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1. 07:31 AM - Firefly over Camp David? (Ed Chmielewski)
2. 07:57 AM - Re: Firefly over Camp David? (pat ladd)
3. 08:22 AM - Re: Firefly over Camp David? (Todd Fredricks)
4. 08:35 AM - Re: Firefly over Camp David? (Robert Laird)
5. 08:46 AM - Re: Firefly over Camp David? (Todd Fredricks)
6. 10:23 AM - Re: Firefly over Camp David? (Robert Noyer)
7. 10:26 AM - Re: Firefly over Camp David? (Chris Mallory)
8. 10:29 AM - Re: Firefly over Camp David? (Chris Mallory)
9. 10:59 AM - Re: Firefly over Camp David? aka who is running the country (Robert Noyer)
10. 02:44 PM - Re: Firefly over Camp David? (russ kinne)
11. 05:25 PM - Reklaw Fly-in (ULDAD@aol.com)
12. 05:33 PM - Re: Reklaw Fly-in (John Williamson)
13. 06:15 PM - Re: Reklaw Fly-in (ULDAD@AOL.COM)
14. 07:26 PM - Re: Reklaw Fly-in (ghaley@wt.net)
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| Subject: | Firefly over Camp David? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ed Chmielewski" <edchmiel@mindspring.com>
Hi All,
Has anyone heard about a Firefly violating Camp David's airspace this weekend?
Courtesy of Aero-News.net:
Another Day, Another Plane Escorted To The Airport
"Unaware" Pilot Blunders Into Camp David Airspace Sunday
It's getting to be a familiar
refrain -- unaware pilot bumbles into a flight-restricted area and
is escorted by well-armed fighters to a landing at a nearby
airport. This time, the restricted airspace was over Camp David,
where the president was spending the weekend and the plane was a
Firefly (we're not sure of the exact type or manufacturer) and the
pilot... well, the Secret Service isn't releasing his name.
"We interviewed the pilot and he was unaware that he had
wandered into restricted airspace," Secret Service spokesman Eric
Zahren told the Frederick News-Post after the Firefly was escorted
out of the exclusion zone. It landed without (further) incident at
Frederick Municipal Airport, MD -- home of the AOPA.
The unnamed pilot wasn't charged in connection with the
incident. The aircraft is registered to Gregory Curtis of Raleigh,
NC. A woman answering the phone at that address told the News-Post
Curtis didn't own the aircraft and refused to give reporters her
name. End of conversation.
P-40, the restricted airspace over Camp David, changes when the
president decides to take the weekend off at the executive retreat.
When he's not there, it's 12,500 feet tall and has a radius of
three miles. When he is there, it's 18,000 feet high and five miles
around. Since 9/11 (presumably when people really started keeping
score on P-40), the Camp David restricted zone has been violated
167 times, according to the News-Post.
FMI: www.faa.gov
For the WHOLE story, go to http://www.aero-news.net/news/genav.cfm?ContentBlockIDafad4f74-cb6b-49ec-bd88-71e6daefdc01
Ed in JXN
MkII/503
Do not archive.
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| Subject: | Re: Firefly over Camp David? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "pat ladd" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
We interviewed the pilot and he was unaware that he had
wandered into restricted airspace," Secret Service spokesman Eric
Zahren told the Frederick News-Post >>
Hi,
At least there was some sort of risk, he might have been carrying an atom
bomb.
Makes a change from the Defence of the Homeland people arresting 75 year old
Vietnam vets in wheel chairs.
Cheers
Pat
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| Subject: | Re: Firefly over Camp David? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Todd Fredricks <flyingfox@copper.net>
I would add that unless you feel compelled to start equipping your Kolb's
with GPS's or VORs, P-40 is actually somewhat difficult to find (that is
until you see the F-16s zooming in front of you or in the Kolb's case,
likely a heavily armed Blackhawk). It sits in nowhere Maryland in the woods
and it is surrounded by...WOODS...
