. 06:47 PM - Re: I'm looking for information on this Mk III (Denny Rowe)
34. 06:56 PM - Re: 912 advice (Denny Rowe)
35. 07:41 PM - Re: 912 advice (Chuck Stonex)
36. 08:10 PM - Re: Geo engine (possums)
37. 08:54 PM - Re: 912 advice (Dennis Souder)
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bob and Jenn B" <tabberdd@hotmail.com>
I just finished a website for my Mk II that is for sale. Let me know if
there is any interest.
http://mysite.verizon.net/vze7ykbz/
Bob Bennethum
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Denny Rowe" <rowedl@highstream.net>
Yes
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chuck Stonex" <cstonex@msn.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: 2SI engines
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Chuck Stonex" <cstonex@msn.com>
>
> so is this a good motor then ??
> Chuck
>
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Denny Rowe" <rowedl@highstream.net>
>
> Chuck,
> Don is right, that is a 690L-70 on that Challenger. It is 70hp and is
> more
> than enough for that bird, way more power than a 503.
> 2SIs 50 hp model looks just like the 690 but is only two cylinder.
> For parts and service call Roger at ZDE 618-584-3567.
>
> Denny Rowe
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Chuck Stonex" <cstonex@msn.com>
> To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RE: Kolb-List: 2SI engines
>
>
> > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Chuck Stonex" <cstonex@msn.com>
> >
> > Good morning Ed.
> > The C-IIcw I'm looking at has the 3 cylinder 2si on it with a 3 blade
> > prop.
> > I think it is 50hp+/-. It is a 3 carb, single ignition, water cooled
> > engine.
> > I think it should skoot pretty good. I think that the early model Cuyuna
> > (2si's) (early 1980 - 1990) had major problems. I know of some that have
> > flown the Cuyuna 377 for hundreds of hours with no problems. I know of
> > others that never got off the ground. I know guys with Rotax 377 and 618
> > that have the same stories. But it is also like you said, pilot error
> > causes
> > the problems.
> > Who is the supplier that you mention? I talked to the factory and they
> > said
> > "not even a screw or hose clamp"! There is even an announcement on the
> 2si
> > web site that says they will not support it as of 1990 something. He
> would
> > not even give me a general opinion of the engine from the moment I said
> it
> > was mounted on an air frame.
> > Chuck
> >
>
>
> --
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>
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| Subject: | 912 Exhaust on MKIII |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "c b" <seedeebee@hotmail.com>
Hey All,
My exhaust cracked nearly all the way around at the first bend after leaving
one of the cylinders. I have decided to redesign the whole system, because
this is not the first time.
I checked with Rotax, Kolb, Spruce etc. Rotax makes a kit for $900 that you
custom build for your airplane. The kit is the only thing I can find. It
takes 3 months to ship from Germany.
This seems too expensive and far too long to wait.
Does anyone have any 912 exhaust system experience or advice?
Thanks!
Chris Banys
MK III 912 Amphibian
10FR
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| Subject: | Re: Tail Post Bracing |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: ghaley@wt.net
Yes...ACE Hardware.
Gary
Quoting Kirk Smith <snuffy@usol.com>:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kirk Smith" <snuffy@usol.com>
>
> Is Gary's brace aluminum?
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| Subject: | Re: 912 Exhaust on MKIII |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
after leaving
| one of the cylinders. I have decided to redesign the whole system,
because
| this is not the first time.
| Chris Banys
Morning Chris/All:
Went through a long struggle with exhaust systems for the 912 series
engines over the last 11 years. Finally got a good system from Titan
Aircraft a few years ago. It is not perfect, but is the best
available that I know of. I believe they are selling for about
$1,000.00 a copy, are made of stainless steel.
I had the number 3 exhaust tube fail in the exhaust port on the
outboard side of the extrusion that holds the tube in place. Was on a
flight to Monument Valley when it broke between Santa Rosa and
Albuquerque, NM. Found a gentleman to TIG weld it up for me. He did
a great job and have been flying with it since the middle of last May.
The week part of the Titan system, as with most 912 exhaust systems is
the stub that is provided by Rotax and comes installed in the exhaust
ports of the engines when new. I believe the extrusion/expansion in
the stub is what helps weaken them, as this is where they usually
break. The new systems are welded to the stubs.
I will stick with the Titan system. Believe it is the best available.
