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1. 06:06 AM - Re: Michigan Thumb Tour photos (Arksey@aol.com)
2. 07:45 AM - Re: Re:SMLA Fly-In - TFR? (John Williamson)
3. 08:08 AM - Re: Re:SMLA Fly-In - TFR? (John Cooley)
4. 08:22 AM - Re: Exhaust Gas Temperature Probe Placement Question (Jack B. Hart)
5. 08:59 AM - [Fw: [carolinasportflyers] Carolina Sport Flyers Annual Fall fly-in (bryan green)
6. 09:28 AM - Re: Exhaust Gas Temperature Probe Placement Question (Jim Baker)
7. 04:54 PM - VG's Again (Larry Cottrell)
8. 05:14 PM - Re: VG's Again (russ kinne)
9. 06:56 PM - free of the tether (robert bean)
10. 08:29 PM - Re: free of the tether (Larry Bourne)
11. 08:39 PM - Re: VG's Again (HShack@aol.com)
12. 09:44 PM - What and Where the word " Tailfeather" (sada)
13. 10:02 PM - Re: What and Where the word " Tailfeather" (Larry Bourne)
14. 10:37 PM - Re: VG's Again (Larry Cottrell)
15. 10:49 PM - Re: VG's Again (Larry Cottrell)
16. 11:07 PM - Re: What and Where the word " Tailfeather" (sada)
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| Subject: | Re: Michigan Thumb Tour photos |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Arksey@aol.com
thanks for the pictures, looks like you guys had fun.
do not archive
jim swan
Eaton Rapids, MI
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| Subject: | RE:SMLA Fly-In - TFR? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Williamson" <kolbrapilot2@comcast.net>
Looks like all the Gulf Coast TPF's have been lifted.
Have a great Fly-In.
John Williamson
Arlington, TX
Kolb Kolbra, Rotax 912ULS, 957 hours
http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot1
kolbrapilot2@comcast.net
do not archive
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| Subject: | RE:SMLA Fly-In - TFR? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Cooley" <johnc@datasync.com>
Hi John,
You have good timing. I had just gotten off the phone with South Ms. Asking
about the fly-in and the restrictions. They informed me that they had been
lifted and about the time I hung up with them I got a new email message as
if on queue. Hope to see ya'll there.
Do not archive
John Cooley
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[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Williamson
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: RE:SMLA Fly-In - TFR?
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Williamson"
<kolbrapilot2@comcast.net>
Looks like all the Gulf Coast TPF's have been lifted.
Have a great Fly-In.
John Williamson
Arlington, TX
Kolb Kolbra, Rotax 912ULS, 957 hours
http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot1
kolbrapilot2@comcast.net
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| Subject: | Re: Exhaust Gas Temperature Probe Placement Question |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jack B. Hart" <jbhart@onlyinternet.net>
KOlbers, George, Robert & Jim,
Thank you for spinning me around a little. In the unpacked moving cartons,
I found my Bing book and reviewed the chart of needles. Basically the 11H2
needle taper does not start until the throttle is over 30% open, and the
engine is running most of the time below 30% due to an oversized carburetor.
The peaky area is between 20% and 30%. This region is influenced mostly by
the throttle valve cutaway and to with the pilot valve showing decreasing
influence and the needle and needle jet showing increasing influence. The
diagram shows that the needle and jet influence can start as low as 12.5%
open throttle. If this is so then I should be able to re profile the 11H2
needle and to richen the mixture.
Since I have a throttle position indicator, I can return the throttle to the
position where the peakiness starts and by removing the main jet, measure
the distance up to the bottom of the needle. Then by measurement of the
distance from the same surface to the top of the needle jet orifice, I
should be able to locate the area from which to remove material from the
needle. Reassemble and fly and check to see if the start of the peakiness
starts at a higher rpm.
Probably if I had not leaned out the idle, I would not have this problem,
but a reed valve engine does not like to run rich. I was having problems
with the engine spooling up from a closed throttle and the engine wanting to
quit on final after the throttle was closed. I have removed the carburetor
inlet bib that was used to prevent fuel dripping onto the wing. Since
installing the heavy throttle slide spring and the smaller pilot jet the bib
does not seem to be required.
Until I try to re profile the 11H2 needle, I am going to hold off on
installing a second EGT probe. It will take a while to do. Sowing lawns,
and will be travelling this weekend.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
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coming soon.]
| Subject: | [Fwd: [carolinasportflyers] Carolina Sport Flyers Annual Fall |
fly-in
coming soon.]
