---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 10/13/05: 20 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:13 PM - Mk2 weight and balance (Charles Blackwell) 2. 01:38 PM - Titan Exhaust System For Sale (John Williamson) 3. 05:01 PM - ELT (Dave & Eve Pelletier) 4. 05:14 PM - Re: ELT (Robert Laird) 5. 05:23 PM - Transceiver advice? (Lanny Fetterman) 6. 05:31 PM - Re: ELT (Larry Bourne) 7. 06:42 PM - Re: Mk2 weight and balance (Eugene Zimmerman) 8. 06:43 PM - Re: BRS (possums) 9. 06:44 PM - Re: ELT (Richard Pike) 10. 06:46 PM - Re: ELT (Robert Noyer) 11. 06:57 PM - fuel sender dificulties (Larry Cottrell) 12. 07:17 PM - [Fw: SFBAPG: Death by peeing] (PENGUIN) 13. 07:26 PM - Firestar Glide ratios with and without power (Vince Nicely) 14. 07:26 PM - Re: ELT (ray anderson) 15. 07:32 PM - Re: ELT (Larry Bourne) 16. 07:58 PM - Re: ELT (Charlie England) 17. 08:17 PM - Re: ELT (ray anderson) 18. 09:03 PM - Re: ELT (Robert Noyer) 19. 09:50 PM - Re: Mk2 weight and balance (woody) 20. 11:06 PM - Second fuel pump 912S (Rick Pearce) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:13:06 PM PST US From: Charles Blackwell Subject: Kolb-List: Mk2 weight and balance --> Kolb-List message posted by: Charles Blackwell Ken, I've got it as: "Enclosed is a sample weight and balance sheet (non existent). This shows how to do the computations. The average wing chord is 64" and the airplane will be safe to fly if the center of gravity of the airplane is between 20% and 40% of the wing chord as measured from the leading edge. Thus 20% = 12.8 inches aft of the leading edge of the wing; 40% = 25.6 inches. Thus the airplane is (sic) balance if the C.G. is between 12.8" and 25.6" from the leading edge of the wing. For reference the mounting tab for the main spar is 18" aft of the leading edge. The most critical loading condition is a very light pilot flying alone with a heavy load of fuel, in which case the C.G. will shift aft. Two heavy people will result in a much further forward C.G." Unfortunately I've misplace my most recent weight and balance information, but the booklet put the empty weight at 320# and gross at 750#. I think I was really at 342# but may be wrong. With 200# pilot and 12 gal. of fuel I was fine. With 400# of people it was still within the range. I figured that my 120# wife could not fly without fuel... Hope your numbers fit. Charlie, MkII in NJ ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 01:38:45 PM PST US From: "John Williamson" Subject: Kolb-List: Titan Exhaust System For Sale --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Williamson" I have replaced the exhaust on the Kolbra and now have a Titan Exhaust System For Sale that fits a Rotax 912 Series engine. Complete information can be found at: http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot1/exhaust.htm The number 3 exhaust pipe was broken but has been repaired to a flyable condition, no other problems with it. John Williamson Arlington, TX Kolb Kolbra, Rotax 912ULS, 959 hours http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot1 kolbrapilot2@comcast.net do not archive ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:01:39 PM PST US From: "Dave & Eve Pelletier" Subject: Kolb-List: ELT --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dave & Eve Pelletier" I'm starting the process of "N" numbering my MK III and I'll need an ELT. I remember reading something about an AK450 but can't find anymore about it or any others. Any suggestions? I want to keep the $$$s as low as possible. AzDave ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:14:38 PM PST US From: Robert Laird Subject: Re: Kolb-List: ELT --> Kolb-List message posted by: Robert Laird Worked well for me. I mean, there's not much to it. The ELT just sits there unless you need it. I got my AK450 from Chief Aircraft. Batteries are "D" cells, so I can't imagine you'd find a less expensive ELT solution. -- Robert On 10/13/05, Dave & Eve Pelletier wrote: > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dave & Eve Pelletier" > > I'm starting the process of "N" numbering my MK III and I'll need an ELT. I remember reading something about an AK450 but can't find anymore about it or any others. Any suggestions? I want to keep the $$$s as low as possible. > > AzDave > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:23:01 PM PST US From: Lanny Fetterman Subject: Kolb-List: Transceiver advice? --> Kolb-List