Don't want something that will degrade performance in any way. The
Titan system is tuned for the engine.
I looked up your N number and see that you are flying with Frank
Reynen's old MKIII. Got yourself a good airplane and engine.
Take care,
john h
MKIII/912ULS
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| Subject: | Second Chantz 'chute & Rotax engines |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "David Kulp" <undoctor@rcn.com>
I have a Second Chantz 'chute on my Ultrastar which probably needs repacking.
Does anyone know of a place that repacks this brand, since Second Chantz is out
of business. I also have a Cuyuna on my Ultrastar and am wondering if a Rotax
is a Rotax, or is there a difference between those installed on, say, a snowmobile
and an aircraft? I had an opportunity to buy a snowmobile Rotax but passed
it up not knowing if it would be OK on my Ultrastar.
I appreciate the input.
Dave Kulp
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| Subject: | Re: Right here Woody |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "woody" <duesouth@govital.net>
Thanks Kirk
The guy seems to know what he is talking about and did the work to prove
it. Very interesting .
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kirk Smith" <snuffy@usol.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: Right here Woody
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kirk Smith" <snuffy@usol.com>
>
> http://www.nessaaircraft.net/farmFrame1Source1.htm
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| Subject: | Re: Second Chantz 'chute & Rotax engines |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kirk Smith" <snuffy@usol.com>
David,
Richard Pike and I had ours repacked by a guy in Kentucky. I'll have to dig
through stuff to find his address and url when I get home from work unless
Richard finds it first. Kirk
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| Subject: | Re: 912 Exhaust on MKIII |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: N27SB@aol.com
In a message dated 9/19/05 9:35:52 AM Central Daylight Time,
seedeebee@hotmail.com writes:
> Does anyone have any 912 exhaust system experience or advice?
>
> Chris, It is hard to find better advice than John's, However, Slipstream came
up with a really nice split system that was flown on the Factory MKIIIX
until It's demise last year. Bryan Melborn would be able to estimate how many
hours were on it. Bryan and Norm both like the system except that it sounded a
little different. I have a pretty good picture of it if you would like one.
Again, John's extensive air time and experience is hard to beat, but this
is an alternative.
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Steve
Fireflies
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| Subject: | Re: Second Chantz 'chute & Rotax engines |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kirk Smith" <snuffy@usol.com>
David,
Here is a url with the guys name and email address that repacked our
second chanz chutes.
http://www.alti-2.com/FieldSupportLocatorPages/Kentucky.htm
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| Subject: | Homecoming Earlybirds |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: N27SB@aol.com
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ed Chmielewski" <edchmiel@mindspring.com>
Dave,
The practices you're discussing are your opinions, which may work
for you, but don't promote them with language like "any instructor or
professional pilot will tell you". As a longtime instructor and
professional pilot, I would never tell someone that a certain glide path
somehow 'works' for all aircraft. I especially teach 'power-off' landings
in singles, and frequently practice single-engine approaches in twins. I
see nothing wrong in using 'minimum-power' for approaches, but do see a
problem with flying an ultralight in the same manner as 'jet fighters, jet
airliners, light twins, Cessna 150's, gyro copters,'... (Have you in fact
flown at least one of each type? Not to be harsh, but if not, how would you
know?)
The check-pilot is looking for a stabilized approach, which may be
power-on. He'd be the first one to pull the power off in a single if he saw
you were beyond a safe, power-off gliding distance from a suitable
runway/landing site. I only use flaps (or landing gear) when needed, but
don't 'drag' them around with power.
Please don't invoke my (or others') credentials in lieu of your own
in the future.
Be safe.
Ed in JXN (MI)
MkII/503
----- Original Message -----
From: "David L. Bigelow" <dlbigelow@verizon.net>
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Kolb Kwit
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "David L. Bigelow"
> <dlbigelow@verizon.net>
>
> Last post on this subject:
>
> Let's face it folks - we count on our engines every time we fly. I
> suppose you can do a profile where you take off on a long enough runway,
> where, if the engine quits you can either land straight ahead, or do an
> abbreviated pattern. In the real world, you can try and maximize your
> chances of finding a place to land if the engine quits, but there are
> plenty of moments in every flight where a failure is going to result in a
> landing that will bend the aircraft (and maybe you). The only cure for
> this is to choose a reliable engine and maintain it. That's why John H.
> likes his 912 so much.
