---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 10/02/05: 10 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:24 AM - Re: 503 DCDI Question (jdmurr@juno.com) 2. 04:32 AM - W&B (jdmurr@juno.com) 3. 05:29 AM - Re: W&B (Dan Charter) 4. 05:35 AM - Re: 503 DCDI Question (Kirk Smith) 5. 08:37 AM - Re: 503 DCDI Question (Larry Bourne) 6. 08:39 AM - Re: 503 DCDI Question (jdmurr@juno.com) 7. 08:40 AM - Re: W&B (jdmurr@juno.com) 8. 09:05 AM - Re: 503 DCDI Question (Larry Bourne) 9. 10:00 AM - Re: 503 DCDI Question (Kirk Smith) 10. 03:30 PM - Re: 503 DCDI Question (jdmurr@juno.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:24:53 AM PST US From: "jdmurr@juno.com" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: 503 DCDI Question --> Kolb-List message posted by: "jdmurr@juno.com" Denny, These are the switches I'm replacing and they work correctly so it can't be installed wrong. The mag. check during run-up shows this. > John, Sounds like one of your two switches is installed backward. You want to use the normally open contacts of each switch. Denny Rowe, Mk-3 PA DO NOT ARCHIVE Denny, These are the switches I'm replacing and they work correctly so it can't be installed wrong. The mag. check during run-up shows this. John, Soundslikeoneofyourtwoswitchesisinstalledbackward. Youwanttousethenormallyopencontactsofeachswitch. DennyRowe,Mk-3PA DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:32:07 AM PST US From: "jdmurr@juno.com" Subject: Kolb-List: W&B --> Kolb-List message posted by: "jdmurr@juno.com" I did the weight and balance yesterday. The Firestar documentation says it should be between 20% and 37% CG. I'm at 33%, which is farther aft than I expected. I was going to go on a diet and lose 15 pounds, but this would shift the CG back further. So more pizza and beer will actually help!!! I also used the Excel spread sheet send previously to measure the CG and it is 21.5 inches from the leading edge, which does seem aft as calculated by Dennis Souder's calculations. I guess it's because of the heavier 503 hanging on the back. FWIW, the plane weighs 253.889 lbs. ;-) John Murr 1987 Firestar DO NOT ARCHIVE I did the weight and balance yesterday. The Firestar documentation says it should be between 20% and 37% CG. I'm at 33%, which is farther aft than I expected. I was going to go on a diet and lose 15 pounds, but this would shift the CG back further. So more pizza and beer will actually help!!! I also used the Excel spread sheet send previously to measure the CG and it is 21.5 inches from the leading edge, which does seem aft as calculated by Dennis Souder's calculations. I guess it's because of the heavier 503 hanging on the back. FWIW, the plane weighs 253.889 lbs. ;-) John Murr 1987 Firestar DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:29:21 AM PST US From: "Dan Charter" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: W&B --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dan Charter" Wow, 253. That's got to be the lightest "87" Firestar in the world. Mine is around 330 lb with a 377. How did you do it? Do not archive. Dan Charter "86" FS 1 ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Kolb-List: W&B > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "jdmurr@juno.com" > > > I did the weight and balance yesterday. The Firestar documentation says it should be between 20% and 37% CG. I'm at 33%, which is farther aft than I expected. I was going to go on a diet and lose 15 pounds, but this would shift the CG back further. So more pizza and beer will actually help!!! > I also used the Excel spread sheet send previously to measure the CG and it is 21.5 inches from the leading edge, which does seem aft as calculated by Dennis Souder's calculations. > I guess it's because of the heavier 503 hanging on the back. > FWIW, the plane weighs 253.889 lbs. ;-) > John Murr > 1987 Firestar > DO NOT ARCHIVE > > > I did the weight and balance yesterday. The Firestar documentation says it should be between 20% and 37% CG. I'm at 33%, which is farther aft than I expected. I was going to go on a diet and lose 15 pounds, but this would shift the CG back further. So more pizza and beer will actually help!!! > > > I also used the Excel spread sheet send previously to measure the CG and it is 21.5 inches from the leading edge, which does seem aft as calculated by Dennis Souder's calculations. > > > I guess it's because of the heavier 503 hanging on the back. > > > FWIW, the plane