Perhaps the solution is to apply sanity, eliminate ADIZs and TFRs and all
that mishmash, knowing full well that Criminals don't honor boundaries
anyway and simply start using some basic security (It worked for my unit in
Iraq...) common sense like requiring aircraft to just be on flight plans and
in two way radio communication if they fly within 50 miles of the White
House. Period. No ADIZs no TFRs no wackiness.
Did anyone ever stop and do this math;
Someone steals a Citation 7 (happened just last week)
They fill it full of various odds and ends, nasty stuff, perhaps a couple of
KGs of high grade fissile material. They file a flight plan to Harrisburg PA
and take on full fuel. They then file from Harrisburg to Dulles.
Okay, basic math here, while on the ILS, looking very respectable and at the
marker they go to full throttle, clean up and head for downtown DC. It is
between 6-12 minutes of flight time to get there. What do you think the odds
of a clean intercept are on that when the airplane is 200-300 feet AGL and
doing 350 knots?
So forgive me for being the cynic but as a veteran and someone who is
charged with helping to protect this country, I get really riled when we
move heaven and earth to intercept an ultralight and do nothing to increase
security. Mr Mark II ought to have had a handheld GPS with updated TFRs and
should have been talking to someone if he was going to be near P-40, but he
wasn't a bumblehead. He was just a guy out enjoying the day and in the end
the taxpayers spent either $3000/hr on the Blackhawk or twice that on the
F-16 to get him and again, we know the White House is proof against
everything up to a Cessna 150 because it has been tested in real life
against such a threat.
Does anyone else see this train of thought?
Todd
DO NOT ARCHIVE
On 10/18/05 10:30 AM, "Ed Chmielewski" <edchmiel@mindspring.com> wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ed Chmielewski" <edchmiel@mindspring.com>
>
> Hi All,
> Has anyone heard about a Firefly violating Camp David's airspace this
> weekend?
>
> Courtesy of Aero-News.net:
>
>
> Another Day, Another Plane Escorted To The Airport
> "Unaware" Pilot Blunders Into Camp David Airspace Sunday
>
> It's getting to be a familiar
> refrain -- unaware pilot bumbles into a flight-restricted area and
> is escorted by well-armed fighters to a landing at a nearby
> airport. This time, the restricted airspace was over Camp David,
> where the president was spending the weekend and the plane was a
> Firefly (we're not sure of the exact type or manufacturer) and the
> pilot... well, the Secret Service isn't releasing his name.
>
> "We interviewed the pilot and he was unaware that he had
> wandered into restricted airspace," Secret Service spokesman Eric
> Zahren told the Frederick News-Post after the Firefly was escorted
> out of the exclusion zone. It landed without (further) incident at
> Frederick Municipal Airport, MD -- home of the AOPA.
>
> The unnamed pilot wasn't charged in connection with the
> incident. The aircraft is registered to Gregory Curtis of Raleigh,
> NC. A woman answering the phone at that address told the News-Post
> Curtis didn't own the aircraft and refused to give reporters her
> name. End of conversation.
>
> P-40, the restricted airspace over Camp David, changes when the
> president decides to take the weekend off at the executive retreat.
> When he's not there, it's 12,500 feet tall and has a radius of
> three miles. When he is there, it's 18,000 feet high and five miles
> around. Since 9/11 (presumably when people really started keeping
> score on P-40), the Camp David restricted zone has been violated
> 167 times, according to the News-Post.
> FMI: www.faa.gov
>
> For the WHOLE story, go to
> http://www.aero-news.net/news/genav.cfm?ContentBlockIDafad4f74-cb6b-49ec-bd88-
> 71e6daefdc01
>
> Ed in JXN
> MkII/503
>
> Do not archive.
>
>
>
>
>
>
--
Todd Fredricks, DO
Flying Fox Services
Visit my Blog at www.flyingfoxhangar.blogspot.com
POWERED BY MAC
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| Subject: | Re: Firefly over Camp David? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Robert Laird <rlaird@cavediver.com>
This is obvious to everyone except the the dunderheads in D.C. who
worry more about their rear-ends than about anything else, including
applying a modicum of intelligence to the simplest of problems. I
mean, if they can't do THIS math, then how are they supposed to run a
country? Well, obviously, they can't and don't.