>
> Making normal approaches with a 2 - 3 degree glide path and power on is
> the preferred technique for light aircraft, and has been for a number of
> years. An FAA check pilot is looking for a stabilized power-on approach.
> The 2 - 3 degree glide path is even used in sailplanes. You establish the
> approach angle with the proper airspeed, and modulate the spoilers and
> pitch attitude to maintain the desired airspeed and glide path. You use
> the spoilers like a throttle, and can spot a landing within a few feet of
> where you desire. It's the same with jet fighters, jet airliners, light
> twins, Cessna 150's, gyro copters, and any ultralight I've flown. In
> fact, the only aircrart I've flown where it isn't the best technique is
> hang gliders. No spoilers there, and every approach is power off.
>
> None of this relieves us from learning the skills of an engine out
> approach. It just makes good sense to practice them so you have a
> reasonable chance of surviving an unplanned landing. Again, in the real
> world, my Firestar descends at 600 feet per minute with the engine off.
> At 1,000 feet, there are 100 seconds to select a place to land, set up the
> approach, and land - not very much time. Most of the time, our engines
> are not so considerate, and like to quit at a couple of hundred feet right
> after takeoff. How about 20 seconds or less from silence to touchdown?
> Just enough time to lower the nose, maybe turn a few degrees one way or
> other, grit your teeth, and flare.
>
> Point is, you can stack the odds in your favor, but you can't eliminate
> the risk. If you are going to have any fun in this sport, you are not
> going to spend every second of every flight worrying about the engine
> quitting. You fly the aircraft using the techniques that have proven
> successful over the years, and if the engine quits, you deal with it.
>
> Dave Bigelow
> Kamuela, HI
> FS2 503 DCDI
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Homecoming Earlybirds |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: Homecoming Earlybirds
| --> Kolb-List message posted by: N27SB@aol.com
Steve/All:
John W, Gary H, Steven G, and John H, plan on arriving TNK late
Thursday afternnoon. Do not know if that will qualify as "earlybirds"
or not.
Do we get a prize if we are an earlybird? ;-)
Ah.......free camping. OK. I'll be an earlybird.
john h
MKIII/912ULS
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| Subject: | Re: Homecoming Earlybirds |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: N27SB@aol.com
To All. For all of you that are arriving early at the Homecoming,
Bryan is planning on having a simple Cookout at his Hanger on late Thursday
Afternoon, Travis tells me that there is no catering planned at Kolb on
Thursday so this should be a good opportunity for some FREE food. I will be
driving up from Fla on Wednesday with a cooler full of Homemade Italian Sausage
for
the cookout so I hope Rita or Phillipe don't get in the way. You can contact
Travis for a Culinary Review of the sausage.
Steve
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| Subject: | Re: Homecoming Earlybirds |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: N27SB@aol.com
Sorry John, I somehow deleted the text, it has since been sent. Man I can't
even blame it on age yet.
Originally I was going to bring some Sausage up and we were going to sneak
off and enjoy it Selfishly. Since then, I had a change of heart and decided to
make enough for all.
I just hope that the Hurricanes do not interfere with my arrival. Last year I
left my Girlfriend Tina holding down the Fort when Jeanne came through. As
you recall, it was hitting Fla Sat night while I was at the Kolb Dinner.
Steve
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
Hey men...all you 912'ers...I have a general question about a 912 that has
been sitting still since late 2001.
IN a 2 stroke...a used engine sitting this long would be in jeporady of
haveing rusty bearings ..now how about a 912?....specifically, a 912 80
hp....with 80 hours on it when it was parked inside and no real preventative
maintainence done.
Is a 912 built in 2000 or so early enough to have a bunch of AD's needed to
make it comparable to todays?...were there any major production changes
since then?
How do I find out for certain how old it is?, as I have the serial
number.looked on the web at Rotax site, but found nothing as to a serial
number/production date ref.
This engine is for sale on a Mk 3 airframe that looks pretty good and it is
begining to interest me...arghhhh! The guy claims it was dealer built, but
the dealer died in a crash since then so no one to talk to about it. Dealer
was in ohio or penn or somewhere out there.
Anybody have any clues?
Don Gherardini
OEM.Sales / Engineering dept.
