---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 09/28/05: 31 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:50 AM - Proper w/b procedure (Jim Gerken) 2. 05:07 AM - Re: Sport pilot question (James, Ken) 3. 07:26 AM - Re: weight and balance (pat ladd) 4. 07:26 AM - Re: weight and balance (pat ladd) 5. 07:56 AM - Jabiru Prop Choice (N27SB@aol.com) 6. 08:03 AM - Sport pilot test (Lanny Fetterman) 7. 08:59 AM - Weight and Balance Spread Sheet (ray anderson) 8. 09:01 AM - Re: Sport pilot test (James, Ken) 9. 09:02 AM - broken titan exhaust system (Erich_Weaver@URSCorp.com) 10. 09:40 AM - Re: broken titan exhaust system (John Hauck) 11. 09:57 AM - Re: Firestar weight and balance info needed (possums) 12. 10:31 AM - trim (russ kinne) 13. 11:02 AM - Banking left (Charles Blackwell) 14. 11:33 AM - books (pat ladd) 15. 01:18 PM - (Chris Mallory) 16. 01:37 PM - Re: Weight and Balance Spread Sheet (Robert Noyer) 17. 01:44 PM - Re: (Guy Morgan) 18. 01:59 PM - Re: (Michael Sharp) 19. 02:14 PM - Re: (Beauford) 20. 02:29 PM - Re: (Chris Mallory) 21. 02:41 PM - trim tabs (b young) 22. 02:41 PM - w&b (b young) 23. 03:24 PM - 6" aluminum tube (guy truex) 24. 04:57 PM - Re: Sport pilot test (PENGUIN) 25. 05:09 PM - Re: broken titan exhaust system (Denny Rowe) 26. 05:35 PM - Re: Jabiru Prop Choice (Denny Rowe) 27. 05:42 PM - Re: Sport pilot test (Mike Schnabel) 28. 06:19 PM - Battery for 503 Starter? (jdmurr@juno.com) 29. 07:36 PM - Re: 6" aluminum tube (N27SB@aol.com) 30. 07:40 PM - Sport pilot test (Lanny Fetterman) 31. 07:59 PM - Starter battery (Lanny Fetterman) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:50:30 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Proper w/b procedure From: Jim Gerken 09/28/2005 06:49:49 AM --> Kolb-List message posted by: Jim Gerken Time: 05:34:13 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: weight and balance >>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" >>above the >>| ground, and block the opposite wheel up to match it. Raise the tail >>the >>| same amount. Lar. >Lar/Gang: >And............make sure it is weighed in an environment of still air. >A little puff of wind will make a big difference in your weight >readout. >john h >MKIII/912ULS John H., how did your weight and balance come out? Can you show us your math? Jim Gerken ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:07:34 AM PST US From: "James, Ken" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Sport pilot question --> Kolb-List message posted by: "James, Ken" Where did Dload the questions from? Thanks Ken -----Original Message----- From: Lanny Fetterman [mailto:donaho@csrlink.net] Subject: Kolb-List: Sport pilot question --> Kolb-List message posted by: Lanny Fetterman Hi to all, I took and passed the sport pilot written test today. Now the chicken or the egg question. Do I N-number the F.S.II and then take the practical? Or do I take the practical then N-number the aircraft? If I understand things correctly, I must take the practical test in an N-numbered aircraft of the same type I am going to fly. However, I may not fly an N-Numbered aircraft until I have a sport pilot endorsement. Any insight on this would be a great help. Thanks in advance to anyone that responds to this question. Lanny Fetterman F.S. II #598 A.S.C. # A10LRF Do not archive ` P.S. Several of the questions I was asked, were NOT in the bank of 189 sport pilot questions that I downloaded to study for the test. Surprise, Surprise! IMPORTANT/CONFIDENTIAL: This communication is intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed. This e-mail contains information from the Berks Career & Technology Center that may be privileged, confidential, and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this communication is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately and permanently delete this message including all attachments. Thank you. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:26:22 AM PST US From: "pat ladd" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: weight and balance --> Kolb-List message posted by: "pat ladd" tyre (there ya go Pat).>> Robert, if you go on like this you will be able to claim English as your First Language. Re aching backs. Just changed the wheel on the Challenger on my own. Lifting at the tip is no problem but lifting close enough to the root to be able to kick a block under the u/c leg is a different matter. Did my Google earth pic. make it? Pat do not archive -- ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:26:22 AM PST US From: "pat ladd" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: weight and balance --> Kolb-List message posted by: "pat ladd" Raise the tail the same amount. >> Not forgetting that the plane should be in the flying position. But of course everyone knew that. Cheers Pat do not archive -- ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:56:08 AM PST US From: N27SB@aol.com