-- R
On 10/18/05, Todd Fredricks <flyingfox@copper.net> wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Todd Fredricks <flyingfox@copper.net>
>
> I would add that unless you feel compelled to start equipping your Kolb's
> with GPS's or VORs, P-40 is actually somewhat difficult to find (that is
> until you see the F-16s zooming in front of you or in the Kolb's case,
> likely a heavily armed Blackhawk). It sits in nowhere Maryland in the woods
> and it is surrounded by...WOODS...
>
> Perhaps the solution is to apply sanity, eliminate ADIZs and TFRs and all
> that mishmash, knowing full well that Criminals don't honor boundaries
> anyway and simply start using some basic security (It worked for my unit in
> Iraq...) common sense like requiring aircraft to just be on flight plans and
> in two way radio communication if they fly within 50 miles of the White
> House. Period. No ADIZs no TFRs no wackiness.
>
> Did anyone ever stop and do this math;
>
> Someone steals a Citation 7 (happened just last week)
> They fill it full of various odds and ends, nasty stuff, perhaps a couple of
> KGs of high grade fissile material. They file a flight plan to Harrisburg PA
> and take on full fuel. They then file from Harrisburg to Dulles.
>
> Okay, basic math here, while on the ILS, looking very respectable and at the
> marker they go to full throttle, clean up and head for downtown DC. It is
> between 6-12 minutes of flight time to get there. What do you think the odds
> of a clean intercept are on that when the airplane is 200-300 feet AGL and
> doing 350 knots?
>
> So forgive me for being the cynic but as a veteran and someone who is
> charged with helping to protect this country, I get really riled when we
> move heaven and earth to intercept an ultralight and do nothing to increase
> security. Mr Mark II ought to have had a handheld GPS with updated TFRs and
> should have been talking to someone if he was going to be near P-40, but he
> wasn't a bumblehead. He was just a guy out enjoying the day and in the end
> the taxpayers spent either $3000/hr on the Blackhawk or twice that on the
> F-16 to get him and again, we know the White House is proof against
> everything up to a Cessna 150 because it has been tested in real life
> against such a threat.
>
> Does anyone else see this train of thought?
>
> Todd
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
> On 10/18/05 10:30 AM, "Ed Chmielewski" <edchmiel@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
> > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ed Chmielewski" <edchmiel@mindspring.com>
> >
> > Hi All,
> > Has anyone heard about a Firefly violating Camp David's airspace this
> > weekend?
> >
> > Courtesy of Aero-News.net:
> >
> >
> > Another Day, Another Plane Escorted To The Airport
> > "Unaware" Pilot Blunders Into Camp David Airspace Sunday
> >
> > It's getting to be a familiar
> > refrain -- unaware pilot bumbles into a flight-restricted area and
> > is escorted by well-armed fighters to a landing at a nearby
> > airport. This time, the restricted airspace was over Camp David,
> > where the president was spending the weekend and the plane was a
> > Firefly (we're not sure of the exact type or manufacturer) and the
> > pilot... well, the Secret Service isn't releasing his name.
> >
> > "We interviewed the pilot and he was unaware that he had
> > wandered into restricted airspace," Secret Service spokesman Eric
> > Zahren told the Frederick News-Post after the Firefly was escorted
> > out of the exclusion zone. It landed without (further) incident at
> > Frederick Municipal Airport, MD -- home of the AOPA.
> >
> > The unnamed pilot wasn't charged in connection with the
> > incident. The aircraft is registered to Gregory Curtis of Raleigh,
> > NC. A woman answering the phone at that address told the News-Post
> > Curtis didn't own the aircraft and refused to give reporters her
> > name. End of conversation.
> >
> > P-40, the restricted airspace over Camp David, changes when the
> > president decides to take the weekend off at the executive retreat.