American Honda Engines
Power Equipment Company
CortLand, Illinois
800-626-7326
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| Subject: | Re: Homecoming Earlybirds |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Thursday
| Afternoon, |
| Steve
Steve/Gang:
Uuoooh! Sounds good. Guess we may have to push a little to get there
early enough to chow down before they are all gone.
For those on the Kolb List that have not been to the Kolb Homecoming
at TNK, it is the only flyin I know of that takes care of attendees,
to the point of seeing that they get fed, for free, while they are
there. That includes lots of hot coffee and donuts first thing Sat
and Sun morning. The Sat evening feed is the grand event for us chow
hounds. Come on down, enjoy the company, look at airplanes on the
ground, in the air, meet the Kolb Company owner and employees, and
thoroughly enjoy yourselves.
See you all there,
john h
MKIII/912ULS
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| Subject: | Re: Homecoming Earlybirds |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Last year I
| left my Girlfriend Tina holding down the Fort when Jeanne came
through. As
| you recall, it was hitting Fla Sat night while I was at the Kolb
Dinner.
|
| Steve
Steve/Gang:
No sweat!
We are flying to TNK hurricane or not.
May be a problem flying back home, but Travis will take care of us
refugees if the need arises. Probably put us all to work to earn our
keep.
Take care,
john h
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| Subject: | Re: Homecoming Earlybirds |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: N27SB@aol.com
In a message dated 9/19/05 12:13:10 PM Central Daylight Time,
jhauck@elmore.rr.com writes:
> Steve/Gang:
>
> Uuoooh! Sounds good. Guess we may have to push a little to get there
> early enough to chow down before they are all gone.
>
OK John, Calm down, take your time and fly safe. I will make sure to leave
the grill on and the back door open.
Steve do not archive
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Don G/Gang:
I can not answer your question on idle 912 since 2001. However, if it
was shut down with condensation in the crank case it may have suffered
from some internal corrosion. Just a guess cause I do not know.
I'd contact Ronnie Smith, or Lockwood, to get info on SN and on the
engine condition.
As far as who built it??? If it is registered experimental, it should
have all the accompanying paperwork with it. The info you get from
the paper work plus help from TNK should help you get some background
on the aircraft.
john h
MKIII/912ULS
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| Subject: | Homecoming Earlybirds |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "James, Ken" <KDJames@berkscareer.com>
I guess you missed the Fly-In at Homers this summer free food and good
company.
Ken
-----Original Message-----
From: John Hauck [mailto:jhauck@elmore.rr.com]
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Homecoming Earlybirds
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
=20| Bryan is planning on having a simple Cookout at his Hanger on late
Thursday
| Afternoon, |
| Steve
Steve/Gang:
Uuoooh! Sounds good. Guess we may have to push a little to get there
early enough to chow down before they are all gone.
For those on the Kolb List that have not been to the Kolb Homecoming
at TNK, it is the only flyin I know of that takes care of attendees,
to the point of seeing that they get fed, for free, while they are
there. That includes lots of hot coffee and donuts first thing Sat
and Sun morning. The Sat evening feed is the grand event for us chow
hounds. Come on down, enjoy the company, look at airplanes on the
ground, in the air, meet the Kolb Company owner and employees, and
thoroughly enjoy yourselves.
See you all there,
john h
MKIII/912ULS
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| Subject: | Re: Homecoming Earlybirds |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
good
| company.
|
| Ken
Ken/All:
Guess I did.
Thanks for correcting me.
Homer and Clara Kolb are gratious hosts.
john h
MKIII/912ULS
One of Homer's chillun's.
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
John,
thx pard...got the n-number and looked it up...arghh...say It is a Firestar
1 single seat...built by Lakeland ultralights...
contacted the seller...he says nope..it is definately a Mk3 and yes he can
see the reg says firestar 1...but he has the airworthy cert and it says
Mk3....he says the faa must have got it mixed up when they registered it....
\hmmm...
probably wouldnt make a diff...but...N number says it is a single....that
could be a big difference...arghh...paper work....
N80JL built by lakeLand ultralites.
other planes built by lakeland include a coupl of mk 3s also...includeing
N902JL
anybody know who lakeland UL was/is?
Don Gherardini
OEM.Sales / Engineering dept.
American Honda Engines
Power Equipment Company
CortLand, Illinois
800-626-7326
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Williamson" <kolbrapilot2@comcast.net>
Hi All,
Finished an update of my website to include the Fly-In at Flying~V~ Ranch.