message posted by: Lanny Fetterman Hi All, I`m ready to buy a nav/com radio. I have it narrowed down to an Icom A22 or a King KX99. I checked the archives, however I didn`t find much to help me decide. There was one post that said the King seemed to have less ignition noise then the Icom. Does anyone have any advice for me before I plunk down my money? Thank You in advance, Lanny Fetterman FSII #598 Do not archive ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 05:31:23 PM PST US From: "Larry Bourne" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: ELT --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" Ditto on the batteries - cheap and easy. Aircraft Spruce lists them as well - Ameri-King AK-450. Vamoose has one, too. Lar. Do not Archive. Larry Bourne Palm Springs, CA Building Kolb Mk III N78LB Vamoose www.gogittum.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Laird" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: ELT > --> Kolb-List message posted by: Robert Laird > > Worked well for me. I mean, there's not much to it. The ELT just > sits there unless you need it. I got my AK450 from Chief Aircraft. > Batteries are "D" cells, so I can't imagine you'd find a less > expensive ELT solution. > > -- Robert > > > On 10/13/05, Dave & Eve Pelletier wrote: >> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dave & Eve Pelletier" >> >> >> I'm starting the process of "N" numbering my MK III and I'll need an ELT. >> I remember reading something about an AK450 but can't find anymore about >> it or any others. Any suggestions? I want to keep the $$$s as low as >> possible. >> >> AzDave >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:42:39 PM PST US From: Eugene Zimmerman Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Mk2 weight and balance --> Kolb-List message posted by: Eugene Zimmerman >>> I figured that my 120# wife could not fly without fuel... <<< Are you trying to tell us that she is no angel ???????????????????????????? :-) On Oct 13, 2005, at 3:11 PM, Charles Blackwell wrote: > --> Kolb-List message posted by: Charles Blackwell > > > Ken, > > I've got it as: "Enclosed is a sample weight and > balance sheet > (non existent). This shows how to do the computations. The > average wing > chord is 64" and the airplane will be safe to fly if the center of > gravity > of the airplane is between 20% and 40% of the wing chord as > measured from > the leading edge. Thus 20% = 12.8 inches aft of the leading edge > of the > wing; 40% = 25.6 inches. Thus the airplane is (sic) balance if the > C.G. is > between 12.8" and 25.6" from the leading edge of the wing. For > reference > the mounting tab for the main spar is 18" aft of the leading edge. > The most > critical loading condition is a very light pilot flying alone with > a heavy > load of fuel, in which case the C.G. will shift aft. Two heavy > people will > result in a much further forward C.G." > > Unfortunately I've misplace my most recent weight and balance > information, > but the booklet put the empty weight at 320# and gross at 750#. I > think I > was really at 342# but may be wrong. With 200# pilot and 12 gal. > of fuel I > was fine. With 400# of people it was still within the range. I > figured > that my 120# wife could not fly without fuel... Hope your numbers > fit. > > > Charlie, MkII in NJ > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 06:43:58 PM PST US From: possums Subject: Re: Kolb-List: BRS --> Kolb-List message posted by: possums At 07:33 PM 10/12/2005, you wrote: >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Chris Mallory" > >I agree with Ray and John on the importance of practicing the necessary >moves for the ultimate "Worst Case Scenario". Flight training is 10% flying >and 90% what to do in case of everything else, it's why we practice all >those "what if" things for as long as we fly. > >What really puzzles me more than those individuals that for whatever reason, >didn't "Pull the Handle" - snip- I can answer part of that question - Been in that situation several times. I, however, have never "pulled the red handle". Maybe I never should have. Not because I had any time to think about it or "not think about it" I do practice pulling the handle before every takeoff - and I mean "every takeoff".. Here's the problem ...It is amazing even after you have gotten yourself into a situation where you think "I WOULD PULL THE RED HANDLE" - you don't. You don't EVEN REMEMBER YOU HAVE A CHUTE. Things happen so fast, that the next thing you know, you're on the ground, or in the water, or in the trees - your hands are shaking and you think - "I had a chute!" I was going to stall it into the trees and pull the chute - right??? Belive it or not - you most likely will not even remember it's there. Like John H. says - "you got to beat it into your head". ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 06:44:31 PM PST US From: Richard Pike Subject: Re: Kolb-List: ELT --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike Are you on your second set of batteries? Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) At 05:31 PM 10/13/05 -0700, you wrote: >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" > >Ditto on the batteries - cheap and easy. Aircraft Spruce lists them as >well - Ameri-King AK-450. Vamoose has one, too. Lar. >Do not Archive. > >Larry Bourne >Palm Springs, CA >Building Kolb Mk III >N78LB Vamoose >www.gogittum.com > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Robert Laird" >To: >Subject: Re: Kolb-List: ELT > > > > --> Kolb-List message posted by: Robert Laird > > > > Worked well for me. I mean, there's not much to it. The ELT just > > sits there unless you need it. I got my AK450 from Chief Aircraft. > > Batteries are "D" cells, so I can't imagine you'd find a less > > expensive ELT solution. > > > > -- Robert > > > > > > On 10/13/05, Dave & Eve Pelletier wrote: > >> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dave & Eve Pelletier" > >> > >> > >> I'm starting the process of "N" numbering my MK III and I'll need an ELT. > >> I remember reading something about an AK450 but can't find anymore about > >> it or any others. Any suggestions? I want to keep the $$$s as low as > >> possible. > >> > >> AzDave > >> > >> > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 06:46:09 PM PST US From: Robert Noyer Subject: Re: Kolb-List: ELT --> Kolb-List message posted by: Robert Noyer Ck Trade-A-Plane...always have ads fer the Ak, new. Good unit, uses common D-cells. regards, Bob N. ronoy@shentel.net http://www.angelfire.com/rpg/ronoy ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 06:57:26 PM PST US From: "Larry Cottrell" Subject: Kolb-List: fuel sender dificulties --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Cottrell" Hi, I have two 'Westach" fuel guages with the capacitance senders. Recently one of them began to be a little unsure as to how much gas was actually in the tank. I of course attempted to fiddle with it and then the other one went belly up. Seems to work just fine with the motor off but shows full with the engine running. Any guess's or actual knowledge would be appreciated. Larry, Oregon ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 07:17:07 PM PST US From: PENGUIN Subject: Kolb-List: [Fwd: SFBAPG: Death by peeing] --> Kolb-List message posted by: PENGUIN There may be a lesson here for others... Penguin Do Not Archive ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 07:26:36 PM PST US From: "Vince Nicely" Subject: Kolb-List: Firestar Glide ratios with and without power --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Vince Nicely" Hi Gang, The has been some discussion recently about how the Kolb airplanes glide with engine at idle compared to glide with the engine off. Thinking this an interesting subject, I decided to test my Firestar II, 503 DCDI engine with 72" two-blade Ivo prop. The airplane was at a gross weight of about 650 pounds and the glides were at 45-50 mph calibrated airspeed which is about the speed for best best glide ratio. I glided for an altitude loss of 2000 ft and measured the distance traveled by the GPS. What I found is that the glide ratio is 7.8 with the engine off and the prop stopped and the glide ratio is 7.6 with the engine at idle and the prop is turning about 3200 rpm. I only did each test once, so within the accuracy of my measurements, there is no real difference. Comments or your experience are welcome. Vince Nicely Firestar II N8233G with 390 hours ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 07:26:53 PM PST US From: ray anderson Subject: Re: Kolb-List: ELT --> Kolb-List message posted by: ray anderson Dave, If you are licening the MK111 under experimental, you don't have to have an ELT. Do not archive. Dave & Eve Pelletier wrote: --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dave & Eve