--> Kolb-List message posted by: bryan green <lgreen1@sc.rr.com>
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| Subject: | Re: Exhaust Gas Temperature Probe Placement Question |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jim Baker" <jlbaker@telepath.com>
> The peaky area is between 20% and 30%.
You're hitting 5200 at 20 to 30% throttle? Thought this was a 60 to
80% problem..........Ah, well.....
> I should be
> able to re profile the 11H2 needle and to richen the mixture.
May I suggest jewelers rouge, white or red. You won't want to take
off very much......
Jim Baker
580.788.2779
'71 SV, 492TC
Elmore City, OK
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Cottrell" <lcottrel@kfalls.net>
Just got back recently form our annual unofficial fly-in at the Alvord Desert.
Weather for the most part was good although we did have a day of rain that translated
to snow on the top of the Mountain.( 10,000 ft) Roger Hankins had given
me 10 VG's made from Lexan and I wanted to try them on the false ribs this
time. The originals were put on the ribs (14 of them). My original stall was at
46 mph and with the original installation it lowered the stall to 36 mph solo
and 46 double. OK this time remembering Mr. Pikes missive I decided to install
the new ones with the back even with the front of the old ones. (Original placement
was 11 inches back from the leading edge measured over the curve) On
testing I found that the stall was further reduced to 32 MPH solo and 36 with
a 160 lb passenger. Joa, from "Land Shorter" (sells VG's and tundra tires) was
at the fly-in and I asked where he recommended placing the VG;s and he said
that they placed them at the CG of the wing. Being very satisfied with the results
I did no further testing, just did a lot of flying.
Larry, Oregon
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: russ kinne <kinnepix@earthlink.net>
Larry
Can't help but ask what all this did to the normal, cruise speed?
Russ
Do Not Archive
On Oct 5, 2005, at 7:53 PM, Larry Cottrell wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Cottrell" <lcottrel@kfalls.net>
>
> Just got back recently form our annual unofficial fly-in at the Alvord
> Desert. Weather for the most part was good although we did have a day
> of rain that translated to snow on the top of the Mountain.( 10,000
> ft) Roger Hankins had given me 10 VG's made from Lexan and I wanted
> to try them on the false ribs this time. The originals were put on the
> ribs (14 of them). My original stall was at 46 mph and with the
> original installation it lowered the stall to 36 mph solo and 46
> double. OK this time remembering Mr. Pikes missive I decided to
> install the new ones with the back even with the front of the old
> ones. (Original placement was 11 inches back from the leading edge
> measured over the curve) On testing I found that the stall was further
> reduced to 32 MPH solo and 36 with a 160 lb passenger. Joa, from
> "Land Shorter" (sells VG's and tundra tires) was at the fly-in and I
> asked where he recommended placing the VG;s and he said that they
> placed them at the CG of the wing. Being!
> very satisfied with the results I did no further testing, just did a
> lot of flying.
>
> Larry, Oregon
>
>
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| Subject: | free of the tether |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
Kolbers, today I logged the 40 hours. I've been lucky with perfect
weather.
Glad that part is over because it tends to turn pleasure into a "must
do"
chore. I'm supposed to enter some kind of numbers in the book for
various V speeds. -and my recent W&B.
The Kolb high thrust line is no problem at all for normal climb,
descent,
landing, etc. But it is noticeable at cruise. It seems to have a
happy spot
on the tach, well below WOT, where it seems to want to coast along
effortlessly. Additional thrust just sort of neutralizes itself and
makes a
lot of noise for little additional speed, unless I go full throttle.
Hardly
worth it. Besides my pitot encounters a turbulence when I go faster
and after about 65 flutters into uselessness.
Guess I'll have to work on that.
Right now its good enough until storage time.
-BB do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: free of the tether |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Nice going, Bob. Now that you're a free man, where are you gonna head for
?? Big Lar..........still pecking away........
Do not Archive.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Building Kolb Mk III
N78LB Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "robert bean" <slyck@frontiernet.net>
Subject: Kolb-List: free of the tether
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
>
> Kolbers, today I logged the 40 hours. I've been lucky with perfect
> weather.