Just finished packing the Kolbra back up for the flight to TNK Homecoming
2005. The weather looks good for the next few days of flying:
http://www.intellicast.com/Local/USLocalStd.asp?loc=kloz&seg=LocalWeather&pr
odgrp=Forecasts&product=Forecast&prodnav=none&pid=none
John Williamson
Arlington, TX
Kolb Kolbra, Rotax 912ULS, 925 hours
http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot1
kolbrapilot2@comcast.net
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Second Chantz 'chute & Rotax engines |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Flycrazy8@aol.com
Hey Dave,
The Rotax"s on the Jet Ski's and Snowmobiles is different from the 503's and
447's we fly on our Kolb's......Good Choice you made !
Without alot of modification you will find it hard to use anything else than
the Cuyuna on the Ultrastar.
Stephen Baxley
former Ultrastar driver
present Firefly driver
From Dave Kulp saying :
have a Cuyuna on my Ultrastar and am wondering if a Rotax is a Rotax, or is
there a difference between those installed on, say, a snowmobile and an
aircraft? I had an opportunity to buy a snowmobile Rotax but passed it up not
knowing if it would be OK on my Ultrastar.
I appreciate the input.
Dave Kulp
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| Subject: | Re: Homecoming ? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Flycrazy8@aol.com
IS Beauford going to be the guest entertainer at the Homecoming ?......I'd
buy tickets to hear him.... : - ))
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| Subject: | I'm looking for information on this Mk III |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: WillUribe@aol.com
Greetings Kolb fans,
Does anyone know the history or background on this Kolb MK III?
http://tinyurl.com/c2drx
Thanks,
Will Uribe
FireStar II N4GU
El Paso, TX
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| Subject: | Re: I'm looking for information on this Mk III |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
The winning bidder got a heck of a great deal.
-BB do not archive
On 19, Sep 2005, at 6:46 PM, WillUribe@aol.com wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: WillUribe@aol.com
>
> Greetings Kolb fans,
> Does anyone know the history or background on this Kolb MK III?
>
> http://tinyurl.com/c2drx
>
>
> Thanks,
> Will Uribe
> FireStar II N4GU
> El Paso, TX
>
>
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| Subject: | I'm looking for information on this Mk III |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Chuck Stonex" <cstonex@msn.com>
What Kolb MK III is it. I recently did a back ground on one with N28JL on
the tail. I was going to buy it.
Chuck S
--> Kolb-List message posted by: WillUribe@aol.com
Greetings Kolb fans,
Does anyone know the history or background on this Kolb MK III?
http://tinyurl.com/c2drx
Thanks,
Will Uribe
FireStar II N4GU
El Paso, TX
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| Subject: | Kolb Slingshot kit on eBay |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Mike Schnabel <tnfirestar2@yahoo.com>
Hey gang, saw this Slingshot kit for sale on ebay, i dont know what it would be
worth, but with 45 minutes left to auction, bids are just at $2200 which sounds
like a steal to me! Dont think there is an engine, but still...
Go to ebay.com, type in the auction number in the search bar...
Kolb Aircraft Slingshot * NIB * Ready to Build & FlyItem number: 4574602894
Mike Schnabel
Firestar II 503
Manchester TN
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb Slingshot kit on eBay |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
it would be worth, but with 45 minutes left to auction, bids are just
at $2200 which sounds like a steal to me! Dont think there is an
engine, but still...
Mike S/Gang:
Only a very partial kit. Owner paid $2,000 in 1997. Doesn't include
fuselage either. Looks like he is getting his money back, but his
advertising leaves a lot to be desired. Very incomplete information
and he used Bill Woods SS and the Old Kolb Co's SS to advertise.
john h
PS: Please don't forget the " DO NOT ARCHIVE" at the bottom of posts
that should not be sent to Kolb List Archives. Doubt the above would
qualify for something someone would like to know a few years from now.
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb Slingshot kit on eBay |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Mike Schnabel <tnfirestar2@yahoo.com>
Thanks for the added info John. Your right about the ad being less than accurate.
He even states "complete" kit at one point, but that would be different than
a complete airplane. He really needs to work on his advertising. Unless deception
was his intention. Sorry i forgot the archive note, i will get used to adding
that. Thanks again.
