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1. 12:15 AM - Re: Inflight pull start (Larry Bourne)
2. 02:17 AM - Re: I'm back (survived Katrina) (John Cooley)
3. 02:44 AM - Re: Battery for 503 Starter? (pat ladd)
4. 03:50 AM - Re: In flight restart with rope (Kirk Smith)
5. 04:22 AM - bats (Ted Cowan)
6. 05:39 AM - Re: I'm back (survived Katrina) (Todd Fredricks)
7. 06:00 AM - Re: In flight restart with rope (woody)
8. 07:19 AM - In flight restart with rope (Richard Pike)
9. 05:02 PM - 503 DCDI Question (jdmurr@juno.com)
10. 05:05 PM - Fuse size for electric starter (jdmurr@juno.com)
11. 07:22 PM - Re: 503 DCDI Question (Denny Rowe)
12. 09:24 PM - Re: W&B (Mike Schnabel)
13. 11:51 PM - Official Usage Guideline [Please Read] [Monthly Posting] (dralle@matronics.com)
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| Subject: | Re: Inflight pull start |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Harrrr...........I liked that line, "aided by adrenaline." I'll BET you
were pulling, Roger. Good on you. Lar. Do not
Archive.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Building Kolb Mk III
N78LB Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
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From: "Roger" <rphanks@grantspass.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: Inflight pull start
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Roger" <rphanks@grantspass.com>
>
> Pat:
>
> I've got one of those string start things too. Passed the inflight
> restart test on the third flight (first pull). I did get a little nervous
> one thermally day in Northern California though. I rode a big boomer up
> to 5000'agl and shut the idling engine off to see if I could climb without
> it. I stayed in it long enough for the engine to cool down, but forgot to
> pull the choke on. The extra pulls required were aided by adrenaline, but
> my shoulders were sore for a few days. Electronic ignition takes a pretty
> good spin to spark well.
>
> Roger in Oregon
>
> p.s. I did have a safe field under me before shutdown
>
> Do Not Archive
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>
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| Subject: | I'm back (survived Katrina) |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Cooley" <johnc@datasync.com>
Thanks Denny. I was very blessed that the storm stayed west of me 40 miles
or so. Had minimal damage to the house, lost a few shingles etc. I work on
the coast 37 miles south with people that lost everything they own from the
wind and storm surge. Some of them that wasn't even in a flood zone had up
to 6 ~ 8 ft of water in their homes. Some others look's like a bomb exploded
inside or worse. My first few days back to work after the storm was spent in
the community delivering ice, water, food, gas, generators etc. that my
company kindly purchased. It was a somber experience. We also kept the local
emergency agencies, hospital, and employees etc. fueled during the whole
aftermath ordeal at no charge to anyone. We have built a facility
(self-contained city) called Camp Chevron to house displaced employees and
contractors. Chevron has really stepped up to the plate in our community
here to help folks and I am proud to work for such a company that will help
it's employees and the community the way we have helped them.
Just to be sure this is Kolb related, my three planes survived the storm
also with no damage.
Have a Great Day,
John Cooley
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Denny Rowe" <rowedl@highstream.net>
Welcome back John!
Glad to hear you are alright.
Denny Rowe
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| Subject: | Re: Battery for 503 Starter? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "pat ladd" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
How's aerial restarts? Work pretty good?>>
Nice one John,
I reckon that at the heights I usually fly if the engine stops it is 90%
sure to stay stopped because by the time I have lined up for a field and got
the flaps down its too late. I am sure as Death and Texas not going to
switch off in the air to find out.
Cheers
Pat
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| Subject: | Re: In flight restart with rope |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kirk Smith" <snuffy@usol.com>
>
> Cept for the part where you have a kevlar bridal on the chute so it
> dosen't get cut by the prop. Why would you pull the chute for a simple
> engine out unless you have a major balance problem :<(
I'm joking Woody..........
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Ted Cowan <trc1917@direcway.com>
I believe a pulse type charger as was mentioned by Neilsen is probably a
good one. Only charges to the (probably preset) peak and then shuts down.
Recharges occasionally to keep peak. There is a point in bat life where it
is a normal 'high' and then there is a 'peak' charge that is referred to a
surface charge. That surface charge is the one that burns off by itself
fairly quickly. You do not want to keep your bat in the state of 'peak'.