weighs 253.889 lbs. ;-) > > > John Murr > 1987 Firestar > > > DO NOT ARCHIVE > > > -- > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:35:13 AM PST US From: "Kirk Smith" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: 503 DCDI Question --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kirk Smith" > > ground. Then why is the circuit closed across each switch no matter which > > way the switch is thrown? It seems to always be closed no matter what. > > Am I missing something here?? > > John Murr Sounds like maybe you are just reading the coil with your tester. How many ohms are you reading? Do not archive ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:37:07 AM PST US From: "Larry Bourne" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: 503 DCDI Question --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" I'm not familiar with your specific application, but generally with an on-off toggle switch, having the toggle one way will open the points, the other will close them. There ARE on-on switches made, and possibly "on" one way would complete the ignition circuit, and the other could ground the coil. You'd hafta trace the wiring. On a 3 pole switch, they are usually on-off-on, (closed/open/closed working from the center terminal) and should show that with an ohmeter. Often, checking a component in-place will feedback thru the circuits and give a false reading. Best way - if you haven't already done it - would be to disconnect that center wire and then test the switch. Hope this helps. Lar. Do not Archive. Larry Bourne Palm Springs, CA Building Kolb Mk III N78LB Vamoose www.gogittum.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Kolb-List: 503 DCDI Question > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "jdmurr@juno.com" > > I'm in the process of installing my electric starter with an ignition > switch. There are two leads coming off the switch that go to the two > mags. There is also a ground lead going to the switch. I can cycle through > the switch and close the circuit on each mag like expected across each > lead and the ground. ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:39:33 AM PST US From: "jdmurr@juno.com" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: 503 DCDI Question --> Kolb-List message posted by: "jdmurr@juno.com" I'm using an audible continuity checker. I'm not reading ohms. -- "Kirk Smith" wrote: --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kirk Smith" > > ground. Then why is the circuit closed across each switch no matter which > > way the switch is thrown? It seems to always be closed no matter what. > > Am I missing something here?? > > John Murr Sounds like maybe you are just reading the coil with your tester. How many ohms are you reading? Do not archive I'm using an audible continuity checker. I'm not reading ohms. --"KirkSmith"snuffy@usol.comwrote: --Kolb-Listmessagepostedby:"KirkSmith"snuffy@usol.com ground.Thenwhyisthecircuitclosedacrosseachswitchnomatter which waytheswitchisthrown?Itseemstoalwaysbeclosednomatterwhat. AmImissingsomethinghere?? JohnMurr Soundslikemaybeyouarejustreadingthecoilwithyourtester.Howmany ohmsareyoureading? Donotarchive ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:40:11 AM PST US From: "jdmurr@juno.com" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: W&B --> Kolb-List message posted by: "jdmurr@juno.com" I installed helium tanks in the wing! -- "Dan Charter" wrote: --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dan Charter" Wow, 253. That's got to be the lightest "87" Firestar in the world. Mine is around 330 lb with a 377. How did you do it? Do not archive. Dan Charter "86" FS 1 ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Kolb-List: W&B > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "jdmurr@juno.com" > > > I did the weight and balance yesterday. The Firestar documentation says it should be between 20% and 37% CG. I'm at 33%, which is farther aft than I expected. I was going to go on a diet and lose 15 pounds, but this would shift the CG back further. So more pizza and beer will actually help!!! > I also used the Excel spread sheet send previously to measure the CG and it is 21.5 inches from the leading edge, which does seem aft as calculated by Dennis Souder's calculations. > I guess it's because of the heavier 503 hanging on the back. > FWIW, the plane weighs 253.889 lbs. ;-) > John Murr > 1987 Firestar > DO NOT ARCHIVE > > > I did the