> > When he's not there, it's 12,500 feet tall and has a radius of
> > three miles. When he is there, it's 18,000 feet high and five miles
> > around. Since 9/11 (presumably when people really started keeping
> > score on P-40), the Camp David restricted zone has been violated
> > 167 times, according to the News-Post.
> > FMI: www.faa.gov
> >
> > For the WHOLE story, go to
> > http://www.aero-news.net/news/genav.cfm?ContentBlockIDafad4f74-cb6b-49ec-bd88-
> > 71e6daefdc01
> >
> > Ed in JXN
> > MkII/503
> >
> > Do not archive.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
> Todd Fredricks, DO
> Flying Fox Services
>
> Visit my Blog at www.flyingfoxhangar.blogspot.com
>
> POWERED BY MAC
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Firefly over Camp David? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Todd Fredricks <flyingfox@copper.net>
You do start to wonder after a while don't you?
Todd
DO NOT ARCHIVE
On 10/18/05 11:34 AM, "Robert Laird" <rlaird@cavediver.com> wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Robert Laird <rlaird@cavediver.com>
>
> This is obvious to everyone except the the dunderheads in D.C. who
> worry more about their rear-ends than about anything else, including
> applying a modicum of intelligence to the simplest of problems. I
> mean, if they can't do THIS math, then how are they supposed to run a
> country? Well, obviously, they can't and don't.
>
> -- R
>
>
> On 10/18/05, Todd Fredricks <flyingfox@copper.net> wrote:
>> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Todd Fredricks <flyingfox@copper.net>
>>
>> I would add that unless you feel compelled to start equipping your Kolb's
>> with GPS's or VORs, P-40 is actually somewhat difficult to find (that is
>> until you see the F-16s zooming in front of you or in the Kolb's case,
>> likely a heavily armed Blackhawk). It sits in nowhere Maryland in the woods
>> and it is surrounded by...WOODS...
>>
>> Perhaps the solution is to apply sanity, eliminate ADIZs and TFRs and all
>> that mishmash, knowing full well that Criminals don't honor boundaries
>> anyway and simply start using some basic security (It worked for my unit in
>> Iraq...) common sense like requiring aircraft to just be on flight plans and
>> in two way radio communication if they fly within 50 miles of the White
>> House. Period. No ADIZs no TFRs no wackiness.
>>
>> Did anyone ever stop and do this math;
>>
>> Someone steals a Citation 7 (happened just last week)
>> They fill it full of various odds and ends, nasty stuff, perhaps a couple of
>> KGs of high grade fissile material. They file a flight plan to Harrisburg PA
>> and take on full fuel. They then file from Harrisburg to Dulles.
>>
>> Okay, basic math here, while on the ILS, looking very respectable and at the
>> marker they go to full throttle, clean up and head for downtown DC. It is
>> between 6-12 minutes of flight time to get there. What do you think the odds
>> of a clean intercept are on that when the airplane is 200-300 feet AGL and
>> doing 350 knots?
>>
>> So forgive me for being the cynic but as a veteran and someone who is
>> charged with helping to protect this country, I get really riled when we
>> move heaven and earth to intercept an ultralight and do nothing to increase
>> security. Mr Mark II ought to have had a handheld GPS with updated TFRs and
>> should have been talking to someone if he was going to be near P-40, but he
>> wasn't a bumblehead. He was just a guy out enjoying the day and in the end
>> the taxpayers spent either $3000/hr on the Blackhawk or twice that on the
>> F-16 to get him and again, we know the White House is proof against
>> everything up to a Cessna 150 because it has been tested in real life
>> against such a threat.
>>
>> Does anyone else see this train of thought?
>>
>> Todd
>>
>> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>>
>>
>> On 10/18/05 10:30 AM, "Ed Chmielewski" <edchmiel@mindspring.com> wrote:
>>
>>> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ed Chmielewski" <edchmiel@mindspring.com>
>>>
>>> Hi All,
>>> Has anyone heard about a Firefly violating Camp David's airspace this
>>> weekend?