Mike Schnabel
DO NOT ARCHIVE
John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com> wrote:
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck"
| Hey gang, saw this Slingshot kit for sale on ebay, i dont know what
it would be worth, but with 45 minutes left to auction, bids are just
at $2200 which sounds like a steal to me! Dont think there is an
engine, but still...
| Mike Schnabel
Mike S/Gang:
Only a very partial kit. Owner paid $2,000 in 1997. Doesn't include
fuselage either. Looks like he is getting his money back, but his
advertising leaves a lot to be desired. Very incomplete information
and he used Bill Woods SS and the Old Kolb Co's SS to advertise.
john h
PS: Please don't forget the " DO NOT ARCHIVE" at the bottom of posts
that should not be sent to Kolb List Archives. Doubt the above would
qualify for something someone would like to know a few years from now.
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: I'm looking for information on this Mk III |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Denny Rowe" <rowedl@highstream.net>
Wow,
Looks just like the bird Kolb had in their original Mk-3 glossy sheet with
Dennis S and the pretty passenger smiling wide, if that aint the bird,
someone copied Homers paint and wing center section to a tee.
Denny Rowe
----- Original Message -----
From: <WillUribe@aol.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: I'm looking for information on this Mk III
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: WillUribe@aol.com
>
> Greetings Kolb fans,
> Does anyone know the history or background on this Kolb MK III?
>
> http://tinyurl.com/c2drx
>
>
> Thanks,
> Will Uribe
> FireStar II N4GU
> El Paso, TX
>
>
> --
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Denny Rowe" <rowedl@highstream.net>
Don,
JL in the N number stands for Jim Lee, he was the owner of Lakeland
ultralights, a Kolb dealer on the border of Ohio and PA up North from me.
As I recall Mr Lee built some very modified Kolbs with things like
retractable gear on Full Lotus floats and also storage compartments in the
wings.
If memory serves me correctly, he was killed in a tragic accident at Sun and
Fun when an oil line on his 912 broke and it caught fire in mid air.
I never met the fellow as I did not yet own a Kolb at the time but had my
heart set on a Mk-3.
If Dennis S is reading the list, maybe he can correct any errors in memory I
may have.
Hope this helps.
Denny Rowe, Mk-3, N616DR, 690L-70, Leechburg, PA
> N80JL built by lakeLand ultralites.
> other planes built by lakeland include a coupl of mk 3s also...includeing
> N902JL
>
> anybody know who lakeland UL was/is?
>
> Don Gherardini
> OEM.Sales / Engineering dept.
> American Honda Engines
> Power Equipment Company
> CortLand, Illinois
> 800-626-7326
>
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Chuck Stonex" <cstonex@msn.com>
Jim Lee was Lakeland Ultralights.
Chuck S
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Denny Rowe" <rowedl@highstream.net>
Don,
JL in the N number stands for Jim Lee, he was the owner of Lakeland
ultralights, a Kolb dealer on the border of Ohio and PA up North from me.
As I recall Mr Lee built some very modified Kolbs with things like
retractable gear on Full Lotus floats and also storage compartments in the
wings.
If memory serves me correctly, he was killed in a tragic accident at Sun and
Fun when an oil line on his 912 broke and it caught fire in mid air.
I never met the fellow as I did not yet own a Kolb at the time but had my
heart set on a Mk-3.
If Dennis S is reading the list, maybe he can correct any errors in memory I
may have.
Hope this helps.
Denny Rowe, Mk-3, N616DR, 690L-70, Leechburg, PA
> N80JL built by lakeLand ultralites.
> other planes built by lakeland include a coupl of mk 3s also...includeing
> N902JL
>
> anybody know who lakeland UL was/is?
>
> Don Gherardini
> OEM.Sales / Engineering dept.
> American Honda Engines
> Power Equipment Company
> CortLand, Illinois
> 800-626-7326
>
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: possums <possums@mindspring.com>
At 10:28 PM 9/14/2005, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard Swiderski"
><rswiderski@earthlink.net>
>
>George,
> Maybe we could get Possum to lead us & we could be a real Florida
>Gaggle. And if we got The Butcher Of Bradenton to bring up the rear, he
>could make sure no one turned back for donuts.
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Flycrazy8@aol.com
IS Beauford going to be the guest entertainer at the Homecoming ?......I'd
buy tickets to hear him.... : - ))
-------------------------
No - you don't understand , Beauford is kinda like the "Easter Bunny" or
" Santa Clause" - clause he isn't real. I used to think he was, but .....
