---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 10/22/05: 16 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:37 AM - propstrike. (pat ladd) 2. 06:00 AM - How's the Weather... (Mike Pierzina) 3. 06:12 AM - Re: propstrike. (Richard & Martha Neilsen) 4. 06:32 AM - Re: propstrike. (robert bean) 5. 06:37 AM - Re: propstrike. (Ed Chmielewski) 6. 08:22 AM - Re: How's the Weather... (Ralph) 7. 08:59 AM - Firestar II - Preflight Checklist (Mike Pierzina) 8. 09:15 AM - Re: How's the Weather... (Richard & Martha Neilsen) 9. 09:19 AM - Minnesotian / Not (Mike Pierzina) 10. 12:32 PM - Re: propstrike. aka chicken cannon (Robert Noyer) 11. 03:12 PM - New Mk lll is Born (Cat36Fly@AOL.COM) 12. 04:40 PM - Airworthiness (Mike Pierzina) 13. 04:46 PM - Ronnies... (Paul Petty) 14. 06:55 PM - Aileron Travel (Mike Pierzina) 15. 07:34 PM - spat? (Robert Noyer) 16. 10:48 PM - Re: New Mk lll is Born (Denny Rowe) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:37:33 AM PST US From: "pat ladd" Subject: Kolb-List: propstrike. --> Kolb-List message posted by: "pat ladd" << The blade was intact after getting hit with a softball sized ice ball on its leading edge:>> Hi, This report on the Rocket list reminded me of the time when the US was doing its best to protect its own turf by denigrating the Concorde in any it could. The Concorde team had reported that they had tested the engines for birdstrikes by throwing chickens into the engine intakes. The US said that they had conducted the same tests and had smashed up the engines. It was a while before the penny dropped and it was gently pointed out that they should not have been using FROZEN chickens. Cheers Pat do not archive ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:00:54 AM PST US From: Mike Pierzina Subject: Kolb-List: How's the Weather... --> Kolb-List message posted by: Mike Pierzina Hey Big Lar / Guys, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hard to picture the weather you and Mike are talking about. The long, hot summer is finally over - I think - and temps are in the 80's during the day. Sure is nice. Oh, man, is it nice. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>. At 7:00 this morning I looked at the outside thermometer and it read 30 degrees..... It wouldn't be raining.......it would be snowing..... But it's not to cold for things other than an Open Cockpit.... Your not going to see many motorcycles either.... Hey Big Lar , at 80 degrees.....all you have to do is climb to 25,000 ft to see how cold it is here... The WALL of Winter aproaches.........BRrrrrrr. Gotta Fly... Mike in MN Do not archive My Web Site: http://www.geocities.com/planecrazzzy/Planecrazzzy.html Sometimes you just have to take the leap and build your wings on the way down... --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:12:41 AM PST US From: "Richard & Martha Neilsen" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: propstrike. --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard & Martha Neilsen" Pat It is interesting how these stories get twisted. The way the story goes on this side of the pond is: When the British were testing the concord they borrowed the bird launching cannon from the US to test the windshield. When fired at the wind shield it not only went thru the wind shield but thru the bulkhead at the back of the cockpit. The US pointed out that bird should be thawed before the test. do not archive Rick Neilsen Redrive VW powered MKIIIc ----- Original Message ----- From: "pat ladd" Subject: Kolb-List: propstrike. > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "pat ladd" > > << The blade was intact after > getting hit with a softball sized ice ball on its leading edge:>> > > Hi, > This report on the Rocket list reminded me of the time when the US was > doing its best to protect its own turf by denigrating the Concorde in any > it could. > The Concorde team had reported that they had tested the engines for > birdstrikes by throwing chickens into the engine intakes. The US said that > they had conducted the same tests and had smashed up the engines. > > It was a while before the penny dropped and it was gently pointed out that > they should not have been using FROZEN chickens. > > Cheers > > Pat > > do not archive > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:32:57 AM PST US From: robert bean Subject: Re: Kolb-List: propstrike. --> Kolb-List message posted by: robert bean I, for one, felt embarrassed at the time by the pinheads in our govt bureaucracy who were giving concord a hard time. A simple case of dog-in-the-manger, techno jealousy. -BB do not archive On 22, Oct 2005, at 9:05 AM, Richard & Martha Neilsen wrote: > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard & Martha Neilsen" > > > Pat > > It is interesting how these stories get twisted. The way the story > goes on > this side of the pond is: > > When the British were testing the concord they borrowed the bird > launching > cannon from the US to test the windshield. When fired at the wind > shield it > not only went thru the wind shield but thru the bulkhead at the back > of