>>>
>>> Courtesy of Aero-News.net:
>>>
>>>
>>> Another Day, Another Plane Escorted To The Airport
>>> "Unaware" Pilot Blunders Into Camp David Airspace Sunday
>>>
>>> It's getting to be a familiar
>>> refrain -- unaware pilot bumbles into a flight-restricted area and
>>> is escorted by well-armed fighters to a landing at a nearby
>>> airport. This time, the restricted airspace was over Camp David,
>>> where the president was spending the weekend and the plane was a
>>> Firefly (we're not sure of the exact type or manufacturer) and the
>>> pilot... well, the Secret Service isn't releasing his name.
>>>
>>> "We interviewed the pilot and he was unaware that he had
>>> wandered into restricted airspace," Secret Service spokesman Eric
>>> Zahren told the Frederick News-Post after the Firefly was escorted
>>> out of the exclusion zone. It landed without (further) incident at
>>> Frederick Municipal Airport, MD -- home of the AOPA.
>>>
>>> The unnamed pilot wasn't charged in connection with the
>>> incident. The aircraft is registered to Gregory Curtis of Raleigh,
>>> NC. A woman answering the phone at that address told the News-Post
>>> Curtis didn't own the aircraft and refused to give reporters her
>>> name. End of conversation.
>>>
>>> P-40, the restricted airspace over Camp David, changes when the
>>> president decides to take the weekend off at the executive retreat.
>>> When he's not there, it's 12,500 feet tall and has a radius of
>>> three miles. When he is there, it's 18,000 feet high and five miles
>>> around. Since 9/11 (presumably when people really started keeping
>>> score on P-40), the Camp David restricted zone has been violated
>>> 167 times, according to the News-Post.
>>> FMI: www.faa.gov
>>>
>>> For the WHOLE story, go to
>>> http://www.aero-news.net/news/genav.cfm?ContentBlockIDafad4f74-cb6b-49ec-bd8
>>> 8-
>>> 71e6daefdc01
>>>
>>> Ed in JXN
>>> MkII/503
>>>
>>> Do not archive.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> --
>> Todd Fredricks, DO
>> Flying Fox Services
>>
>> Visit my Blog at www.flyingfoxhangar.blogspot.com
>>
>> POWERED BY MAC
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
--
Todd Fredricks, DO
Flying Fox Services
Visit my Blog at www.flyingfoxhangar.blogspot.com
POWERED BY MAC
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| Subject: | Re: Firefly over Camp David? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Robert Noyer <ronoy@shentel.net>
Hey! My FireFly is safely hangared at Winchester VA, close to Bush's
Black Hole. And as of yesterday afternoon, it had zero fuel and had
been that way fer a week. I'll ask her this afternoon when she gets
her semiannual wash job prior to EAA Fly-In this weekend.
regards,
Bob N. FF #70 EAA003RN
ronoy@shentel.net
http://www.angelfire.com/rpg/ronoy
do not archive....or tell the Fat Boys Institute where I'm hiding!
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| Subject: | Re: Firefly over Camp David? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Chris Mallory" <wcm@tampabay.rr.com>
Todd,
I think that about covers it.
Chris Mallory
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Todd Fredricks" <flyingfox@copper.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Firefly over Camp David?
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Todd Fredricks <flyingfox@copper.net>
>
> I would add that unless you feel compelled to start equipping your Kolb's
> with GPS's or VORs, P-40 is actually somewhat difficult to find (that is
> until you see the F-16s zooming in front of you or in the Kolb's case,
> likely a heavily armed Blackhawk). It sits in nowhere Maryland in the
> woods
> and it is surrounded by...WOODS...
>
> Perhaps the solution is to apply sanity, eliminate ADIZs and TFRs and all
> that mishmash, knowing full well that Criminals don't honor boundaries
> anyway and simply start using some basic security (It worked for my unit
> in
> Iraq...) common sense like requiring aircraft to just be on flight plans
> and
> in two way radio communication if they fly within 50 miles of the White
> House. Period. No ADIZs no TFRs no wackiness.