Pelletier" I'm starting the process of "N" numbering my MK III and I'll need an ELT. I remember reading something about an AK450 but can't find anymore about it or any others. Any suggestions? I want to keep the $$$s as low as possible. AzDave --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 07:32:13 PM PST US From: "Larry Bourne" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: ELT --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" Of course.........and not all that long before the 3rd. :-) There is hope in the air, tho'. Got the Speedi-Sleeve today, on recommendation of the manager of the local Kaman store, and will install it and the new seal on Vamoose' redrive tomorrow or Saturday. Then go for engine start again, and see if this cures that tarnation oil leak. Lar. Do not Archive. Larry Bourne Palm Springs, CA Building Kolb Mk III N78LB Vamoose www.gogittum.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Pike" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: ELT > --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike > > Are you on your second set of batteries? > > Richard Pike > MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 07:58:50 PM PST US From: Charlie England Subject: Re: Kolb-List: ELT --> Kolb-List message posted by: Charlie England Caution: If it has more than 1 seat, it must have an elt after it's signed out of phase 1 testing. Charlie ray anderson wrote: >--> Kolb-List message posted by: ray anderson > >Dave, > If you are licening the MK111 under experimental, you don't have to have an ELT. > >Do not archive. > >Dave & Eve Pelletier wrote: >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dave & Eve Pelletier" > > >I'm starting the process of "N" numbering my MK III and I'll need an ELT. I remember reading something about an AK450 but can't find anymore about it or any others. Any suggestions? I want to keep the $$$s as low as possible. > >AzDave > > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 08:17:01 PM PST US From: ray anderson Subject: Re: Kolb-List: ELT --> Kolb-List message posted by: ray anderson Oops! I think Charlie is correct, about the second seat. All the experimentals I've ever built were single searers so I displayed my ignorance. Not hard for me to do. Anyhow, the AK450 sounds like a good deal. The ELT's I had in my store bought craft used expensive batteries that seemed to cost more than the ELT. Charlie England wrote:--> Kolb-List message posted by: Charlie England Caution: If it has more than 1 seat, it must have an elt after it's signed out of phase 1 testing. Charlie ray anderson wrote: >--> Kolb-List message posted by: ray anderson > >Dave, > If you are licening the MK111 under experimental, you don't have to have an ELT. > >Do not archive. > >Dave & Eve Pelletier wrote: >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dave & Eve Pelletier" > > >I'm starting the process of "N" numbering my MK III and I'll need an ELT. I remember reading something about an AK450 but can't find anymore about it or any others. Any suggestions? I want to keep the $$$s as low as possible. > >AzDave > > --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 09:03:26 PM PST US From: Robert Noyer Subject: Re: Kolb-List: ELT --> Kolb-List message posted by: Robert Noyer I have, in former life, installed quite a few ELTs of various makes, and I can say that the Ak450 is the best bet for GA and ULs. The battery question is paramount, cost-wise. Do not archive regards, Bob N. ronoy@shentel.net http://www.angelfire.com/rpg/ronoy ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 09:50:48 PM PST US From: "woody" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Mk2 weight and balance --> Kolb-List message posted by: "woody" > >>> I figured that my 120# wife could not fly without fuel... <<< > > I can't fly without fuel either. do not archive ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 11:06:12 PM PST US From: "Rick Pearce" Subject: Kolb-List: Second fuel pump 912S --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Rick Pearce" I noticed at the Kolb home coming that most of the Mark 3's were running a electric boast pump. Is it req'd or will the std fuel pump pick up fuel from the tanks behind the seat. I am pulling my fuel off of the top of the tanks with tube that go to the lowest point in the tanks. I think it was Steve I was talking to and he said he only used his on take off and landing.