---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 10/11/05: 11 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:38 AM - Re: bridge story (pat ladd) 2. 04:42 AM - Re: bridge story (pat ladd) 3. 04:44 AM - Re: bridge story (pat ladd) 4. 05:44 AM - Bridge story (Edward Steuber) 5. 07:18 AM - Re: Bridge story (Larry Bourne) 6. 08:58 AM - Re: Hanger Update (jerb) 7. 05:10 PM - Trike Crash (Comcast) 8. 05:50 PM - Re: Trike Crash (ULDAD@aol.com) 9. 05:57 PM - Re: Trike Crash (ULDAD@AOL.COM) 10. 06:06 PM - Re: Trike Crash (ray anderson) 11. 06:34 PM - Re: Trike Crash (John Hauck) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:38:39 AM PST US From: "pat ladd" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: bridge story --> Kolb-List message posted by: "pat ladd" Maybe he meant testculos??? , que pasa, amigo? how did we get from Kolb to Cobblers? Pat lightly disguised as C.O.Jones (think about it) do not archive -- ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:42:52 AM PST US From: "pat ladd" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: bridge story --> Kolb-List message posted by: "pat ladd" Why is it acceptable to say "balls" in Spanish but not in English >> Good question and why does one often hear `made a balls up` in normal conversation without a thought being given to its origins. Pat do not archive -- ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:44:13 AM PST US From: "pat ladd" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: bridge story --> Kolb-List message posted by: "pat ladd" Pat, what have we started here ?? >> Hi Lar, if we are tilting at windmills at least you are in the right place. Pat do not archive -- ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:44:01 AM PST US From: "Edward Steuber" Subject: Kolb-List: Bridge story --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Edward Steuber" Naawww ...I thought it was "cuyuna's" cause you guys said you needed big ones if you flew with one... Ed in Western NY do not archive ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:18:22 AM PST US From: "Larry Bourne" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Bridge story --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" Now, There's the best and final answer ! ! ! Do not Archive. Larry Bourne Palm Springs, CA Building Kolb Mk III N78LB Vamoose www.gogittum.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edward Steuber" Subject: Kolb-List: Bridge story > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Edward Steuber" > > > Naawww ...I thought it was "cuyuna's" cause you guys said you needed big > ones if you flew with one... > Ed in Western NY > do not archive > > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:58:44 AM PST US From: jerb Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Hanger Update --> Kolb-List message posted by: jerb At 08:16 AM 9/13/2005, you wrote: >--> Kolb-List message posted by: N27SB@aol.com > >In a message dated 9/13/05 9:52:25 AM Central Daylight Time, >tnfirestar2@yahoo.com writes: > > > My question, mine was bought with no front wall. Leaves the finish up to > > the owner. I want a roll up door, but would like to have one that would > > accommodate the wingspan of a Firestar. What type door did you > install? Do you roll > > out the plane or scoot it sideways on some type of dolly? I have looked at > > several options, vertical and horizontal folding doors, roll up doors... > > interested to know what has worked well for others out there. Do > you have any pics? > > > > Many around here are putting on accordion doors - the panel section has a frame with smoked corrugated fiberglass panels and rides on a top and bottom track. This makes them light and easy to move. They seem to be tough and hold up. jerb ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 05:10:02 PM PST US From: Comcast Subject: Kolb-List: Trike Crash --> Kolb-List message posted by: Comcast *New Information On Ultralight Plane Crash* *Ultralight Plane Crashes in Elmore County* Check All | Clear All *More on the Web* Southern Flyers Ultralight Association U. S. Ultralight Association *News* *more>>* *Dothan police search for alleged robber* *2005 WSFA 12 Hurricane Center* Bad news from John's back yard: Looks like a trike crashed with 2 fatalities. Any news, John? Chuck Firefly 028 Malvern, PA (Raised in AL with family in Montgomery) http://www.wsfa.com/ http://www.wsfa.com/Global/story.asp?S=3965216 In case they update the website, here is a cut / pate of one of the articles: Authorities in Elmore County say two brothers from Autauga County were killed when their ultralight plane crashed Monday evening around dusk just off Mercer Road in the town of Elmore. 52-year-old John Brashears and his brother 49-year-old Paul were identified as the victims. WSFA's Bryan Henry says he's been told one of the two men aboard the aircraft was an "experienced pilot." The plane took off from the Wetumpka Airport shortly after 5 p.m. Monday. It flew for about 2 miles when something went terribly wrong and investigators still don't know why. Jessica Lewis didn't see the plane, but her husband did. According to Mrs. Lewis, her husband said "that they saw it in the air. It flew over. They saw it when it flew over and it was fine. Just a second after that, they heard a wierd noise and looked up and saw the aircraft just falling down, a nose dive, and they actually heard it hit. It sounded like something broke. That's the noise they heard. You just never think...that something is going to happen like this." Light planes fly out of the Wetumpka Airport all the time, sometimes 3-4 times a week. The FAA does not require pilots to pass a written or flight test before taking to the sky in an ultralight. However, most manufacturers and sellers offerand require buyers to undergo aminimum training. > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 05:50:59 PM PST US From: ULDAD@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Trike Crash --> Kolb-List message posted by: ULDAD@aol.com The wreckage has been recovered and the airport manager said that one of the leading edges was broken. Witnesses on the ground reported hearing a loud bang. That would have been the leading edge breaking. That's the same sound we heard when John's Hauck's FireStar went in at Addison. Why it broke, we'll probably never know. I didn't know John very well, had only met him a few of times. But he appeared to be a competent pilot. Appeared to be the typical ultralight pilot, always smiling. The trike was an old one. He had bought it new. Wish I had gotten to know him better. We'd talked about setting my trike up and flying it. He'll be missed by everyone at the airport even if they didn't know him. The fact that he had his brother with him makes it doubly bad. Ya'll be careful. Bill Griffin Montgomery, AL ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 05:57:09 PM PST US From: ULDAD@AOL.COM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Trike Crash --> Kolb-List message posted by: ULDAD@aol.com The trike was an old one. He had bought it new. My bad. Meant to say that it wasn't an old one. Bill ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 06:06:56 PM PST US From: ray anderson Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Trike Crash --> Kolb-List message posted by: ray anderson Another reminder that a BRS is still the one thing that can keep the unforeseen and unexpected from ruining one's day, as well as one's families. < Authorities in Elmore County say two brothers from Autauga County were killed when their ultralight plane crashed Monday evening around dusk just off Mercer Road in the town of Elmore.> Do not archive UltraStar, Tenn. --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 06:34:08 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Trike Crash --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" the unforeseen and unexpected from ruining one's day, as well as one's families. | | < Authorities in Elmore County say two brothers from Autauga County were | killed when their ultralight plane crashed Monday evening around | dusk just off Mercer Road in the town of Elmore.> | | Do not archive | UltraStar, Tenn. Hi Ray/Gang: That is very true, provided one trains themselves to use it when an emergency situation arises. The trike was equipped with a canister type BRS ballistic recovery system. The handle was never pulled. I do not know why the pilot did not activate the BRS. Many times people have died with recovery systems that were never used. One must train themselves to use the recovery system. It has to be more than a mental process. One must got through the process while sitting in the cockpit. Witnesses said the aircraft spun all the way to the ground after the loud bang was heard. Pilot may not have been able to overcome centrifugal force to grasp and pull the deployment handle. No one will ever know. Like Bill G, I met the two brothers that died yesterday, only a short time before we flew to the Kolb Homecoming. Am very sorry they were killed. Would like to have gotten to know them both better. Take care, john h