>
> Did anyone ever stop and do this math;
>
> Someone steals a Citation 7 (happened just last week)
> They fill it full of various odds and ends, nasty stuff, perhaps a couple
> of
> KGs of high grade fissile material. They file a flight plan to Harrisburg
> PA
> and take on full fuel. They then file from Harrisburg to Dulles.
>
> Okay, basic math here, while on the ILS, looking very respectable and at
> the
> marker they go to full throttle, clean up and head for downtown DC. It is
> between 6-12 minutes of flight time to get there. What do you think the
> odds
> of a clean intercept are on that when the airplane is 200-300 feet AGL and
> doing 350 knots?
>
> So forgive me for being the cynic but as a veteran and someone who is
> charged with helping to protect this country, I get really riled when we
> move heaven and earth to intercept an ultralight and do nothing to
> increase
> security. Mr Mark II ought to have had a handheld GPS with updated TFRs
> and
> should have been talking to someone if he was going to be near P-40, but
> he
> wasn't a bumblehead. He was just a guy out enjoying the day and in the end
> the taxpayers spent either $3000/hr on the Blackhawk or twice that on the
> F-16 to get him and again, we know the White House is proof against
> everything up to a Cessna 150 because it has been tested in real life
> against such a threat.
>
> Does anyone else see this train of thought?
>
> Todd
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
> On 10/18/05 10:30 AM, "Ed Chmielewski" <edchmiel@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
>> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ed Chmielewski"
>> <edchmiel@mindspring.com>
>>
>> Hi All,
>> Has anyone heard about a Firefly violating Camp David's airspace this
>> weekend?
>>
>> Courtesy of Aero-News.net:
>>
>>
>> Another Day, Another Plane Escorted To The Airport
>> "Unaware" Pilot Blunders Into Camp David Airspace Sunday
>>
>> It's getting to be a familiar
>> refrain -- unaware pilot bumbles into a flight-restricted area and
>> is escorted by well-armed fighters to a landing at a nearby
>> airport. This time, the restricted airspace was over Camp David,
>> where the president was spending the weekend and the plane was a
>> Firefly (we're not sure of the exact type or manufacturer) and the
>> pilot... well, the Secret Service isn't releasing his name.
>>
>> "We interviewed the pilot and he was unaware that he had
>> wandered into restricted airspace," Secret Service spokesman Eric
>> Zahren told the Frederick News-Post after the Firefly was escorted
>> out of the exclusion zone. It landed without (further) incident at
>> Frederick Municipal Airport, MD -- home of the AOPA.
>>
>> The unnamed pilot wasn't charged in connection with the
>> incident. The aircraft is registered to Gregory Curtis of Raleigh,
>> NC. A woman answering the phone at that address told the News-Post
>> Curtis didn't own the aircraft and refused to give reporters her
>> name. End of conversation.
>>
>> P-40, the restricted airspace over Camp David, changes when the
>> president decides to take the weekend off at the executive retreat.
>> When he's not there, it's 12,500 feet tall and has a radius of
>> three miles. When he is there, it's 18,000 feet high and five miles
>> around. Since 9/11 (presumably when people really started keeping
>> score on P-40), the Camp David restricted zone has been violated
>> 167 times, according to the News-Post.
>> FMI: www.faa.gov
>>
>> For the WHOLE story, go to
>> http://www.aero-news.net/news/genav.cfm?ContentBlockIDafad4f74-cb6b-49ec-bd88-
>> 71e6daefdc01
>>
>> Ed in JXN
>> MkII/503
>>
>> Do not archive.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> --
> Todd Fredricks, DO
> Flying Fox Services
>
> Visit my Blog at www.flyingfoxhangar.blogspot.com
>
> POWERED BY MAC
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Firefly over Camp David? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Chris Mallory" <wcm@tampabay.rr.com>
Wait just a minute ......... are you trying to say that someone is running
this country?
When did that happen?
Chris
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Laird" <rlaird@cavediver.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Firefly over Camp David?
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Robert Laird <rlaird@cavediver.com>
>
> This is obvious to everyone except the the dunderheads in D.C. who
> worry more about their rear-ends than about anything else, including
> applying a modicum of intelligence to the simplest of problems. I
> mean, if they can't do THIS math, then how are they supposed to run a
> country? Well, obviously, they can't and don't.