Subject: Kolb-List: Jabiru Prop Choice --> Kolb-List message posted by: N27SB@aol.com To all, Bryan Melborn asked me to find info on prop choices for an 80 hp Jab on a MKIIIX. He has a customer that does not follow the list. He is currently using a Sensenich wood prop but it is very noisy. Steve do not archive ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:03:57 AM PST US From: Lanny Fetterman Subject: Kolb-List: Sport pilot test --> Kolb-List message posted by: Lanny Fetterman Ken and all, I downloaded the test questions from http://av-info.faa.gov/data/airmanknowledge/lsp.htm Lanny Do not archive ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:59:49 AM PST US From: ray anderson Subject: Kolb-List: Weight and Balance Spread Sheet --> Kolb-List message posted by: ray anderson An excellent spread sheet for doing weight and balance on taildraggers is found at the enclosed link' http://www.kcdawnpatrol.org/Wghtbal.htm Do not archive Kold UltraStar, Tenn --------------------------------- Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:01:36 AM PST US From: "James, Ken" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Sport pilot test --> Kolb-List message posted by: "James, Ken" thanks Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: Lanny Fetterman [mailto:donaho@csrlink.net] Subject: Kolb-List: Sport pilot test --> Kolb-List message posted by: Lanny Fetterman Ken and all, I downloaded the test questions from http://av-info.faa.gov/data/airmanknowledge/lsp.htm Lanny Do not archive IMPORTANT/CONFIDENTIAL: This communication is intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed. This e-mail contains information from the Berks Career & Technology Center that may be privileged, confidential, and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this communication is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately and permanently delete this message including all attachments. Thank you. ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:02:28 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: broken titan exhaust system From: Erich_Weaver@URSCorp.com 09/28/2005 12:02:12 PM --> Kolb-List message posted by: Erich_Weaver@URSCorp.com I have said this before, but you guys might want to take a hard look at my exhaust system for the 912. I repaired the Titan system three times, then gave up and went to this one. Not even a hint of wear on it. Looks cool as well - nice and compact instead of a tangle of pipe. http://www.rick-thomason.com/ste_003.htm Erich Weaver This e-mail and any attachments are confidential. If you receive this message in error or are not the intended recipient, you should not retain, distribute, disclose or use any of this information and you should destroy the e-mail and any attachments or copies. ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:40:32 AM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: broken titan exhaust system --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" |Looks cool as | well - nice and compact instead of a tangle of pipe. | | http://www.rick-thomason.com/ste_003.htm | | | Erich Weaver Hi Erich/Gang: Cheaper price also. I put about 900 hours on the first set of Titan 912ULS exhaust with excellent results. Got a new set for the 2004 Alaska flight, which had a failed tube last May with about 150 hours on it. Your system seems to eliminate the stress that will be applied to the Titan system should it not line up correctly. Slip fits of your system should last much longer than the long, clamped exhaust tubes on the Titan system. I do like the exhaust note of the Titan over the system you are flying with. Wonder if they could do something about it? ;-) Like comparing a T-28 to an AT-6 exhaust note. Take care, john h MKIII/912ULS ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:57:23 AM PST US From: possums Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Firestar weight and balance info needed --> Kolb-List message posted by: possums > >At 09:48 PM 9/26/2005, you wrote: > >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "jdmurr@juno.com" > > > >I had purchased a 1987 Firestar and have been flying it for two > >months now. I have not done a weight and balance on it because I > >weigh 25 pounds more than the previous owner did. I do notice that > >at cruise and to a lesser degree at idle, I need to keep my stick > >"bungeed" to keep back stick pressure to keep the nose from falling. > >I looked through the documentation and I can't find anything on how > >to check the weight and balance. Does anyone have documentation > >needed for this? Moments, etc? I think I'm nose-heavy, but I don't > >want to assume this. Where is the CG range on the 1987 Firestar? Thanks! > >John Murr > >1987 Firestar Old weight & Balance drawings http://sos.photosite.com/Album1/ ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 10:31:35 AM PST US From: russ kinne Subject: Kolb-List: trim --> Kolb-List message posted by: russ kinne Next time you're near a Bonanza, go to the front and sight down the centerline of the a/c. You'll see that the centerline of the engine is offset a few degrees -- to counteract the "P-factor" caused by the rotating propwash hitting the tail. They knew what they were doing, and made a simple fix, without the drag of trimtabs. ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 11:02:05 AM PST US From: Charles Blackwell Subject: Kolb-List: Banking left --> Kolb-List message posted by: Charles Blackwell This discussion is so much fun I wanted to add in my extra cents on the thread. With my MkII I've also noticed a left banking tendency when flown solo from the left seat.. It is less pronounced when flying solo from the right seat, but noticeable. For me, the conclusion was that my weight shifting was controlling the plane. It is noticeably different if I lean over the centerline of the plane and push with my hand on the other seat. If myself and the passenger both lean forward, the plane wants to dive a bit. If we both lean to one side to see something interesting, the plane understands and turns in that direction unless I compensate with the controls. When flying solo now I use a bungee on the control stick that pulls it to the cage of the frame and takes the pressure off my arm. I got the idea off this list and it works great. I just remove the bungee when flying double. An adjustable tab would have been my second attempt at a correction, adjustable because it needs to compensate only when I am solo. Charlie, MkII in NJ ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 11:33:01 AM PST US From: "pat ladd" Subject: Kolb-List: books --> Kolb-List message posted by: "pat ladd" Hi, I have just ordered a book about flying from Amazon. You probably know that they also recommend books on similar topics when you do that. What did they offer? ``The Killing Zone. Why pilots Die`` Do they know something we dont. very nasty. Quite put me off my tea and crumpets dontcha know? Pat do not archive ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 01:18:21 PM PST US From: "Chris Mallory" Subject: Kolb-List: --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Chris Mallory" I want to thank everyone for all of the great advice (and commentary) as a result of all this great information I have been able to correct the banking problem on my Firestar II by bending the cage slightly, adding a trim tab and ..... I currently fly from a seat attached to the right gear leg. Flies great but I am suspicious that the relocation of the seat may add quite a bit of drag ... but what the hey, it works. Thanks again Chris Mallory (Just kidding) ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 01:37:59 PM PST US From: Robert Noyer Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Weight and Balance Spread Sheet --> Kolb-List message posted by: Robert Noyer I think Ray A's link for W&B calculations should be Archived. Again: http://www.kcdawnpatrol.org/Wghtbal.htm regards, Bob N. ronoy@shentel.net http://www.angelfire.com/rpg/ronoy ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 01:44:53 PM PST US From: "Guy Morgan" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Guy Morgan" >..... I currently fly from a seat attached to the right gear leg. Flies >great but I am suspicious that the relocation of the seat may add quite a >bit of drag ... but what the hey, it works. >Thanks again >Chris Mallory >(Just kidding) Chris, Just tape some vortex generators to your forehead. Guy Morgan DO NOT ARCHIVE Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 01:59:49 PM PST US From: Michael Sharp Subject: RE: Kolb-List: --> Kolb-List message posted by: Michael Sharp Don't forget a shot of SeaFoam before each flight! Do Not Archive Guy Morgan wrote: --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Guy Morgan" >..... I currently fly from a seat attached to the right gear leg. Flies >great but I am suspicious that the relocation of the seat may add quite a >bit of drag ... but what the hey, it works. >Thanks again >Chris Mallory >(Just kidding) Chris, Just tape some vortex generators to your forehead. ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 02:14:18 PM PST US From: "Beauford" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Beauford" Kolbers... Y'all DO realize that this Mallory guy has his airplane trailer tied down on the Manatee Airport directly between George Alexander and yours truly, don't you...? If he begins to sound a lot like "us", there is probably a reason for it.... Beauford Do Not Archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Guy Morgan" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Guy Morgan" > > >>..... I currently fly from a seat attached to the right gear leg. Flies >>great but I am suspicious that the relocation of the seat may add quite a >>bit of drag ... but what the hey, it works. >>Thanks again >>Chris Mallory >>(Just kidding) > > Chris, > Just tape some vortex generators to your forehead. > > Guy Morgan > > DO NOT ARCHIVE > > Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! > http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ > > > ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 02:29:36 PM PST US From: "Chris Mallory" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Chris Mallory" Amen to that !!