I was younger then.
I'm not really invited to the shindig anyway - even though I've shown up about
3 times before - "the red headed step child" and all that stuff and
was treated really nice,
like everybody else - mostly because I think they were trying to
figure out what the heck I was..
Anyway, the only thing I got left of my old firestar is the stick and
the nose cone and maybe some
hardware on the wings. But I still rebuilt the old "kolb" ribs in my
new wings - new meaning 1999.
You can't climb better that those flat bottomed things will do. You
put VGs on the wings
and you got an envelope of 27 mph stall to 80 mph on a trip if you
set your warp drive right.
http://www.mindspring.com/~possums/
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dennis Souder" <flykolb@pa.net>
Denny,
You have it pretty much correct. Many people get confused because the name
of his business was Lakeland Ultralights and many thought it was in Lakeland
Fl. But it was in Sharon PA. He did loose an oil line, but I didn't hear
about the fire part. My understanding was that he had just taken off from a
lake, noticed the oil loss and then stalled and spun attempting to do a low
altitude180 back to the lake. He was probably distracted from his flying by
the oil leak.
Jim had significant resources he had owned several large businesses and flew
a 210, as I recall. Anyway we had quite a few far ranging discussions over
the years and one time he wanted to emphasize to me how if it ever came to
having to ditch his airplane that he would do it without blinking - if this
would increase his chance of survival - he was pointing to his 210 at the
time. This was probably in the context of a discussion about how someone
tried to save their plane and lost their life in the process. Anyway he
expressed it something like this: "when I am flying, my airplane means
nothing to me." Meaning that he would give no thought to saving the plane if
it meant endangering his life. I believe he really meant it.
It was very ironic because his accident gave every appearance of him having
doing the opposite. I am not being critical of how he responded because I
don't know what his choices might have been. I only mention this because I
think we all have in mind what we think we would do under a given
circumstance. But when the unsuspecting suddenly happens, and we have only
a split second to do the right thing .... we are all very like to panic and
do the wrong thing. Like the video of the QS pilot upon losing an engine,
just pull back on the stick and hold it there. I have done that myself in
an UltraStar and did the lawn dart routine from a low altitude.
The airplane was not really a Mark-III - the fuselage was a Mark-III, but
not much else. Jim really like the Titan wing construction and he had a guy
working for him who had worked with Titan. Between Jim and Guy Truax (I
think that was his name) they made a "titan" type wing for a Mark-III
fuselage. I think it also had a modified tail. The airplane flew badly, in
fact it flight characteristics were so poor, they he didn't let anyone else
fly it. (Jim was pretty free with letting others fly his airplanes - but
not this one.) I am guessing that had he been in a standard Mark-III, the
outcome might have been different. His father lived in FL and Jim kept this
airplane just for use when he was visiting in FL.
Jim was also did much to develop floats for Kolb aircraft. I really enjoyed
Jim, he was bright, articulate, had a great sense of humor and was
passionate about airplanes and flying. His passing was a big loss to the
aviation community.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: "Denny Rowe" <rowedl@highstream.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: 912 advice
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Denny Rowe" <rowedl@highstream.net>
>
>
> Don,
> JL in the N number stands for Jim Lee, he was the owner of Lakeland
> ultralights, a Kolb dealer on the border of Ohio and PA up North from me.
> As I recall Mr Lee built some very modified Kolbs with things like
> retractable gear on Full Lotus floats and also storage compartments in the
> wings.
> If memory serves me correctly, he was killed in a tragic accident at Sun
and
> Fun when an oil line on his 912 broke and it caught fire in mid air.
> I never met the fellow as I did not yet own a Kolb at the time but had my
> heart set on a Mk-3.
> If Dennis S is reading the list, maybe he can correct any errors in memory
I
> may have.
>
> Hope this helps.
> Denny Rowe, Mk-3, N616DR, 690L-70, Leechburg, PA
>
>
> > N80JL built by lakeLand ultralites.
> > other planes built by lakeland include a coupl of mk 3s
also...includeing
> > N902JL
> >
> > anybody know who lakeland UL was/is?
> >
> > Don Gherardini
> > OEM.Sales / Engineering dept.
> > American Honda Engines
> > Power Equipment Company
> > CortLand, Illinois
> > 800-626-7326
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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