>
> -- R
>
>
> On 10/18/05, Todd Fredricks <flyingfox@copper.net> wrote:
>> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Todd Fredricks <flyingfox@copper.net>
>>
>> I would add that unless you feel compelled to start equipping your Kolb's
>> with GPS's or VORs, P-40 is actually somewhat difficult to find (that is
>> until you see the F-16s zooming in front of you or in the Kolb's case,
>> likely a heavily armed Blackhawk). It sits in nowhere Maryland in the
>> woods
>> and it is surrounded by...WOODS...
>>
>> Perhaps the solution is to apply sanity, eliminate ADIZs and TFRs and all
>> that mishmash, knowing full well that Criminals don't honor boundaries
>> anyway and simply start using some basic security (It worked for my unit
>> in
>> Iraq...) common sense like requiring aircraft to just be on flight plans
>> and
>> in two way radio communication if they fly within 50 miles of the White
>> House. Period. No ADIZs no TFRs no wackiness.
>>
>> Did anyone ever stop and do this math;
>>
>> Someone steals a Citation 7 (happened just last week)
>> They fill it full of various odds and ends, nasty stuff, perhaps a couple
>> of
>> KGs of high grade fissile material. They file a flight plan to Harrisburg
>> PA
>> and take on full fuel. They then file from Harrisburg to Dulles.
>>
>> Okay, basic math here, while on the ILS, looking very respectable and at
>> the
>> marker they go to full throttle, clean up and head for downtown DC. It is
>> between 6-12 minutes of flight time to get there. What do you think the
>> odds
>> of a clean intercept are on that when the airplane is 200-300 feet AGL
>> and
>> doing 350 knots?
>>
>> So forgive me for being the cynic but as a veteran and someone who is
>> charged with helping to protect this country, I get really riled when we
>> move heaven and earth to intercept an ultralight and do nothing to
>> increase
>> security. Mr Mark II ought to have had a handheld GPS with updated TFRs
>> and
>> should have been talking to someone if he was going to be near P-40, but
>> he
>> wasn't a bumblehead. He was just a guy out enjoying the day and in the
>> end
>> the taxpayers spent either $3000/hr on the Blackhawk or twice that on the
>> F-16 to get him and again, we know the White House is proof against
>> everything up to a Cessna 150 because it has been tested in real life
>> against such a threat.
>>
>> Does anyone else see this train of thought?
>>
>> Todd
>>
>> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>>
>>
>> On 10/18/05 10:30 AM, "Ed Chmielewski" <edchmiel@mindspring.com> wrote:
>>
>> > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ed Chmielewski"
>> > <edchmiel@mindspring.com>
>> >
>> > Hi All,
>> > Has anyone heard about a Firefly violating Camp David's airspace
>> > this
>> > weekend?
>> >
>> > Courtesy of Aero-News.net:
>> >
>> >
>> > Another Day, Another Plane Escorted To The Airport
>> > "Unaware" Pilot Blunders Into Camp David Airspace Sunday
>> >
>> > It's getting to be a familiar
>> > refrain -- unaware pilot bumbles into a flight-restricted area and
>> > is escorted by well-armed fighters to a landing at a nearby
>> > airport. This time, the restricted airspace was over Camp David,
>> > where the president was spending the weekend and the plane was a
>> > Firefly (we're not sure of the exact type or manufacturer) and the
>> > pilot... well, the Secret Service isn't releasing his name.
>> >
>> > "We interviewed the pilot and he was unaware that he had
>> > wandered into restricted airspace," Secret Service spokesman Eric
>> > Zahren told the Frederick News-Post after the Firefly was escorted
>> > out of the exclusion zone. It landed without (further) incident at
>> > Frederick Municipal Airport, MD -- home of the AOPA.
>> >
>> > The unnamed pilot wasn't charged in connection with the
>> > incident. The aircraft is registered to Gregory Curtis of Raleigh,
>> > NC. A woman answering the phone at that address told the News-Post
>> > Curtis didn't own the aircraft and refused to give reporters her
>> > name. End of conversation.