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Beauford" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Beauford" > > Kolbers... > Y'all DO realize that this Mallory guy has his airplane trailer tied down > on > the Manatee Airport directly between George Alexander and yours truly, > don't > you...? If he begins to sound a lot like "us", there is probably a reason > for it.... > Beauford > Do Not Archive > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Guy Morgan" > To: > Subject: RE: Kolb-List: > > >> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Guy Morgan" >> >> >>>..... I currently fly from a seat attached to the right gear leg. Flies >>>great but I am suspicious that the relocation of the seat may add quite a >>>bit of drag ... but what the hey, it works. >>>Thanks again >>>Chris Mallory >>>(Just kidding) >> >> Chris, >> Just tape some vortex generators to your forehead. >> >> Guy Morgan >> >> DO NOT ARCHIVE >> >> Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! >> http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ >> >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 02:41:20 PM PST US From: "b young" Subject: Kolb-List: trim tabs --> Kolb-List message posted by: "b young" ,,<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< If you really want to get rid of the trim problem with the ailerons , just make new fittings for the wing attach where the wing folds and offset the holes so you can change the angle of attack of each wing....heavy wing leading edge needs to go up.....My ultrastar had a heavy wing but by modifying the square tube that attaches to the cage at the wing spar it can be achieved and still fold the wing as long as you only move the hole a little on each side....one up ...one down...>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> been there and done that and this is my thoughts upon the matter..... when I first flew my mkIII it wanted to roll to the right..... but when it was in straight and level flight the trailing edges of the flaps and ailerons all lined up..... first I tried to adjust some of the roll out by adjusting the flaps... it helped but did not make enough difference.... then I took the wing fold fittings and had the side of the half inch hole welded in a bit and used a file on the other side of the hole to round it back out to fit.... I had to do it on both sides, one up and the other down to change the incidence in the wings.... it then flew hands off,,,,,, BUT not the trailing edges of the flaps and ailerons were no longer lined up...... I ended up with new wing fold fittings and reinstalled the wings and had the same results as I did the first time.... I then installed a trim tab and the results were hands off flying with the trailing edges lined up....... at least for me this was a better fix than adjusting the wing fold fittings..... your milage may vary boyd do not archive ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 02:41:20 PM PST US From: "b young" Subject: Kolb-List: w&b --> Kolb-List message posted by: "b young" Anyone flying a plane without personally performing a correct weight an balance should stop flying immediately and drink beer until they are smart enough to do a weight and balance. It is ridiculous to not do this. You take three weights, and do some very simple math that includes only multiplication, addition and division. There is no excuse to not do a proper weight and balance, using accurate scales. It is only your life you are risking... so no big loss I guess! Do not archive Christopher Armstrong ----------------------------------- I have put together a quatro pro spreadsheet for W&B all you need to do is plug in the moment arms and weights and presto... if anyone would like a copy email me direct boyd ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 03:24:09 PM PST US From: guy truex Subject: Kolb-List: 6" aluminum tube --> Kolb-List message posted by: guy truex I need a 40" long piece of 6" aluminum tube for a home project. It can have holes in it, but it has to be round. I don't care if it is painted or dirty. If any of you have an old piece of 6" tailboom or spar that you would like to part with, please contact me off the list. Thanks. -- Guy airbosss@yahoo.com do not archive --------------------------------- Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 04:57:57 PM PST US From: PENGUIN Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Sport pilot test --> Kolb-List message posted by: PENGUIN Lanny Fetterman wrote: >--> Kolb-List