> Glad that part is over because it tends to turn pleasure into a "must
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: HShack@aol.com
In a message dated 10/5/2005 7:55:20 PM Eastern Standard Time,
lcottrel@kfalls.net writes:
Just got back recently form our annual unofficial fly-in at the Alvord
Desert. Weather for the most part was good although we did have a day of rain that
translated to snow on the top of the Mountain.( 10,000 ft) Roger Hankins had
given me 10 VG's made from Lexan and I wanted to try them on the false ribs
this time. The originals were put on the ribs (14 of them). My original stall was
at 46 mph and with the original installation it lowered the stall to 36 mph
solo and 46 double. OK this time remembering Mr. Pikes missive I decided to
install the new ones with the back even with the front of the old ones. (Original
placement was 11 inches back from the leading edge measured over the curve)
On testing I found that the stall was further reduced to 32 MPH solo and 36
with a 160 lb passenger. Joa, from "Land Shorter" (sells VG's and tundra tires)
was at the fly-in and I asked where he recommended placing the VG;s and he
said that they placed them at the CG of the wing. Being!
very satisfied with the results I did no further testing, just did a lot of
flying.
Larry, Oregon
I hope that all you guys who are installing way more than 7 [pairs] of VG's
per wing will be very careful in approaching your new, low stall speed. The
recovery from the new lower stall may be very different from the previous stall
with only 7 VG's.
My FS II's original stall speed [sans VG's] was 42 mph with a nice smooth
recovery- nose just drops a little & she starts flying again.
After installing the 7 VG's of my own design on each main rib of both wings,
stall dropped to 36 mph with the same smooth recovery.
Great!! If 7 is great, then 20- something should be fantastic!! I added a
VG at every false rib at the same distance back. Stall was now only 32 mph,
but now, when she did stall, everything quit flying & the plane just fell!! It
dropped a wing & acted like it wanted to spin. Scared me............
If I had been within 50 ft. AGL when she stalled I would have been in
trouble. I quickly removed the VG's from the false ribs; the 4 mph lowering of
stall
was not worth it to me.
Howard Shackleford
FS II
SC
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| Subject: | What and Where the word " Tailfeather" |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: sada <phoenix@ja2.so-net.ne.jp>
Hello sir.
I'm now reading the book of covering.
Just teach me the word " tailfeather" typed in that book.
No listed such word on dictionaries , nor WEB translation english to
japanese.
So, where it "tailfeather" located(indicated) and what is the similar
word in English.
I hope any person to reply this enquiry,
thanks.
sada, near Centrair airport (NGO) japan
Most recently Wright brothers invented replica glider hanged on top
ceiling in NGO.
With the name of WILBA and ORVIL Approach Final FIX points, brothers
maybe delightful.
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| Subject: | Re: What and Where the word " Tailfeather" |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Welcome to the List. Tailfeathers is what we call the assembly of
horizontal and vertical stabilizers, rudder, and elevators. They're on the
tail of the plane, and if it were a bird, they'd have feathers. How long
have you been working on your plane ?? Which one are you building ?? I'd
(and I'm sure many others) would be interested in hearing more about
yourself, and how you got started building a Kolb. Good Luck.
Lar. Do not Archive.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Building Kolb Mk III
N78LB Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "sada" <phoenix@ja2.so-net.ne.jp>
Subject: Kolb-List: What and Where the word " Tailfeather"
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: sada <phoenix@ja2.so-net.ne.jp>
>
> Hello sir.
>
> I'm now reading the book of covering.
>
> Just teach me the word " tailfeather" typed in that book.
> No listed such word on dictionaries , nor WEB translation english to
> japanese.
> So, where it "tailfeather" located(indicated) and what is the similar
> word in English.
>
> I hope any person to reply this enquiry,
> thanks.
>
> sada, near Centrair airport (NGO) japan
> Most recently Wright brothers invented replica glider hanged on top
> ceiling in NGO.
> With the name of WILBA and ORVIL Approach Final FIX points, brothers
> maybe delightful.
>
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Cottrell" <lcottrel@kfalls.net>
----- Original Message -----
From: <HShack@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: VG's Again
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: HShack@aol.com
>
> In a message dated 10/5/2005 7:55:20 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> lcottrel@kfalls.net writes:
> Just got back recently form our annual unofficial fly-in at the Alvord
> Desert. Weather for the most part was good although we did have a day of
> rain that
> translated to snow on the top of the Mountain.( 10,000 ft) Roger Hankins
> had
> given me 10 VG's made from Lexan and I wanted to try them on the false
> ribs
> this time. The originals were put on the ribs (14 of them). My original
> stall was
> at 46 mph and with the original installation it lowered the stall to 36
> mph
> solo and 46 double. OK this time remembering Mr. Pikes missive I decided
> to
> install the new ones with the back even with the front of the old ones.
> (Original
> placement was 11 inches back from the leading edge measured over the
> curve)
> On testing I found that the stall was further reduced to 32 MPH solo and
> 36
> with a 160 lb passenger. Joa, from "Land Shorter" (sells VG's and tundra
> tires)
> was at the fly-in and I asked where he recommended placing the VG;s and
> he
> said that they placed them at the CG of the wing. Being!