the > cockpit. The US pointed out that bird should be thawed before the test. > > do not archive > > Rick Neilsen > Redrive VW powered MKIIIc > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "pat ladd" > To: > Subject: Kolb-List: propstrike. > > >> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "pat ladd" >> >> << The blade was intact after >> getting hit with a softball sized ice ball on its leading edge:>> >> >> Hi, >> This report on the Rocket list reminded me of the time when the US was >> doing its best to protect its own turf by denigrating the Concorde in >> any >> it could. >> The Concorde team had reported that they had tested the engines for >> birdstrikes by throwing chickens into the engine intakes. The US said >> that >> they had conducted the same tests and had smashed up the engines. >> >> It was a while before the penny dropped and it was gently pointed out >> that >> they should not have been using FROZEN chickens. >> >> Cheers >> >> Pat >> >> do not archive >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:37:34 AM PST US From: "Ed Chmielewski" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: propstrike. --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ed Chmielewski" And this is Kolb-related how...? Nice try, Pat, but this is a piece of urban legend from way back. Why would the U.S. be testing an engine they weren't using? Our 'rooster boosters', as they're called, have been used in certification for decades and have yielded much useful info. Try not to get drawn into those conspiracy chat rooms. Do not archive. Ed in JXN MkII/503 ----- Original Message ----- From: "pat ladd" Subject: Kolb-List: propstrike. > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "pat ladd" > > << The blade was intact after > getting hit with a softball sized ice ball on its leading edge:>> > > Hi, > This report on the Rocket list reminded me of the time when the US was > doing its best to protect its own turf by denigrating the Concorde in any > it could. > The Concorde team had reported that they had tested the engines for > birdstrikes by throwing chickens into the engine intakes. The US said that > they had conducted the same tests and had smashed up the engines. > > It was a while before the penny dropped and it was gently pointed out that > they should not have been using FROZEN chickens. > > Cheers > > Pat > > do not archive > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:22:22 AM PST US From: "Ralph" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: How's the Weather... --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ralph" Hey Mike, what kind of Minnesotan are you? It's 43 now and it's going to warm to 46 with light winds. Your wings are built (so you don't have to build them on the way down), and you gotta fly, so all you have to do is dress up. Wait until the lakes freeze up. That's when the real flying begins, and you want to put that new plane away for the winter? Remember, we have our annual club fly-in on Cooks Bay of Lake Minnetonka Saturday Feb 11th, 2006. See you there .... do not archive Ralph (a true Minnesotan who flies in the winter :) gotta fly ...... -- Mike Pierzina wrote: --> Kolb-List message posted by: Mike Pierzina Hey Big Lar / Guys, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hard to picture the weather you and Mike are talking about. The long, hot summer is finally over - I think - and temps are in the 80's during the day. Sure is nice. Oh, man, is it nice. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>. At 7:00 this morning I looked at the outside thermometer and it read 30 degrees..... It wouldn't be raining.......it would be snowing..... But it's not to cold for things other than an Open Cockpit.... Your not going to see many motorcycles either.... Hey Big Lar , at 80 degrees.....all you have to do is climb to 25,000 ft to see how cold it is here... The WALL of Winter aproaches.........BRrrrrrr. Gotta Fly... Mike in MN Do not archive My Web Site: http://www.geocities.com/planecrazzzy/Planecrazzzy.html Sometimes you just have to take the leap and build your wings on the way down... --------------------------------- Try Juno Platinum for Free! Then, only $9.95/month! Visit http://www.juno.com/value to sign up today! ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:59:44 AM PST US From: Mike Pierzina Subject: Kolb-List: Firestar II - Preflight Checklist --> Kolb-List message posted by: Mike Pierzina Hey Guys, I just finished typing up my Checklist from the notes that I took last weekend.... If it can help you......Good , If you see somthing I should add......Let me know. Here it is : Firestar II - Preflight Checklist Pitot tube - extended / clear Static Port - clear Lift Strut (lower)- pinned / safety clip Wheel - brakes / nut & cotter pin / axle bolts Lift Strut (top)- pinned / safety clip Leading Edge - check for dents Wing Tip - aileron counter weight secure Aileron - hinge pins/cotter pins Aileron Control Rod - Pinned / safety clip / bottom bolt & nut Gap Seal - secured Wing Swivels - Bolts / nuts / cotter pins Wing "Main" Pins - pinned / safety clip Exhaust - muffler bolts / springs / safety wire Prop - secure / nicks / spinner / leading edge tape Tailboom - main bolt / nut / check for dents Horizontal Stabilizer - front bolt / nut / cotter pin Guide Wires - good tension Elevator Hinges - pins / cotter pins / bolt / nut Elevator Control Cables - clevis's / bolts / nuts / cotter pins Rudder Control Cables - clevis's / bolts / nuts / cotter pins Rudder Hinges - pins / cotter pins Tailwheel - springs / bolts /nuts / cotter pin Guide Wire - bolt / castle nut / safety clip Elevator Hinges - pins / cotter pins / bolt / nut Guide Wires - good tension Horizontal Stabilizer - front bolt / nut / cotter pin Tailboom - main bolt / nut / check for dents Aileron Control Rod - Pinned / safety clip / bottom bolt & nut Gap Seal - secured Fuel Pump - fuel lines / pulse line / secured Spark Plug Wires - secured Carburetors - secure / filters secure / safety wire / fuel lines Oil Injection - tank/ pump/ site guage / cap secured / safety wire Throttle Cables - secured Lord Mounts - bolts/ nuts / mounting plate Aileron - hinge pins/cotter pins Wing Tip - aileron counter weight secure Leading Edge - check for dents Lift Strut (top)- pinned / safety clip Lift Strut (lower)- pinned / safety clip Wheel - brakes / nut & cotter pin / axle bolts Fuel Tanks - FULL / squeeze bulb/ valve open / velcro cover secured Gotta Fly... Mike in MN / FSII - N381PM My Web Site: http://www.geocities.com/planecrazzzy/Planecrazzzy.html Sometimes you just have to take the leap and build your wings on the way down... --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:15:08 AM PST US From: "Richard & Martha Neilsen" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: How's the Weather... --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard & Martha Neilsen" I live in Michigan and the weather just got nice around here. Now I did plan ahead and made my MKIIIc fully enclosed but don't they have jackets in Minnesota? In the days that I flew a Weedhopper and sat fully exposed behind the prop I would bundle up in a snowmobile suit and fly it on skis all winter. Now that I'm a old fart I spend part of the winter in Florida It also seems like there are many in the south that fly and even work on their airplanes when it gets warm. Maybe planes with animal names like Bulwinkle or what ever it is, get extra hot. poking fun do not archive Rick Neilsen Redrive VW powered MKIIIc ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ralph" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: How's the Weather... > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ralph" > > Hey Mike, what kind of Minnesotan are you? It's 43 now and it's going to > warm to 46 with light winds. Your wings are built (so you don't have to > build them on the way down), and you gotta fly, so all you have to do is > dress up. > > Wait until the lakes freeze up. That's when the real flying begins, and > you want to put that new plane away for the winter? Remember, we have our > annual club fly-in on Cooks Bay of Lake Minnetonka Saturday Feb 11th, > 2006. See you there .... > > do not archive > > Ralph > (a true Minnesotan who flies in the winter :) > gotta fly ...... ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:19:49 AM PST US From: Mike Pierzina Subject: Kolb-List: Minnesotian / Not --> Kolb-List message posted by: Mike Pierzina Hey Ralph, You got the wrong guy......I'm being held "Hostage" here in MN.....I'm a California boy ( Born in Oakland - "Go Raiders" ) I know that after winter has frozen my butt off for a few months.....30 degrees seems warm...... As far as Trailering my plane ANYWHERE during winter.....forget it , I don't want to get Salt & Sand all over it and in it. I don't have a enclosed trailer , I have to get rid of my Powered Parachute & Trailer before I consider getting one.....I don't have room for two trailers... Like I said....Stanton has Pipers to "rent" during Winter, That'll keep me sharp. Gotta Fly... Mike in MN ( Hostage ) Do not archive My Web Site: http://www.geocities.com/planecrazzzy/Planecrazzzy.html Sometimes you just have to take the leap and build your wings on the way down... --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 12:32:21 PM PST US From: Robert Noyer Subject: Re: Kolb-List: propstrike. aka chicken cannon --> Kolb-List message posted by: Robert Noyer This "thing" has been around since 1972, and has a smattering of truth, although the objects hit by the bird, as well as the cannoneers vary. .. See: http://www.snopes.com/science/cannon/htm Snopes is a great urban legend debunker source...should be bookmarked and used before widely disseminating urban legends. regards, Bob N. ronoy@shentel.net http://www.angelfire.com/rpg/ronoy do not archive ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 03:12:40 PM PST US From: Cat36Fly@AOL.COM Subject: Kolb-List: New Mk lll is Born --> Kolb-List message posted by: Cat36Fly@aol.com N615RT received her "Experimental" airworthiness certificate today. As soon as the weather here in Delaware gets half decent she will try out her wings. ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 04:40:27 PM PST US From: Mike Pierzina Subject: Kolb-List: Airworthiness --> Kolb-List message posted by: Mike Pierzina Hey , way ta go Lary ... Blue sky's and Calm winds are headed your way ! Gotta Fly... Mike in MN Do not archive My Web Site: http://www.geocities.com/planecrazzzy/Planecrazzzy.html Sometimes you just have to take the leap and build your wings on the way down... --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 04:46:53 PM PST US From: "Paul Petty" Subject: Kolb-List: Ronnies... required 4.6, BAYES_44 -0.00, HTML_MESSAGE 0.25) --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" Hey Kolbers, Just got home from Ronnie's Smith's annual October fly in. Present were John Hauck, James Tripp and Ted Cowan. Great day! John Cooley was at work but spoke with his wife via telephone. Thanks to James Tripp for letting little Charley sit in your Kolb... He talked about it all the way home. Attendance was down from last year but Kolb aircraft were out in force and looking good! Ted's wife provided little Charley with a chocolate chip cookie that made his day as well. Be sure and thank her for that Ted. One can't sit around a few of the likes of John Hawk or Michael Highsmith for very long without learning something so I thought I may pass this note along from the Kolb camp. Michael Highsmith brought up an interesting point concerning the EIS that many of us use or are planning to use. And I noticed a post of this topic on today's list of e-mail traffic. Michael (great guy) said "We have had in our club alone 7 engine outs (can't remember the time frame) and not one was detected by the EIS in terms of EGT" Please don't quote me on that but you get the jest as to why I paid attention. He further explained why. The EIS lags the actual readings of the EGT's by 30 seconds to 1 minute. He also added that the problem is not the EIS unit it's self but the probes that send the EIS this info. Interesting? I think so. John Hawk added (In true "Hawk" fashion) "you can add all the bells and whistles you want to.. I like my gauges..." Old geezer HA gotta love that guy! My question is this... If this is true can it be fixed? Is there better probes or sensors out there? BTW all 7 were two cycle rotax engines. Also the talk of 2 cycle engines being taken off the market for any type of motor sports (for sale that is) by 2008. Hmmm is Rotax going to step up to the plate an offer a 2 cyl four cycle engine in the 60-70 hp range? Anyway just wanted to report in and say hi... back to the shop to work on MS Dixie gang.. Take Care... ps... http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/PA190002.JPG Paul Petty Building Ms. Dixie Kolbra/912UL/Warp do not archive ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 06:55:43 PM PST US From: Mike Pierzina Subject: Kolb-List: Aileron Travel --> Kolb-List message posted by: Mike Pierzina Hey Guys, I had "shortened" the travel on my aileron control horn.....mostly because I've heard people on the "list" did it to "lighten" the controls...... Sometimes , while I was flying in winds 5-10 , I would have to correct a gust with "FULL" right or left..... My controls feel "Light enough" that I moved the aileron rod "Back" to the "stock" position on the control horn. After I moved it my "Wing Fold Bracket" had to be changed ( just the Top part ).....I know there's been a few people interested in this area......So , here's some pictures of the New Transport Bracket.... http://www.wingsforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=3002 The top bracket keeps the wings from hitting the aircraft.....the bottom bracket keeps the wings from flopping outward while transporting it on my open trailer.... Gotta Fly... Mike in MN My Web Site: http://www.geocities.com/planecrazzzy/Planecrazzzy.html Sometimes you just have to take the leap and build your wings on the way down... --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 07:34:07 PM PST US From: Robert Noyer Subject: Kolb-List: spat? --> Kolb-List message posted by: Robert Noyer In a clip from Flying Tales... the following is noted: In 1933 it was proposed to have an Amateur pilots license, about midway between Student and Private. Sound familiar? An ad for Bader Field (Atlantic City) touted the Hotel Chelsea at $28/wk including meals. Not quite the same, except the hotel is gone as well as the prices. Cowl flaps were the latest thing in 1934. regards, Bob N. ronoy@shentel.net http://www.angelfire.com/rpg/ronoy do not arhive ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 10:48:53 PM PST US From: "Denny Rowe" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: New Mk lll is Born --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Denny Rowe" Congrats, keep us posted! ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Kolb-List: New Mk lll is Born > --> Kolb-List message posted by: Cat36Fly@aol.com > > N615RT received her "Experimental" airworthiness certificate today. As > soon > as the weather here in Delaware gets half decent she will try out her > wings. > > > -- > >