message posted by: Lanny Fetterman > >Ken and all, I downloaded the test questions from >http://av-info.faa.gov/data/airmanknowledge/lsp.htm Lanny Do not >archive > > > IMHO, this is one worth archiving. Penguin ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 05:09:18 PM PST US From: "Denny Rowe" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: broken titan exhaust system --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Denny Rowe" Eric, That is a super clean looking exhaust, also looks very light. Did you build it or purchase it? Denny Rowe > http://www.rick-thomason.com/ste_003.htm > > > Erich Weaver > ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 05:35:54 PM PST US From: "Denny Rowe" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Jabiru Prop Choice --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Denny Rowe" ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Kolb-List: Jabiru Prop Choice > --> Kolb-List message posted by: N27SB@aol.com > > To all, > Bryan Melborn asked me to find info on prop choices for an 80 hp Jab on a > MKIIIX. > He has a customer that does not follow the list. He is currently using a > Sensenich wood prop but it is very noisy. > > Steve > do not archive > > > Steve, Check with Will Tatham, he has a Mk-3 with a 2200. His address is wmtatham@mapllc.com Also, Luray Weacter has a "Bad to the bone" Slingshot with a 2200 on it, I think he is turning a 64 inch Tennesee prop with tapered tips and epoxy coating, his address is Luweac@aol.com Denny Rowe ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 05:42:37 PM PST US From: Mike Schnabel Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Sport pilot test --> Kolb-List message posted by: Mike Schnabel Lanny, the link did not work for me. Is the URL correct? Thanks! Mike S Manchester TN do not archive Lanny Fetterman wrote: --> Kolb-List message posted by: Lanny Fetterman Ken and all, I downloaded the test questions from http://av-info.faa.gov/data/airmanknowledge/lsp.htm Lanny Do not archive --------------------------------- Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 06:19:32 PM PST US From: "jdmurr@juno.com" Subject: Kolb-List: Battery for 503 Starter? --> Kolb-List message posted by: "jdmurr@juno.com" What size, make and model battery should I get for my recently purchased TNK starter? I've used motorcycle batteries in the past (in motorcycles) and they only seemed to last a year. They were lead acid and I assume that I will need a sealed battery. The thought of being bathed in battery acid isn't appealing to me at all if it should spill. I would think a gel-cell or one of the newer type batteries would be better but which one? Suggestions? Thanks in advance! John Murr 1987 Firestar DO NOT ARCHIVE What size, make and model battery shouldI get for my recently purchased TNK starter? I've used motorcycle batteries in the past (in motorcycles) and they only seemed to last a year. They were lead acid and I assume that I will need a sealed battery. The thought of being bathed in battery acid isn't appealing to me at all if it should spill. I would think a gel-cell or one of the newer type batteries would be better but which one? Suggestions? Thanks in advance! John Murr 1987 Firestar DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 07:36:04 PM PST US From: N27SB@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: 6" aluminum tube --> Kolb-List message posted by: N27SB@aol.com In a message dated 9/28/2005 6:25:00 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, airbosss@yahoo.com writes: I need a 40" long piece of 6" aluminum tube Check with Travis at TNK. They should have some scrap. Steve do not archive ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 07:40:13 PM PST US From: Lanny Fetterman Subject: Kolb-List: Sport pilot test --> Kolb-List message posted by: Lanny Fetterman Mike you may have to start at av-info.faa.gov I downloaded the test about two months ago, so I`m not sure where I went first when I found it. The URL is correct as it is printed at the bottom of each page I printed out. Hope this helps. Lanny ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 07:59:18 PM PST US From: Lanny Fetterman Subject: Kolb-List: Starter battery --> Kolb-List message posted by: Lanny Fetterman John, I have a 503 with an Air drive starter ( no longer made). I use a 17 amp gel cell that I bought at a local battery store. I paid about half what the aircraft supply people charge. This is year four for this battery, always turns the engine over real good. I always hook up a solar charger to it when it`s sitting in the hanger. I put the solar panel in the hanger window, I had to lengthen the wires to reach, but it seems to work. I think the battery is made by powersonic but I would have to check to be sure. Only drawback is, it is very heavy, however the FSII still is the fastest climbing aircraft at our small airport. Hope this helps Lanny