That is where it is a dangerous animal. I use pulse chargers a lot. They
do just as they sound, charge and shut down, charge and shut down. Still
gotta be careful at what amp rate we use. This info is basically meant for
the novice who has no clue or requires a little more knowledge of what he is
doing. The other, "I am an engineer and I know everything" type person,
please disregard because you rewrite your own safety rules.
If nothing else gets to you just think of being down, hit nose first,
unfortunate damage to your feet (first thing that hits the ground), ankles,
legs, open wounds and then having bat acid poured on the wounds. Yummy,
sounds like something I would like. That stuff will eat through your skin
really fast and it hurts like crazy when you have a hangnail and work with
it so I wouldnt want it poured over a wound. Your choice. Be smart. There
is a reason why the FAA doesnt like liquid bats. Okay, the real smart guys
can now tell me how wrong I am. I have big shoulders, go ahead, take your
punch. Ted Cowan.
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| Subject: | Re: I'm back (survived Katrina) |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Todd Fredricks <flyingfox@copper.net>
I'm slated for my Guard rotation down there in November and given what I
have seen so far on tv I cannot imagine the way it must feel to actually
have to live there right now and try to sort out your homes and communities.
Best wishes,
Todd
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On 10/1/05 5:17 AM, "John Cooley" <johnc@datasync.com> wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Cooley" <johnc@datasync.com>
>
> Thanks Denny. I was very blessed that the storm stayed west of me 40 miles
> or so. Had minimal damage to the house, lost a few shingles etc. I work on
> the coast 37 miles south with people that lost everything they own from the
> wind and storm surge. Some of them that wasn't even in a flood zone had up
> to 6 ~ 8 ft of water in their homes. Some others look's like a bomb exploded
> inside or worse. My first few days back to work after the storm was spent in
> the community delivering ice, water, food, gas, generators etc. that my
> company kindly purchased. It was a somber experience. We also kept the local
> emergency agencies, hospital, and employees etc. fueled during the whole
> aftermath ordeal at no charge to anyone. We have built a facility
> (self-contained city) called Camp Chevron to house displaced employees and
> contractors. Chevron has really stepped up to the plate in our community
> here to help folks and I am proud to work for such a company that will help
> it's employees and the community the way we have helped them.
> Just to be sure this is Kolb related, my three planes survived the storm
> also with no damage.
>
> Have a Great Day,
> John Cooley
>
> Do not archive
>
>
> Denny Rowe" <rowedl@highstream.net>
>
> Welcome back John!
> Glad to hear you are alright.
>
> Denny Rowe
> do not archive
>
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| Subject: | Re: In flight restart with rope |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "woody" <duesouth@govital.net>
OOOOPs
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kirk Smith" <snuffy@usol.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: In flight restart with rope
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kirk Smith" <snuffy@usol.com>
>
>
> >
> > Cept for the part where you have a kevlar bridal on the chute so it
> > dosen't get cut by the prop. Why would you pull the chute for a simple
> > engine out unless you have a major balance problem :<(
>
>
> I'm joking Woody..........
>
> Do not archive
>
>
> --
>
>
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| Subject: | In flight restart with rope |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org>
I have an electric starter on the MKIII, and have flown with the electric
starter on the FSII, and doubt I would give them up to save weight. But if
I did, here is how I would do it. -
Back when Maxair was still building airplanes, they had pull starters on
the Hummer and Drifter that located the pull start handle down around your
knee so that when you pulled it, you pulled from around your knee toward
your chest. That is a much more - can't think of the right word - human
physics-friendly sort of pull than pulling forward from over your shoulder.
Pulling up toward your chest with both hands you could really spin that
sucker over, and could easily start the engine while sitting in the seat.
Several times I shut my Rotax 277 down in flight and floated quietly around
(with a suitably large field within range) because it was easy to start in
flight. But then a Hummer would fly hands off straight and level - which is
a requirement for practical restarting in flight, because it allows you to
use both hands.
So the other thing I would do is crank in enough dihedral so that the Kolb
would fly hands off while I was playing Tarzan with the pull starter. The
FSII in the hangar next to mine has a bunch of dihedral and flies hands off
quite well. All we did was make the thick walled tube at the end of the
lift struts a bit longer.