>> >
>> > P-40, the restricted airspace over Camp David, changes when the
>> > president decides to take the weekend off at the executive retreat.
>> > When he's not there, it's 12,500 feet tall and has a radius of
>> > three miles. When he is there, it's 18,000 feet high and five miles
>> > around. Since 9/11 (presumably when people really started keeping
>> > score on P-40), the Camp David restricted zone has been violated
>> > 167 times, according to the News-Post.
>> > FMI: www.faa.gov
>> >
>> > For the WHOLE story, go to
>> > http://www.aero-news.net/news/genav.cfm?ContentBlockIDafad4f74-cb6b-49ec-bd88-
>> > 71e6daefdc01
>> >
>> > Ed in JXN
>> > MkII/503
>> >
>> > Do not archive.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>> --
>> Todd Fredricks, DO
>> Flying Fox Services
>>
>> Visit my Blog at www.flyingfoxhangar.blogspot.com
>>
>> POWERED BY MAC
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Firefly over Camp David? aka who is running the country |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Robert Noyer <ronoy@shentel.net>
Chris...you misspelled a word...It's who is ruining the country. I
know how hard it is to hit the "i" when you should hit the "n."
regards,
Bob N.
ronoy@shentel.net
http://www.angelfire.com/rpg/ronoy
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| Subject: | Re: Firefly over Camp David? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: russ kinne <kinnepix@earthlink.net>
Being a sneaky old greybeard, I can spot another SOG a mile off. We
won't tell anyone, but it must have been great fun for you & your
Firefly. If I could find the place I'd do it too.
Semiannual wash? -- you're spoiling her. Annually is plenty --
Russ
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On Oct 18, 2005, at 1:21 PM, Robert Noyer wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Robert Noyer <ronoy@shentel.net>
>
> Hey! My FireFly is safely hangared at Winchester VA, close to Bush's
> Black Hole. And as of yesterday afternoon, it had zero fuel and had
> been that way fer a week. I'll ask her this afternoon when she gets
> her semiannual wash job prior to EAA Fly-In this weekend.
> regards,
> Bob N. FF #70 EAA003RN
> ronoy@shentel.net
> http://www.angelfire.com/rpg/ronoy
>
> do not archive....or tell the Fat Boys Institute where I'm hiding!
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: ULDAD@aol.com
Anyone going to the Reklaw fly-in this weekend? This will be my first time
going. Not flying Kolb or Corben though. Taking RV-8. Weather is looking great.
Bill Griffin
Montgomery, AL
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Williamson" <kolbrapilot2@comcast.net>
Hi Bill and all,
We have two flying to Reklaw on Friday afternoon from Arlington, TX and one
from Houston.
Should be a great weekend in East Texas.
John Williamson
Arlington, TX
Kolb Kolbra, Rotax 912ULS, 965 hours
http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot1
kolbrapilot2@comcast.net
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| Subject: | Re: Reklaw Fly-in |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: ULDAD@aol.com
Hi John,
Great! Glad you're coming. We're leaving Elmore Friday morning. Ought to get
there sometime mid-afternoon. The plan is to stop in Monroe, LA for gas and
then on in to Reklaw. Sounds like a great fly-in. Talked to John H. about
going, but no go. Maybe you can get him to change his mind.
Bill Griffin
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| Subject: | Re: Reklaw Fly-in |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: ghaley@wt.net
Bill,
I am going on friday, looking forward to seeing you. I am building a 7, but am
flying the Kolb to Reklaw. John Williamson will be there also.
Gary Haley, Cypress, TX
Kolb Mark IIIc/912ULS
Quoting ULDAD@aol.com:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: ULDAD@aol.com
>
> Anyone going to the Reklaw fly-in this weekend? This will be my first time
> going. Not flying Kolb or Corben though. Taking RV-8. Weather is looking
> great.
>
> Bill Griffin
> Montgomery, AL
>
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