> very satisfied with the results I did no further testing, just did a lot
> of
> flying.
>
> Larry, Oregon
>
>
> I hope that all you guys who are installing way more than 7 [pairs] of
> VG's
> per wing will be very careful in approaching your new, low stall speed.
> The
> recovery from the new lower stall may be very different from the previous
> stall
> with only 7 VG's.
>
> My FS II's original stall speed [sans VG's] was 42 mph with a nice smooth
> recovery- nose just drops a little & she starts flying again.
>
> After installing the 7 VG's of my own design on each main rib of both
> wings,
> stall dropped to 36 mph with the same smooth recovery.
>
> Great!! If 7 is great, then 20- something should be fantastic!! I added
> a
> VG at every false rib at the same distance back. Stall was now only 32
> mph,
> but now, when she did stall, everything quit flying & the plane just
> fell!! It
> dropped a wing & acted like it wanted to spin. Scared me............
>
> If I had been within 50 ft. AGL when she stalled I would have been in
> trouble. I quickly removed the VG's from the false ribs; the 4 mph
> lowering of stall
> was not worth it to me.
>
>
> Howard Shackleford
> FS II
> SC
>
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Cottrell" <lcottrel@kfalls.net>
>
> I hope that all you guys who are installing way more than 7 [pairs] of
> VG's
> per wing will be very careful in approaching your new, low stall speed.
> The
> recovery from the new lower stall may be very different from the previous
> stall
> with only 7 VG's.
> Great!! If 7 is great, then 20- something should be fantastic!! I added
> a
> VG at every false rib at the same distance back. Stall was now only 32
> mph,
> but now, when she did stall, everything quit flying & the plane just
> fell!! It
> dropped a wing & acted like it wanted to spin. Scared me............
Howard and gang
Not sure what happened to your plane, but mine had no such tendency at
all. In fact the stall was even more docile. The nose just dropped a bit and
when I stopped pulling back on the stick began flying immediately. Actually
it seemed even more docile than it had been without the addition. There was
no tendency to drop either wing, just straight forward. One difference
between the two planes is that my additions to the false ribs were set
forward of the other ones on the full ribs. ?????? Could that make a
difference?
Larry, Oregon
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| Subject: | Re: What and Where the word " Tailfeather" |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: sada <phoenix@ja2.so-net.ne.jp>
Larry Bourne -san and other members.
Very thanks quick reply.
Really deeply understood, it was so meaning.
My flying hobby starts from rubber boat with a propeller.
It's a Trike type and flying the same sea area before constructed NGO
airport.
And that, next interested 3 control axis plane.
Built and Bolt and Covering pusher type like a Flighystar with ROTAX462.
After about 80h, my hanger attacked concentrated heavy rain,
Hanger suffered from flood cause of broken dyke.
Now I have no plane. lonely.
From former , I have enchanted wasteless? cool Kolb style
which has not other plane.
I now have a dream to have a nice plane again.
But covering is big wall for me.
It is hard to get a sealing iron and Sumbeam iron except Internet.
more over liquid material too.
Anyway, thank you, and list members.
On 2005/10/06, at 14:02, Larry Bourne wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
>
> Welcome to the List. Tailfeathers is what we call the assembly of
> horizontal and vertical stabilizers, rudder, and elevators. They're
> on the
> tail of the plane, and if it were a bird, they'd have feathers. How
> long
> have you been working on your plane ?? Which one are you building ??
> I'd
> (and I'm sure many others) would be interested in hearing more about
> yourself, and how you got started building a Kolb. Good Luck.
> Lar. Do not Archive.
>
> Larry Bourne
> Palm Springs, CA
> Building Kolb Mk III
> N78LB Vamoose
> www.gogittum.com
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "sada" <phoenix@ja2.so-net.ne.jp>
> To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Kolb-List: What and Where the word " Tailfeather"
>
>
>> --> Kolb-List message posted by: sada <phoenix@ja2.so-net.ne.jp>
>>
>> Hello sir.
>>
>> I'm now reading the book of covering.
>>
>> Just teach me the word " tailfeather" typed in that book.
>> No listed such word on dictionaries , nor WEB translation english to
>> japanese.
>> So, where it "tailfeather" located(indicated) and what is the similar
>> word in English.
>>
>> I hope any person to reply this enquiry,
>> thanks.
>>
>> sada, near Centrair airport (NGO) japan
>> Most recently Wright brothers invented replica glider hanged on top
>> ceiling in NGO.
>> With the name of WILBA and ORVIL Approach Final FIX points, brothers
>> maybe delightful.
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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