(And if you want to experiment with what if feels like to fly with more
dihedral, and want to try longer lift struts, order a length of .080 wall
thickness chromoly from Aircraft Spruce of the same outside diameter as
your factory strut fittings, cut it into two lengths a couple inches longer
than your original strut ends, take one end and get it red hot and hammer
it out flat, make it look like the one from the factory. Make sure you
drill the holes for the mounting bolts in the two pieces EXACTLY in the
same places as your originals. That way you can put it back stock if you
try it and don't like it. If your Kolb has jury struts, they might not be
the right length afterward, don't know. Don't forget to check your ailerons
for proper adjustment, although I doubt they would change. Cheap, easy, and
interesting experiment. Have fun.)
Rerouting the location of the pull start handle would obviously require a
bit of welding and routing of cables (Maxair used aircraft cable through
and around standard aircraft pulleys instead of the rope) but if you were
serious about saving the weight, it wouldn't be that hard.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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| Subject: | 503 DCDI Question |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "jdmurr@juno.com" <jdmurr@juno.com>
I'm in the process of installing my electric starter with an ignition switch.
There are two leads coming off the switch that go to the two mags. There is also
a ground lead going to the switch. I can cycle through the switch and close
the circuit on each mag like expected across each lead and the ground.
However, when I put a continuity checker across the existing mag toggle switches
they are closed. When I throw the switch they are still closed. I thought
the switched closed the circuit and shorted out the ignition and the other direction
the circuit is open and the engine runs?
The are three wires coming to the two toggle switches from the engine. Each existing
toggle switch has three posts with one not used. One wire goes to the center
post and jumps to the center post of the second switch. The other two wires
go to each of the toggle switches.
Based on this, I assume the wire going to the center post is the common ground.
Then why is the circuit closed across each switch no matter which way the switch
is thrown? It seems to always be closed no matter what. Am I missing something
here??
John Murr
1987 Firestar
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I'm in the process of installing my electric starter with an ignition switch. There
are two leads coming off the switch that go to the two mags. There is also
a ground lead going to the switch. I can cycle through the switch and close
the circuit on each mag like expected across each lead and the ground.
However, when I put a continuity checker across the existing mag toggle switches
they are closed. When I throw the switch they are still closed. I thought the
switched closed the circuit and shorted out the ignition and the other direction
the circuit is open and the engine runs?
The are three wires coming to the two toggle switches from the engine. Each existing
toggle switch has three posts with one not used. One wire goes to the center
post and jumps to the center post of the second switch. The other two wires
go to each of the toggle switches.
Based on this, I assume the wire going to the center post is the common ground.
Then why is the circuit closed across each switch no matter which way the switch
is thrown? It seems to always be closed no matter what. Am I missing something
here??
John Murr
1987 Firestar
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| Subject: | Fuse size for electric starter |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "jdmurr@juno.com" <jdmurr@juno.com>
TNK couldn't help me and there are no instructions. What size fuse should I use?
I am using 8 gauge wire.
John Murr
1987 Firestar
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TNK couldn't help me and there are no instructions. What size fuse should I use?
I am using 8 gauge wire.
John Murr
1987 Firestar
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| Subject: | Re: 503 DCDI Question |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Denny Rowe" <rowedl@highstream.net>
switch has three posts with one not used. One wire goes to the center post
and jumps to the center post of the second switch. The other two wires go
to each of the toggle switches.
> Based on this, I assume the wire going to the center post is the common
> ground. Then why is the circuit closed across each switch no matter which
> way the switch is thrown? It seems to always be closed no matter what.
> Am I missing something here??
> John Murr
> 1987 Firestar
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
> John,
Sounds like one of your two switches is installed backward.
You want to use the normally open contacts of each switch.
Denny Rowe, Mk-3 PA
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Mike Schnabel <tnfirestar2@yahoo.com>
Boyd, I think i received the file, but also think i accidentally deleted it...
:-(
Can you resend it?
Thanks!
Mike S
Manchester TN
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b young <by0ung@brigham.net> wrote:
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "b young"
i have sent out the quatro pro spreadsheet for W&B for all that have requested
it...... if i have missed any please let me know.
boyd
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