weight and balance yesterday. The Firestar documentation says it should be between 20% and 37% CG. I'm at 33%, which is farther aft than I expected. I was going to go on a diet and lose 15 pounds, but this would shift the CG back further. So more pizza and beer will actually help!!! > > > I also used the Excel spread sheet send previously to measure the CG and it is 21.5 inches from the leading edge, which does seem aft as calculated by Dennis Souder's calculations. > > > I guess it's because of the heavier 503 hanging on the back. > > > FWIW, the plane weighs 253.889 lbs. ;-) > > > John Murr > 1987 Firestar > > > DO NOT ARCHIVE > > > -- > > I installed helium tanks in the wing! --"DanCharter"lndc@fnbcnet.comwrote: --Kolb-Listmessagepostedby:"DanCharter"lndc@fnbcnet.com Wow,253.That'sgottobethelightest"87"Firestarintheworld.Mineis around330lbwitha377.Howdidyoudoit?Donotarchive. DanCharter "86"FS1 -----OriginalMessage----- From:jdmurr@juno.com To:kolb-list@matronics.com Subject:Kolb-List:WB --Kolb-Listmessagepostedby:"jdmurr@juno.com"jdmurr@juno.com Ididtheweightandbalanceyesterday.TheFirestardocumentationsay s itshouldbebetween20%and37%CG.I'mat33%,whichisfartheraftthan Iexpected.Iwasgoingtogoonadietandlose15pounds,butthiswould shifttheCGbackfurther.Somorepizzaandbeerwillactuallyhelp!!! IalsousedtheExcelspreadsheetsendpreviouslytomeasuretheCGand itis21.5inchesfromtheleadingedge,whichdoesseemaftascalculated byDennisSouder'scalculations. Iguessit'sbecauseoftheheavier503hangingontheback. FWIW,theplaneweigh s253.889lbs.;-) JohnMurr 1987Firestar DONOTARCHIVE Ididtheweightandbalanceyesterday.TheFirestardocumentationsaysit shouldbebetween20%and37%CG.I'mat33%,whichisfartheraftthanI expected.Iwasgoingtogoonadietandlose15pounds,butthiswould shifttheCGbackfurther.Somorepizzaandbeerwillactuallyhelp!!! IalsousedtheExcelspreadsheetsendpreviouslytomeasuretheCGand itis21.5inchesfromtheleadinged ge,whichdoesseemaftascalculated byDennisSouder'scalculations. Iguessit'sbecauseoftheheavier503hangingontheback. FWIW,theplaneweighs253.889lbs.;-) JohnMurr 1987Firestar DONOTARCHIVE -- p;Download,7-DayBrowse,Chat,FAQ, ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:05:56 AM PST US From: "Larry Bourne" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: 503 DCDI Question --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" I got to thinking about this after I sent it, and on-on couldn't work. If center terminal goes to ground, flipping the toggle one way *could* complete the ignition circuit, the other way *could* ground the mags, BUT when 1 side is closed, the other would have to be open. Try disconnecting the switch, then testing it. Lar. Do not Archive. Larry Bourne Palm Springs, CA Building Kolb Mk III N78LB Vamoose www.gogittum.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Bourne" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: 503 DCDI Question > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" > > I'm not familiar with your specific application, but generally with an > on-off toggle switch, having the toggle one way will open the points, the > other will close them. There ARE on-on switches made, and ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 10:00:17 AM PST US From: "Kirk Smith" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: 503 DCDI Question --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kirk Smith" > I'm using an audible continuity checker. I'm not reading ohms. > Perhaps an ohm meter could help solve the problem. Do not archive ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 03:30:23 PM PST US From: "jdmurr@juno.com" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: 503 DCDI Question --> Kolb-List message posted by: "jdmurr@juno.com" That's exactly what I did today and I got the results I expected. After some fiddling with the ground wires I was able to get it to work. The starter works great. Definitely a worthwhile investment! Thanks to everyone for their help! >Best way - if you >haven't already done it - would be to disconnect that center wire and then >test the switch. Hope this helps. Do not Archive. That's exactly what I did today and I got the results I expected. After some fiddling with the ground wires I was able to get it to work. The starter works great.Definitely a worthwhile investment! Thanks to everyone for their help! Bestway-ifyou haven'talreadydoneit-wouldbetodisconnectthatcenterwireandthen testtheswitch.Hopethishelps. DonotArchive.