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1. 03:00 AM - Re: New Mk lll is Born (Jim Ballenger)
2. 04:24 AM - Re: propstrike. (pat ladd)
3. 04:59 AM - Re: New Mk lll is Born (pat ladd)
4. 05:29 AM - Re: New Mk lll is Born (robert bean)
5. 06:40 AM - Re: Ronnies... (Kolbdriver)
6. 07:51 AM - EIS (Paul Petty)
7. 09:21 AM - Re: Ronnies... (WillUribe@aol.com)
8. 10:59 AM - 2nd Flight Pictures (Mike Pierzina)
9. 01:26 PM - Re: propstrike. aka Concorde (Robert Noyer)
10. 03:52 PM - EIS delay? Formerly Ronnies (John Jung)
11. 04:28 PM - Smiling Weather Gods (Cat36Fly@aol.com)
12. 06:04 PM - Re: EIS delay? Formerly Ronnies (Robert Noyer)
13. 08:46 PM - [ Eugene Zimmerman ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! (Email List Photo Shares)
14. 09:22 PM - [ Mike Pierzina ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! (Email List Photo Shares)
15. 09:50 PM - Storm (Larry Bourne)
16. 09:50 PM - Re: EIS (Denny Rowe)
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| Subject: | Re: New Mk lll is Born |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jim Ballenger" <ulpilot@cavtel.net>
Great. Let us know how she flies.
Jim Ballenger
MK III X 582
Virginia Beach, VA
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From: <Cat36Fly@aol.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: New Mk lll is Born
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Cat36Fly@aol.com
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> N615RT received her "Experimental" airworthiness certificate today. As
> soon
> as the weather here in Delaware gets half decent she will try out her
> wings.
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "pat ladd" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
The way the story goes on this side of the pond is:>>
Hi,
very interesting, Not surprisingly I hadn`t heard that version. I think
your story is better.
I was lucky enough to have flown on Concorde twice, once to Eygpt (for the
day) and once to the US. That second bulkhead the chicken went through must
be the one with the mach meter on it.
On my flight a cheer went up as we clocked Mach 1 but there was a great
burst of applause as we we clocked Mach 2.
I made sure that I was under the flight path when Concorde flew back into
Bristol, where she was born, on her last flight. A tear jerking moment
believe me. She was so beautiful it brought a catch to the throat just to
see her fly over.
Cheers
Pat
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| Subject: | Re: New Mk lll is Born |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "pat ladd" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
N615RT received her "Experimental" airworthiness certificate today. As
soon
as the weather here in Delaware gets half decent she will try out her
wings.>>
Hi,
Congratulations and hopes for decent weather.
I hope to get the Permission to Test Certificate next week. Then, like you
it depends on the weather. A further complication is that preliminary
testing will be done at the dealers field which is `oop North` where not
only is the weather worse but it gets dark earlier than where I live in `the
effete South`.
In Europe ,clocks go back shortly as well so that is another hour clipped
off available flying time.
Cheers
Pat
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| Subject: | Re: New Mk lll is Born |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
Very good. Send some details and a pic to photoshare.
-BB do not archive
On 22, Oct 2005, at 6:12 PM, Cat36Fly@aol.com wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Cat36Fly@aol.com
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> N615RT received her "Experimental" airworthiness certificate today.
> As soon
> as the weather here in Delaware gets half decent she will try out her
> wings.
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kolbdriver" <Kolbdriver@bellsouth.net>
Paul,
I'm not sure what sensors they are using but my EGT certainly does not have
30 - 60 seconds delay. I use EIS and the probes were bought from Grand
Rapids also. When flying at cruise speed and reduce throttle the EGT
reading responds almost immediently. I have experienced one 2 stroke engine
failure that was not detected by EIS either but I wouldn't expect it to
catch a rod bearing failure. EGT is only one indicator.
Steven
> Michael (great guy) said "We have had in our club alone 7 engine outs
(can't remember the time frame) and not one was detected by the EIS in terms
of EGT" Please don't quote me on that but you get the jest as to why I paid
attention.
> He further explained why. The EIS lags the actual readings of the EGT's by
30 seconds to 1 minute. He also added that the problem is not the EIS unit
it's self but the probes that send the EIS this info. Interesting? I think
so. John Hawk added (In true "Hawk" fashion) "you can add all the bells and
whistles you want to.. I like my gauges..." Old geezer HA gotta love that
guy!
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" <Lynnp@c-gate.net>
Thanks Steven,
This may be something worth looking into.
Paul Petty
Building Ms. Dixie
Kolbra/912UL/Warp
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: WillUribe@aol.com
Hi Paul,
I have to say the read outs no my EIS do not lag. Here at our airport, every
one of the pilots who have suffered an engine out were relying on there old
fashion styled steam gauges.
I went with the EIS because I enjoy looking out side so I'm not monitoring
the engine gauges 100% of the time. When the big red light and the numbers on
the EIS start flashing they get my attention right way.
I guess it's a matter of preference what you install on the instrument panel.
Some like the look of a "real airplane instrument panel" so they go with the
old fashion steam gauges. Some pilots like the attention grabbing warning
light of the EIS. It is like buying a Ford or a Chevrolet, your choice.
Regards,
Will Uribe
El Paso, TX
FireStar II N4GU
C-172 N2506U
http://home.elp.rr.com/airplane/
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[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul Petty
Subject: Kolb-List: Ronnies...
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" Lynnp@c-gate.net
Michael (great guy) said "We have had in our club alone 7 engine outs (can't
remember the time frame) and not one was detected by the EIS in terms of EGT"
Please don't quote me on that but you get the jest as to why I paid attention.
He further explained why. The EIS lags the actual readings of the EGT's by 30
seconds to 1 minute. He also added that the problem is not the EIS unit it's
self but the probes that send the EIS this info. Interesting? I think so.
John Hawk added (In true "Hawk" fashion) "you can add all the bells and whistles
you want to.. I like my gauges..." Old geezer HA gotta love that guy!
My question is this... If this is true can it be fixed? Is there better
probes or sensors out there?
BTW all 7 were two cycle rotax engines.
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| Subject: | 2nd Flight Pictures |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Mike Pierzina <planecrazzzy@yahoo.com>
I took them with my old 35 mm camera....My Digital camera is harder to handle....there
not the greatest....
http://frogflyers.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=258#258
Gotta Fly...
Mike in MN
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My Web Site:
http://www.geocities.com/planecrazzzy/Planecrazzzy.html
Sometimes you just have to take the leap and build your wings on the way down...
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| Subject: | Re: propstrike. aka Concorde |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Robert Noyer <ronoy@shentel.net>
In early 70s I was commuting between N. VA and suburban Philly in my
old 172. Always filed IFR to in/out of the BAL/DCA mess. One time BAL
approach warned me that I had traffic at 10 o'clock...make that 11
now...aw, no factor. So I said no joy. He said traffic was way above,
SpeedBird into IAD. So I missed a chance to get chummy with Concorde.
regards,
Bob N.
ronoy@shentel.net
http://www.angelfire.com/rpg/ronoy
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| Subject: | EIS delay? Formerly Ronnies |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Jung <jrjungjr@yahoo.com>
Paul and Group,
I can tell you that my own experience with an EIS does seem very
different that what you reported. If I fly at a steady speed and
attitude, so that the EGT is steady, and then push the stick forward to
unload the prop, the EGT will show the change almost immediately
(within a few seconds). Also, I have not noticed any delay in the red
light coming on. I can watch the EGT's exceed my limit and there is no
noticeable delay.
Maybe Michael would be willing to give us his source of information.
John Jung
Firestar II 503 (Flying with an EIS the last 5 years)
On Oct 22, 2005, at 11:56 PM, Kolb-List Digest Server wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" <Lynnp@c-gate.net>
> Michael Highsmith brought up an interesting point concerning
> the EIS that many of us use or are planning to use. And I noticed a
> post of this
> topic on today's list of e-mail traffic.
> Michael (great guy) said "We have had in our club alone 7 engine outs
> (can't remember
> the time frame) and not one was detected by the EIS in terms of EGT"
> Please
> don't quote me on that but you get the jest as to why I paid attention.
> He further explained why. The EIS lags the actual readings of the
> EGT's by 30 seconds
> to 1 minute. He also added that the problem is not the EIS unit it's
> self
> but the probes that send the EIS this info. Interesting? I think so.
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| Subject: | Smiling Weather Gods |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Cat36Fly@aol.com
Today; Thanks to the weather gods watching over Delaware, Science and
understanding again overcame fear and superstition. Another Extra (615RT) has
taken
wing!!!
She is a bit heavy on the left side, but stalls about 34 mph (clean), climbs
quite briskly and boy what a view. Put .5 hrs on the bird. Now for some fine
tuning.
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| Subject: | Re: EIS delay? Formerly Ronnies |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Robert Noyer <ronoy@shentel.net>
The only delay I might have with my EIS is responding to what I see!
Otherwise I believe it reports as soon as it gets the info.
regards,
Bob N.
ronoy@shentel.net
http://www.angelfire.com/rpg/ronoy
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| Subject: | [ Eugene Zimmerman ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! |
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| Subject: | [ Mike Pierzina ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! |
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Good Luck to all you guys in south and central Florida over the next couple of
days. Looks like you're in for a bit o' a blow. I hope you've all battened down
the hatches. Lar. Do not Archive.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Building Kolb Mk III
N78LB Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Denny Rowe" <rowedl@highstream.net>
Put me down as an EIS advocate, I love mine and also see very rapid
updates of CHTs and EGTs.
Denny Rowe, Mk-3
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